CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 21
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: BJ's 3 week checkup
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
2) Re: Cushings: new addition to the Gallery
by covo0 <covo0@ibm.net>
3) Help
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
4) Re: Help
by "scott" <scott@adams.net>
5) Re: Help
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
6) Cushing's: adrenal tumor induced
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
7) Re: Help
by UltraBill@aol.com
8) Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
by DAOsborn@softart.com
9) Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
10) Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
11) Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
12) archive question
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
13) Sunny
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
14) Re: Cushing's archive question
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
15) Re: Sunny
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
16) Re: Cushing's archive question
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
17) Re: Cushing's archive question
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
18) Debate
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
19) sad news
by kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
20) Re: sad news
by "Jenice Smith" <jsmith@bmi.net>
21) FWD: Cushing's re: Happy, happy day!
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
22) Re: sad news
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
23) Re: sad news
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
24) Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
25) Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
by DAOsborn@softart.com
26) Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
27) Cushing's: lysodren dosages
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
28) ebony
by floyd@zianet.com
29) Re: sad news
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
30) Ivan at the vet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
31) Re: sad news
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
32) Re: Ivan at the vet
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
33) Re: Ivan at the vet
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
34) Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
35) Cushing's: lung problems
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
36) Virtual Flower Bouquet Delivery
by Jackie Randy Sunny and Saphir via the Virtual Florist <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
37) Pet Gallery
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
38) Re: Virtual Flower Bouquet Delivery
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
39) Debate on Lysodren
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
40) Re: Pet Gallery
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
41) Introduction
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
42) Re: Introduction
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
43) Re: Introduction
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
44) Ivan update
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
45) Re: Introduction
by UltraBill@aol.com
46) Re: Debate on Lysodren
by "scott" <scott@adams.net>
47) Re: Ivan update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
48) Re: Ivan update
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
49) Ebony
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
50) Ivan--Kidney function
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
51) Re: Ivan update
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
52) Ivan
by kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
53) Maggie update
by MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
54) Mail
by ShortyFile@aol.com
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:34:30 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BJ's 3 week checkup
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That is wonderful news Lori, we are so pleased for you, it was nice to
come
in on a Monday to something good. Love Jackie, Randy and Sunny.
At 04:57 PM 2/7/98 EST, you wrote:
>Happy Saturday all!
>
>We went to have BJ's (Cushinoid) 3 week checkup with the homeopathic
vet
>today. She was just as excited as I have been with BJ's improvement.
She
>said if she didn't know better, she'd've thought I snuck a different
dog in on
>her! She had planned on doing a CBC this time, but felt she didn't
need to;
>his improvements are clearly visible.
>
>She added one more supplement to his regimen... it's a beta carotene.
>
>I'm really so surprised at the fast improvement in him with homeopathic
>remedies... I really thought it was take *much* longer to notice a difference.
>
>Needless to say, we're happy today!! :>)
>
>Lori and the "goobers"
>
>
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Leslie Lawson wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone-
>
> I've just added a picture of Linda and David's 90+ lb. "baby",
Schonus, to
> the Cushing's Pets Gallery
> http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html>.
> Check him out--he's a real cutie!
>
> As always, fodder for the FAQs and other photos are welcome.
>
> -Leslie
Dear Leslie:
pls be so kind as to get us (covo@ibm.net) off this list. Thx.
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:26:09 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Help
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Please Help Us, We have had the results back from Sunny's ACTH, I do
not
know the actual #'s until I go by the vets tonight, but they said that they
were higher than the last test and that is not a good sign, Sunny does not
seem to be going down at all, as Sunny has not responded at all to Lysodren
since we have had her on it and that has been a year now, they want to try
and give her Anipryl for two months, having read so much over the last few
months from several of you about Anipryl, we just do not know what to do,
the vet told us that some of the side effects would be sickness and diarhea
which we would hate for Sunny to have to go thru, she suggested we try this
drug and if not successful we could then take her to Auburn Vet School where
they have more equipment, but that does not mean they can do anything
different. We just do not know what to do, can anyone give us some advice
by
the end of today. Thanks for listening. Jackie, Randy and Sunny.
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:02:07 -0600
From: "scott" <scott@adams.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Help
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For what it is worth my vet told me that of the 2 drugs Anipryl had the
least side effects and was the "safer' of the 2 choices, however it
costs
much more and is not effective in 20% of the cases it also has no reported
benefit in adrenal based Cushings. Lysodryn is touchier to administer but
has an outstanding track record in Pituitary dependant Cushings when the
dosage is correct. my vet states there are limited benefits demonstrated
to
adrenal based cushings. I'm suprised Sunny is not responding to it. Has
she had a differential test to verify that she has pituitary dependant
cushings, as opposed to adrenal dependant?
best of Luck hope this was help...
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:21:46 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Help
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Jackie:
Have you had an ultra-sound done? That should disclose if there is something
going on with adrenal gland. If so, lysodren, as Scott says, will be of
only
limited effect. We have that problem with Clea, who was diagnosed with
an
adrenal tumor by ultra sound *after* we had tried to use anipryl for nearly
two
months. Leaving aside the expense, the difficulty we had in obtaining enough
of the drug and the difficulty in administering up to four enormous capsules
daily, anipryl was almost totally ineffective. Incidentally the number
for
which the drug fails to work is 40% not 20%, but it is not supposed to have
any
side effects and is helpful for older dogs (by increasing dopamine in the
brain). We think that this enormous dosage did do some harm, and, in any
event, Clea suffered a kidney infection and went into renal failure shortly
after the sonagram.
We stabilized her and did try to administer Lysodren after the adrenal
tumor diagnosis, but that seemed to do more harm than good. So, after about
a
month of attempts, we just stopped giving any treatment for the Cushings.
Clea
is, after all, 16 years, and now, 5 months later, is still carrying on,
although she gets progressively weaker.
The only really effective treatment for an adrenal tumor is surgical
removal. Often, diagnosis comes too late, and the dog is too weak to undergo
surgery, although we were told that it is tricky but not difficult. We
had one
dog that underwent the surgery, but the dog was too weak to recover. So,
we
decided not to put Clea through it.
Later, we did test the level of ACTH in her system, and this test (performed
only at Michigan State University) seemed to show that Clea has *both*
pituitary dependent *and* adrenal Cushings. That might be, in part, a function
of age. Sometimes, it may be better not to press these drugs on the dog
and
let her live out her lifespan even with the Cushings. For a younger dog,
that's not a good option. We feel for you, believe us. And hope you can
work
out an effective treatment.--Tom and Maria--and Clea, who is a survivor.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
E-mail us at trw@virginia.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:18:28 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's: adrenal tumor induced
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Thanks, Tom and Maria, for giving us an update on precious Clea. I think
about her often. She and the rest of your family are truly survivors.
Y'all have been through much more with your pets than any one family should
ever have to bear!
Jackie and others: there is a test that is used to determine the location
of the tumor. In our case, that test was inconclusive so Melissa had an
ultrasound done. We were hoping for there to be an adrenal tumor because,
apparently, once that tumor is removed the Cushing's is gone--no Lysodren
or Anipryl needed!
Despite Melissa's complete lack of appetite, weakness, and need for regular
rehydration, the specialists didn't think she'd have any trouble undergoing
the surgery if it were deemed necessary. The strongest warning they gave
us was that the blood of Cushinoid dogs tends to clot very easily and there
was a greater than average risk that she'd throw a blood clot to her lungs
or brain. Turns out that the ultrasound didn't reveal an adrenal tumor
but
rather an unrelated and unidentifiable something-or-other in her liver
which needed to be removed. As a precaution, the vets tested the clotting
speed of her blood and discussed with us the option of using anticoagulants
during the surgery to keep her blood thin. She came through the surgery
to
remove what turned out to be a benign cyst just fine.
Ironically, my soon-to-be sister-in-law went through a bout with Cushing's
from an adrenal tumor about a year before our little Melissa was diagnosed.
She gained more than 50 lbs. in 2 months, had a moon face and a buffalo
hump...all of the other classic symptoms of Cushing's in humans. Once it
was diagnosed and the adrenal tumor was removed, her symptoms rapidly
disappeared, although she had to stay on hormone therapy for many months.
She is now back down to her normal size and shape.
In summary, it seems that adrenal tumor-induced Cushing's is a whole
different ball game from PDH! Hope some of this long-windedness proves
helpful in the care of your dogs!
Love to all of you and your pups,
-Leslie
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:56:59 EST
From: UltraBill@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Help
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I'd agree completely with Scott on his Anipryl advice. We just finished
3
months on it unsuccessfully for PDH (2 months regular dose & 1 month
double
dose) and started chemo with Lysodren yesterday, but had no side effects,
so
IF I had another cushnoid pet, I'd probably start with Lysodren first, but
go
to Anipryl if the Lysodren didn't help. I'm far more fearful of side effects
with the Lysodren.
trw indicated the failure rate at 40% not 20% for Anipryl. I've loked
at a
lot of data on it and seen nothing but the 20% figure, as long as the
population is limited to pituitary related cushings (PDH), not the adrenal
tumor version. IF one added the roughly 20% of cushnoid dogs that have
the
adrenal version, then you'd get to about the 40% he mentioned, but since
no
one claims it works for the adrenal version, I doubt that was the reason
for
that figure. If there is new data, I'd appreciate knowing the source.
As
recently as last week, Pfizer which now owns the drug rights did not seem
aware of any such info. HOWEVER, the anecdotal evidence beginning to appear
here, although a VERY small sample, is looking like the failure rate is
higher.
Sorry to be sooooo long winded, but obviously the whole subject is extremely
important to all of us or we wouldn't be here.
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:05:28 -0500
From: DAOsborn@softart.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
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Just wanted to throw in my experience...my scottie Kelso was diagnosed
in July and immediately went on Lysodren. At that time, my vet was
not comfortable yet with the new Anipryl. Kelso converted in 6 days
with no side effects. Since then, we do a stim test every 3 months
and have only had to adjust the dosage once. Again, no side effects.
Reading the messages, I feel very lucky.
One question for the group though, has anyone experienced problems
with their Cushing dogs having a more difficult time fighting off
infections? Kelso has had continuing problems with a mouth infection
and the vets blame it on his Cushings.
Doreen and Kelso
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:41:44 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
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Doreen, so glad to hear Kelso is doing so well!
Infections are one of the many side effects of hyperadrenocorticism.
As I
understand it from my vet, gum and urinary tract/bladder infections are
the
most common kinds of Cushing's-related infections.
Melissa lost several teeth during her battle with Cushing's. Unfortunately
for her, it was the least of her troubles.
She also had bouts of pancreatitis that I feel certain were related to
the
excess cortisone her body was producing. In fact, I really believe that
even before she had full-fledged Cushing's that the cortisone her previous
vet was giving her for her allergies was causing minor attacks of
pancreatitis. If you're interested in the cortisone/pancreatitis link,
there's an interesting...uh...'discourse' going on over on
rec.pets.dogs.health
-Leslie
At 02:05 PM 2/10/98 -0500, DAOsborn@softart.com wrote:
> One question for the group though, has anyone experienced problems
> with their Cushing dogs having a more difficult time fighting off
> infections? Kelso has had continuing problems with a mouth infection
> and the vets blame it on his Cushings.
>
> Doreen and Kelso
>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:33:12 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
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Leslie:
We have followed this debate with interest, and quite familiar with the
side
effects of hyperadrenocorticism. When we went away fro lysodren because
of the
side effects it was having on Clea, we mainlined baytril into her for a
while
(6 weeks, if memory serves), and that seemed to prevent infection. But
then we
became concerned that baytril was having a negative effect on Clea's kidney
and
liver problems, which were at the time life threatening. So, we stopped.
There is concern about bacteria in the mouth (placque is caused by bacteria),
and the vet we use now has prescribed a mouth gel which is said to be very
good
at controlling bacteria in the mouth. We have found it very difficult to
apply
(it sticks to any surface, particularly including fingers), but we try.
More
recently, there have been indications of a throat problem, and the crackles
are
increasing. For these symptoms, we have used clavimox (sp?). Clea seems
to
tolerate that well.
Another of our children, Rosti showed signs of being Cushenoid. I raise
this because he has now had a series of urinary tract infections, for which
we
recently did a culture (showing strep). We will try more antibiotics (a
30 day
treatement period), but this can't be good. Actually, we have tested Rosti
every which way to Sunday, and all Cushings tests have been negative. His
SAP
reading (liver function) remains high (1400-1900, or three times normal),
and
the albumin reading is creeping up. Our vet told us about a study done
at
Indiana University (apparently) which showed that interference with liver
function (nothing wrong with the liver) is a precursor for some serious
systemic problem, and Cushings in particular. Anybody know about that study?
We hope that these indications do not materialize into Cushings, but
the
persistent urinary tract infection is giving great concern. And he has
allergies, too--he's a foot chewer. Perhaps, we should add Rosti to the
gallery. Best to all the little ones. Tom and Maria.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
E-mail us at trw@virginia.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:01:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
Cc: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
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Tom,
Would you please explain what you mean by "crackles"? Ebony
has been
"crackling" for awhile now and the vet said it was most likely
"chronic
lung disease."
Thank you!!!
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:04:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: archive question
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One of our vets has asked for the archives to this group. Are they up
to
date right now? I'm at school and can't check and I was emailing so I
thought I'd ask.
*No* criticism implied or meant or even considered if they are not ready
yet. You guys & female people are doing a *great service* all for free
and I appreciate it!
Thanks!
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:08:03 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sunny
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Hello everyone, today has been one of those days back and forth on the
phone, but I have advanced some. Sunny's ACTH results are Pre-ACTH 267
and
Post-ACTH 213, extremely high, we have been talking with Auburn and we are
not putting her on Anipryl but are giving her another loading dose for 6
days and have an appt. with them at 10:00 on Monday 16, there they will
determine what is best for Sunny and will do another ACTH test right away
and we will get the results there and then, they tell me this will be
expensive, but what is money without our babies to love, we will keep you
posted as to what happens when we get back, love to the all the babies,
please pray for sunny, she needs it. Love Jackie, Randy and Sunny + Saphir
(Sunny's cat).
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:24:20 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's archive question
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Kathleen and others-
I'm very proud to say I'm only one week behind on updating the archives!
I'll make a point to update them either later today or early tomorrow.
Look for October 1, 1997 - February 1, 1997 archives at
<http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/digests/digests.html>
So glad your vet is interested in our forum. Please invite him/her to
join
in. Experts adding to the discussion (or correcting erroneous information)
are warmly welcomed!!
-Leslie
At 02:04 PM 2/10/98 -0800, Kathleen Richards wrote:
>One of our vets has asked for the archives to this group. Are they
up to
>date right now?
<snip>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:16:19 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sunny
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As always, Jackie and Randy, y'all are in my thoughts. I know what a
long,
emotionally and financially hard road you're on and I'm so glad you're
comfortable sharing your trials and tribulations and seeking support
through your friends here on the forum.
As for the money you're spending on Sunny's treatment (and all the rest
of
you are spending on your own babies), I can tell you that neither my
husband nor I regret the thousands of dollars we spent on Missy's
treatments. Ultimately, the disease took her from us anyway, but I don't
for one second miss the money or regret having spent it in trying to heal
her.
The only thing I do have some residual regret about is the discomfort
that
seemed to coincide with her treatments. I don't know for sure whether or
not her lack of appetite and lethargy was the result of the treatment or
the disease, but of course I'll always have lingering self-doubt. I do
very much regret having dragged that poor pup back and forth to the vet
repeatedly--no doubt stressful times for her--but in retrospect, I'm not
sure that I'd do anything differently in that regard.
As y'all can probably tell by my verboseness and repeated postings today,
I'm missing my Melissa very much today. My husband has spent a few rough
nights thinking about her lately, too. I guess time makes it possible to
return to normal day-to-day functioning, but it doesn't seem to heal the
hurt completely...
Good luck with Sunny's next loading dose, Jackie, and keep us posted
on the
results.
Love your pups; they're so very precious!
Leslie
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:32:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's archive question
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heh heh ... our vet says he is "afraid" of computers... ummm....
We're working on him....
On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Leslie Lawson wrote:
> Kathleen and others-
>
> I'm very proud to say I'm only one week behind on updating the archives!
> I'll make a point to update them either later today or early tomorrow.
> Look for October 1, 1997 - February 1, 1997 archives at
> <http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/digests/digests.html>
>
> So glad your vet is interested in our forum. Please invite him/her
to join
> in. Experts adding to the discussion (or correcting erroneous information)
> are warmly welcomed!!
>
> -Leslie
>
> At 02:04 PM 2/10/98 -0800, Kathleen Richards wrote:
> >One of our vets has asked for the archives to this group. Are
they up to
> >date right now?
> <snip>
>
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:55:00 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's archive question
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Gee, from my novice perspective it seems that e-mail, newsgroups and
web
browsing are child's play compared to the knowledge, expertise, and skill
it takes to be a vet. Please tell your vet I've issued him a personal
(friendly) challenge ;-)
-Leslie
At 03:32 PM 2/10/98 -0800, Kathleen Richards wrote:
>
>
>heh heh ... our vet says he is "afraid" of computers...
ummm....
>We're working on him....
>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:59:11 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: "Cushing's e-mail" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Debate
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Doreen and Kelso.....
Just finished reading about your "bouts" with infections.
We are having
a TERRIBLE time with infections. My Vet also attributed this to the
Cushing's. It's like if I turn my back....another infection is
starting!! My Schonus was put on Amoxicillin for 10 days and tolerated
it well with the Lysodren.....
Linda & Schonus
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:34:35 -0800 (PST)
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: sad news
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At about 10:40 tonight (Feb. 10) Ebony suffered a major stroke while
sleeping on the pillow next to me. She was obviously seriously ill and
we
rushed her to the emergency vet. He confirmed she had suffered a stroke
she
would likely not be able to recover from and that she would slowly die over
the next few days. She died by injection in my arms tonight. I had her
nearly 18 years according to the vet's charts. I miss her so much already,
only an hour or so later. I guess I am going to bed now. I can't seem
to
stop crying. Only an hour before the stroke she had been eating babyfood
(the other meds had deppressed her appetite for regular dog food) and trying
to climb up to get to the cat's food.
She washed my whole face before she went to sleep. Maybe she knew something
was wrong. I think I'm going to try and sleep now.
--
>--------------------------------------------<
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:03:23 -0800
From: "Jenice Smith" <jsmith@bmi.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: sad news
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I'm so very sorry and believe me, I know what you are feeling right now.
I
lost my beloved poodle on January 13, 1998 and I am still grieve stricken.
There hasn't been a night that I have not cried myself to sleep. I had
my
beloved pet for nearly 15 years and the loss seems almost unbearable at
times. My poodle had cushings and it went into diabetes but she was doing
well right up to the day she died. I know you won't sleep very well
tonight and probably for many many nights and my heart goes out to you,
it's a pain that only those of us that truly love our animals can
understand. I suggest you surround yourself in the days to come with those
that can understand what you are going through. Again, I am so very
sorry.....if only our animals could just live longer....we never have
enough time with them.
You will be in my thoughts my friend,
Jenice
----------
> From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: sad news
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 12:34 AM
>
> At about 10:40 tonight (Feb. 10) Ebony suffered a major stroke while
> sleeping on the pillow next to me. She was obviously seriously ill
and
we
> rushed her to the emergency vet. He confirmed she had suffered a stroke
she
> would likely not be able to recover from and that she would slowly
die
over
> the next few days. She died by injection in my arms tonight. I had
her
> nearly 18 years according to the vet's charts. I miss her so much
already,
> only an hour or so later. I guess I am going to bed now. I can't
seem
to
> stop crying. Only an hour before the stroke she had been eating babyfood
> (the other meds had deppressed her appetite for regular dog food) and
trying
> to climb up to get to the cat's food.
> She washed my whole face before she went to sleep. Maybe she knew
something
> was wrong. I think I'm going to try and sleep now.
> --
> >--------------------------------------------<
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire
straits
> kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or
kilty@tstonramp.com
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:11:24 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: FWD: Cushing's re: Happy, happy day!
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FWD from Lisa and Sioned-
>
>This is probably the first time, other than my introduction, that I've
written,
>but I just had to share the news with people who would understand.
My
Sioned,
>who has been struggling with getting this disease under control, is
finally
>showing improvements!! In fact, her levels are now low enough, we can
go
down
>on the dosage of Lysodren. She even acts happier!
>
>However, she still acts a bit like she has alzheimers. Is this common
with
>this disease? She is going to be 8 and she no longer competes, I've
retired
>her from everything. I just get a littel concerned, because she sometimes
>forgets where she is.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Lisa Hatfield and Sioned
>Dayton, Ohio, USA
>lnusgmac. lmccur01@eds.com
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/6049/
>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:36:23 -0500
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: sad news
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Eighteen years of love and devotion is a wonderful legacy.
I know you will greatly miss Ebony and the grief will come in waves;
but, you did
the right thing in helping her to a peaceful death. Doggies are very intuitive
and they do know! My 11yo Weimaraner knew the minute I had to make the
final
decision as she was suffering from irreversable kidney failure and all efforts
were fruitless--she knew and she went galantly, and she died in my arms
and I
still love her greatly and miss her even more. "There is a time. .
. . . ."
Henry Bliley
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:29:33 -0600
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: sad news
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How sad to hear about Ebony's passing --My tears are flowing too --
God bless
you ---Remember all of the good times -- Ruthann
kathleen richards wrote:
> At about 10:40 tonight (Feb. 10) Ebony suffered a major stroke while
> sleeping on the pillow next to me. She was obviously seriously ill
and we
> rushed her to the emergency vet. He confirmed she had suffered a stroke
she
> would likely not be able to recover from and that she would slowly
die over
> the next few days. She died by injection in my arms tonight. I had
her
> nearly 18 years according to the vet's charts. I miss her so much
already,
> only an hour or so later. I guess I am going to bed now. I can't
seem to
> stop crying. Only an hour before the stroke she had been eating babyfood
> (the other meds had deppressed her appetite for regular dog food) and
trying
> to climb up to get to the cat's food.
> She washed my whole face before she went to sleep. Maybe she knew
something
> was wrong. I think I'm going to try and sleep now.
> --
> >--------------------------------------------<
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire
straits
> kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:38:10 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
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>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
>
>
> How much does your Kelso weigh and what is the dosage of Lysodren
and
> how many days a week do you give it to Kelso? We have recently
been
> told that it is possible for the past year that we were not giving
> Sunny enough! It would seem so since she has not gotten any better.
> We are starting another loading dose today and on Sunday we will
go to
> Auburn University in Alabama for an appointment on Monday morning
to
> recheck her. Hopefully this time we can get her dosage correct
and do
> our poor baby some good. We have been reading the postings, but
I
> (Randy) would like to know more on the dosing schedules your vets
have
> given your babies and of course their weights would help to be
able to
> see the differance in amount given. I was really curious on how
many
> times a week the dosing is given to your babies. Please reply
soonest
> as we will be going to Auburn on Monday morning and the last time
we
> will see our e-mails will be this Friday (13th). Thanks. Randy,
> Jackie and Sunny.
>
> "Always remember: Doubt gets us nowhere real fast."
Randy
>
>
>
>______________________________ Forward Header
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>Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 2/10/98 2:05 PM
>
>
> Just wanted to throw in my experience...my scottie Kelso was diagnosed
> in July and immediately went on Lysodren. At that time, my vet
was
> not comfortable yet with the new Anipryl. Kelso converted in 6
days
> with no side effects. Since then, we do a stim test every 3 months
> and have only had to adjust the dosage once. Again, no side effects.
> Reading the messages, I feel very lucky.
>
> One question for the group though, has anyone experienced problems
> with their Cushing dogs having a more difficult time fighting off
> infections? Kelso has had continuing problems with a mouth infection
> and the vets blame it on his Cushings.
>
> Doreen and Kelso
>
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Jacqueline P. Siniard
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The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:02:49 -0500
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Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
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Kelso weighs about 20-22 pounds. He gets 250 mg Thursday morning,
Thursday night and Saturday night. Once in a great while, I forget
and give 500 mg all at once on Thursday night, because I forgot on
Thursday morning. I ended up putting a big sign on my refrigerator
door to remind me. I either mix his pill in with some canned food
or
wrap it in processed cheese.
His original schedule was only the dose on Thursday, but when I took
him for testing at Purdue, they wanted me to up his dose to include
the Saturday dose. Again, his stim tests have been described as
"perfect" by my vets so I feel VERY lucky to have gotten
the dose
correct so fast.
Hope this helps!!
Doreen
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Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
Author: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu> at Internet
Date: 2/11/98 1:38 PM
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:01:38 -0600
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
>
>
> How much does your Kelso weigh and what is the dosage of Lysodren
and
> how many days a week do you give it to Kelso? We have recently
been
> told that it is possible for the past year that we were not giving
> Sunny enough! It would seem so since she has not gotten any better.
> We are starting another loading dose today and on Sunday we will
go to
> Auburn University in Alabama for an appointment on Monday morning
to
> recheck her. Hopefully this time we can get her dosage correct
and do
> our poor baby some good. We have been reading the postings, but
I
> (Randy) would like to know more on the dosing schedules your vets
have
> given your babies and of course their weights would help to be
able to
> see the differance in amount given. I was really curious on how
many
> times a week the dosing is given to your babies. Please reply
soonest
> as we will be going to Auburn on Monday morning and the last time
we
> will see our e-mails will be this Friday (13th). Thanks. Randy,
> Jackie and Sunny.
>
> "Always remember: Doubt gets us nowhere real fast."
Randy
>
>
>
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>Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 2/10/98 2:05 PM
>
>
> Just wanted to throw in my experience...my scottie Kelso was diagnosed
> in July and immediately went on Lysodren. At that time, my vet
was
> not comfortable yet with the new Anipryl. Kelso converted in 6
days
> with no side effects. Since then, we do a stim test every 3 months
> and have only had to adjust the dosage once. Again, no side effects.
> Reading the messages, I feel very lucky.
>
> One question for the group though, has anyone experienced problems
> with their Cushing dogs having a more difficult time fighting off
> infections? Kelso has had continuing problems with a mouth infection
> and the vets blame it on his Cushings.
>
> Doreen and Kelso
>
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The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:19:28 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
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Doreen, Thanks so much for this info, we will carry it to the vets at
Auburn
on Monday, what breed is your baby, Sunny is a Manchester Chihuahua, maybe
that is the difference, Sunny should weigh between 12-15 lbs but she is
close to 20, we were giving her 3/4 pill every Tuesday and Saturday, I would
give her 1/2 in the morning with food and 1/4 in the eveing with food. Jackie.
At 03:02 PM 2/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
> Kelso weighs about 20-22 pounds. He gets 250 mg Thursday morning,
> Thursday night and Saturday night. Once in a great while, I forget
> and give 500 mg all at once on Thursday night, because I forgot
on
> Thursday morning. I ended up putting a big sign on my refrigerator
> door to remind me. I either mix his pill in with some canned food
or
> wrap it in processed cheese.
>
> His original schedule was only the dose on Thursday, but when I
took
> him for testing at Purdue, they wanted me to up his dose to include
> the Saturday dose. Again, his stim tests have been described as
> "perfect" by my vets so I feel VERY lucky to have gotten
the dose
> correct so fast.
>
> Hope this helps!!
>
> Doreen
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
>Author: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu> at Internet
>Date: 2/11/98 1:38 PM
>
>
>>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:01:38 -0600
>>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>>Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
>>
>>
>> How much does your Kelso weigh and what is the dosage of Lysodren
and
>> how many days a week do you give it to Kelso? We have recently
been
>> told that it is possible for the past year that we were not
giving
>> Sunny enough! It would seem so since she has not gotten any
better.
>> We are starting another loading dose today and on Sunday we
will go to
>> Auburn University in Alabama for an appointment on Monday morning
to
>> recheck her. Hopefully this time we can get her dosage correct
and do
>> our poor baby some good. We have been reading the postings,
but I
>> (Randy) would like to know more on the dosing schedules your
vets have
>> given your babies and of course their weights would help to
be able to
>> see the differance in amount given. I was really curious on
how many
>> times a week the dosing is given to your babies. Please reply
soonest
>> as we will be going to Auburn on Monday morning and the last
time we
>> will see our e-mails will be this Friday (13th). Thanks.
Randy,
>> Jackie and Sunny.
>>
>> "Always remember: Doubt gets us nowhere real fast."
Randy
>>
>>
>>
>>______________________________ Forward Header
>__________________________________
>>Subject: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
>>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>>Date: 2/10/98 2:05 PM
>>
>>
>> Just wanted to throw in my experience...my scottie Kelso was
diagnosed
>> in July and immediately went on Lysodren. At that time, my
vet was
>> not comfortable yet with the new Anipryl. Kelso converted
in 6 days
>> with no side effects. Since then, we do a stim test every
3 months
>> and have only had to adjust the dosage once. Again, no side
effects.
>> Reading the messages, I feel very lucky.
>>
>> One question for the group though, has anyone experienced problems
>> with their Cushing dogs having a more difficult time fighting
off
>> infections? Kelso has had continuing problems with a mouth
infection
>> and the vets blame it on his Cushings.
>>
>> Doreen and Kelso
>>
>>Received: from michp758.redstone.army.mil (136.205.10.78) by
>>ccppo.redstone.army.mil with SMTP
>> (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 0000181E; Tue, 10 Feb
98
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>Jacqueline P. Siniard
>Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
>The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>Materials Science Building Room C206
>Huntsville, Alabama 35899
>ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
>e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
>worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
>
>
>
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:42:07 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's: lysodren dosages
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Melissa's Lysodren dosage was ~167 mg (or is it mcg? whatever 1/3 of
a
human-sized lysodren tablet is) every day during her loading phase and once
a week during her maintenance period. This dosage was slightly more than
the typical recommended dosage for 14 lb. little body. I remember seeing
the recommended dosage per pound in some literature I have at home. I'll
dig it out and post it shortly (with the caveat that we should always put
the guidance of our vets first before any info we read here on this forum!).
In the early days of this forum (the pre-archive days) there was a
discussion about once a week full dosing versus twice a week half dosing.
There seems to be some disagreement in the veterinary community about the
preferred approach. We agreed with the internist treating Missy that she
would have done better with smaller, more frequent doses, but deferred to
the expertise of our regular vet and gave her a full dose once per week.
-Leslie
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:45:56 -0700
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: krichard@acme.csusb.edu
Subject: ebony
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Kathleen:
I know there is no way to even attempt to console you now. All I can
say is that my heart is with you and it is also full of sorrow. I have
been weeping silently off and on all day since I received you e-mail.
Even after almost 15 years, I still miss "Igor". I am crying
a little
for him today also and for that day in the future, hopefully distant,
when we loose Cybil, for I know that it will be unbearably hard again.
We are so blessed by these wonderful babies and they handle their
maladies with such grace and dignity that they are role models for us
all. If only it didn't hurt so much when they leave.
Know that our hearts are with you and the memories really are with the
pain.
I am sure that Ebony is thanking you for all the wonderful times you
gave her. And looking forward to seeing you again in a happier place.
Bob & Patti Floyd
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:19:10 -0800
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: sad news
Message-ID: <0613b5830050c28UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com>
Our hearts go out to you in your loss. Know that you have the comfort
of so
many of us who share your grief and will think of you frequently during
the
difficult coming days.
Eileen and Dave ROBERTS
-----Original Message-----
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 12:39 AM
Subject: sad news
>At about 10:40 tonight (Feb. 10) Ebony suffered a major stroke while
>sleeping on the pillow next to me. She was obviously seriously ill
and we
>rushed her to the emergency vet. He confirmed she had suffered a stroke
she
>would likely not be able to recover from and that she would slowly die
over
>the next few days. She died by injection in my arms tonight. I had
her
>nearly 18 years according to the vet's charts. I miss her so much already,
>only an hour or so later. I guess I am going to bed now. I can't seem
to
>stop crying. Only an hour before the stroke she had been eating babyfood
>(the other meds had deppressed her appetite for regular dog food) and
trying
>to climb up to get to the cat's food.
>She washed my whole face before she went to sleep. Maybe she knew
something
>was wrong. I think I'm going to try and sleep now.
>--
> >--------------------------------------------<
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire
straits
> kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or
kilty@tstonramp.com
>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:15:05 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ivan at the vet
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Ivan spent all of yesterday at the vet, and is there again today. He
has
developed pancreatitis, has elevated liver enzymes and his BUN and potassium
levels are out of whack. He was on an IV all day, came home with an IV
cath
and will likely spend today doing the same. He slept like a little angel
last
night, so I know he didn't get much rest at the vet. We're still hopeful,
but
prepareing ourselves. The vet says he's very strong, alert and cooperative.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:45:30 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: sad news
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Goodbye, Ebony. Your wait at the Bridge will be short, but you will
have many
playmates until then.
It seems that there are far too many of us losing our beloveds in such
a short
period. I pray we are not next.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:58:06 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ivan at the vet
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Oh Dillon I am so sorry to hear this news, we have not started out with
a
good 1998 so far have we, please believe us when we tell you how sorry we
are for you, our prayers go out to you and Ivan, so many tears for such
loved ones. Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir
At 09:15 AM 2/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Ivan spent all of yesterday at the vet, and is there again today. He
has
>developed pancreatitis, has elevated liver enzymes and his BUN and potassium
>levels are out of whack. He was on an IV all day, came home with an
IV cath
>and will likely spend today doing the same. He slept like a little
angel last
>night, so I know he didn't get much rest at the vet. We're still hopeful,
but
>prepareing ourselves. The vet says he's very strong, alert and cooperative.
>
>
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon.pyron@amd.com
>PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
>Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
>
>
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:13:24 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ivan at the vet
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To Dillon and Ivan:
We were very saddened to hear about Ebony and more anxious about Ivan's
condition. Ivan is one of our heros, and must have suffered when his mate
Peter went to rainbow bridge. All of our furry friends are aging and the
Cushings must wear them down. Clea has passed her most recent set of tests
(creatinine is below 1.5 but BUN remains high at 73; SAP for her liver has
crept up gain, too, but she is due for some more Actigal and that will help),
so we avoid the the IV. She has fluids in her lungs, and IV can overload
her
system quite easily. Two days (or more of the same) is not necessarily
a good
thing. We've had to adjust her diet because the manufacturer (having been
bought in a corporate merger) stopped making renalcare, and that may have
put
her off a bit. We're hoping that Ivan is a survivor, too, and we'll be
able to
trade stories for some time to come. Our hearts are with you. Tom and
Maria
(and Clea asked to send a valentine to Ivan).
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
E-mail us at trw@virginia.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:30:33 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Debate on Lysodren and Anipryl
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Ivan weights 35 lbs and gets 500 mg on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and
Friday.
We have one of those 7 day pill cases, which we pack with all his meds
(Cosequin, Rimadyl, Soloxine and Lysodren). It's easy enough to take a
quick
peek and see if he's up to date. Of course, after three years, it's a twice
a
day ritual.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:01:03 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's: lung problems
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In response to Kathleen's question earlier this week about "cracking"
lung
sounds:
Melissa had this problem, too. One of the side effects of Cushing's
is
lung mineralization--basically a build up of calcium in their lungs.
According to our vet, it--like the other side effects--should clear up with
Cushing's treatment.
-Leslie
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:14:16 -0500
From: Jackie Randy Sunny and Saphir via the Virtual Florist <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Virtual Flower Bouquet Delivery
Message-ID: <199802122214.RAA05347@www18.hway.net>
Cushings Pets,
This message is to inform you that Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir has
created a
Virtual Flower Bouquet(tm) for you at the Virtual Florist(sm) web site.
Your Virtual Flower Bouquet can be viewed anytime during the next
two weeks by connecting your World Wide Web browser to the following
URL:
http://www.virtualflorist.com/pickup?LGF720519
If you have difficulty getting to this URL, or do not have access
to a web browser, then send an e-mail to 'help@virtualflorist.com'
and our mail system will send an automated reply with a more detailed
set of instructions.
Enjoy your flowers!
The Virtual Florist
____________________________________________________________________
Please send any replies to: siniardj@email.uah.edu
The originator of this item was logged into IP Address 146.229.21.22
at 17:14 EST.
____________________________________________________________________
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:17:07 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Pet Gallery
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Good afternoon friends, I am having trouble accessing the Picture Gallery,
is there a problem, or am I putting in a wrong digit, please help. Jackie.
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:21:28 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Subject: Re: Virtual Flower Bouquet Delivery
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You are all too sweet. Thank you.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:35:23 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Debate on Lysodren
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Randy, Jackie and Sunny....
When my Schonus was first started on Lysodren, his water intake dropped
drastically within three days. He was on 2,000 mgs. daily during the
"loading phase" as at that time he weighed around 95 pounds.
On the
fourth day we did an ACTH test which showed no change.
We then did another "loading phase" and this time it lasted
for seven
days with Schonus still on 2,000 mgs. daily. When the ACTH test was
performed he was still drinking 1 1/2 gallons of water a day. It was at
this time my Vet said that it looks like we would have to have surgery.
BUT....lo and behold...two days after the ACTH test his water intake
dropped to 3 qts...and the ACTH test came back "kinda" normal.
Who
would have thought!!
When we began the maintenance dose, he was given 2,000 mgs. once a
week. Unfortunately it was too much for him as he started to not eat
and became extremely lethargic. A little prednisone was the cure.
Because of that he is now still on 2,000 mgs weekly but the dosage has
been divided...on Wednesday (1,000 mgs) and then another 1,000 mgs. on
Sunday. We just had a one month ACTH test and are also awaiting the
results.
Just finished reading about Sunny......Schonus and I are "waiting"
with
you! Our hopes and prayers are with you!!
Linda and Schonus
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:47:24 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pet Gallery
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I just checked and the gallery is up and running at
<http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html>.
I'll be adding pictures of BJ, Mandy, and Kurvenal soon!
-Leslie
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:39:14 -0600
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Introduction
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Hi everyone -
I'm so happy to have found this list! I stayed up until the wee hours
last night reading the last couple of months of your postings. I
learned so much about Cushing's and had two pages of questions for my
vet today.
My 11 year old English Springer Spaniel, Vincent, was diagnosed with
Cushing's two weeks ago. I had never heard of the thing before then.
Vincent's main symptom was a six-month ear infection that just wouldn't
go away. My own vet said not to worry about it. I was, though, so I
finally took him to a nearby veterinary teaching hospital for a second
opinion. They looked at his ears and the rash on his belly and decided
to test for Cushing's. He has the pituitary kind, no tumor.
He starts on Lysodren tomorrow. 1/2 of a 500mg pill twice a day for
a
week. He weighs 55 pounds. After reading all your posts, I was pretty
worried about the loading phase of lysodren, and asked my vet about it.
He said he's giving Vincent a pretty low dose for his loading phase
since Vincent is feeling well and not showing most of the classic
symptoms of Cushing's. He said he doesn't believe in making a well dog
sick. I am relieved that he is taking a conservative approach. He said
he doesn't expect Vincent to have any side affects. He hopes to have
him down to one pill a week after this first week.
So tomorrow I start measuring his water and food intake and watching
him
like a hawk for symptoms of "lysodren overload". And I'll continue
to
read everything I can find about Cushing's.
Thanks for listening!
Sandy and Vincent
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:25:34 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Good luck to you and to Vincent. I know it's scary, but keep asking
questions.
Remember, there is no one right answer with this disorder.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:05:16 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Welcome Sandy and Vincent, we are glad to have you with us, although
we wish
it were under different circumstances, but this is a great web page, very
friendly people and babies. I used to own an English Springer Spaniel when
I was in England, her name was Misty, she was more white than liver, I left
her behind with my best friend when I married and moved to the US, this
was
not her kind of climate compared to the UK, and she had lived with my best
friend and I all her life. We are always here for you and vincent. Jackie,
Randy, Sunny and Saphir.
At 10:39 PM 2/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi everyone -
>
>I'm so happy to have found this list! I stayed up until the wee hours
>last night reading the last couple of months of your postings. I
>learned so much about Cushing's and had two pages of questions for my
>vet today.
>
>My 11 year old English Springer Spaniel, Vincent, was diagnosed with
>Cushing's two weeks ago. I had never heard of the thing before then.
>Vincent's main symptom was a six-month ear infection that just wouldn't
>go away. My own vet said not to worry about it. I was, though, so
I
>finally took him to a nearby veterinary teaching hospital for a second
>opinion. They looked at his ears and the rash on his belly and decided
>to test for Cushing's. He has the pituitary kind, no tumor.
>
>He starts on Lysodren tomorrow. 1/2 of a 500mg pill twice a day for
a
>week. He weighs 55 pounds. After reading all your posts, I was pretty
>worried about the loading phase of lysodren, and asked my vet about
it.
>He said he's giving Vincent a pretty low dose for his loading phase
>since Vincent is feeling well and not showing most of the classic
>symptoms of Cushing's. He said he doesn't believe in making a well
dog
>sick. I am relieved that he is taking a conservative approach. He
said
>he doesn't expect Vincent to have any side affects. He hopes to have
>him down to one pill a week after this first week.
>
>So tomorrow I start measuring his water and food intake and watching
him
>like a hawk for symptoms of "lysodren overload". And I'll
continue to
>read everything I can find about Cushing's.
>
>Thanks for listening!
>
>Sandy and Vincent
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:14:37 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ivan update
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Things are not going well for Ivan. This is his third day at the vet,
he has
not eaten since Tuesday night. He's on Ringer's Lactate with potasium chloride
during the day. He's drinking well and passing urine, but he won't eat.
The vets are all looking very grim. On the drive in today, we admitted
that he
may not come home with us tonight.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:19:46 EST
From: UltraBill@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Rocky's four days into his loading phase, and doing super...no ill effects
at
least yet. Of course, we pray one week's loading will be enough to get
next
Monday's ACTH stim.test into line.
Sandy, when you said Vincent has the pituitary kind, no tumor, you must
mean
no tumor of the Adrenal gland; but pituitary-dependent cushings itself (as
I
understand it) is generally the result of a (usually) non-malignant tumor
on
the pituitary gland. Since that tumor cannot readily be treated or removed,
the Lysodren therapy is designed to prevent what the Adrenal gland is doing
in
response to the (lack of) information it is getting from the pituitary.
I
hope that's both accurate AND is not more than you want to hear. Good luck!
We were in the same shape too, having never heard of this disease until
our
Rocky was diagnosed. Bill & Louise
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:11:37 -0600
From: "scott" <scott@adams.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Debate on Lysodren
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Your story is very much like Jake's, only when Jake could not tolerate
2000mg once a week we divided the dose into 4 days. Monday, Tuesday Thurs,
& Friday. he seems to be doing great on this regimen. Time will tell...
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only when Jake could not tolerate 2000mg once a week we divided the dose
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into 4 days. Monday, Tuesday Thurs, & Friday. he
seems =
to be doing great on this regimen. Time will tell...</p>
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:02:29 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ivan update
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Dillon, Randy and I send you our love and prayers, we hope that when
we get
back from Auburn on Monday that the news is better, as we all know, it is
no
picnic for the babies for what they are having to go thru, know that we
love
you and Ivan. Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir.
At 10:14 AM 2/13/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Things are not going well for Ivan. This is his third day at the vet,
he has
>not eaten since Tuesday night. He's on Ringer's Lactate with potasium
chloride
>during the day. He's drinking well and passing urine, but he won't
eat.
>
>The vets are all looking very grim. On the drive in today, we admitted
that he
>may not come home with us tonight.
>
>
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon.pyron@amd.com
>PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
>Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:10:17 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ivan update
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Dillon--
Let's all pull for Ivan; he sounds like a strong character. Clea was in
the
same shape last August, with one vet, the emergency room vet, actually
discussing putting her down because she was too weak to raise her head.
But
she was not in any pain, and we were not ready. Nor was she. The IV then
resulted in an improvement in the kidney values (BUN came down from 106
to 53),
although liver values stayed high. Since then, she hasn't been much interested
in eating, at least not the foods that she needs to eat (delicatessen sliced
roast beef is a definite no-no). So, we have syringed food into her since
she
came back with us in early August. She does eat some on her own, sometimes
with gusto. She's still a survivor here, walking around, barking and so
forth.
It does take a couple days for her to come around after being on an IV;
she's
a bit wobbly for a while, but does come out of it.
In early August, she was in bad shape and we felt as you probably do
now.
But she came around a few days after we brouught her home, and we know Ivan
can, too! He sounds as strong in spirit as Clea is. Hugs and kisses and
prayers for Ivan. Don't give up, we're glad we didn't. Tom and Maria,
Clea
and the guys.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
E-mail us at trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:50:07 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ebony
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Dear Kathleen:
we were so saddened to hear about Ebony. Our hearts go out to you and the
pain
you must feel. Nothing can take your heartache away now, but we hope you
will
find some comfort in remembering the sweet love you and Ebony always had
for
each other. Nothing can ever take that away. God bless.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
E-mail us at trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:55:33 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ivan--Kidney function
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Some more thoughts about IV's and meds.
Once Clea's kidneys had been damaged, in our view from heavy dosage
of
lysodren, we stopped giving to her (that was last August), and she's doing
OK.
We've heard that rimadyl can cause seizures in dogs with kidney problems,
but
your vet would know best. We don't give it to Clea.
Make sure you know what's going into Ivan's IV. Some diuretics that are
bad
for the kidneys: furosemide, mannitol, thiazides. B Complex vitamins throught
the IV can sometimes cause more harm than good. (Textbook of Veterinary
Internal Med., Ettinger & Feldman, 1995).
Hugs & kisses and our prayers for Ivan.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
E-mail us at trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:08:28 -0600
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ivan update
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Dillon -- You have our positive thoughts, love and prayers for both you
and Ivan.
-- Ruthann and Fergie
Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Things are not going well for Ivan. This is his third day at the
vet, he has
> not eaten since Tuesday night. He's on Ringer's Lactate with potasium
chloride
> during the day. He's drinking well and passing urine, but he won't
eat.
>
> The vets are all looking very grim. On the drive in today, we admitted
that he
> may not come home with us tonight.
>
> --
> dillon pyron
> dillon.pyron@amd.com
> PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
> Think of dogs as well armed two year olds.
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:16:22 -0800 (PST)
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ivan
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All my best thoughts are with you in Ivan's hours of need.
--
>--------------------------------------------<
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:39:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Maggie update
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Hi, all. Miss Maggie had a cortisol test done some time ago (took them
forever to get me the results), and unfortunately, the news is not good.
Her cortisol level's gone up. If people recall, I can't afford treatment
for her, so her symptoms are just going to snowball :(
Still, (I hope I don't jinx her by saying this) she's got lots of energy,
to run about and get into mischief. Today she chewed up a plastic lid,
stole my candy (including some chocolate, eep! But she seems okay), and
ran off into the neighbourhood, (taking her sweet time to come when we
called her. All in all, she was out for nearly half an hour, and it's
-15! Needless to say, I was very relieved when she came running home to
our calls).
Maggie's still got her hair, and she's having few noticeable symptoms
other than her potbelly, fatness, mineralized corneas and worrisome
shaking (which may not be Cushings-related, but I think it is), so it's
not like she's on her last legs, but it's still upsetting. I've only had
her for a few months, but I dearly love her and don't like to see her
suffer.
She's currently wrapped up in a towel to keep her warm, snoring away
on
the bed :) I hope to get some nice photos of her soon while she's still
healthy; maybe one can go up on the webpage!
Hugs and kisses to all the doggies (and kitties, no matter how naughty
they may be) out there!
Lia
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be
misconstrued" ---Jerry Boyle, This Hour Has 22 Minutes
Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
lmbrown@trentu.ca anlmb@blaze.trentu.ca
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Palpatine's dead. Vote Wedge. Antilles/Celchu '00!
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:39:29 EST
From: ShortyFile@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 98-02-14 22:18:38 EST, you write:Please remove me
from the
mailing list for Cushings pets. Shortyfile@aol.com. Thanks for your good
work
in this area. Zoe and Emily