Cushing's Disease/Syndrome | Electronic Forum Digest 25

CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 25

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: feeling helpless
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
2) Replies Request and Update on Sunny
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
3) Re: Replies Request and Update on Sunny
by DAOsborn@softart.com
4) Re: Update on Chloe
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
5) fears
by kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
6) Re: fears
by Jenice Smith <jsmith@bmi.net>
7) Re: fears
by DAOsborn@softart.com
8) New forum user
by "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
9) Re: feeling helpless
by MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
10) Re: fears
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
11) Re: New forum user
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
12) Re: New forum user
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
13) Re: New forum user
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
14) Re: fears
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
15) Re: fears
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
16) RE: New forum user
by "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
17) Re: New forum user
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
18) Re: New forum user
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
19) Re: New forum user
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
20) Re: New forum user
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
21) Anyone in the Austin Texas area?
by DAOsborn@softart.com
22) Re: Anyone in the Austin Texas area?
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
23) Re: Anyone in the Austin Texas area?
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
24) Re: Anyone in the Austin Texas area?
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
25) RE: New forum user
by "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
26) Have Question and Update on Sunny
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
27) Interpretation of ALT and ALKP Results
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
28) Recent Postings
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
29) Re: Recent Postings
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
30) Have a question
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
31) Re: Recent Postings
by Klink11443 <Klink11443@aol.com>
32) Re: Recent Postings
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
33) Update??
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
34) Re: Have a question
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
35) Re: Recent Postings
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
36) Have a question
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
37) Re: Recent Postings
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
38) Re: Have a question
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
39) Re: Have a question
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
40) Re: Have a question
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
41) ravenous appetite
by Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
42) Re: Anipryl
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
43) Re: ravenous appetite
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
44) Re: Anipryl
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
45) Re: Anipryl
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
46) Re: ravenous appetite
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
47) Re: Anipryl
by Spot210 <Spot210@aol.com>
48) Re: Anipryl
by "jeffbeth@interserv.com" <jeffbeth@interserv.com>
49) Re: Anipryl
by Klink11443 <Klink11443@aol.com>
50) Paw Pads
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
51) Re: Paw Pads
by Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
52) Paw Pads
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
53) Ravenous Appetite
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
54) Re: Anipryl
by Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
55) Re: Anipryl
by "jeffbeth@interserv.com" <jeffbeth@interserv.com>
56) Re: Have a question
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
57) Re: Anipryl
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
58) Maggie
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
59) Re: Anipryl
by kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
60) Paw Pads
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
61) RE: ravenous appetite
by "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
62) Re: Ravenous Appetite
by "L.Brazin, HSC Libraries Temple Univ" <BRAZIN@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>
63) Re: Ravenous Appetite
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
64) Re: Paw Pads
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
65) Re: Have a question
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
66) We're new to this group
by "Parnell & Sandi O'Brien" <contentment@worldnet.att.net>

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 08:31:36 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: feeling helpless
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I wish I could tell you if Cookie's in pain. I also wish I knew if Maggie
is. It's something I've been wondering a lot about lately. I don't have
the money to treat her, so I'm just sitting back, watching, hoping she
stays well, and worrying.

Hello Lia, the above is a section from your note to the cushings group, I
was rather upset about "just sitting back and watching her and not having
the money to treat her", what will happen to her when she needs loading
doses and visits to the vet, how will you cope, is there not a clinic there
for people who cannot afford the vet fees, do you need help from us as a
group, we cannot let Cookie go without, please let me know what is
happening. Sunny, Saphir, Jackie and Randy.

At 03:44 AM 3/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 KAMCK@centuryinter.net wrote:
>
>> I could find since she was diagnosed with Cushings a month ago. Her hair
>> has gradually become thinner and her skin is dry and flakes off like a
>> persons skin does after a sunburn (not like dandruff).What I would
>> really like to know is if anyone else has noticed any shaking or
>> trembling, like the chills? Cookie does this a lot. It can be a small
>> tremble in her back legs or a complete shaking over her entire body.
>> This happens at any time - sleeping, walking, sitting.. I wish I knew if
> Yes, trembling happens with my dog Maggie, too. I haven't been able to
>figure out if it's from cold, nerves, or pain---though I suspect a
>combination of all three (however, Mag's not by nature a nervous dog).
>The vet's assistant seemed to think it was from the cold. But she has all
>her fur (knock wood) and it's puzzling. She does seem to relax when I put
>a blanket on her so maybe that's it.
>
> > she is in pain. Also her breathing is sometimes noisey. It
>will
>sound > like a purring noise, or a low moaning. She has been treated with
>> Lysodren. I would like to know if anyone has experienced these
>> symptoms.I want to do all I can to help her. Thanks. - Kelli
>>
> Maggie breathes very loudly, too. She snores terribly, pants a lot, and
>generally sounds quite loud. It's funny you should mention "purring",
>because she was making sounds just like that a few days ago (the first
>we'd heard of it), which was strange.
>
>I wish I could tell you if Cookie's in pain. I also wish I knew if Maggie
>is. It's something I've been wondering a lot about lately. I don't have
>the money to treat her, so I'm just sitting back, watching, hoping she
>stays well, and worrying.
>
>She's a grumpy, feisty little mutt :) She tears up stuff every time I go
>out and don't take her with me....and it was her birthday the other day.
>9 years old.
>
> Lia
>
>==============================================================================
> "The slogan `Vote for me and I'll lend you my pants', can often be
> misconstrued" ---Jerry Boyle, This Hour Has 22 Minutes
> Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
> lmbrown@trentu.ca anlmb@blaze.trentu.ca
>==============================================================================
>Palpatine's dead. Vote Wedge. Antilles/Celchu '00!
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 08:55:08 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Replies Request and Update on Sunny
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>Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:22:04 -0600
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>Subject: Replies Request and Update on Sunny
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>
> When I have read some of the replies to the questions in the forum, I
> get confused as to where the reply starts and the question ends. It
> is confusing because some of the people mix there reply into the
> orginal message. It is very hard to read the reply. I know the reply
> is not *really* meant for me, but we have found some interesting
> information in this forum. So, if it is easier for all to read and
> understand replies and questions it may be easier for us all to help
> our babies.
>
> Our Sunny is just finishing up her 4th week, yes 4th week, of loading
> at 500 mgs daily. Hopefully this will be the last week of loading
> before we start maintenance. Consider yourself lucky if you only
> loaded for one week or even two. The nerves really are *shattered*
> every time Sunny **seems** to stop breathing, or moves wrong or yelps
> because you forget and move her wrong. Tuesday, 10 March, is D-Day or
> should I say B-Day (blood draw day) and Wednesday is T-Day (Test Day).
> Then hopefully we will find out her Cushings ACTH is acceptable and we
> can put her on maintenance doses. If not I don't think either one of
> us can load her again. She does SNORE, but we don't care it is like
> music to our ears, at least she's still breathing. She trembles
> occasionally, but mostly in her legs. It doesn't seem to bother her
> though. Our Sunny does, however, have a problem with her weight and
> she is on Hill's Science Diet R/D to help her reduce. She has a
> limited caloric intake (specifically prescribed by the Vet). She
> looks to be losing weight. I know last time we went to our Vet, she
> had lost about 1/2 a pound, which is great! Before we change our
> baby's diet in the least way we check with our Vet (a just in case it
> might mess with the Cushings check). I hope nobody gets me wrong in
> this case, but every dog is different (just like all of us are
> different). When our Sadie was still here, her diet was totally
> different than Sunny's. Anyway Sunny's ACTH has been coming down, and
> her Water Intake has stayed relatively within her ideal range (as
> prescribed by Dr. Chisolm [Auburn Vet]).
>
> Does anybody else out there keep track of their baby's water intake?
> Has anybody's Vet told them the ideal range by weight for your baby?
>
> Sorry to have carried on so, but I don't write to the forum often,
> usually it is Jackie that does it.
>
> Randy, Jackie, Sunny, Saphir and (Sadie at the Rainbow Bridge)
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:20:58 -0500
From: DAOsborn@softart.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
Subject: Re: Replies Request and Update on Sunny
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When Kelso was first thought to have Cushings, I began monitoring his
water intake. I did this thru the loading and for about 6 weeks after
he began his maintenance phase. My vets loved that I did this since
it really helped in his diagnosis. I have discontinued the monitoring
since he has been doing so well, but still consciously watch how often
I fill the water bowls.

I have the opposite problem of trying to increase Kelso's weight. He
weighs about 22 pounds now which is just about right but I have to
keep an eye on this.

We are thinking of you and Sunny. Please let us know how she
continues to do!!

Doreen

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Subject: Replies Request and Update on Sunny
Author: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu> at Internet
Date: 3/9/98 8:55 AM

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:50:46 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update on Chloe
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The itchies are a sign of the disease. It took Ivan about 6 weeks to clear up,
but only about 2, after the loading phase, to start showing improvement.

You might talk to your vet about a shampoo like Nu Sal T (I think that's the
name, I obviously don't have the bottle with me :-). This did wonders for
Ivan's skin. Basically a cannine formulated dandruf shampoo.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:33:35 -0800 (PST)
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: fears
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Reading this list, I keep seeing things and thinking - "Should I have
checked that on Ebony?" "Should I have had the vet try that?" I keep
wondering if somehow I am responsible for her death. Might she still be
alive if we had tried Lysodren, even with all her other problems? The doubt
is killing me.
--
>--------------------------------------------<
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:44:26 -0800
From: Jenice Smith <jsmith@bmi.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: fears
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I lost my beloved pet and I know the feelings of "what if's", "if only's", and
"should have's"....it's been nearly two months and I am still wondering if I did
everything I could do....I wonder if I always will feel that way? I know that
those of us that love our pets want to do ALL that is possible but sometimes
there just isn't anything more that we can do. And oh how it hurts to lose them,
I feel for all those that have lost a pet.

kathleen richards wrote:

> Reading this list, I keep seeing things and thinking - "Should I have
> checked that on Ebony?" "Should I have had the vet try that?" I keep
> wondering if somehow I am responsible for her death. Might she still be
> alive if we had tried Lysodren, even with all her other problems? The doubt
> is killing me.
> --
> >--------------------------------------------<
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
> kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:51:55 -0500
From: DAOsborn@softart.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
Subject: Re: fears
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You have to realize that you did everything possible for Ebony at the
time. The main reason for this great list is to share our experiences
to learn for the future, by learning from the past. I hope it helps
you rest easier to know that your experiences will help future babies
cope with this awful disease. Please feel better!!

Doreen and Kelso

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Subject: fears
Author: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu> at Internet
Date: 3/9/98 1:33 PM

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:09:37 -0500
From: "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
To: "'Cushings-Pets'" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: New forum user
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Hi,

My name is Jacci & my dog Brandy(Beagle/Dachshund mix) was just diagnosed with Cushings. We have one more test phase to go through to determine the route of treatment. This next test will determine if she has an adrenal tumor or her pituitary is not working properly. I'm not sure how far I want to take this. Brandy is 12, she had abdominal surgery 3 weeks ago to rule out liver cancer and explore other possibilities. I was almost ready to let the vet euthanize on the table if she felt things didn't look good. I'm very glad I didn't choose that, because according to the vet her liver looked really bad. But the lab results concluded that is was not cancer. Her symptoms had included shaking, drinking lots of water (although with 2 dogs it's hard to tell just how much she is drinking), no appetite, distended abdomen, and just very listless.

I've been reading some of the old forum notes. Very helpful, but very scary. Some of the treatments seem extreme.

Below are some of the questions I have:
1. Does the disease cause the hair loss or is it the treatment?
2. Is she in any pain at this point?
3. What would happen if we didn't pursue treatment for her?
4. I've read about special diets after beginning treatments. What are the things that cause special diets?

Thank you for your replies and for this wonderful forum,
Jacci

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 03:00:08 -0500 (EST)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: feeling helpless
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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Jackie Siniard wrote:

> Hello Lia, the above is a section from your note to the cushings group, I
> was rather upset about "just sitting back and watching her and not having
> the money to treat her", what will happen to her when she needs loading
> doses and visits to the vet, how will you cope, is there not a clinic there
> for people who cannot afford the vet fees, do you need help from us as a
> group, we cannot let Cookie go without, please let me know what is
> happening. Sunny, Saphir, Jackie and Randy.
>
Maggie (Cookie is the other lady's dog) and I thank you for your concern,
and offers to help...unfortunately, I don't know what anyone can do.
Unfortunately, I'm still in university, and I'm $24,000 in debt :( I
adopted Maggie because her old family didn't want her and she had no place
else to go (they were going to put her to sleep). I didn't know she had
Cushings when I adopted her, and was assured she was healthy. The family
who I got her from has a decent amount of money, but they won't give me
any for her :(

I simply don't have the money to do much for her...I really do have to sit
back helplessly. Several people have suggested herbal treatments which
I'm going to look into, but the problem with meds like Lysodren and
Anipryl is that once Maggie's on them, she can never go off. Maybe I
could afford them for a little while, but not for the rest of her life (I
still don't have a job lined up for when I graduate).
Unfortunately, there are no cheap clinics around here. I can take her to
the vet when she needs it (she has to get her bum cleaned out every so
often because her anal glands fill up), but daily medication is just too
much.
Stinks, doesn't it? :(

Lia, Maggie, and Mitzi (tabby cat)

==============================================================================
"The slogan `Vote for me and I'll lend you my pants', can often be
misconstrued" ---Jerry Boyle, This Hour Has 22 Minutes
Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
lmbrown@trentu.ca anlmb@blaze.trentu.ca
==============================================================================
Palpatine's dead. Vote Wedge. Antilles/Celchu '00!

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:11:47 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: fears
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On Mar 9, 1:33pm, kathleen richards wrote:
> Subject: fears
> Reading this list, I keep seeing things and thinking - "Should I have
> checked that on Ebony?" "Should I have had the vet try that?" I keep
> wondering if somehow I am responsible for her death. Might she still be
> alive if we had tried Lysodren, even with all her other problems? The doubt
> is killing me.

I will question everything we did for both Ivan and Molly for the rest of my
life. In the end, I think I'll only know that I did what I thought was right.
I hope that one day they will tell me that was enough.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:51:51 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user
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Lysodren loading is always scary. But, once the dosage is set (although this
may take some time, please don't fret too much), you may find that you have a
new dog in the house. Or at least a happier one.

Love to all,

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:04:48 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user
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Hi Jacci-

I'll quickly address a couple of your questions based on my own experience
with Cushing's.

>1. Does the disease cause the hair loss or is it the treatment?

Hair loss is a symptom of the disease. Many members of this forum have
reported regrowth of hair after beginning Lysodren treatment. For one
pretty extreme example, look a Floyd in the Cushing's Gallery
<http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings>. He turned into a real teddy
bear, although as I recall, the owner did say his regrowth was a different
texture.

>2. Is she in any pain at this point?

Hmmm... that's a tough one. Cushing's causes muscle, tendon, and ligament
weakness, I believe. For our dog, this meant lameness in her back legs and
an ligament tear. I think this must have been painful for her!

Also, some folks have said that excessive panting and shaking are pain
responses. Don't you wish these sweet pups could talk to us and tell us
how they're feeling?!?

Best of luck with treating your baby and welcome to the group,

Leslie

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:37:31 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user
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On Mar 10, 2:04pm, Leslie Lawson wrote:
> Subject: Re: New forum user
> Hi Jacci-
>
> I'll quickly address a couple of your questions based on my own experience
> with Cushing's.
>
> >1. Does the disease cause the hair loss or is it the treatment?
>
> Hair loss is a symptom of the disease. Many members of this forum have
> reported regrowth of hair after beginning Lysodren treatment. For one
> pretty extreme example, look a Floyd in the Cushing's Gallery
> <http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings>. He turned into a real teddy
> bear, although as I recall, the owner did say his regrowth was a different
> texture.

Ivan's came back softer than ever. Almost downy soft and smooth. And,
amazingly enough, easy to deal with. He would blow coat just like always, but
it was a soft, gray/black hair.

>
> >2. Is she in any pain at this point?
>
> Hmmm... that's a tough one. Cushing's causes muscle, tendon, and ligament
> weakness, I believe. For our dog, this meant lameness in her back legs and
> an ligament tear. I think this must have been painful for her!
>
> Also, some folks have said that excessive panting and shaking are pain
> responses. Don't you wish these sweet pups could talk to us and tell us
> how they're feeling?!?

Our current vet thinks that some forms of Cushings go hand in hand with thyroid
conditions (this was certainly Ivan's situation). And the thyroid regulates
body temperature. So I suspect at least some of the panting and seeking cool
spots is that. But they are such stoic little creatures, and won't tell us a
thing.

>
> Best of luck with treating your baby and welcome to the group,
>
> Leslie
>
>-- End of excerpt from Leslie Lawson

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:45:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: fears
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While I have only been subscribing to this list for two weeks, I can
unequivocably say that if we all have one attribute in common (other
than dogs with Cushings), it's that we probably care and fret TOO much
over our dogs.

When I was at the University of Illinois pursuing additional tests
on Sweetie to determine what kind of Cushings she has, the vet, who has
himself a Cushinoid dog, looked at me in a puzzled way and started to say
"Why are you pursuing this?" but then he saw my face, my reaction, and
he amended it to "Well, I have five dogs..."

How can one say what is enough research and effort when causes and cures
for this disease are, apparently, unknown? What can be more painful than
watching one's loved one die, slowly, day by day, not even sure whether
our pets are in pain or not. Like I said to that vet and I'll put my money
where my mouth is some day, we need research into Cushings Disease!

Jenny & Sweetie/Tibetan Terrier, 7 yrs.
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Dillon Pyron wrote:

> On Mar 9, 1:33pm, kathleen richards wrote:
> > Subject: fears
> > Reading this list, I keep seeing things and thinking - "Should I have
> > checked that on Ebony?" "Should I have had the vet try that?" I keep
> > wondering if somehow I am responsible for her death. Might she still be
> > alive if we had tried Lysodren, even with all her other problems? The doubt
> > is killing me.
>
> I will question everything we did for both Ivan and Molly for the rest of my
> life. In the end, I think I'll only know that I did what I thought was right.
> I hope that one day they will tell me that was enough.
>
>
>
>
> --
> dillon pyron
> dillon.pyron@amd.com
> Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
> Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart
>

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:52:47 -0800
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: fears
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Jenny Kellstedt wrote:
> When I was at the University of Illinois pursuing additional tests
> on Sweetie to determine what kind of Cushings she has, the vet, who has
> himself a Cushinoid dog, looked at me in a puzzled way and started to say
> "Why are you pursuing this?"

It does make a difference what type of Cushings our dogs have, though.
Surgery to remove a tumor on an adrenal gland is possible, it that's
found to be the cause--and though it's not an easy surgery, that would
correct the problem, and no further treatment would be needed, unless
the tumor was found to be cancerous. And, if I understand correctly,
Anipryl only works for pituitary-dependent Cushings, (when it works
at all), so knowing which type of Cushings could effect choice
of medication as well. Jeri

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:32:35 -0500
From: "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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Hi Leslie,

Thanks for the reply. This Cushing's disease is very new to me. I'm =
really glad I found this forum. I'm feeling much more educated, so when =
I go back to the vet I can ask the right questions.

I don't know how much longer Brandy has, she is 12 now, but I'm going to =
pursue this and treat it as necessary. I hate to see her in pain. She =
has brought so much joy to my life.

Jacci

-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Lawson [SMTP:lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 3:05 PM
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user

Hi Jacci-

I'll quickly address a couple of your questions based on my own =
experience
with Cushing's.

>1. Does the disease cause the hair loss or is it the treatment?

Hair loss is a symptom of the disease. Many members of this forum have
reported regrowth of hair after beginning Lysodren treatment. For one
pretty extreme example, look a Floyd in the Cushing's Gallery
<http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings>. He turned into a real =
teddy
bear, although as I recall, the owner did say his regrowth was a =
different
texture.=20

>2. Is she in any pain at this point?

Hmmm... that's a tough one. Cushing's causes muscle, tendon, and =
ligament
weakness, I believe. For our dog, this meant lameness in her back legs =
and
an ligament tear. I think this must have been painful for her!

Also, some folks have said that excessive panting and shaking are pain
responses. Don't you wish these sweet pups could talk to us and tell us
how they're feeling?!?

Best of luck with treating your baby and welcome to the group,

Leslie

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:44:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user
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Dillon responded to Leslie:

Sweetie has recently exhibited slight tremors in her legs, yet she prefers
to lie under a window or against an outer door. I wonder if I should have
her thyroid tested. Is there any benefit to this?

She presently takes 10 mg. daily of aprenyl. Is this is a "normal" dosage
for a 25 lb. dog? I am not sure what OD-symptoms of Aprenyl are, but she
was not shaking prior to being on it. Jeri, the milk thistle seems to
help. I also give 1/3 zantac if she seems to be in pain. Any harm to this?

Is there any categorizing of symptoms as to how far progressed the
Cushings is? I have noticed some dogs have died almost immediately
following diagnosis, while others have survived for years. Will the enzyme
measures indicate how far the disease has progressed? Are there any
measures reliably forecasting the disease's progress?

Thank you. I am so sorry about the recent losses of Echo and Ivan. After
reading the archives, I felt I knew them.

Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:16:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user
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Um, isn't Zantac the same Zantac I take to slow the amount of acid my
stomach secretes under stress? I wasn't aware it had any use with pain.

--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:04:39 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user
Message-ID: <9803110904.ZM11296@dvorak.amd.com>
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Jaci, Ivan was diagnosed just prior to his 11th birthday, and lived to be
almost 14 1/2. One of the few good things is that you see the vet more often
and get a little more tuned in on the little one's condition and needs.

It's scary. It's a little painful to everyone. But it can be worked through.

Love to all, hugs and scritches to Brandy, just above the eyes (all of mine
have been blissed out by this :-)

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:08:14 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user
Message-ID: <9803110908.ZM11494@dvorak.amd.com>
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I really can't answer any of your questions except the first one. If he/she
hasn't already done so, ask for a full chem panel, including a thyroid series.

And talk to the vet. Find out who is being consulted if he/she is not an
endocrinology specialist and ask to speak with that person. You deserve
information, and I guess I was lucky to have two vets who were both informed
and willing to talk.

This isn't meant to be a slam on vets, sometimes I think we don't ask and they
assume we don't want to know.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:07:29 -0500
From: DAOsborn@softart.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anyone in the Austin Texas area?
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Is there anyone on this list who lives in the Austin Texas area? My
company will probably be transferring me there and I would love some
info. Please respond privately.

Thanks

Doreen

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:42:31 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anyone in the Austin Texas area?
Message-ID: <9803111542.ZM3508@dvorak.amd.com>
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Yours truly, as well as our gracious founder and hostess are both residents of
this Garden of Eden (Leslie, do you think I'll get the job with the CofC? :-)

You'll find Austin to be a fairly dog friendly city.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:06:03 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anyone in the Austin Texas area?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980311160603.0076839c@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
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Shame on you, Dillon, for lying about Austin. This really is a horrible
place to be. [What are you trying to do Dillon, get even *MORE* people to
move here?!? Geez...... ;-) ]

Naw, I'm just kidding, Austin is an incredible city with many beautiful
parks, a wide variety of restaurants to suit any taste, and every possible
type of live music nearly every night. This is truly Eden, although it is
quickly becoming overpopulated. Almost daily my native-Austinite husband
wistfully reminisces about the good ol' days when Austin was still just a
town and you didn't have to fear for your life on the roadways.

Doreen will be warmly welcomed, especially if she comes in August when the
weather is nice and warm! ;-)

-Leslie

At 03:42 PM 3/11/98 -0600, Dillon Pyron wrote:
>Yours truly, as well as our gracious founder and hostess are both
residents of
>this Garden of Eden (Leslie, do you think I'll get the job with the CofC? :-)
>
>You'll find Austin to be a fairly dog friendly city.
>
>
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon.pyron@amd.com
>Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
>Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:13:39 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anyone in the Austin Texas area?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980311221339.006f4060@email.uah.edu>
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why respond privately?

At 02:07 PM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
> Is there anyone on this list who lives in the Austin Texas area? My
> company will probably be transferring me there and I would love some
> info. Please respond privately.
>
> Thanks
>
> Doreen
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:42:28 -0500
From: "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: New forum user
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Hi Dillon,

Thanks for the insight into this. After joining this forum, I now feel =
much more informed and can go back to the vet with educated questions.

Jacci

-----Original Message-----
From: Dillon Pyron [SMTP:dillon.pyron@amd.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 10:08 AM
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New forum user

I really can't answer any of your questions except the first one. If =
he/she
hasn't already done so, ask for a full chem panel, including a thyroid =
series.

And talk to the vet. Find out who is being consulted if he/she is not =
an
endocrinology specialist and ask to speak with that person. You deserve
information, and I guess I was lucky to have two vets who were both =
informed
and willing to talk.

This isn't meant to be a slam on vets, sometimes I think we don't ask =
and they
assume we don't want to know.

--=20
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:13:46 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Have Question and Update on Sunny
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>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:29:14 -0600
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>Subject: Have Question and Update on Sunny
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>
> What's an Endocrinologist? We have seen it referred to, but are not
> sure really what it is.
>
> Since I am here discussing. We had "bad" news yesterday. Sunny is
> not responding to the Lysodren loading, so we now must have another
> Ultra-sound done, because it is possible the first one was done
> incorrectly and produced the wrong results. We are now contacting
> Auburn University Animal Clinic and trying to get her an appointment.
> It is now an urgent matter, Sunny is still ravenous and the past two
> days here water consumption dropped drastically low. We had to give
> her a 1/2 a prednisone yesterday and try to bring her back up. It was
> pretty bad. Her eating has not changed, she still begs for food and
> can't wait for her food in the morning or at night. Talk about
> frustrating!!
>
> Jackie is contacting Dr. Chisholm at Auburn to see if she can get
> Sunny in for an ultra-sound earlier than 31 March. When Jackie tried
> to schedule Sunny in they told her they were booked until then. Can
> you imagine no medications and **not knowing** for almost *3 weeks!!*
> We would be totally crazy by then. Something has to be done. If not
> at Auburn perhaps another vet has this capability somewhere in
> Alabama. We will persevere. We will update you as we can.
>
> Randy, Jackie, Sunny and Saphir
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:32:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Interpretation of ALT and ALKP Results
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I took Sweetie to the vet's this morning and received these results. Can
anyone interpret them for me?

ALKP: 6/97---618
11/97---279 and 355
1/98---748
2/98--1575 (a cause of concern to me)

ALT: 6/97---49
10/97---67
11/97---31
1/98---39
2/25---72

Could stress while at the veterinary clinic and away from home for several
days account for the increases in February figures?

As for the zantac, well, that's something suggested during my first visit
at the U of Illinois Veterinary Clinic when she was diagnosed as having a
"patchy liver."

Her stomach is very bloated. I started adding cottage cheese and yoghurt
to her diet. Is tofu a good idea, too? Vet is testing her thyroid, hadn't
been done.

Thanks if you can help,

Jenny & Sweetie/Tibetan Terrier, 7 yrs.
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:34:16 -0600
From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Recent Postings
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Rudy has been on Anipryl (selegiline hydrochloride by Pfizer) for 6 days
now. We are noticing some improvement in his general demeanor. He may
also have regained a bit of strength.

We found some info on the net at www.lonestarvet.com/cushings.htm which
stated that Anipryl is not currently approved for use in the US. Our vet
said it was the latest thing and had rave reviews of success in Europe.
The info sheet talked about results in 132 dogs. Seems promising.

It is given at 1mg/kg. For Rudy this works out to 1/2 of the 15mg tablets
once a day. Thirty tablets, 2 months worth for us were $80. Expensive but
if it will give us our wonderful skip back it is certainly worth it.

Does anyone out there have any experience/knowledge with it? How much does
it cost elsewhere. Any info appreciated.
Thanks, Jody, Peg and Rudy

May the wind be always at your back. (I fly kites)

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:10:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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I am curious about Anipryl, too, as Sweetie has been on it for ten days
now and I do not see great improvement, except that her panting has
decreased and she is drinking less water. I do notice that she has become
more lethargic and has gained three pounds in this time. Also, her
bloating has not diminished and muscular weakness in rear legs remains
constant. I saw her vet today and he is consulting an endocronologist at
Purdue, thanks to Doreen's recommendation. He also took a blood sample for
thyroid analysis.

She takes 10mg. anipryl daily; (current) weight is 29 lbs. though she
should be at 25-27 lbs. How much does Rudy weigh? and for how long a
period of time have you observed Cushings symptoms?

Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Jody McCann wrote:

> Rudy has been on Anipryl (selegiline hydrochloride by Pfizer) for 6 days
> now. We are noticing some improvement in his general demeanor. He may
> also have regained a bit of strength.
>
> We found some info on the net at www.lonestarvet.com/cushings.htm which
> stated that Anipryl is not currently approved for use in the US. Our vet
> said it was the latest thing and had rave reviews of success in Europe.
> The info sheet talked about results in 132 dogs. Seems promising.
>
> It is given at 1mg/kg. For Rudy this works out to 1/2 of the 15mg tablets
> once a day. Thirty tablets, 2 months worth for us were $80. Expensive but
> if it will give us our wonderful skip back it is certainly worth it.
>
> Does anyone out there have any experience/knowledge with it? How much does
> it cost elsewhere. Any info appreciated.
> Thanks, Jody, Peg and Rudy
>
> May the wind be always at your back. (I fly kites)
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:25:00 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Have a question
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Randy, Jackie, Sunny and Saphir......

I went thru the SAME exact thing with Schonus in regards to scheduling
him for an ultrasound! My Vet told me he could not do it in his office
that I would have to go to Cornell University to get it done. Waiting
list there is 1 1/2 months!!!! I went crazy! At that time Schonus was
not on ANY medications and his post ACTH count was 326!! You bet your
bootie....I got it done the next week. I called my Vet back because I
knew he had the capability of doing the ultrasound and DEMANDED to know
why he would not do it...he finally agreed. No explanations...it was
done within two days! Unfortunately Schonus' abdomen was so distended
the pics came out too gray which made it difficult to make
diagnosis....little did they know I'm an x-ray tech and I asked to see
the pics...and when I saw them...they were definitely gray. The only
way I got an earlier appt at Cornell was my Vet called up for me!
Hey...sometimes somebody has got to pull some strings!! Cornell Univ
had more sophisticated ultrasound unit and we were informed that day of
his appt that if there was an adrenal gland tumor...they were taking him
directly to the OR....I wanted to cry! He was ruled pituitary
dependent.

An endocrinologist is according to my medical dictionary is "an
individual skilled in endocrinology (study of the endocrine system) and
in the diagnosis and treatment of disorders of the glands of internal
secretion, i.e. the endocrine glands.

I was just curious about something...they are doing sooo many loading
phases on poor little Sunny...how many days did they load her for...7?
When Schonus was "loaded" the first time it was only for four days...the
second time it took 12 straight loading days! My Vet said we could
"load" up to 14 days...hmmmm?

Hope this helps and our best to you all. Thanks so much for taking the
time for updating us...our thoughts and prayers are with you!

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:51:05 EST
From: Klink11443 <Klink11443@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi
My poddle was diagnosed with Cushings around Christmas of 1997. We put him on
Anipryl 5mg. He has been on it for 51 days. The first 30 days we have seen a
lot of improvement. This month there has not been much of a change. My vet
says Anipryl is approved for the US. It just got approval I think in June. I
pay about $76 for 5mg. for a 30 day supply. I think that is very expensive. If
my poddle (Buttons) don't show any more improvement we might have to take
other steps. Good luck with your baby.
Karen

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:58:18 -0600
From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Recent Postings
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Jenny,
Rudy weighs about 18lbs. We really started noticing him not wanting to
jump up on the bed about 6 weeks ago. More panting and "anxiety" for 4 or
5 weeks and we noticed some "moist dermatitis" in one of his ears for a few
weeks. We went in for routine teeth cleaning et c and decided since he was
7+ years old we would have the routine blood work done. They noticed some
of the liver tests "slightly off" and away we went. Symptoms plus tests
and here we are. I had not seen any other postings about Anipryl. We'll
let you know.

Jody, Peg, & Rudy

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:05:08 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Update??
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How's Loki????

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:26:10 -0500
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Have a question
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Comment on LInda's post - I went through the same thing with Bo - after
he "maxed out" on the first loading, even though his symptoms improved
greatly, they took him off lysodren for two weeks and had me give
prednisone as well. His Cushing's symptoms returned full-force. Then vet
did another loading for shorter period of time. This seemed to have
little effect - not nearly as dramatic a decrease in symptoms as first
time. Finally, using my own judgement, I just went ahead and did a third
loading myself, extending it over longer period but not giving as heavy
a dose. He did not have any reaction and his symtoms, and test results,
showed dramatic improvement. I never really discussed what I did with
the vet, and yes, I know Lysodren can be dangerous, but I had seen how
effective the Lysodren could be and sometimes I just go with my gut
instinct. After all, the vets are not at home with our pets all the
time, and they don't see the little nuances of symptoms, etc.

Judy

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:51:26 EST
From: DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi. I'm new to this group. I have a standard poodle, Spenser. Last April we
did a routine blood screen for him-he was 7+ years at the time. The results
were borderline that something might be wrong according to the vet. We did a
repeat screen last October and sure enough, its Cushings. We started him on
Anipryl by beginning of November. He's 70 lbs and its costing $98/mo (for
30mg/30 day packs).

Very expensive for us. I tried finding less expensive sources but couldn't and
even went to a "holistic vet" who (I found out after the appointment) was
charging us by the minute for our appointment.

He was rechecked about 3 weeks later and his bloodwork levels had returned to
normal. His water consumption isn't high at all for his size. Was feeling
pretty good until I started reading some of these postings and realizing that
the leg tremors and other symptoms I see in his legs are actually Cushings
related. Apparently the vet has not really made us aware of the full spectrum
of symptoms. He'll have a recheck next week so I'll go back much more
informed. I'm grateful for the opportunity to hear from so many people about
this. Thank you all.

Susan, Steve and Spenser

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:22:13 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Judy.....

I forgot to mention that during the 12 day loading phase, his dosage was
dropped but even tho it was 12 days...the end result was great....our
first normal ACTH test in over a year.

Right now I'm fighting a "pad" infection with Schonus. All of his pads
are raw and bleeding. My Vet did a C&S (culture and sensitivity test)
and found out that we had previously had him on Amoxicillin but that he
is nonresponsive to that. That made me a little mad as we gave him
something for nothing for two weeks. I just have this "thing" about
putting pills into my dog and them not working. He has now been started
on Oxacillin for 14 days. In addition to the Amoxicillin we were
soaking his feet in Domeboro solution and then applying Bactoderm after
each walk.

Is anyone else experiencing "pad" problems?

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:00:45 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Recent Postings
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The $80 sounds correct (notice I didn't say "right").

As far as availability, I'd guess that the web page is out of date, as we were
considering this option 6 or 7 months ago, and a number of people on this list
have been using it.

Glad you're getting good results.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:12:26 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Have a question
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WOW!!! 1 1/2 months??? When Ivan had his spleenectomy, it was like a Friday
afternoon visit, then bring him in Saturday at 8am for the ultrasound and
surgery on Monday. He would have been dead in 6 weeks!

I hate to sound snotty, but _please_ make sure your vet understands the urgency
of this. Most vets never see a Cushings case, and may not realize that days
wasted count two or three to one against life. Little Sunny needs the
ultrasound soon, since the medication isn't working!

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:26:37 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Have a question
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Ivan had long term problems with hyperkeratosis of his pads and his nose. It
would come and go. Thickening, followed by massively sloughing off and
sometimes mild bleeding and apparent soreness. Our vet gave us a product
(named???) that eased the thickening and thus the rest of the problem.

But this, we hypothosized, was more a question of his age than his Cushings.

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dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:29:47 -0500
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Re bleeding pads: have you considered Flax Seed Oil--give appx. 1
tablespoon per 50# daily, mix or serve with 1/4-1/2 cup of lowfat cottage
cheese (for the sulfered protien).

The best flax seed oil is found in refrigerated cases at a Whole Foods or
any good nutritional supplement retailer--must be cold pressed!

good luck, Henry Bliley, Reston, VA

L Boyce wrote:

> Judy.....
>
> I forgot to mention that during the 12 day loading phase, his dosage was
> dropped but even tho it was 12 days...the end result was great....our
> first normal ACTH test in over a year.
>
> Right now I'm fighting a "pad" infection with Schonus. All of his pads
> are raw and bleeding. My Vet did a C&S (culture and sensitivity test)
> and found out that we had previously had him on Amoxicillin but that he
> is nonresponsive to that. That made me a little mad as we gave him
> something for nothing for two weeks. I just have this "thing" about
> putting pills into my dog and them not working. He has now been started
> on Oxacillin for 14 days. In addition to the Amoxicillin we were
> soaking his feet in Domeboro solution and then applying Bactoderm after
> each walk.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing "pad" problems?
>
> Linda & Schonus

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:50:45 EST
From: Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: ravenous appetite
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Hello everyone! I have been lurking up until now. This is a great place! We
have a 9yr old(next month) Bichon Frise who was just diagnosed with Cushing's
(pituitary). He had his first dose of Anipryl today. He is on 10mg/day, weighs
15lbs, and the cost is 69.70 for 30 tabs. His diagnosis was a result of blood
work in relation to another chronic problem(bladder stones). His alk phos. was
elevated so he then had a low dose dex. test which was positive for cushing's.
He has not exhibited any signs nor symptom of the disease except for lately I
am becoming convinced that his ravenous appetite is indeed a symptom, not just
his usual pigish self, as it does all of a sudden seem to be getting to be a
real problem. Hindsight is 20/20. I hope, hope, hope, that the Anipryl
alleviates this. It must be so awful for him to feel so starved all the time
and his constant teasing is driving me nuts. I feel so guilty eating in front
of him. Does anyone else have this problem and if so has the treatment
alleviated it?Thanks. It is nice to meet all of you. Debby, Gerry, and Buddy

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:18:33 -0600
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Hi! I am new to the list. I have a 7-1/2 year old Miniature Schnauzer who
was diagnosed with Cushings last summer. She has been on 10mg per day of
Anipryl since July, so it has been a full six months. The changes in her
have been remarkable. The constant drinking of water, lethargy, etc, all
disappeared. I must pay the highest rate so far that I have seen which is
$104.00 for thirty days, so I suppose I am being taken in by my vet. I
wonder what the drug actually costs and if what we pay is related to where
we live, etc. Recently though we suffered a setback after her rabies shot
- she started with real rapid breathing, not panting, but just fast shallow
breathing. We put her on a bronchodilator and she is doing better and
beginning to return to her old self. I wonder if the rabies shot affected
the medication somehow. I know I am paying a lot of $ for the medication,
but she is well worth it to me to have around for however long she lives
comfortably!

Sue & Ginger

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:37:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: ravenous appetite
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Debby, Gerry, and Buddy-

A ravenous appetite is absolutely a symptom of Cushing's! Mind, you, not
all Cushinoid dogs show this symptom--often it is masked by other
problems which cause a lack of appetite.

I can't speak from personal experience (as we had a devil of a time
getting our little one to eat anything!), but the literature says that
with successful treatment, a Cushing's induced ravenous appetite will
diminish.

Glad you're on board with us!

Good luck with Buddy's treatment. Be sure to keep us posted.

-Leslie

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Debthg wrote:

> Hello everyone! I have been lurking up until now. This is a great place! We
> have a 9yr old(next month) Bichon Frise who was just diagnosed with Cushing's
> (pituitary). He had his first dose of Anipryl today. He is on 10mg/day, weighs
> 15lbs, and the cost is 69.70 for 30 tabs. His diagnosis was a result of blood
> work in relation to another chronic problem(bladder stones). His alk phos. was
> elevated so he then had a low dose dex. test which was positive for cushing's.
> He has not exhibited any signs nor symptom of the disease except for lately I
> am becoming convinced that his ravenous appetite is indeed a symptom, not just
> his usual pigish self, as it does all of a sudden seem to be getting to be a
> real problem. Hindsight is 20/20. I hope, hope, hope, that the Anipryl
> alleviates this. It must be so awful for him to feel so starved all the time
> and his constant teasing is driving me nuts. I feel so guilty eating in front
> of him. Does anyone else have this problem and if so has the treatment
> alleviated it?Thanks. It is nice to meet all of you. Debby, Gerry, and Buddy
>
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:42:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Sue-

So glad to hear of your Anipryl success story!

Regarding Ginger's reaction her rabies shot, check out the past
discussions on rec.pets.dogs.health newsgroup. Apparently there's been a
pretty heated thread about vaccinations in general. I haven't been
following the thread, but I think Dillon has. (Dillon, wanna put your 2
cents in here?)

-Leslie

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI wrote:

> Hi! I am new to the list. I have a 7-1/2 year old Miniature Schnauzer who
> was diagnosed with Cushings last summer. She has been on 10mg per day of
> Anipryl since July, so it has been a full six months. The changes in her
> have been remarkable. The constant drinking of water, lethargy, etc, all
> disappeared. I must pay the highest rate so far that I have seen which is
> $104.00 for thirty days, so I suppose I am being taken in by my vet. I
> wonder what the drug actually costs and if what we pay is related to where
> we live, etc. Recently though we suffered a setback after her rabies shot
> - she started with real rapid breathing, not panting, but just fast shallow
> breathing. We put her on a bronchodilator and she is doing better and
> beginning to return to her old self. I wonder if the rabies shot affected
> the medication somehow. I know I am paying a lot of $ for the medication,
> but she is well worth it to me to have around for however long she lives
> comfortably!
>
> Sue & Ginger
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:46:24 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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On Mar 13, 1:42pm, Leslie Lawson wrote:
> Subject: Re: Anipryl
> Sue-
>
> So glad to hear of your Anipryl success story!
>
> Regarding Ginger's reaction her rabies shot, check out the past
> discussions on rec.pets.dogs.health newsgroup. Apparently there's been a
> pretty heated thread about vaccinations in general. I haven't been
> following the thread, but I think Dillon has. (Dillon, wanna put your 2
> cents in here?)

Not really, Molly died ten days after her "comprehensive" vaccinations, due to
AIHA, Ivan died 3 weeks after his rabies shot. I'm suspicious, but not bitter.

>
> -Leslie
>
> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI wrote:
>
> > Hi! I am new to the list. I have a 7-1/2 year old Miniature Schnauzer who
> > was diagnosed with Cushings last summer. She has been on 10mg per day of
> > Anipryl since July, so it has been a full six months. The changes in her
> > have been remarkable. The constant drinking of water, lethargy, etc, all
> > disappeared. I must pay the highest rate so far that I have seen which is
> > $104.00 for thirty days, so I suppose I am being taken in by my vet. I
> > wonder what the drug actually costs and if what we pay is related to where
> > we live, etc. Recently though we suffered a setback after her rabies shot
> > - she started with real rapid breathing, not panting, but just fast shallow
> > breathing. We put her on a bronchodilator and she is doing better and
> > beginning to return to her old self. I wonder if the rabies shot affected
> > the medication somehow. I know I am paying a lot of $ for the medication,
> > but she is well worth it to me to have around for however long she lives
> > comfortably!

The reduction in thirst, as well as the peppiness, are two major symptoms of a
"recovery"!! I'm glad to hear this.

> >
> > Sue & Ginger
> >
>
>-- End of excerpt from Leslie Lawson

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Ivan Oct 12, 1983 - Feb 14, 1998
Fire in his eyes, a roar in his heart

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:50:47 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: ravenous appetite
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Welcome Debby, Gerry and Buddy, out baby Sunny still has the ravenous
appetite, this has not changed since she was diagnosed, but now they think
after over 1 year that she could be adrenal dependant and not pituatory, if
you have been reading about her I will not go on, Good luck with Buddy.
Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir.

At 12:50 PM 3/13/98 EST, you wrote:
>Hello everyone! I have been lurking up until now. This is a great place! We
>have a 9yr old(next month) Bichon Frise who was just diagnosed with Cushing's
>(pituitary). He had his first dose of Anipryl today. He is on 10mg/day, weighs
>15lbs, and the cost is 69.70 for 30 tabs. His diagnosis was a result of blood
>work in relation to another chronic problem(bladder stones). His alk phos. was
>elevated so he then had a low dose dex. test which was positive for cushing's.
>He has not exhibited any signs nor symptom of the disease except for lately I
>am becoming convinced that his ravenous appetite is indeed a symptom, not just
>his usual pigish self, as it does all of a sudden seem to be getting to be a
>real problem. Hindsight is 20/20. I hope, hope, hope, that the Anipryl
>alleviates this. It must be so awful for him to feel so starved all the time
>and his constant teasing is driving me nuts. I feel so guilty eating in front
>of him. Does anyone else have this problem and if so has the treatment
>alleviated it?Thanks. It is nice to meet all of you. Debby, Gerry, and Buddy
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:50:56 EST
From: Spot210 <Spot210@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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In a message dated 98-03-13 13:22:32 EST, you write:

<< She has been on 10mg per day of
Anipryl since July, so it has been a full six months. The changes in her
have been remarkable. The constant drinking of water, lethargy, etc, all
disappeared. I must pay the highest rate so far that I have seen which is
$104.00 for thirty days, >>
===
That does sound very high. I pay $95 for thirty 15mg tablets. Maybe you
could gather info on what other list subscribers are paying for 10mgs (I seem
to recall other people reporting they're paying approximately $65 for a
month's supply of 10mg tablets). Then take that info to the vet. If he's a
reasonable fellow, he should adjust his charges. good luck! Susan (and
Mugsy)

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:52:31 -0500
From: "jeffbeth@interserv.com" <jeffbeth@interserv.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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I just came home from the vet where I picked up our first batch of Anipryl. Our
dog was just diagnosed this week. They were surprised at the price that they
were able to get for our 5mg Anipryl- 60 tablets for $60. They indicated that
they were able to order a generic which they had not known existed until this
order. The label that they produced doesn't list a generic name though, it just
says Anipryl. Has anybody else heard of an available generic? If anybody is
interested I can call the vet and inquire as to where they ordered from and the
generic name.

Beth and JoJo

Spot210 wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-13 13:22:32 EST, you write:
>
> << She has been on 10mg per day of
> Anipryl since July, so it has been a full six months. The changes in her
> have been remarkable. The constant drinking of water, lethargy, etc, all
> disappeared. I must pay the highest rate so far that I have seen which is
> $104.00 for thirty days, >>
> ===
> That does sound very high. I pay $95 for thirty 15mg tablets. Maybe you
> could gather info on what other list subscribers are paying for 10mgs (I seem
> to recall other people reporting they're paying approximately $65 for a
> month's supply of 10mg tablets). Then take that info to the vet. If he's a
> reasonable fellow, he should adjust his charges. good luck! Susan (and
> Mugsy)

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:46:56 EST
From: Klink11443 <Klink11443@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Thanks for your posting. My poodle is taking 5 mg. for around $76 for a 30 day
supply. I tried to get the human form of the drug but my vet said it would
cost $240. I feel that the price we pay is very high. So if you can get the
generic name I would appreciate it.
Karen and Buttons
klink11443

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:45:22 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Paw Pads
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Laura....

I had asked my Vet about Bag Balm and he said under no circumstances
should I use it now. Don't remember the exact explanation but said
because Schonus being on Lysodren and bag balm contains some type of
gasoline...bottom line was...do not use it!

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:59:18 EST
From: Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Paw Pads
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Maybe the vets on the group can explain bag balm's ingredients as listed on my
container:

8 - hydroxy-quinoline sulfate 0.3% in a petrolatum lanolin base

Other dog owners, including myself, have been using bag balm for years. It's
mainly used on cow's udders.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:01:12 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Paw Pads
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Hi Everyone...and Welcome to the Newbies!

Just got the results of Schonus' C&S back...He has staph infections in
his paws! We've been treating him for the past month with Amoxicillin
but found out he is not sensitive to it and is now on Oxacillin. Vet
informed me that it will recur also! Now the $64,000 question is....how
the heck did he get a staph infection?????

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:05:14 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ravenous Appetite
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Debby, Gerry & Buddy....

When Schonus was first diagnosed with PD Cushings...a ravenous appetite
was not one of his symptoms...he's been on Lysodren now for a few months
and his appetite has skyrocketed!!! He eats more than I do!!! Only
good part is he has not gained weight....not yet! I informed my Vet but
he was not concerned about it..

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:29:38 EST
From: Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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WOW!! 60 tablets for $60.00 ??? That is a great price!!!! Where do you live?
The generic name is on the foil pack that we have. It says Anipryl and below
that in parenthesis it says selegiline HCI. I called two pharmacies who both
quoted a more expensive price than our vet,for a change. If it would be
possible for anyone to get it from your vet it would be great!! Debby

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:00:54 -0500
From: "jeffbeth@interserv.com" <jeffbeth@interserv.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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I just faxed a note to the hospital manager at my vet's office. I asked for the
generic name (which we've already figured out) and the supplier that they used
to get the Anipryl. As soon as I get the info, I'll post it. We live in the
Northern Virginia area (Wash. D.C. Metro area). They said that they had not
known that there was a generic before but that they had not ordered 5mg tablets
before. Thus, he seemed to think that the generic may only be available in 5mg-
this doesn't make sense though. If somebody is producing a generic, I'm sure
they would be producing in different strengths. Anyway, as soon as I know more,
I'll be sure to post.

Beth

PS- any info you have to share about how long your pets took to get reach a
therapeutic level of this drug would be appreciated. I love JoJo dearly but I
can't wait until she stops ingesting terrific amounts of water and peeing all
over my carpets. ;-)

Debthg wrote:

> WOW!! 60 tablets for $60.00 ??? That is a great price!!!! Where do you live?
> The generic name is on the foil pack that we have. It says Anipryl and below
> that in parenthesis it says selegiline HCI. I called two pharmacies who both
> quoted a more expensive price than our vet,for a change. If it would be
> possible for anyone to get it from your vet it would be great!! Debby

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:19:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Have a question
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On the Tibetan Terrier listserv this is a frequent topic. The breed is
very allergic because they haven't existed in the Western World for that
long. Some suggestions included pouring listerine over the feet and
filling a bathtub 1/4 full with warm water and epsom salts, letting the
dog pad around there for 5 minutes. Also, my vet has something called
wound powder that I dust on after drying the feet. Hope this helps,

Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, L Boyce wrote:

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:34:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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My vet told me this week that Sweetie was not to have any more
vaccinations. He also said no heartworm meds. This summer I'm going to use
only herbal treatments for fleas and ticks.

In the past two days I've increased her intake of cottage cheese and plain
yoghurt, and I've seen good results re bloat decrease.

Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:54:52 -0800
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: "cushings" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Maggie
Message-ID: <0032d5353200e38UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com>

I have read with concern the postings from Lia Brown regarding her Maggie
and the helplessness she feels at being unable to afford to provide
vetrinary care for her. I have contacted Lia and obtained her postal
address. Eileen and I have forwarded a small contribution to assist Lia in
her efforts. I know it is an unusual procedure to post a person's personal
address, but I also know that we, as a group, are a very caring bunch of dog
lovers. If you feel you can do anything to help Lia and Maggie, Lia's
address is:-

Lia BROWN, 677 Aylmer Street North, Upper Apartment, Peterborough,
Ontario, K9H 3X5, Canada.

I also intend to contact the manufacturers of Anipryl and acquaint them
with Lia's dilemma. Maybe they will take Maggie on as a test case or just
return something for the profits they reap from the rest of us.
Be guided by your hearts,
Eileen and Dave ROBERTS - Terrible Ted likes the idea, too!!

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:34:00 -0800 (PST)
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
Message-ID: <199803142134.NAA03306@acme.csusb.edu>
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Here in Southern California the human form was about $10 cheaper than
Anipryl (dog form). I was paying in the seventies for a 30 day supply of 5
mg Anipryl.

At 06:46 PM 3/13/98 EST, you wrote:
>Thanks for your posting. My poodle is taking 5 mg. for around $76 for a 30 day
>supply. I tried to get the human form of the drug but my vet said it would
>cost $240. I feel that the price we pay is very high. So if you can get the
>generic name I would appreciate it.
>Karen and Buttons
>klink11443
>
>
--
>--------------------------------------------<
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:49:14 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Paw Pads
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Jenny.....

Thanx for your helpful hints. I'm already soaking his feet in Domeboro
solution and then applying Bactoderm which doesn't seem to help. He had
been on Amoxicillin but was nonsensitive to it and is now on Oxacillin.
It's kinda hard to explain where it is raw...it's not actually the pad
itself but the skin in the middle and inbetween the pads. Last night
there was blood all over the place!! Did you dilute the Listerine or
pour directly? I'm afraid it would burn?? We've already been down the
"Epsom salt" road but I really appreciate your info!!

Linda and Schonus

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:44:39 -0500
From: "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
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Subject: RE: ravenous appetite
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Hi,

After reading so many posts where the symptoms are ravenous appetite, it =
makes me wonder. I'm having the opposite problem. Brandy won't eat. I =
have to mix turkey in with her regular food, and half the time she picks =
out the turkey and leaves the rest. She doesn't look thin to me her =
abdomen is very distended, but her weight is way down almost 8 lbs.

I'm taking her Monday for her final set of testing to determine if it is =
Pituitary or Adrenal.

Thanks for this great support group.

Jacci & Brandy

-----Original Message-----
From: Debthg [SMTP:Debthg@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 12:51 PM
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: ravenous appetite

Hello everyone! I have been lurking up until now. This is a great place! =
We
have a 9yr old(next month) Bichon Frise who was just diagnosed with =
Cushing's
(pituitary). He had his first dose of Anipryl today. He is on 10mg/day, =
weighs
15lbs, and the cost is 69.70 for 30 tabs. His diagnosis was a result of =
blood
work in relation to another chronic problem(bladder stones). His alk =
phos. was
elevated so he then had a low dose dex. test which was positive for =
cushing's.
He has not exhibited any signs nor symptom of the disease except for =
lately I
am becoming convinced that his ravenous appetite is indeed a symptom, =
not just
his usual pigish self, as it does all of a sudden seem to be getting to =
be a
real problem. Hindsight is 20/20. I hope, hope, hope, that the Anipryl
alleviates this. It must be so awful for him to feel so starved all the =
time
and his constant teasing is driving me nuts. I feel so guilty eating in =
front
of him. Does anyone else have this problem and if so has the treatment
alleviated it?Thanks. It is nice to meet all of you. Debby, Gerry, and =
Buddy

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:28:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L.Brazin, HSC Libraries Temple Univ" <BRAZIN@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ravenous Appetite
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My Maxine, a nine year olf Lhasa Apso, has been on Lysodren for one
year. It's only been in the last few weeks that she's had a ravenous
appetite, mainly in the morning. She raises ovr to eat the cats' canned
food (butts their heads out of the way, no matter what flavor Fancy
Feast!). She's had close to normal cortisol levels for 6 months on
1/4 tablet of Lysodren 3 times a week. The craving for cat food is
only in the morning, despite the fact that her IAMS is out for her on
another floor. So far she hasn't gained weight.

Cookie Brazin
brazin@hslc.org

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:06:43 -0500
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ravenous Appetite
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Stealing cat food was one of the first symptoms of Cushings for Bo. Even
when we put their dishes way up, like more than five feet up on some
armoires, he would try to find a way to scamble up and get the dishes.
Maybe your dog's Lysodren level isn't high enough.
Judy

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:44:52 -0500
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Paw Pads
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Hi Linda! I am very new to this list. Is licking paws also a symtom of a
Cushingoid dog?
My male is going in on Mon. for a blood test after being on his medication
for one wk. We are just in the intro stage. He is still very bloated but
not as bad as it was a wk. ago. Appetite ravenous and thirsty always.

I wish you good luck and I know that we all wish it to each other.

Patty & Dan

> Jenny.....
>
> Thanx for your helpful hints. I'm already soaking his feet in Domeboro
> solution and then applying Bactoderm which doesn't seem to help. He had
> been on Amoxicillin but was nonsensitive to it and is now on Oxacillin.
> It's kinda hard to explain where it is raw...it's not actually the pad
> itself but the skin in the middle and inbetween the pads. Last night
> there was blood all over the place!! Did you dilute the Listerine or
> pour directly? I'm afraid it would burn?? We've already been down the
> "Epsom salt" road but I really appreciate your info!!
>
> Linda and Schonus

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:53:46 -0500
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Have a question
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Jenny Kellstedt wrote:

> On the Tibetan Terrier listserv this is a frequent topic. The breed is
> very allergic because they haven't existed in the Western World for that
> long. Some suggestions included pouring listerine over the feet and
> filling a bathtub 1/4 full with warm water and epsom salts, letting the
> dog pad around there for 5 minutes. Also, my vet has something called
> wound powder that I dust on after drying the feet. Hope this helps,
>
> Jenny & Sweetie
> jk@bradley.bradley.edu
>
> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, L Boyce wrote:
>
> > Judy.....
> >
> > I forgot to mention that during the 12 day loading phase, his dosage was
> > dropped but even tho it was 12 days...the end result was great....our
> > first normal ACTH test in over a year.
> >
> > Right now I'm fighting a "pad" infection with Schonus. All of his pads
> > are raw and bleeding. My Vet did a C&S (culture and sensitivity test)
> > and found out that we had previously had him on Amoxicillin but that he
> > is nonresponsive to that. That made me a little mad as we gave him
> > something for nothing for two weeks. I just have this "thing" about
> > putting pills into my dog and them not working. He has now been started
> > on Oxacillin for 14 days. In addition to the Amoxicillin we were
> > soaking his feet in Domeboro solution and then applying Bactoderm after
> > each walk.
> >
> > Is anyone else experiencing "pad" problems?
> >
> > Linda & Schonus
> >
> >Dear Linda, my Dandie was recently diagnosed with Cushings. We are in the
> Intro stage and he is having a blood test done on Monday after being on
> Lysodren for seven days. He is still bloated and ravenous for food and water
> but there is slight improvement. What is the story about the pads? Andrew
> does now lick his paws (not really the pads) which he never did before.

Hope you get this note. I am new to the service.

Kisses to your baby.

Patty

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:10:59 -0600
From: "Parnell & Sandi O'Brien" <contentment@worldnet.att.net>
To: Cushings pets forum <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: We're new to this group
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Hello,
I started monitoring your group about a month ago. I've learned alot!
Here's our Cushings story:

We had a 9 year old male basset/beagle mix named Alex who was
diagnosed with Cushings. Alex was never a healthy specimen to begin
with (he was on soloxine for thyroid imbalance and was incontinent)
and this was the final straw for him. We put him on lysodren, and on
the 3rd day he stopped eating and drinking, he vomited, had diarrhea,
became extremely weak, and was leaking a rust red urine. There were
red blotches under his skin. (internal bleeding?) We had him
euthanized - he was near death and had suffered enough.

Kipper the schipperke (also around 9) was diagnosed the following week
with Cushings also. She had all the symptoms - hair loss, panting,
weakness, excessive drinking, big appetite, distended belly. We put
her on lysodren (reluctantly - I was afraid of the stuff after Alex)
and she seemed to improve a bit after about 10 days on it. On day 12,
she was drinking less and her appetite decreased, so we cut the
lysodren dose in half. Day 13 started out with Kip vomiting up her
breakfast and then refusing food and water for the rest of the
morning. She was very weak and seemed disoriented, so in we went to
the vet for a cortisone shot. We discontinued the lysodren and
substituted a daily prednisolone pill for the next 2 days. She seems
better now, her tail is wagging again and her appetite is back. We
will start on depronel (sp?) and see how that works for her.

Sandi

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