CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 27
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Bloat
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
2) Re: Introduction
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
3) Vitamin E
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
4) Re: Anipryl
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
5) Re: Vitamin E
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
6) Re: Anipryl
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
7) Re: Introduction
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
8) (Fwd) [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
9) Re: (Fwd) [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
10) Re: [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
11) Re: Anipryl
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
12) Anipryl
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
13) Vitamin E
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
14) Anipryl
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
15) Re: [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
16) Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
by SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
17) Re: Anipryl
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
18) Re: [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
19) Re: Anipryl
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
20) Re: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
21) Signs of pain in dogs (fwd)
by MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
22) Puppy questions - help?
by kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
23) new subscriber
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
24) Re: Puppy questions - help?
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
25) Re: new subscriber
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
26) Re: (Fwd) [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
27) introducing myself
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
28) Re: Anipryl
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
29) Re: Anipryl
by NLSS2 <NLSS2@aol.com>
30) Re: Anipryl
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
31) Re: Anipryl
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
32) Re: Anipryl
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
33) introduction
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
34) Re: Anipryl
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
35) Re: Anipryl
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
36) Re: introducing myself
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
37) Re: Anipryl (fwd from Ripley)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
38) Re: Anipryl (fwd from Linda)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
39) Re: Anipryl (fwd from Linda)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
40) Anipryl vs Lysodren
by David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
41) Re: introducing myself
by delausa@mailbox.syr.edu (Del Lausa)
42) Re: Anipryl (fwd from Ripley)
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
43) Re: Anipryl
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
44) New to the list
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
45) Re: Anipryl vs Lysodren
by LynneYoung <LynneYoung@aol.com>
46) Re: New to the list
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
47) FWD: Re: Rapid breathing
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
48) Bloat
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
49) Anipryl
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
50) Dailey Canine Routine
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
51) Re: Anipryl vs Lysodren
by Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
52) Re: Anipryl (fwd from Ripley)
by kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
53) Anipryl
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
54) Anipryl
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
55) New to the List
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
56) Re: Anipryl
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
57) Re: Anipryl to Lysodren
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
58) Re: New to the List
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
59) Re: Introduction
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
60) Re: Anipryl
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
61) Re: Anipryl (fwd from Ripley)
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
62) Re: Anipryl
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
63) Re: Anipryl (fwd from Linda)
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
64) Lysodren loading (was Re: Anipryl)
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
65) Re: Anipryl
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
66) Breathing and barking
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
67) FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
68) Re: FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
69) stiffness in back legs
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
70) Re: FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
by Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
71) Re: Introduction
by Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
72) Bonnie
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
73) Changeover
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
74) Anipryl
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
75) Stiffness in Back Legs
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
76) Re: New to the list
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
77) Re: Lysodren, muscle weakness, longevity
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
78) Re: New to the list
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
79) Re: New to the list
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
80) symptoms
by Kelli McKinley <KAMCK@centuryinter.net>
81) Lung Problem
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
82) cushings
by Kelli McKinley <KAMCK@centuryinter.net>
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:26:43 -0600
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bloat
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Judy Antipin Hartheimer wrote:
> I'm not sure where treatment of repeated
> episodes of bloat is at today. They used to sew or staple some dogs'
> stomachs (I don't recall to where) to keep them from rotating
Kurvenal, my Great Dane with Cushings, had stomach torsion and recurrent
bloat as well. His had a gastroplexy--they sewed the stomach into place,
(and removed his spleen, which was destroyed by the stomach torsion),
which has helped prevent further bouts of torsion, but did not, in his
case, prevent further bouts of bloat. He now takes a very low dose of
antibiotics twice daily, so help with stomach motility, and I do
acupressure daily, and we've now gone a record 9 months, (nearly
10 months), without bloat!
For those who would like a great source of information on bloat,
here is Purdue University's bloat research:
http://www.vet.purdue.edu/depts/vad/cae/cgdvweb.html
This web site has the most detailed and up-to-date information
on bloat and stomach torsion.
Jeri kurvenal@ameritech.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:42:18 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Re: Anipryl. A friend had her 16 yo Corgi on Anipryl for Cannine Cognitive
Disfunction (CCD). She signs were panting, pacing, inappropriate barking
(like
she was lost) and occasional "loss" of house training. The Anipryl
helped,
although the dosage had to be increased. You might talk with your vet about
this, you may have both problems.
An alternative might be Vit E. For Ivan (~40 lbs), we worked with 400
IU every
other day. This seemed to help keep his wits with him. Clinical research
tends to back what we saw.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:15:17 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Vitamin E
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Dillon....
Would you explain more about Vitamin E? How is this beneficial?
Linda
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:58:54 EST
From: DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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I just called the Butler Company and was told I could get 5mg. tablets
of
generic Anipryl for $.55 per pill. Its great for people with smaller dogs.
And you could order directly from them. That still adds up to $99/30 days
for
my large dog (poodle 70 lbs.).
They told me that Anipryl sells direct from Pfizer for $1.61 for a 30
mg. tab.
What a markup the vets are charging if this is true! I am trying to reach
Pfizer. I doubt that they would sell directly to an individual, but I'll
see.
The bad news is that our poodle seems to be getting worse even on the
Anipryl,
at this point. Its been 4 1/2 months since he started it and at first it
seemed to really help. So this is the most depressing of all. The vet wants
us
to continue for 2-3 months and test again. So that's where we stand. I am
watching peoples comments for any similar stories and advice. Thanks.
Susan and Spenser
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:38:35 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Vitamin E
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On Mar 23, 7:15pm, L Boyce wrote:
> Subject: Vitamin E
> Dillon....
>
> Would you explain more about Vitamin E? How is this beneficial?
>
> Linda
>
>-- End of excerpt from L Boyce
I really don't know. There was a study that showed that patients in
the early
stages of Alzheimer's benefited from Vit E. The recommended dosage was
600 IU
per day, so that came out as about 200 IU for Ivan.
Apparently it provides some sort of protection to the neural pathways.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:47:53 -0800
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: DesignSue@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Customer service at Pfizer is (800) 733-5500. I didn't speak to them,
I had
my vet call, and this time he said it was $150 a month for my 35-pound dog!
(The last vet didn't actually call, she just asked another vet!!!)
Now, where is the Butler Company, please?
That is depressing that it's not helping your poodle. Aside from the
Cushing's symptoms, did you see any other improvements? Some people are
touting deprinyl as a smart drug and life extender for people.
At 09:58 AM 3/24/98 EST, you wrote:
>I just called the Butler Company and was told I could get 5mg. tablets
of
>generic Anipryl for $.55 per pill. Its great for people with smaller
dogs.
>And you could order directly from them. That still adds up to $99/30
days for
>my large dog (poodle 70 lbs.).
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:43:59 -0800
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Dillon Pyron wrote:
>
> Re: Anipryl. A friend had her 16 yo Corgi on Anipryl for Cannine Cognitive
> Disfunction (CCD). She signs were panting, pacing, inappropriate barking
(like
> she was lost) and occasional "loss" of house training. The
Anipryl helped,
> although the dosage had to be increased. You might talk with your
vet about
> this, you may have both problems.
>
> An alternative might be Vit E. For Ivan (~40 lbs), we worked with
400 IU every
> other day. This seemed to help keep his wits with him. Clinical research
> tends to back what we saw.
>
> --
> dillon pyron
> dillon.pyron@amd.com
> The Army, it's not just an adventure,
> It's 24 months of bad food.
Dillon--thanks for the info about CDD. I think you may be right. I'm
going to talk to our vet and see what she thinks about the Vit. E.
We're just taking one day at a time at this point so I don't think it
could hurt! Thanks again, Ripley, Gucci and Cole (sounds like a law
firm doesn't it?)
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:26:01 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: (Fwd) [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
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DAILY CANINE ROUTINE
The day is divided into two important sections:
Mealtime. And everything else.
I. Mealtime
1. Just because there does not seem to be anything visible around
to eat certainly does not mean there is nothing around to eat.
The act of staring at the underside of a table or chair on which
someone else is eating sets in motion a chain of events that
eventually results in food.
2. It goes without saying that you should carefully check the lower
third of any space for edibles. Mouth-sized things which cannot
be identified by sight or smell are considered gum.
3. When you actually receive a meal, submerge your head into it as
you would a shower. Never, never look up again until a minimum
of at least fifteen minutes after the obvious food is gone. This
is important. Just because your dish is empty does not mean that
it is time to stop eating.
4. Remember that all food is potentially yours up until the time
that it is actually swallowed by another. The lengthy path a
piece of food will take from a plate to a mouth via a hand is
as good a time as any to stake your claim to it.
5. When it comes to selecting an appropriate beverage, location and
packaging mean nothing. There are absolutely no exceptions to
this rule.
6. If you really see something you want, and all your other
attempts at getting it have failed, it is only right to grovel
shamelessly. As a second tactic, stare intently at the object of
your desire, allowing long gelatinous drools to leak like icicles
from your lower lip.
II. Everything Else
1. There are really only two important facial expressions to bother
with: complete and overwhelming joy and nothing at all.
2. Any time that is not meal time is potentially nap time. The best
time to take a nap is when you hear your name being called
repeatedly. The best location for a nap is dead center of any
street or driveway. The most relaxing position is on your side,
all four limbs parallel.
3. The most practical way to get dry is to shake violently near a
fully clothed person. A second effective method is to stand on
a light-colored piece of furniture.
4. Personal Safety
A. At the first hint of any irregular noise, run from room to
room yelling loudly. If someone actually comes into the
house, rush over to them whether you know them or not. Then
kiss them so violently that they lose their balance or have
to force you away physically.
B. The greatest unacknowledged threat to life as we have come
to know it is squirrels. No matter what you must do, make
sure there are none in your yard.
5. Recreation and Leisure
A. Ball: There are two equally amusing sets of rules you will
want to know.
a. The Common Form, in which you receive a thrown ball
and return it.
b. The Preferred Form, in which you receive a thrown ball
and eat it.
B. Car: As you know, any open car door is an invitation to get
in. Once inside, your only goal is to try to get out.
6. Health
A. In the event of a trip to the doctor, always be on your
guard. If you are vaccinated, urinate on the physician.
scarter@cvm.tamu.edu
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:07:19 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: (Fwd) [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
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Thanks Dillon, I think we needed that today, Jackie and Family.
At 01:26 PM 3/24/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
> DAILY CANINE ROUTINE
>
>
>The day is divided into two important sections:
>Mealtime. And everything else.
>
>I. Mealtime
>
> 1. Just because there does not seem to be anything visible around
> to eat certainly does not mean there is nothing around to eat.
> The act of staring at the underside of a table or chair on which
> someone else is eating sets in motion a chain of events that
> eventually results in food.
>
> 2. It goes without saying that you should carefully check the lower
> third of any space for edibles. Mouth-sized things which cannot
> be identified by sight or smell are considered gum.
>
> 3. When you actually receive a meal, submerge your head into it as
> you would a shower. Never, never look up again until a minimum
> of at least fifteen minutes after the obvious food is gone. This
> is important. Just because your dish is empty does not mean that
> it is time to stop eating.
>
> 4. Remember that all food is potentially yours up until the time
> that it is actually swallowed by another. The lengthy path a
> piece of food will take from a plate to a mouth via a hand is
> as good a time as any to stake your claim to it.
> 5. When it comes to selecting an appropriate beverage, location and
> packaging mean nothing. There are absolutely no exceptions to
> this rule.
>
> 6. If you really see something you want, and all your other
> attempts at getting it have failed, it is only right to grovel
> shamelessly. As a second tactic, stare intently at the object
of
> your desire, allowing long gelatinous drools to leak like icicles
> from your lower lip.
>
>II. Everything Else
>
> 1. There are really only two important facial expressions to bother
> with: complete and overwhelming joy and nothing at all.
>
> 2. Any time that is not meal time is potentially nap time. The best
> time to take a nap is when you hear your name being called
> repeatedly. The best location for a nap is dead center of any
> street or driveway. The most relaxing position is on your side,
> all four limbs parallel.
>
> 3. The most practical way to get dry is to shake violently near a
> fully clothed person. A second effective method is to stand on
> a light-colored piece of furniture.
>
> 4. Personal Safety
>
> A. At the first hint of any irregular noise, run from room to
> room yelling loudly. If someone actually comes into the
> house, rush over to them whether you know them or not. Then
> kiss them so violently that they lose their balance or have
> to force you away physically.
>
> B. The greatest unacknowledged threat to life as we have come
> to know it is squirrels. No matter what you must do, make
>
> sure there are none in your yard.
>
> 5. Recreation and Leisure
>
> A. Ball: There are two equally amusing sets of rules you will
> want to know.
>
> a. The Common Form, in which you receive a thrown ball
> and return it.
>
> b. The Preferred Form, in which you receive a thrown ball
> and eat it.
>
> B. Car: As you know, any open car door is an invitation to get
> in. Once inside, your only goal is to try to get out.
>
> 6. Health
>
> A. In the event of a trip to the doctor, always be on your
> guard. If you are vaccinated, urinate on the physician.
>
>
>scarter@cvm.tamu.edu
>
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>
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon.pyron@amd.com
>The Army, it's not just an adventure,
>It's 24 months of bad food.
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:16:14 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
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Due to the nature of this list, we tend to be a little glum. I hope
a little
humour (which is far too close to the truth :-) helps everyone get through
the
day.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:21:41 -0600
From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: DesignSue@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Rudy's Anipryl is 15mg (he gets 1/2 tab daily). Thirty of them (two
months
worth) are $80 or $2.66 each. Our vet said the 5mg were the same price
-
$80 for 30! At $2.66 are they marking each tablet up $1? Seems steep!
Rudy has been on it for 17 days and seems a little better, weakness a
little less pronounced, but he really seems sort of confused. Is this
normal? For those of you who have been on it a little longer, how long
did
it take for you to notice a change?
Thanks for the info and the group!
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:51:05 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl
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Susan....
When Schonus was diagnosed he was started on Anipryl....first month he
was like him old self again but we kept him on it for six months and he
just kept getting worse as the months passed. My Vet wanted to start
Lysodren the fourth month but I just kept hoping that the Anipryl would
work. Now I need vitamins to keep up with him!!
Was Spenser diagnosed pituitary or adrenal gland related? How old is
he? I'm sorry if I missed any of your previous messages if you already
stated this....
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:53:46 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Vitamin E
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Dillon...
Thanks! Think I'll question my Vet about it!!
Linda
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:11:41 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl
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OK...I just dug out my old Vet bill receipts to check on how much
Anipryl was costing us. At the time Schonus was a *big* boy and was on
45 mgs. daily.
According to my receipt...we paid $57.86 for 30 tablets of 30 mg.
tablets. So...for a one month's supply we were paying $115.72 a month.
The only address I see on the box is "Deprenyl Animal Health, Inc.,
Overland Park, Kansas 66210.
If anyone would like...I can ask my Vet for the phone number so your
Vet
can call the same place to order for you?
Linda
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:05:53 -0800
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
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The food part is exactly like my dog--and she never used to be like this.
I
know "intense hunger" is one of the symptoms, but still!
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:10:54 EST
From: SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
To: Cushings-Pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
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I've been feeding my Cushinoid raw food since October. I'm talking about
raw
lamb, beef, turkey, chicken, veggies, fruits and nuts. He's tolerated
everything fine. Sure, you have to start slow and move them over gradually,
but he never had a problem with it. And so far, along with nutritional
supplements, that's all I've treated the Cushings with. We decided "no
drugs"
and he seems pleased with the decision. He's doing very well.
As far as vaccinations, all I've read and what my holistic vet says agrees
with (someone posted) initial set of puppy shots, rabies every 3 years,
titers, boosters only when necessary and *always* separate... never give
more
than one vaccination at a time... always 2 weeks apart. Vaccinations, in
general, weaken the dog's natural immunity.
Here are some sites I've found: http://www.altvetmed.com/vaccine.html
and: http://www.gld.com/~shrado/loops.htm
Hope this helps.
Lori
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:45:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Sweetie has been up-and-down on the Anipryl for the past week, but today
she was so lethargic that I called the (new) vet and he told me to take
her off it and call him Friday. I had to hand-feed her water in order to
get her to drink, although (!!!) she ate her breakfast willingly. At this
point she is very bloated and I did not witness her urinating at all
today, although the vet said if she's eating and drinking then the kidneys
are functioning. She's also been barking at the TV, esp. at this one
commercial where a Golden Retriever runs towards the camera (a GR once
attacked her during a walk). She has always enjoyed watching TV, but now
she raises quite a fuss/racket when I put it on, i.e. she's barking more
often, at inconsequential things (NOT like her).
Her new vet is very conversant with Lysodren but wary of Anipryl, and
he
would also like to see Sweetie navigating without the effect of any drug
so he can gauge the severity of her illness. What can I expect as I wean
her off the Anipryl?
Jenny & Sweetie (Everything is consequential, esp. GRs attacking
me)
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, DesignSue wrote:
> I just called the Butler Company and was told I could get 5mg. tablets
of
> generic Anipryl for $.55 per pill. Its great for people with smaller
dogs.
> And you could order directly from them. That still adds up to $99/30
days for
> my large dog (poodle 70 lbs.).
>
> They told me that Anipryl sells direct from Pfizer for $1.61 for a
30 mg. tab.
> What a markup the vets are charging if this is true! I am trying to
reach
> Pfizer. I doubt that they would sell directly to an individual, but
I'll see.
>
> The bad news is that our poodle seems to be getting worse even on the
Anipryl,
> at this point. Its been 4 1/2 months since he started it and at first
it
> seemed to really help. So this is the most depressing of all. The vet
wants us
> to continue for 2-3 months and test again. So that's where we stand.
I am
> watching peoples comments for any similar stories and advice. Thanks.
>
> Susan and Spenser
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:45:28 -0800
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
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Dillon Pyron wrote:
>
> Due to the nature of this list, we tend to be a little glum. I hope
a little
> humour (which is far too close to the truth :-) helps everyone get
through the
> day.
>
> --
> dillon pyron
> dillon.pyron@amd.com
> The Army, it's not just an adventure,
> It's 24 months of bad food.
Thanks Dillon :-)
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:50:01 -0800
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Jody McCann wrote:
>
> Rudy's Anipryl is 15mg (he gets 1/2 tab daily). Thirty of them (two
months
> worth) are $80 or $2.66 each. Our vet said the 5mg were the same price
-
> $80 for 30! At $2.66 are they marking each tablet up $1? Seems steep!
> Rudy has been on it for 17 days and seems a little better, weakness
a
> little less pronounced, but he really seems sort of confused. Is this
> normal? For those of you who have been on it a little longer, how
long did
> it take for you to notice a change?
> Thanks for the info and the group!
Gucci's been on Anipryl since Oct 97. It took her about three weeks to
normal up once she started on it. She takes one 30mg tab daily (she's
about 37 pounds). We pay 65.00 for a thirty day supply but it's been
worth it. Keep it up. I know Rudy's worth it too!
Ripley
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:08:24 -0500
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
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SheltyLove wrote:
> I've been feeding my Cushinoid raw food since October. I'm talking
about raw
> lamb, beef, turkey, chicken, veggies, fruits and nuts. He's tolerated
> everything fine. Sure, you have to start slow and move them over gradually,
> but he never had a problem with it. And so far, along with nutritional
> supplements, that's all I've treated the Cushings with. We decided
"no drugs"
> and he seems pleased with the decision. He's doing very well.
>
> As far as vaccinations, all I've read and what my holistic vet says
agrees
> with (someone posted) initial set of puppy shots, rabies every 3 years,
> titers, boosters only when necessary and *always* separate... never
give more
> than one vaccination at a time... always 2 weeks apart. Vaccinations,
in
> general, weaken the dog's natural immunity.
>
> Here are some sites I've found: http://www.altvetmed.com/vaccine.html
> and: http://www.gld.com/~shrado/loops.htm
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Lori
Dear Lori, I have 3 terriers. My husband and I have always interspersed
raw
meat into their diets. We give them only good meat which is grinded up
in a
KitchenAid grinder. They also love RAW potatoes and vegs and apples. I
understand your apprehension about the dosage of vaccinations but do wonder
if you
are correct in waiting the lenth of time you described especially with the
rabies
vaccine. What holistic methods do you advise? I am most interested.
Patty and Dan
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:12:45 -0500 (EST)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Signs of pain in dogs (fwd)
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Hi all. Here's something my mom forwarded to me about, well, indicators
of pain (both general and dog-specific. Apparently it differs depending
on the species).
Hope it's helpful for everyone....
Lia
==============================================================================
"The slogan `Vote for me and I'll lend you my pants', can often
be
misconstrued" ---Jerry Boyle, This Hour Has 22 Minutes
Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
lmbrown@trentu.ca anlmb@blaze.trentu.ca
==============================================================================
Palpatine's dead. Vote Wedge. Antilles/Celchu '00!
As promised, info on signs of pain in dogs:
An animal in pain, regardless of species, usually displays one or more
of
the following signs:
-- attraction to the area of pain
-- increased skeletal muscle tone
-- altered electroencephalogram response
-- pupillary dilation
-- change in the respiratory pattern
SIGNS OF ACUTE PAIN:
-- protection of the painful part
-- vocalization (esp. on movement or palpation of painful area)
-- licking
-- biting
-- scratching or shaking of affected area
-- restlessness
-- pacing
-- sweating
-- increased rate of respiration
DOGS
Dogs in pain generally appear quieter and less alert with stiff body
movements and an unwillingness to move. In severe pain the dog may lie
still and adopt a crouching attitude. In less severe states it may appear
restless. There may be inappetence and shiverng and increased respirations
with panting. Spontaneous barking is unlikely, the dog is more likely to
whimper or howl, especially if unattended and may growl without apparent
provocation. A dog may bite or scratch at painful regions and may become
more vicious when handled.
(Latter section reprinted from "Guidelines for the recognition and
assessment of pain in animals," The Veterinary Record (UK)
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:45:49 -0800 (PST)
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Puppy questions - help?
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I have been watching Loki grow - he'll be 12 weeks old this coming Thursday
- and since I haven't had a puppy in so many years I am a bit rusty. I
was
hoping people here might help me out with their experience. My main question
right now is, is it normal for him to have days where he can't seem to get
enough food and then days where he seems to only want a little bit? Also,
he used to poop every time he peed and now he only poops two or three times
a day. Of course, we switched from water-soaked food to dry food (same
brand, just quit soaking it) at about the same time. We're feeding him
Nutro puppy (which I used to think was good, but reading here I keep
wondering - am I somehow *setting him up* for Cushings?). He goes through
these crazy fits of intense, running around biting on everything energy
and
then flops down and sleeps for a hour or so. He especially likes to do
this
at 3 or 4 in the morning. Is that just puppiness?
Thanks!
--
>--------------------------------------------<
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:33:13 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: new subscriber
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Our 9 year old Sheltie has just been diagnosed with Cushings and we will
be for
ever grateful to the new vet who has just bought the practice we go to and
picked up his symptoms the first time we met! Kelly (who has had inflammatory
bowel disease since he was 12 months old) was diagnosed with thryoidism
15
months ago - just so we wouldn't get complacent with that, he also developed
Bell's Palsy and a benign tumour on his 3rd eyelid which was successfully
removed 8 months ago. Last November his appetite increased dramatically
( a
plus as he had been a finicky eater all his life), fluid intake rocketed
and he
began panting almost non-stop. As we were having an incredibly hot Summer
we
decided to have him clipped to reduce the heat level which we (and the vet
agreed) thought was the problem. There was no obvious relief but at the
end of
January a new vet took over - asked me a few questions about his behaviour
and
made a tentative diagnosis. The day we took Kelly for the blood tests
to
confirm it, he was attacked by a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and badly mauled
on
his flank. This was an absolute nightmare - his wounds required stitches
initially but then due to the reduced healing ability with Cushings, he
ended up
being kenneled for a week at the Clinic, had further surgery with the wounds
having to be flushed out 3 times a day. Three weeks down the track I think
we've won! The wounds are mainly healed, the Lysodren seems to be doing
it's
job and his fluid intake has reduced from over 3 litres a day to 750 mils
and
we're back to having a very fussy eater!!! But it is all still a bit
frightening. Finding this 'List' was a god-send as we don't know of anybody
else with an animal with this problem and though our vet is extremely helpful
(rings every second day to check on his progress) it's great to be able
to
communicate with other pet lovers who are experiencing similar problems....
We will be following the list and other's experiences with great interest....
Ann & John Cooper,
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:17:29 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Puppy questions - help?
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It's normal for a dog to go through periods of not wanting to eat, and
sometimes being very hungry. Some dogs are well known to be "food
motivated".
Molly was a slow eater, sometimes wouldn't eat. Ivan, of course, was a
scarfer until we had the Cushings under control. Bonnie, being a Corgi
(the
afformentioned "food motivated" breed :-), inhales her food.
At about 12-14 weeks, the puppy's GI system has developed a more normal
routine
and can now handle longer spells.
Once burned, twice shy. I think Loki is doing okay, he sounds like a
delightful puppy.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:19:21 -0600
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: new subscriber
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Welcome John and Ann I'm sure you will find this list very helpful -- Ruthann
John & Ann Cooper wrote:
> Our 9 year old Sheltie has just been diagnosed with Cushings and
we will be for
> ever grateful to the new vet who has just bought the practice we go
to and
> picked up his symptoms the first time we met! Kelly (who has had
inflammatory
> bowel disease since he was 12 months old) was diagnosed with thryoidism
15
> months ago - just so we wouldn't get complacent with that, he also
developed
> Bell's Palsy and a benign tumour on his 3rd eyelid which was successfully
> removed 8 months ago. Last November his appetite increased dramatically
( a
> plus as he had been a finicky eater all his life), fluid intake rocketed
and he
> began panting almost non-stop. As we were having an incredibly hot
Summer we
> decided to have him clipped to reduce the heat level which we (and
the vet
> agreed) thought was the problem. There was no obvious relief but
at the end of
> January a new vet took over - asked me a few questions about his behaviour
and
> made a tentative diagnosis. The day we took Kelly for the blood tests
to
> confirm it, he was attacked by a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and badly
mauled on
> his flank. This was an absolute nightmare - his wounds required stitches
> initially but then due to the reduced healing ability with Cushings,
he ended up
> being kenneled for a week at the Clinic, had further surgery with the
wounds
> having to be flushed out 3 times a day. Three weeks down the track
I think
> we've won! The wounds are mainly healed, the Lysodren seems to be
doing it's
> job and his fluid intake has reduced from over 3 litres a day to 750
mils and
> we're back to having a very fussy eater!!! But it is all still a bit
> frightening. Finding this 'List' was a god-send as we don't know
of anybody
> else with an animal with this problem and though our vet is extremely
helpful
> (rings every second day to check on his progress) it's great to be
able to
> communicate with other pet lovers who are experiencing similar problems....
> We will be following the list and other's experiences with great interest....
> Ann & John Cooper,
> janda@iconz.co.nz
> Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:21:15 -0600
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: (Fwd) [CORGI-L] DAILY CANINE ROUTINE - humor (NCC)
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Thanks Dillon -- We all needed this -- it could have been written by
my
Rottweiler. -- Ruthann
Dillon Pyron wrote:
> DAILY CANINE ROUTINE
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:16:08 -0800
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: introducing myself
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Hello all, I, too am so glad to find this list.
My 14-year-old terrier mix, Amaryllis, was only tentatively diagnosed
with
Cushing's mid-February. I say tentatively because my first vet kept doing
tests and getting what he said were inconclusive results.
But her symptoms were so clear that as soon as I heard about Cushing's
I
knew that's what it was--intense appetite, drinking tons of water, peeing
lots of clear urine, hair loss. I think it started as much as two years
ago, but the water/pee thing began last September. I thought at first it
was simply old age.
So, I'd spent $400 on tests with this vet, and he said he couldn't start
treating her until he knew for sure whether it was pituitary or adrenal,
and that they might need to do exploratory surgery to be sure!
Meanwhile, I'd been doing lots of research on Anipryl, which sounds like
it
might have positive side-effects and couldn't hurt. I wanted to start her
on Anipryl right away, since my understanding is 85 percent of Cushing's
is
pituitary-related, but he refused. Unfortunately, my budget for vet
services is limited, plus, once I knew something was wrong, I wanted to
start helping her.
So, I went to a new vet who was willing to start treatment, but told
me
Anipryl would cost $400 a month. I got him to call Pfizer, then he told
me
it would be *only* $150 a month, still more than I can afford.
I'm desperate to connect with a cheaper source, otherwise we start Lysodren
on Friday. I don't like the idea of killing part of her adrenal glands.
I'm so happy to have found other people for advice, support and anecdotal
information. Thanks!
Susan
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:22:31 -0800
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Well, I just called them and they don't own the product any more, they
referred me back to Pfizer (once again, (800) 366-5288). Maybe what's
happend is, when Pfizer bought the rights, they upped the price a lot. Bah!
At 07:11 PM 3/24/98 -0400, Linda wrote:
>OK...I just dug out my old Vet bill receipts to check on how much
>Anipryl was costing us. At the time Schonus was a *big* boy and was
on
>45 mgs. daily.
>
>According to my receipt...we paid $57.86 for 30 tablets of 30 mg.
>tablets. So...for a one month's supply we were paying $115.72 a month.
>The only address I see on the box is "Deprenyl Animal Health, Inc.,
>Overland Park, Kansas 66210.
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:37:53 EST
From: NLSS2 <NLSS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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How do I get removed from the chushings list? I signed up at work and
I am
afraid I have been getting too much e-mail regarding cushings, and while
it is
helpful, I don't want to get in trouble. Thanks in advance for responding.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:47:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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How long has Schonus been on Lysodren? How long was he off the Anipryl
before starting the Lysodren treatment, and did the Cushings symptoms
(panting, etc.) resume full-blast during that interim period?
Jenny & Sweetie (good today, off Anipryl)
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, L Boyce wrote:
> Susan....
>
> When Schonus was diagnosed he was started on Anipryl....first month
he
> was like him old self again but we kept him on it for six months and
he
> just kept getting worse as the months passed. My Vet wanted to start
> Lysodren the fourth month but I just kept hoping that the Anipryl would
> work. Now I need vitamins to keep up with him!!
>
> Was Spenser diagnosed pituitary or adrenal gland related? How old
is
> he? I'm sorry if I missed any of your previous messages if you already
> stated this....
>
> Linda & Schonus
>
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:29:14 -0500
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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FYI:
For those of the group who might ne be aware, Anipryl is the animal form
of the
drug Deprenyl. Deprenyl is the drug of choice for persons suffering from
Parkinson's Disease.
Susan Kuchinskas wrote:
> Well, I just called them and they don't own the product any more,
they
> referred me back to Pfizer (once again, (800) 366-5288). Maybe what's
> happend is, when Pfizer bought the rights, they upped the price a lot.
Bah!
>
> At 07:11 PM 3/24/98 -0400, Linda wrote:
> >OK...I just dug out my old Vet bill receipts to check on how much
> >Anipryl was costing us. At the time Schonus was a *big* boy and
was on
> >45 mgs. daily.
> >
> >According to my receipt...we paid $57.86 for 30 tablets of 30 mg.
> >tablets. So...for a one month's supply we were paying $115.72
a month.
> >The only address I see on the box is "Deprenyl Animal Health,
Inc.,
> >Overland Park, Kansas 66210.
> >
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:49:53 -0600
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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My 7-1/2 year old mini schnauzer, Ginger, has been on Anipryl for 7
months
now. It took a couple of months before we saw a significant change.
Within a couple of weeks of starting with the 10mg tablets, the excessive
water consumption went down and she seemed peppier and more alert. It
seemed to take a while for her to start acting like her "normal"
self. I
have noticed recently though, that she has good days and bad days, one day
she's bouncing around like a puppy, and then the next day, it looks like
she has trouble getting up, but once up, she's running around again.
Yesterday, I got the results back from her Cushing's retest, and everything
is at normal levels, so I am happy for that. Good luck with Rudy and you
should see improvement over time. So far Anipryl is working for Ginger,
and we keep our fingers crossed that it will continue to help her.
Sue Okoniewski
and Ginger
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:58:46 -0500
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: introduction
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Hi, This is a letter of introduction. I actually found this group in
January and have been reading the posts for a long time. I started the
process of testing my 10.5 year old Welsh Terrier back in December for
possible Cushing's disease. We did all the blood work including
low-dose and high-dose dex suppression tests, ACTH tests, etc. The tests
seemed to go on and on. The worst was waiting for the results which
seemed to never get here. My vet suggested that I take my dog to see a
specialist at Tufts Veterinary Medical Center in Massachussetts. She
did ultrasound tests to search for any tumor and found a tumor on the
right adrenal gland. Further searching has indicated that her liver,
kidneys, and nearby organs all look healthy. They also performed a
metastization radiograph to check her chest cavity. That also came out
normal. We started treatment with Lysodren today. Here's hoping that
she goes through the loading phase well.
I have done lots of reading on the subject and have learned many things
from this list. I am keeping my fingers crossed that we weather the
storm.
Jane and Colby
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:26:27 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Sue and Ginger, great news to hear, that's what we all like to hear,
hope it
continues. Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir.
At 02:49 PM 3/25/98 -0600, you wrote:
>My 7-1/2 year old mini schnauzer, Ginger, has been on Anipryl for 7
months
>now. It took a couple of months before we saw a significant change.
>Within a couple of weeks of starting with the 10mg tablets, the excessive
>water consumption went down and she seemed peppier and more alert.
It
>seemed to take a while for her to start acting like her "normal"
self. I
>have noticed recently though, that she has good days and bad days, one
day
>she's bouncing around like a puppy, and then the next day, it looks
like
>she has trouble getting up, but once up, she's running around again.
>Yesterday, I got the results back from her Cushing's retest, and everything
>is at normal levels, so I am happy for that. Good luck with Rudy and
you
>should see improvement over time. So far Anipryl is working for Ginger,
>and we keep our fingers crossed that it will continue to help her.
>
>Sue Okoniewski
>and Ginger
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:34:10 -0800
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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At 03:29 PM 3/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>FYI:
>
>For those of the group who might ne be aware, Anipryl is the animal
form
of the
>drug Deprenyl. Deprenyl is the drug of choice for persons suffering
from
>Parkinson's Disease.
Not only that, but people are touting it as a "smart drug"
and as a
life-extender/enhancer.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:23:27 -0500
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: introducing myself
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Susan, you are new to list, so you haven't had the opportunity the hear
from members who have had excellent results with Lysodren. The success
rate is much higher than with Anipryl, according to statistics and the
responses from people on this list. My own dog Bo (terrier mix, age 11)
has been on Lysodren for over a year, and it is like having the old Bo
back in most respects. He only gets a fairly small maintenance dose now.
When he had active Cushings, I couldn't see how he was going to last
much longer, given his food and water intake and how enlarged his belly
was. There has been much back and forth on the list with some people
(seems to me mainly those who hadn't tried it) expressing a lot of "fear
and loathing'' toward Lysodren, calling it poison, etc. because of the
method of its action. I'm more interested in results. In my own case, a
dog that seemed like he was at death's door is now enjoying pretty good
health and quality of life because of this medicine. If you're
determined to try Anipryl, by all means do it, but don't put all your
hopes on it. Maybe you could check out some websites that describe human
Cushings, and other resources. Talk to vets other than the one you are
using now - doesn't sound like he has much experience with Cushings.
Judy
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:56:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl (fwd from Ripley)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Ripley wrote:
Sue, I'm glad to hear about Ginger. It gives me hope with Gucci since
she also has good and bad days. Good luck and God bless!
Ripley, Gucci and Cole
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:07:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl (fwd from Linda)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
Susan....
I would be more than happy to ask my Vet for the phone number or
address as to where he ordered our pills...we were paying $225 for a one
month suppy. Let me know!
Linda....
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:13:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl (fwd from Linda)
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Sorry for the many forwarded messages, folks, the listserv software had
a
hiccup or something today and I'm cleaning up the mess...
What follows are some great words of wisdom from Linda, with whom I'm
completely agree. I'm so proud of Schonus' progress--I think he's earned
the status of Cushing's poster dog!
Hug all of your doggies for me, as I'm missing my own a lot tonight,
-Leslie
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:26:20 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
Subject: Anipryl
Jenny.....
There was no interim period between stopping the Anipryl and beginning
the Lysodren. While he was on the Anipryl he still drank tons of water,
his belly still was very distended and when he went for his walks...he
would walk like a *drunk* (for lack of a better expression)...staggered
all over the place instead of "stepping out".
The last thing in the world I wanted was to start him on Lysodren...I
was so afraid of the effects and was deathly afraid he wouldn't be able
to tolerate it with all his other problems. But with the helpful
information I received here and finally facing the fact..."it was
time"....he is doing absolutely great!! In fact...he had his belly
shaved for two ultrasounds and now is the proud owner of his first "new"
patch of hair regrowth. He no longer is panting...his urine is finally
yellow....belly is not distended at all...in fact, he's toning up real
well!
If my memory serves me right...I think Schonus started Lysodren at the
very beginning of this year. I do remember that I did have to wait a
couple of days for the Lysodren as our local pharmacy had to order it
but that was all. We actually got our first *normal* ACTH test on
February 9th!!
We had to do two loading phases on Schonus....first loading phase was
not long enough but the second time we went a few days longer. Trust
me...I had my eye on him 24/7!! I was so afraid of a reaction..but my
Vet sent me home with 5 mg. tablets of Prednisone just in case. He did
tolerate both loading phases quite well....
Linda
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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 1990 03:22:49 -0600
From: David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl vs Lysodren
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At 07:23 PM 3/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Susan, you are new to list, so you haven't had the opportunity the hear
>from members who have had excellent results with Lysodren. The success
>rate is much higher than with Anipryl, according to statistics and the
>responses from people on this list. My own dog Bo (terrier mix, age
11)
>has been on Lysodren for over a year, and it is like having the old
Bo
>back in most respects. He only gets a fairly small maintenance dose
now.
>When he had active Cushings, I couldn't see how he was going to last
>much longer, given his food and water intake and how enlarged his belly
>was. There has been much back and forth on the list with some people
>(seems to me mainly those who hadn't tried it) expressing a lot of "fear
>and loathing'' toward Lysodren, calling it poison, etc. because of the
>method of its action. I'm more interested in results. In my own case,
a
>dog that seemed like he was at death's door is now enjoying pretty good
>health and quality of life because of this medicine. If you're
>determined to try Anipryl, by all means do it, but don't put all your
>hopes on it. Maybe you could check out some websites that describe human
>Cushings, and other resources. Talk to vets other than the one you are
>using now - doesn't sound like he has much experience with Cushings.
>Judy
>
>
Susan,
I agree with Judy. My 10 year old Sheltie, Feisal, was a "therapeutic
failure" on selegiline (anipryl). I have now returned to Lysodren,
Feisal
is just finishing the loading phase. The statistic we got was that anipryl
failure rate was about 40%.
good luck
dave & Feisal
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:36:51 -0500
From: delausa@mailbox.syr.edu (Del Lausa)
To: hautlynx@sirius.com
Cc: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Susan,
I don't have time for a long response, but did want to say something. Like
you, i saw more than one vet before a diagnosis with my then eight year
old
gsd x collie. He was in pretty bad shape when I found my current vet, whose
diagnosis was thorough and accurate. This was before anipryl, so we began
the lysodren, which has kept Willie healthy and happy for three years, now.
I know the lysodren is scary--I am a vegan who NEVER eats an artificial
chemical myself. I don't like the idea of giving my dog pesticides; BUT,
this is an extreme situation. The lysodren gives quality of life and even
extends life for many dogs with cushings; and if you and your vet are
attentive and well-informed (as you obviously are), the lysodren may be
a
more effective treatment for you than the anipryl. If you can afford the
anipryl, I think you should try it; but if you can't, you should not
despair. Three years ago, when Willie was diagnosed, the average life span
after diagnosis was six months. Now that vets and researchers are paying
more attention to the disease, three or more years is not uncommon.
I'm just a person with a beloved pet--no other expertise than that--but
I
just wanted you to know that the lysodren is an absolute miracle for many
many more dogs than the anipryl has helped to date. Many dogs who do not
respond to the anipryl are saved by lysodren. So, please don't give up,
and
don't worry so much about the poison that you overlook the cure.
Good luck with your ordeal--it gets easier, and if you are lucky, it
becomes a way of life.
del
At 8:16 AM 3/25/98, Susan Kuchinskas wrote:
>Hello all, I, too am so glad to find this list.
>
>My 14-year-old terrier mix, Amaryllis, was only tentatively diagnosed
with
>Cushing's mid-February. I say tentatively because my first vet kept
doing
>tests and getting what he said were inconclusive results.
>
>But her symptoms were so clear that as soon as I heard about Cushing's
I
>knew that's what it was--intense appetite, drinking tons of water, peeing
>lots of clear urine, hair loss. I think it started as much as two years
>ago, but the water/pee thing began last September. I thought at first
it
>was simply old age.
>
>So, I'd spent $400 on tests with this vet, and he said he couldn't start
>treating her until he knew for sure whether it was pituitary or adrenal,
>and that they might need to do exploratory surgery to be sure!
>
>Meanwhile, I'd been doing lots of research on Anipryl, which sounds
like it
>might have positive side-effects and couldn't hurt. I wanted to start
her
>on Anipryl right away, since my understanding is 85 percent of Cushing's
is
>pituitary-related, but he refused. Unfortunately, my budget for vet
>services is limited, plus, once I knew something was wrong, I wanted
to
>start helping her.
>
>So, I went to a new vet who was willing to start treatment, but told
me
>Anipryl would cost $400 a month. I got him to call Pfizer, then he told
me
>it would be *only* $150 a month, still more than I can afford.
>
>I'm desperate to connect with a cheaper source, otherwise we start Lysodren
>on Friday. I don't like the idea of killing part of her adrenal glands.
>
>I'm so happy to have found other people for advice, support and anecdotal
>information. Thanks!
>
>Susan
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:45:31 -0600
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Anipryl (fwd from Ripley)
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Thank you all for your good wishes.
Another problem I am experiencing with Ginger for about two weeks now,
is
that she has rapid breathing. The vet did EKG and chest x-rays which he
sent to New Jersey to have read - diagnosis seems to be that she has lost
some of the elasticity in her lungs. Her heart is okay. She is not
panting, nor is she struggling to breathe; it is shallow and fast. We
have put her on a small dosage of a aminophylline (a bronchodilator) to
help her out. This bothers me more that it does her as she runs around,
plays with our younger dog, etc., but occasionally she gets carried away
and has to stop and catch her breath.
Has anyone else experienced this and is this a part of the Cushing's
syndrome?
Sue Okoniewski
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:51:21 EST
From: DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Linda, thanks for your reply regarding Spenser.
Spenser was diagnosed with pituitary cushings in October. He's about
8 1/2 yrs
now, a large Standard Poodle (70lbs). How exactly did Schonus make the change
from Anipryl to Lysodren? How much time did it take? It sounds like he's
doing
really great now. How is he being maintained?
Thanks for any info. The vet isn't suggesting anything at all except
keeping
him on Anipryl. This doesn't make much sense if it is not working. His
previously mild Cushings is getting more visible (skin changes), though
the
latest bloodwork shows the his alk. phosphate level is up to 527 and SGPT
is
at 139, (no dexamethasone test at this time).
By the way, just to throw this in to the ongoing Anipryl discussion,
my
information is that Pfizer is charging about $1.60 or so for a 30 mg. tablet
but they sell direct only to vets, no wholesalers or mail order companies.
So
its up to the vets to mark it up, which they are definitely doing. If you
want
it for a reasonable price, you have to find a vet who charges decent prices
which I have not been able to do.
Again, thanks to Linda. Hearing your story is helpful.
susan and spenser
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:06:50 -0800
From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: New to the list
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Our dog Amber, 9 1/2 year old (lab/golden retreiver) was diagnosed with
Cushings in the middle of February 1998. She went in for her routine
physical and I had mentioned to her vet her increase water intake and
urination. He did a blood test on her and she came back with high
cortisol levels. He then did the 8 hour ACTH test on her and it came
back positive that she had Cushings. We then had an ultrasound done and
found out it was Pituitary. She started out on the Lysodren 2X daily.
Her vet told us to wait for the side effects (shaking, loss of appetite,
decrease water consumption and vomiting). After two days she began to
shake and of course it was during off hours. We took her to the
emergency vet and her heart rate was sky high. They gave her an IV and
catherized her, did the blood test which showed no change in her levels
and kept her for observation. We took her to her vet the next day and
he cut her back to 1X daily. He feels that she is a very high stressed
dog when she comes to his office. We are not sure if we overreacted or
not but we feel it is better to be safe than sorry. She had another
blood test two weeks later still no change so he increased it back to 2x
daily. She has been back on the Lysodren 2X daily for the past 2 weeks
and her water consumption has decreased and this morning she finally did
not finish her food. I took her down this morning to get her levels
checked again. I hope it will be good news and she can now go on
maintenance. She used to sleep in the house at night but now prefers
outside. I think the cushings makes her overheated and the cool patio
soothes her. I have been reading the messages since her diagnoses and
she does not seem to have any hair loss, her weight gain is minimal, and
we have yet to see any bloat. With the ultrasound her tummy was shaved
so it is quite noticeable and you can feel the coldness of the water
after she has drunk it. She has shown muscle weakness in her hind legs
because she is now unable to jump on our four poster bed. I am sorry if
I have rambled on too much. I want to thank you all for your messages
it makes our life and her life much easier to know there are others who
care so much for their dogs.
Amber, Melissa and the rest of the gang
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:19:27 EST
From: LynneYoung <LynneYoung@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs Lysodren
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I agree.. Heaven has been on Lysadren for almost 4 years now and is perfectly
heralthy, and on a v
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:09:44 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: nothingwitty@earthlink.net, cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New to the list
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In my opinion, any with a dog (or cat, haven't seen any here, yet) on
Lysodren
should have a small supply of Prednisone handy. We were told that, should
he
show any signs of toxcicity, one or two doses of pred, about 4 hours apart,
would do the trick. Never had to use it, but I believe at least one other
person here has, with good results. Ask your vet for some.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:06:16 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: FWD: Re: Rapid breathing
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>> Another problem I am experiencing with Ginger for about two weeks
now,
is that she has rapid breathing.
>>
>> Has anyone else experienced this and is this a part of the Cushing's
>> syndrome?
>
>Yes! Vincent was diagnosed with Cushing's in January of this year.
He
>loaded well on Lysodren, and has been taking it for a month now. All
in
>all he's doing very well, but I have noticed him breathing just as you
>described lately. Sometimes he makes a little wheezy noise as well.
>His energy and appetite are fine, though. He's due for a blood test
>next Friday, but I'm thinking about taking him in before that. Maybe
a
>chest x-ray would be a good idea.
>
>Take care everyone,
>
>Sandy and Vincent
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:50:32 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bloat
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Bloat really sounds horrible. Our hearts go out to those who have to
deal with
it on top of everything else.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:52:55 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl
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Susan,
Sorry to hear your poodle is getting worse. Hae had an ultra-sound
to see
if he might have an adrenal tumor? If it's an adrenal tumor, anipryl won't
work.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:54:27 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Dailey Canine Routine
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Dillon,
Your "Daily Canine Routine" is great! We loved it!!
Thanks,
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:39:59 EST
From: Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs Lysodren
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I am glad to see some posts,although few, that indicate that their dogs
are
doing well on Anipryl. Our dog has been on it for 2 weeks now and I really
hope it works. Our vet likes to go with the Anipryl first. Buddy supposedley
has "early cushing's" and essentially has no symptoms. In hindsight,
his
ravenous appetite could be a symptom but it is hard to tell since he has
always been a great eater. I know that hair loss is also a symptom and he
does
seem to have one small area which looks to be a potential loss of hair.
I know
it sounds funny to not know for sure but he is a Bichon and anyone familiar
with the breed knows what beautiful coats they can have and a little patch
of
hair loss may be hard to detect unless you are looking for it, which of
course
we are.It is so easy to get paranoid about every little thing now --when
he
pants for about 3 seconds I say to myself, "oh no, he is panting now"
lol. I
guess it is nice to know that there is the ever popular and well received
"lysodren" to go to. The reason I hope the Anipryl works is because
he doesn't
seem to have cushing's symptoms and therefore doesn't seem to feel sick
so why
make him feel sick with medication? If he were showing a lot of signs and
symptoms then I would probably feel better going with the lysodren as it
seems
to work faster. I hope this makes sense. I appreciate everyone's posts so
I
thought I would put my 2 cents in too. Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:16:16 -0800 (PST)
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Yes, Ebony was on bronchodilators for years. She wound up with Theodur.
At 10:45 AM 3/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Thank you all for your good wishes.
>
>Another problem I am experiencing with Ginger for about two weeks now,
is
>that she has rapid breathing. The vet did EKG and chest x-rays which
he
>sent to New Jersey to have read - diagnosis seems to be that she has
lost
>some of the elasticity in her lungs. Her heart is okay. She is not
>panting, nor is she struggling to breathe; it is shallow and fast.
We
>have put her on a small dosage of a aminophylline (a bronchodilator)
to
>help her out. This bothers me more that it does her as she runs around,
>plays with our younger dog, etc., but occasionally she gets carried
away
>and has to stop and catch her breath.
>
>Has anyone else experienced this and is this a part of the Cushing's
>syndrome?
>
>Sue Okoniewski
>
>
--
>--------------------------------------------<
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:02:23 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl
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Susan.....
Schonus is no longer on Anipryl....he didn't respond to it. He's doing
great on Lysodren now.
I feel kinda embarrassed right now as I don't remember your "baby's"
name! How many mgs. would he/she require daily? Once I find that out,
I can find out costs for you! Would love to be able to help!!
Linda
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:18:39 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Susan & Spenser......
So glad to hear that I'm helping! It's the least I can do for all the
support I got here.
Lysodren, like Anipryl, is given according to a dog's body weight
according to my Vet. When Schonus was switched from Anipryl to
Lysodren...we just did it! Went to the pharmacy and filled the
prescription and as soon as I had it, we started the "loading phase".
My Vet told me that the longest Schonus should have been on Anipryl was
two months because by that time if it is going to work, we would have
seen some clinical improvement. But due to my "fears" of Lysodren,
we
kept Schonus on Anipryl for six months. I just kept praying for it to
work. During this six month period he just kept getting sooo pot
bellied, drinking so much water and was so lethargic. My Vet gave me a
paper that he had had faxed to him on the protocol of Lysodren during
the "loading phase". At that time Schonus, who normally weighs
around
90 lbs., had shot up to 102 lbs! When we started the "loading phase"
he
received 2,000 mgs. daily until I noticed ANY change, especially his
water intake. Trust me...every drop of water was accounted for! As
soon as there was a change, we went back in for an ACTH test and his
counts had come down after two loading phases...first loading phase was
not long enough. Then he was started on 2,000 mgs weekly for his
maintenance dose. At first we were giving him the 2,000 mgs. once a
week but he "slipped" as it was too much in one day so now he
gets it
twice a week.
Guess it's time for me to inhale but sure hope this helps a bit.
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:28:28 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: New to the List
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Melissa....
Welcome to you and the other "newbies"!
I also have a Lab/Retriever. He was 6 y.o. in December and going on
3
1/2 y.o.! I was so sorry to read about Amber. When Schonus was going
thru his second loading phase, he basically did the same thing....I
couldn't wake him up...he wouldn't eat....started shivering like he was
frozen to death. Luckily it happened during daylight hours and I didn't
even call the Vet for an appt!! I just piled Schonus into the car and
away we went. He got a shot of prednisone and was back to himself that
nite!
How is Amber doing now? Did she start her maintenance dose? Don't know
if this is related but my Vet put Schonus on stress tab vitamins because
of his system being stressed out by the Cushings.
Again....welcome!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:56:49 -0800
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Hi, Linda, I think you mean me? My Amaryllis is 35 pounds. I'd appreciate
it if you could find out what your vet's cost would be-- I'm being told
$150 a month, and I'm pretty sure that my vet is not the kind to mark
things up sky high--he's seemed very willing to be conscious of my budget.
At 07:02 PM 3/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Susan.....
>
>Schonus is no longer on Anipryl....he didn't respond to it. He's doing
>great on Lysodren now.
>
>I feel kinda embarrassed right now as I don't remember your "baby's"
>name! How many mgs. would he/she require daily? Once I find that out,
>I can find out costs for you! Would love to be able to help!!
>
>Linda
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:38:28 EST
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl to Lysodren
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To all possibly going through the changeover from Anipryl to Lysodren --
Maggie was diagnosed in September 1997 and began Anipryl because she
has a
"rather delicate" system and barfs/gets the runs at the drop of
a hat and
because Anipryl was judged to be less toxic than Lysodren, we started Maggie
on it. She was on it for about 5 months and when I took her in for her
annual
shots in February, we decided to change our course. My vet had been to
a
symposium in Orlando in January which dealt with Cushings and the vet in
charge was not very enthused with Anipryl, feeling that it was not very
effective. Maggie's levels had not changed which was good news/bad news
--
they hadn't gotten worse, but also hadn't gotten better. Anyway, I decided
to
use up the Anipryl I had (a little expensive, as you know) and then give
Lysodren a try. We started the loading phase this past Monday morning and
as
of now, Thursday night, she's had no bad side effects at all! We were really
expecting some, with her history and all, but the only change I see is that
her appetite has increased. I feel as though I can breathe a little easier,
although I realize she's not out of the woods yet. As we all agree, our
pets
are very special to us and I will do whatever I can to help her! Figured
I'd
share and I'll keep you all posted.
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:35:22 -0500
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi Linda!! Thanks so much for writing to me last week re: Andrew <do
you
remember?> He is still in the loading stage and we have increased the
dosage to 750 mgs. per day. I was most interested in your reply to Linda
re: the shaking and the other symptoms, specifically, NOT eating and
sleeping so much. My Andrew is sleepy a lot because of the bloat and all
I
assume, but his appetite is still there. Keep your fingers crossed for
us
and xoxo to Shonas.
PattyO and Dan.
> Welcome to you and the other "newbies"!
>
> I also have a Lab/Retriever. He was 6 y.o. in December and going on
3
> 1/2 y.o.! I was so sorry to read about Amber. When Schonus was going
> thru his second loading phase, he basically did the same thing....I
> couldn't wake him up...he wouldn't eat....started shivering like he
was
> frozen to death. Luckily it happened during daylight hours and I didn't
> even call the Vet for an appt!! I just piled Schonus into the car
and
> away we went. He got a shot of prednisone and was back to himself
that
> nite!
>
> How is Amber doing now? Did she start her maintenance dose? Don't
know
> if this is related but my Vet put Schonus on stress tab vitamins because
> of his system being stressed out by the Cushings.
>
> Again....welcome!
>
> Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:33:27 EST
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Hello all! My name is Lisa and I am a veterinarian in Memphis, TN. One
of my
own dog's has Cushing's disease, just diagnosed this month. So far he has
been on his anipryl for only one week, so too early to say if it is going
to
work. I have been watching this forum for a couple of weeks now and I
too
lament with you all the cost of the medication. We order it as needed for
our
patients and only add a small handling charge so that the cost can be kept
as
low as possible.
I wonder if we could get enough people together to make a bulk purchase
and if
Pfizer would give us a better rate..........anyway, food for thought. Let
me
know your ideas!
Lisa
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:37:18 -0500
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Linda, SORRY, I spelled Schonus's name wrong in my previous reply. Yikes,
forgive me!
Patty
L Boyce wrote:
> Susan & Spenser......
>
> So glad to hear that I'm helping! It's the least I can do for all
the
> support I got here.
>
> Lysodren, like Anipryl, is given according to a dog's body weight
> according to my Vet. When Schonus was switched from Anipryl to
> Lysodren...we just did it! Went to the pharmacy and filled the
> prescription and as soon as I had it, we started the "loading
phase".
> My Vet told me that the longest Schonus should have been on Anipryl
was
> two months because by that time if it is going to work, we would have
> seen some clinical improvement. But due to my "fears" of
Lysodren, we
> kept Schonus on Anipryl for six months. I just kept praying for it
to
> work. During this six month period he just kept getting sooo pot
> bellied, drinking so much water and was so lethargic. My Vet gave
me a
> paper that he had had faxed to him on the protocol of Lysodren during
> the "loading phase". At that time Schonus, who normally
weighs around
> 90 lbs., had shot up to 102 lbs! When we started the "loading
phase" he
> received 2,000 mgs. daily until I noticed ANY change, especially his
> water intake. Trust me...every drop of water was accounted for! As
> soon as there was a change, we went back in for an ACTH test and his
> counts had come down after two loading phases...first loading phase
was
> not long enough. Then he was started on 2,000 mgs weekly for his
> maintenance dose. At first we were giving him the 2,000 mgs. once
a
> week but he "slipped" as it was too much in one day so now
he gets it
> twice a week.
>
> Guess it's time for me to inhale but sure hope this helps a bit.
>
> Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:42:29 -0500
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl (fwd from Ripley)
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Hi Kathleen, I read your note with interest. My Andrew is still in the
loading
stage and weighs approximately 4l lbs. He should be only 28 and his Lysodren
is
being increased to 750 mgs. per day. I notice that his bark is no longer
deep.
I know about amonophiline (spelling?) because I owned a dog with an enlarged
heart. Andrew's heart is okay, but I also worry.
PattyO
kathleen richards wrote:
> Yes, Ebony was on bronchodilators for years. She wound up with
Theodur.
>
> At 10:45 AM 3/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >Thank you all for your good wishes.
> >
> >Another problem I am experiencing with Ginger for about two weeks
now, is
> >that she has rapid breathing. The vet did EKG and chest x-rays
which he
> >sent to New Jersey to have read - diagnosis seems to be that she
has lost
> >some of the elasticity in her lungs. Her heart is okay. She
is not
> >panting, nor is she struggling to breathe; it is shallow and fast.
We
> >have put her on a small dosage of a aminophylline (a bronchodilator)
to
> >help her out. This bothers me more that it does her as she runs
around,
> >plays with our younger dog, etc., but occasionally she gets carried
away
> >and has to stop and catch her breath.
> >
> >Has anyone else experienced this and is this a part of the Cushing's
> >syndrome?
> >
> >Sue Okoniewski
> >
> >
> --
> >--------------------------------------------<
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire
straits
> kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:44:32 -0500
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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Hi Linda! When you mention costs about the Lysodren are you talking
the
human drug-vs.- canine? Just wondering. We are new to this. Thanks for
all the help you give out here on this list.
Patty and Dan
L Boyce wrote:
> Susan.....
>
> Schonus is no longer on Anipryl....he didn't respond to it. He's doing
> great on Lysodren now.
>
> I feel kinda embarrassed right now as I don't remember your "baby's"
> name! How many mgs. would he/she require daily? Once I find that
out,
> I can find out costs for you! Would love to be able to help!!
>
> Linda
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:55:44 -0500
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl (fwd from Linda)
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Dear Linda, Thank You Sooooo much for all the encouraging notes here.
Andrew was basically caught "in time" so to speak, but he is not
so far
responding to the Lysodren. Let's keep hoping. I was very worried or
should I say AM worried about a previous note here designating Cushinoid
dogs
to live only 6 mos. to three yrs. What is the scoop here? Will talk to
my
new vet tomorrow.
Take care,
Patty and Dan
Leslie Lawson wrote:
> Sorry for the many forwarded messages, folks, the listserv software
had a
> hiccup or something today and I'm cleaning up the mess...
>
> What follows are some great words of wisdom from Linda, with whom I'm
> completely agree. I'm so proud of Schonus' progress--I think he's
earned
> the status of Cushing's poster dog!
>
> Hug all of your doggies for me, as I'm missing my own a lot tonight,
>
> -Leslie
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:26:20 -0400
> From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
> Subject: Anipryl
>
> Jenny.....
>
> There was no interim period between stopping the Anipryl and beginning
> the Lysodren. While he was on the Anipryl he still drank tons of water,
> his belly still was very distended and when he went for his walks...he
> would walk like a *drunk* (for lack of a better expression)...staggered
> all over the place instead of "stepping out".
>
> The last thing in the world I wanted was to start him on Lysodren...I
> was so afraid of the effects and was deathly afraid he wouldn't be
able
> to tolerate it with all his other problems. But with the helpful
> information I received here and finally facing the fact..."it
was
> time"....he is doing absolutely great!! In fact...he had his
belly
> shaved for two ultrasounds and now is the proud owner of his first
"new"
> patch of hair regrowth. He no longer is panting...his urine is finally
> yellow....belly is not distended at all...in fact, he's toning up real
> well!
>
> If my memory serves me right...I think Schonus started Lysodren at
the
> very beginning of this year. I do remember that I did have to wait
a
> couple of days for the Lysodren as our local pharmacy had to order
it
> but that was all. We actually got our first *normal* ACTH test on
> February 9th!!
>
> We had to do two loading phases on Schonus....first loading phase was
> not long enough but the second time we went a few days longer. Trust
> me...I had my eye on him 24/7!! I was so afraid of a reaction..but
my
> Vet sent me home with 5 mg. tablets of Prednisone just in case. He
did
> tolerate both loading phases quite well....
>
> Linda
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:50:27 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren loading (was Re: Anipryl)
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For Ivan's loading phases, he recieved 500mg BID. The first phase ran
for 10
days until he "went down", after three days he went on a maintenance
dose of
1500mg a week, given as 1/2s six days a week with dinner. He needed a second
loading phase, about a year later. This was the same 500mg BID, but only
ran
for a fixed 7 days. After that, we tailored his dosage to his ACTH stim
test
results. He had been on 2000mg/week since August, given as 500mg MTThF.
Since
December, we went to 2000 one week, 1500 the next due to a weight drop.
We always had 5 Prednisone on hand, just in case.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:55:19 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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On Mar 26, 4:56pm, Susan Kuchinskas wrote:
> Subject: Re: Anipryl
> Hi, Linda, I think you mean me? My Amaryllis is 35 pounds. I'd appreciate
> it if you could find out what your vet's cost would be-- I'm being
told
> $150 a month, and I'm pretty sure that my vet is not the kind to mark
> things up sky high--he's seemed very willing to be conscious of my
budget.
We were paying $67 for 30 500mg Lysodren from the local pharmacy.
> At 07:02 PM 3/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Susan.....
> >
> >Schonus is no longer on Anipryl....he didn't respond to it. He's
doing
> >great on Lysodren now.
> >
> >I feel kinda embarrassed right now as I don't remember your "baby's"
> >name! How many mgs. would he/she require daily? Once I find that
out,
> >I can find out costs for you! Would love to be able to help!!
> >
> >Linda
> >
> >
> >
>-- End of excerpt from Susan Kuchinskas
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:01:26 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Breathing and barking
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We discussed this on the forum a few months back, but I'll mention it
again
for our recently-joined members:
Apparently, Cushing's causes mineralization of the poor little pups'
lungs.
In our case, this was the cause of our Melissa's raspy, difficult
breathing. According to our vet, with treatment for Cushing's (we used
Lysodren), this condition reverses itself.
At 10:42 PM 3/26/98 -0500, Daniel Klein (actually it was Patty who) wrote:
>I notice that his bark is no longer deep
I noticed this with Melissa, too. Her bark completely changed, as if
she
had a sore throat and not enough air to force out a bark. Has anyone else
noticed this? Anyone heard of an explanation?
And finally, an administrative note: as of this week we have 80
subscribers to the Cushing's forum. A warm welcome to our newest members!
-Leslie
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:40:15 -0600
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
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>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:53:40 -0400
>From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
>To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>Could someone explain to me what the dexmethesone (sp?) test is for?
>What's the difference between that and the ACTH test?
>
>Linda
>
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:18:56 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
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The dexamethasone suppression test is the first test for Cushings. The
measure
here is the body's reaction to an increase in dexamethesone. I don't remember
the response or how it is measured. Normally, this test is performed only
once, as it is a diagnositic instead of a maintenance test.
It is interesting to note that DST is also used to diagnosed clinical
depression. A depressed patient will show strong suppression.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:01:59 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: stiffness in back legs
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As a 'beginner' on this learning curve I am following the mail with great
interest. Anapryl is not an option in this country as it's just not available
though my vet has done a bit of research since I asked him. He has said
that
the Lysodren is the best option when we do not know if Kelly's problem is
with
the adrenal or pituitary gland but whatever - he has improved rapidly since
his
loading phase 3 weeks ago. His fluid intake (monitored carefully) and
eating
are back to his normal levels - will probably need a maintainance dose tomorrow.
We had been about to query the change in Kelly's bark until I read the mail
this
morning.
One problem which has increased over the last few days is the stiffness
in
Kelly's back legs. One of the effects of the Thyroidism that he was initially
diagnosed with 15 months ago is intermittent limping - never really went
away
but did improve with Illtroxin. But now at times, he has difficulty getting
up
and walks very slowly and carefully for the first few minutes. It does
wear
off and it is only after he's been lying down. With Cortison being an
anti-inflammatory we are wondering if the extra in his system (if it is
his
pituitary that is affected) had masked the onset of arthritis or is this
a
common symptom?
Ann & John Cooper
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:06:18 EST
From: Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
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Subject: Re: FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
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Here are a couple of links that explain the different diagnostic tests
for
Cushing's-hope it helps.
<A HREF="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/endo/faq.html">Ask
Jeeves Answer -
health issues in Poodles</A> <A HREF="http://www.petview.com/pc/doghac.html">
Ask Jeeves Answer - PetView - Cushing's Disease</A>
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:16:59 EST
From: Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Hi Lisa! It will be great to have a Vet on this forum!!! Your idea on
bulk
Anipryl purchase sounds excellent to me -- I'm willing to save my hard earned
money any time ! Thanks for the idea, I'll be waiting for further info.
Debby
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:06:35 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bonnie
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Dillon,
Who is Bonnie? Did you keep a whole litter of pups the way we did?
When
had her pubs (3 in 1987), and after the 10 weeks needed to wean them, Maria
decided she "couldn't split the family." Tom, believing that
this had been the
plan all along, disagreed with the objective, but gradually receded. One
"Dapper Dan" (now, the missing pup) climbed up on the couch with
persistence
and determination (one of his principal character traits), and decided to
join
him as he read the newspaper. After that, it was who would clean the cereal
bowl or the ice cream bowl? And what dog do you know will fall asleep,
flat on
his back, in your arms? Well, Tom couldn't keep that one without the others.
So . . . .
That's our story. What's yours? All our best, Tom and Maria.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:13:51 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Changeover
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Patty and Dan....
Schonus was so pot-bellied he looked like HE looked like he was going
to
have puppies. But during the "loading phase" I noticed that morning
that he would not eat his breakfast AT ALL. Trust me, he has no problem
with his appetite. Clue #1.
My next clue was when he couldn't keep his eyes open. At first I
thought he was just ready for a nap but everytime I called his name, he
would open his eyes and then they would roll back to go back to sleep.
I tried everything everything I knew how to get him to "wake up"
but he
wouldn't....Clue #2.
He was sleeping on the floor and I was laying down next to him and I
felt him shaking. At first I thought he was just laying the wrong way
and was resting on a nerve causing the shaking. But I made him move and
the shaking didn't stop....that's when I thru him in the car and went to
the Vet.
I sure hate to sound like I'm being over protective of Schonus but my
feeling was if during the loading phase I noticed ANY change in him...I
would be on the phone to the Vet immediately! I wasn't going to second
guess anything!
Hope this helps to clarify....Schonus and I will be waiting to hear an
update on Andrew!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:17:01 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl
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Patty & Dan.....
The price that I had given was for Anipryl. We paid $215 for a bottle
of Lysodren but after the loading phase, it lasts much longer than the
Anipryl.
Linda
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:33:03 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Stiffness in Back Legs
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Ann and John.....
Yes....Schonus has experienced a whole lot of stiffness in his back hips
since he was placed on Lysodren. Before he was diagnosed our Vet
thought he had the beginnings of hip dysplagia. After he has been
laying down for only a matter of minutes, when he gets up he limps
terrible but after walking around for a few minutes, he's back to
normal.
We have an oncologist who lives a few houses away and she said that
because the cortisol is being depleted..that is why the stiffness.
Did your Vet do an ultrasound to rule out at least an adrenal tumor?
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:14:32 -0600
From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
To: nothingwitty@earthlink.net, cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New to the list
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Dear Melissa Smith - We are new to the list also with our schipperke
Rudy
diagnosed with Cushings also in February 98. He is doing much better on
the Anipryl with no side effects that we can detect --- but now (late March
) he still has not recovered his muscle strength completely. We miss him
coming up the stairs to our bedroom and sleeping on the bed. I guess we
get dependent on these mutts just like they are on us.
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:05:53 -0600
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Lysodren, muscle weakness, longevity
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My mini poodle, Annie, was diagnosed with Cushing's in Oct. 1996. She
was
5 1/2 at the time. We did the holistic route (and still do), then tried
Anipryl, then Lysodren. Anipryl did not work for her. She has been on
Lysodren since November, 1997, and finally came back with a good ACTH stim
test at the beginning of March. She is a competition Agility dog and has
lost muscle tone. My holistic vet has recommended vitamin B12 tablets
everyday. They have helped tremendously. My allopathic vet has told me
that he has had Cushing's dogs live normal lives for their whole, natural
life span but Cushing's is never cured--only controlled. I have a boarding
kennel where lots of vets send us their special needs dogs because of my
vet tech background. Several of those dogs are 12-15 years old and have
had Cushing's for half of their lives.
Both vets I deal with feel that since Cushing's is most commonly a disease
of older dogs, the longevity tables for affected dogs are not a pretty
picture. But, they fail to take into account the fact that the dog might
have died at the same time with or without Cushing's.
Annie, by the way, has NEVER been depressed or ill during any of her
treatments. She does have the hair loss (she was tested for thyroid
problems this last week), the pot belly (interestingly enough, that
disappeared when she was on the Anipryl) and the ravenous appetite. No
panting, no lack of appetite or lethargy. She does have some muscle
wasting but it does not affect her working in Agility.
Janice & Annie
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> From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
> To: nothingwitty@earthlink.net; cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: New to the list
> Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 8:14 PM
>
>
> Dear Melissa Smith - We are new to the list also with our schipperke
Rudy
> diagnosed with Cushings also in February 98. He is doing much better
on
> the Anipryl with no side effects that we can detect --- but now (late
March
> ) he still has not recovered his muscle strength completely. We miss
him
> coming up the stairs to our bedroom and sleeping on the bed. I guess
we
> get dependent on these mutts just like they are on us.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:31:50 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: nothingwitty@earthlink.net
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How old is Rudy? His getting this disease is particularly surprising
to
me, as schipperkes are supposed to live very long lives, to 19 yrs. and
longer, aren't they?
My dog Sweetie has stiffness in her back legs both with and without
anipryl, so I carry her up three flights of steps and lift her onto the
bed. Right now she's totally off anipryl so her new vet can evaluate her
without any medicine, and she's doing just great so far. He talks about
putting her back on anipryl, reduced from 10 to 5 mg., after he sees how
she is without it.
One interesting comment he made is that her intermittent fevers might
be
related to a bacterial infection of the heart. He said that sometimes such
infections break up and the bacteria can lodge in joints, causing
arthritic-type symptoms. He has directed me to keep a daily log of her
activities and symptoms, including temperature (twice a day).
Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, who is back to guarding the house
in
this spring weather
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Jody McCann wrote:
>
> Dear Melissa Smith - We are new to the list also with our schipperke
Rudy
> diagnosed with Cushings also in February 98. He is doing much better
on
> the Anipryl with no side effects that we can detect --- but now (late
March
> ) he still has not recovered his muscle strength completely. We miss
him
> coming up the stairs to our bedroom and sleeping on the bed. I guess
we
> get dependent on these mutts just like they are on us.
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:13:09 -0600
From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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At 11:31 AM -0600 3/28/98, Jenny Kellstedt wrote:
>How old is Rudy? His getting this disease is particularly surprising
to
>me, as schipperkes are supposed to live very long lives, to 19 yrs.
and
>longer, aren't they?
>
>Rudy is almost 8. He has now been on the Anipryl for three weeks.
He has
>come upstairs by himself three times in the last two days so we think
he
>is recovering some strength. He still pants more than he used to bu
not
>excessivily and the shaking seems gone. We're crossing our fingers
and
>all that. Good luck and thanks
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:58:20 -0500
From: Kelli McKinley <KAMCK@centuryinter.net>
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Hello everybody. I would like to know more about giving prednisone
during the Lysodren loading phase. I have read that many of you have had
to give your dogs prednisone. How do you know when it is needed? My dog
Cookie has had a lot of the same symptoms as some of your dogs. Before
she started her treatment for cushings she was always hungry and begging
for food, had hair loss and shaking. Since she has been on the Lysodren
(loading) she has not been eating much. She will eat dog food from the
vet (Hills perscription diet a/d) if I put it in her mouth with my
finger. Some times she will eat a little bit by herself, other times she
will taste her food and spit it out. Even her favorite foods. Her
shaking has improved, but she is sleeping a lot and her legs seem weak.
Sometimes she stumbles when she walks. Will her strength and her
appetite return after the loading phase? How do you know if your dog is
improving? Cookie goes in for another blood test Monday. I wish I could
do more for her. Reading about everyone's experiences is a big help.
Thanks, Kelli & Cookie
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:31:36 -0600
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: "CUSHINGS" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Lung Problem
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Someone last week wrote that Cushings dogs get mineralization of the
lungs,
I am sorry I don't remember who it was, but I have been thinking about this
all weekend. What is mineralization of the lungs and can it be helped and
if so, how?
Sue O.
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:56:05 -0500
From: Kelli McKinley <KAMCK@centuryinter.net>
To: lboyce@warwick.net
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Linda,
Yes, I have been in contact with my vet several times. Cookie's appetite
seems to come and go. After her first loading phase she seemed like her
appetite and energy returned. She was running around and playing. After
she was on a maintenance does for while she started to go "down hill".
Hopefully her appetite will return since she is done with her second
loading phase. At least she dosen't shake (tremble) all the time like
she did before. Hopefully this is a good sign. I wonder if any one else
has had problems getting their dog to eat while they are on the
Lysodren? She acts like the food just doesn't taste good.
Kelli and Cookie
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