Cushing's Disease/Syndrome | Electronic Forum Digest 28

CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 28

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: stiffness in back legs
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
2) Re: FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
3) Re: Bonnie
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
4) starting Lysodren today
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
5) Re: stiffness in back legs
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
6) Re: Fleas and Advantage
by LynneYoung <LynneYoung@aol.com>
7) Re: Fleas and Advantage
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
8) Re: stiffness in back legs
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
9) Re: Fleas and Advantage
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
10) Anipryl
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
11) Re: New to the list
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
12) Re: Fleas and Advantage
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
13) Re: Fleas and Advantage
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
14) Re: stiffness in back legs
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
15) Re: stiffness in back legs
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
16) Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
by SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
17) Re: Fleas and Advantage
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
18) Re: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
19) Actigall
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
20) proanthozone
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
21) Re: New to the list
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
22) hello fellow pet lovers
by "Troy wilson" <supertroy@hotmail.com>
23) Re: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
24) Blindness
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
25) Rimadyl
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
26) Re: Actigall
by David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
27) Re: Blindness
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
28) Re: Rimadyl
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
29) Diet/Vitamins
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
30) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by DAOsborn@softart.com
31) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
32) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
33) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
34) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
35) Re: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
36) Re: Rimadyl
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
37) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
38) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
39) Re: Rimadyl
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
40) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
41) Re: Actigall
by floyd@zianet.com
42) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
43) Re: Actigall
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
44) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
45) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
46) Re: Loss
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
47) Re: Diet/Vitamins
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
48) Re: Blindness
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
49) Update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
50) Re: Update
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
51) Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
52) Mug Shots
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
53) carrying dogs
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
54) Blindness
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
55) Actigalll
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
56) Actigall
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
57) Sunny Up-date
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:36:52 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: stiffness in back legs
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This was also, I think, Ivan's situation. After his Cushings was under
control, his arthritis became noticably worse. For us (and him), Rimadyl was a
great aid. Failing that, Ascriptin (Maalox coated aspirin) works well, about
20mg per kilo of body weight. Baby aspirin also works.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:50:42 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
Message-ID: <9803300850.ZM673@dvorak.amd.com>
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On Mar 27, 5:06pm, Debthg wrote:
> Subject: Re: FWD from Linda re ACTH and dex.
> Here are a couple of links that explain the different diagnostic tests for
> Cushing's-hope it helps.
> <A HREF="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/endo/faq.html">Ask Jeeves Answer -
> health issues in Poodles</A> <A
HREF="http://www.petview.com/pc/doghac.html">
> Ask Jeeves Answer - PetView - Cushing's Disease</A>
>-- End of excerpt from Debthg

Good work. Leslie, could we get some links to these?

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:05:53 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bonnie
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On Mar 27, 6:06pm, Tom White wrote:
> Subject: Bonnie
> Dillon,
>
> Who is Bonnie? Did you keep a whole litter of pups the way we did? When
> had her pubs (3 in 1987), and after the 10 weeks needed to wean them, Maria
> decided she "couldn't split the family." Tom, believing that this had been
the
> plan all along, disagreed with the objective, but gradually receded. One
> "Dapper Dan" (now, the missing pup) climbed up on the couch with persistence
> and determination (one of his principal character traits), and decided to
join
> him as he read the newspaper. After that, it was who would clean the cereal
> bowl or the ice cream bowl? And what dog do you know will fall asleep, flat
on
> his back, in your arms? Well, Tom couldn't keep that one without the others.
> So . . . .
>
> That's our story. What's yours? All our best, Tom and Maria.
> Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> trw@virginia.edu
>-- End of excerpt from Tom White

Bonnie is our "Jannie Come Lately". She came home with us in June of 1995,
about 4 months after Molly died.

Ivan, Molly and Peter (Carol's parent's dog) were all from the same litter. We
brought them home at what was claimed to be six weeks, but I'm pretty certain
it was just a tad younger. Check our's out at http://www.flash.net/~pyron

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:56:57 -0800
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: starting Lysodren today
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I pick up the pills at noon, and am going into this with a much better
attitude and more hope, thanks to everyone on this list.

My vet explained the possible bad side effects, gave me prednisone and told
me to call in every day to report. He said he has seldom seen the bad
effects because he's very conservative in the dosage. (fingers crossed).

He also had the Pfizer rep come in and talk to him about Anipryl. The rep
offered to give me a month's free supply, but cautioned that it takes at
least two months to see effects. My vet said he felt like a drug dealer
telling me this. I decided to go with Lysodren anyway, cause of cost.

Thank you, all, for all the info and support.

Susan

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:58:52 -0800
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: stiffness in back legs
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Yes, I'm also expecting to lose some of the "benefits" of
Cushings--Amaryllis has had chronic flea dermatitis all her life, with
secondary staff infections. I thought the last course of antibiotics a
couple years ago had "miraculously" done the job, aided by extra-dry
weather. Now, I'm preparing to go back to relentless washing and spraying,
a small price to pay for a healthier dog.

At 08:36 AM 3/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>This was also, I think, Ivan's situation. After his Cushings was under
>control, his arthritis became noticably worse. For us (and him), Rimadyl
was a
>great aid. Failing that, Ascriptin (Maalox coated aspirin) works well, about
>20mg per kilo of body weight. Baby aspirin also works.
>
>
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon.pyron@amd.com
>The Army, it's not just an adventure,
>It's 24 months of bad food.
>
>

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:18:27 EST
From: LynneYoung <LynneYoung@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fleas and Advantage
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Please..think about using Advantage instead of sprays etc.. it is SOOOOO much
safer..the fleas don't get a chance to bite and it never gets into their
bloodstream...our Cushings dogs have enough stuff in their systems...Advantage
can even be used on pregnant bitches..one of the few chems ever approved that
way...
my vet is VERY conservative, and keeps uyp on all the studies.. she is still
hesitant about Frontline,.. but Advantage has changed our lives and our dogs
are happy not to be scratching or sprayed...
Lynne Young
Chalfonte Shelties
Wilmington DE

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:16:00 -0500
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fleas and Advantage
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yes, perhaps Frontline might not be as safe as Advantage, but it will prevent tick
bites, which can be much worse that any flea bite. . . . . . . .I recommend using
Frontline Top Spot only during high incident periods, such as during the month of
October on Nantucket while on vacation.

LynneYoung wrote:

> Please..think about using Advantage instead of sprays etc.. it is SOOOOO much
> safer..the fleas don't get a chance to bite and it never gets into their
> bloodstream...our Cushings dogs have enough stuff in their systems...Advantage
> can even be used on pregnant bitches..one of the few chems ever approved that
> way...
> my vet is VERY conservative, and keeps uyp on all the studies.. she is still
> hesitant about Frontline,.. but Advantage has changed our lives and our dogs
> are happy not to be scratching or sprayed...
> Lynne Young
> Chalfonte Shelties
> Wilmington DE

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:35:18 EST
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: stiffness in back legs
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My dog also has had stiffness in rear legs since starting his treatment for
his Cushing's. He had in years past two cruciate surgeries and has been on
anti-inflammatories off and on. Rimadyl might be a great drug to try, but the
only drawback is the expense. For a large dog, the cost of Rimadyl might
approach the cost of the Anipryl! Of course, I know that there is no cost too
great for our "kids"!

My Arthur is taking Anipryl, Rimadyl, and a supplement called "Missing Link".
The supplement is made from whole foods and is advertised thru DOGWORLD
magazine. I can really tell the difference in his haircoat and his skin
elasticity since he has been on it along with his Cushing's treatment.

Lisa VanNostrand and "Arthur"

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:40:12 EST
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fleas and Advantage
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Another great advantage of Advantage is that often it works a lot longer than
the label says. I have four dogs and last year , we only put the stuff on
them three times....and STILL no fleas. And this is with dogs that frequent
the vet clinics where I work and are out running with our horses much of the
time. It is really a great alternative to other treatments for fleas, however
it doesn't do much for ticks.

Lisa VanNostrand and "Arthur"

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:58:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl
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I have Ebony's left over Anipryl. If there is someone who needs it I will
mail it to them. Wasn't there an individual who was having difficulty
with finances that was reading here (of course, I suppose that describes
most of us!)?

Please cc any replies to kilty@tstonramp.com for a couple weeks. I might
be locked out of my school account (this one) until I pay my fees (late,
as usual). Sometimes they lock me out until I pay, sometimes not.

Thanks.
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:47:37 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New to the list
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980330194737.0071b2d0@email.uah.edu>
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Hello, I went home at lunch time and have been pondering about your message,
is your baby to big for you to carry up the stairs as you miss him so much
sleeping with you, our baby cannot jump up on our bed anymore, so we went
out and bought ottermans for her, she jumps on them and then onto the bed
and this also happens with the sofa, nothing is to much for us to do for our
babies who we love so much and will do anything for them, I may be out of
line here and if you think so my humblest apologies, but if the baby can be
carried, carry him. Jackie and Sunny

At 08:14 PM 3/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Dear Melissa Smith - We are new to the list also with our schipperke Rudy
>diagnosed with Cushings also in February 98. He is doing much better on
>the Anipryl with no side effects that we can detect --- but now (late March
>) he still has not recovered his muscle strength completely. We miss him
>coming up the stairs to our bedroom and sleeping on the bed. I guess we
>get dependent on these mutts just like they are on us.
>
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:51:07 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fleas and Advantage
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980330195107.006fb584@email.uah.edu>
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What about Frontline, I was using this for Sunny last year and now since she
has been so bad I am worried about the chemicals on her body with the
Lysodren, Filabits, do you not think that this is to much chemicals for a
small dog, please advise if you can, I do not want her to get fleas, I use
Frontline on her cat friend, but I am so worried about Sunny. Jackie and Sunny

At 01:40 PM 3/30/98 EST, you wrote:
>Another great advantage of Advantage is that often it works a lot longer than
>the label says. I have four dogs and last year , we only put the stuff on
>them three times....and STILL no fleas. And this is with dogs that frequent
>the vet clinics where I work and are out running with our horses much of the
>time. It is really a great alternative to other treatments for fleas, however
>it doesn't do much for ticks.
>
>Lisa VanNostrand and "Arthur"
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:53:46 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fleas and Advantage
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Opps, its me again, Jackie, I should have read this one first, sorry folks,
so much to do so little time to do it in, I will use advantage, THANKS SO
MUCH EVERYONE. Jackie and Sunny

At 01:16 PM 3/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>yes, perhaps Frontline might not be as safe as Advantage, but it will
prevent tick
>bites, which can be much worse that any flea bite. . . . . . . .I recommend
using
>Frontline Top Spot only during high incident periods, such as during the
month of
>October on Nantucket while on vacation.
>
>LynneYoung wrote:
>
>> Please..think about using Advantage instead of sprays etc.. it is SOOOOO much
>> safer..the fleas don't get a chance to bite and it never gets into their
>> bloodstream...our Cushings dogs have enough stuff in their
systems...Advantage
>> can even be used on pregnant bitches..one of the few chems ever approved
that
>> way...
>> my vet is VERY conservative, and keeps uyp on all the studies.. she is still
>> hesitant about Frontline,.. but Advantage has changed our lives and our dogs
>> are happy not to be scratching or sprayed...
>> Lynne Young
>> Chalfonte Shelties
>> Wilmington DE
>
>
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:58:13 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: stiffness in back legs
Message-ID: <9803301558.ZM18671@dvorak.amd.com>
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On Mar 30, 1:35pm, LisaVann wrote:
> Subject: Re: stiffness in back legs
> My dog also has had stiffness in rear legs since starting his treatment for
> his Cushing's. He had in years past two cruciate surgeries and has been on
> anti-inflammatories off and on. Rimadyl might be a great drug to try, but
the
> only drawback is the expense. For a large dog, the cost of Rimadyl might
> approach the cost of the Anipryl! Of course, I know that there is no cost
too
> great for our "kids"!
>
> My Arthur is taking Anipryl, Rimadyl, and a supplement called "Missing Link".
> The supplement is made from whole foods and is advertised thru DOGWORLD
> magazine. I can really tell the difference in his haircoat and his skin
> elasticity since he has been on it along with his Cushing's treatment.
>
> Lisa VanNostrand and "Arthur"
>-- End of excerpt from LisaVann

I'll also recommend Cosequin. It really seemed to help Ivan, especially
earlier on. The only real drawback is it STINKS!!!!!!

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:03:34 -0600
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: stiffness in back legs
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Dillon Pyron wrote:
> On Mar 30, 1:35pm, LisaVann wrote:
> > Subject: Re: stiffness in back legs
> >Rimadyl might be a great drug to try,

> I'll also recommend Cosequin. It really seemed to help Ivan, especially
> earlier on. The only real drawback is it STINKS!!!!!!

Another alternative is acupuncture, which has a good success rate
with arthritis, etc. For those who don't have access to a vet who
does acupuncture, (or someone who treats humans, but is also willing
to treat your dog--probably not strictly legal, but you can
find people willing to help), you might try acupressure, massage,
T-touch, etc. Jeri kurvenal@ameritech.net

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:24:14 EST
From: SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
To: Cushings-Pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
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Daniel Klein wrote:

>>I understand your apprehension about the dosage of vaccinations but do
wonder if you are correct in waiting the lenth of time you described
especially with the rabies vaccine.<<

(not sure whether to address you as Patty or Dan!!!)

I thought the same thing, however everything I've read advises a rabies
vaccination really lasts 3 years. Here in Texas, it's required once-a-year,
but we don't board our dogs or have them groomed... so who'll know? If they
happen to bite someone, they'll be quarantined (sp?) either way. Whenever
there's a difference in information, I always question my holistic vet and
follow her advice... and this is what she's saying.

>> What holistic methods do you advise? I am most interested.<<

Your question here is vague. Are referring to holistic methods for
vaccinating? or food? or health in general? I'd be happy to refer you to
books or another digest for whole pet care if you 'd like - email me directly.

Lori
:>) I'm loved by a Cushinoid Puppy Dog!!!

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:11:05 EST
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fleas and Advantage
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Jackie and Sunny,

I have used Frontline too, but in my area it is not as effective for fleas as
Advantage (in my opinion). I think that as far as safety is concerned, they
are similar.

Lisa and Arthur

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:25:54 EST
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
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As far as vaccinations go, our dogs will most likely have no ill effect from
getting them, however some recently published articles I have read state that
adult dogs with good vaccination record in the first year may not even need
vaccines every year to maintain immunity. Most states do have some
requirement for rabies vaccination, but that is really to protect the human
population, not the animals......

If you are worried about the effects of the vaccines, split them up and get
one a month until you have them all. Most of us have our dogs in at least that
much or are going by the vet for "supplies", so it wouldn't be too hard to do
the vaccines thatway.
This year I gave Arthur his distemper/parvo combo and his rabies. I skipped
the Lyme ( makes his leg sore).

LIsa and Arthur

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:31:20 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Actigall
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Research: we've been giving Clea "Actigall" and thought we would give a
note on our raw data--the poops are green or greenish. Our vet says that this
is a good sign as it means that toxins are leaving her body through her gut and
by-passing her kidneys.
Has anyone else encountered this phenomenon in their "field research"?
Anyone's notes on their experiences using this drug would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:32:47 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: proanthozone
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Does anyone know anything about the drug "proanthozone"? (What are the
pathways: liver? . . . kidneys? . . . effects on the heart? etc.) We've been
giving it to Little Rosti for a few days now, and his sense of well being and
attitude has greatly improved. He's not as depressed or lethargic and his
interest in squirrels has returned. Thanks.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:42:35 -0800
From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Jackie Siniard wrote:
>
> Hello, I went home at lunch time and have been pondering about your message,
> is your baby to big for you to carry up the stairs as you miss him so much
> sleeping with you, our baby cannot jump up on our bed anymore, so we went
> out and bought ottermans for her, she jumps on them and then onto the bed
> and this also happens with the sofa, nothing is to much for us to do for our
> babies who we love so much and will do anything for them, I may be out of
> line here and if you think so my humblest apologies, but if the baby can be
> carried, carry him. Jackie and Sunny
>
> At 08:14 PM 3/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >Dear Melissa Smith - We are new to the list also with our schipperke Rudy
> >diagnosed with Cushings also in February 98. He is doing much better on
> >the Anipryl with no side effects that we can detect --- but now (late March
> >) he still has not recovered his muscle strength completely. We miss him
> >coming up the stairs to our bedroom and sleeping on the bed. I guess we
> >get dependent on these mutts just like they are on us.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
> worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
>
> Jacqueline P. Siniard
> Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
> Materials Science Building Room C206
> Huntsville, Alabama 35899
> ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
> e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

Hi Jackie,

Amber weighs about 56 pounds and does not like being picked up. Before
we knew she had cushings, my husband tried to pick her up to put her on
the bed and wanted no part of it. She seems happy sleeping outside for
now. We got the results of her blood test back and she is now in
maintenance (1-500mg tablet of Lysodren a week) for a month and then she
will be tested again. Her appetite is great as long as it is not her
dog food. It usually takes her 4 hours to eat her dog food. Thanks for
being so concerned. When she shows interest in our bed again I will try
my footstool for her.

Melissa and Amber and the gang.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:33:28 PST
From: "Troy wilson" <supertroy@hotmail.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: hello fellow pet lovers
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Hello everybody...Just an observational note here. I was surfing the
net this afternoon when I found a great site. It is about the kinds of
food we are feeding our pets..Go check it out..very interesting
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mjwldr/

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:42:29 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
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On Mar 30, 11:24pm, SheltyLove wrote:
> Subject: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
> Daniel Klein wrote:
>
> >>I understand your apprehension about the dosage of vaccinations but do
> wonder if you are correct in waiting the lenth of time you described
> especially with the rabies vaccine.<<
>
> (not sure whether to address you as Patty or Dan!!!)
>
> I thought the same thing, however everything I've read advises a rabies
> vaccination really lasts 3 years. Here in Texas, it's required once-a-year,
> but we don't board our dogs or have them groomed... so who'll know? If they
> happen to bite someone, they'll be quarantined (sp?) either way. Whenever
> there's a difference in information, I always question my holistic vet and
> follow her advice... and this is what she's saying.

Please be careful. By law, your vet can't see a dog (or cat) that doesn't have
current rabies vaccinations. Also, the county has the option of "examining"
any animal that bites and does not have current rabies.

>
> >> What holistic methods do you advise? I am most interested.<<
>
> Your question here is vague. Are referring to holistic methods for
> vaccinating? or food? or health in general? I'd be happy to refer you to
> books or another digest for whole pet care if you 'd like - email me
directly.
>
> Lori
> :>) I'm loved by a Cushinoid Puppy Dog!!!
>-- End of excerpt from SheltyLove

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:45:54 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Blindness
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Someone (can't remember who) had requested notes on experiences with
blindness in Cushings dogs. Here are our experiences:

One of Clea's pups (Dapper Dan) died 3 1/2 years ago. He had Cushings
(pituitary). A week before he died he went totally blind, circled after his
tail, and began pressing his head against walls. An MRI scan revealed an
inoperable brain tumor the size of a golf ball. He was in a lot of pain, and 3
days after the MRI scan we had him euthanized at home in our arms. He was the
quintessential "Boynton (cartoon) Dog," and we still miss him very much.

Clea (16 1/2 year old Mother dachshund) developed a white spot in the center
of one eye last summer. We were told that it was mineralization due to
Cushings--calcium deposits. We were given antibiotics and neomycin ointment.
The white spot did not improve. We were told that Clea will adjust and be able
to see around the white spot in her eye with no problem. Old age. Cushings.
We stopped treatment on her eye. As predicted, she seemed to adjust very well.
That was January. By mid-March the white spot had disappeared on its own. We
don't know what to make of this. (Maybe adrenal tumors get so large that they
become nonfunctional??) Our new vet says that Clea is "amazing."

We had a beagle (Barney) who was blind the last six years of his life, but
the blindness was the result of an hereditary condition leading to glaucoma and
didn't have anything to do with Cushings. Barney's treatment for a form of
lupis (another health problem he had), prednizone, led to Cushings. Specialists
felt that there was no question that Barney needed surgery to have his eyes
removed. Rather than give him false eyes, we decided to have his eyelids sewn
shut to prevent infection and injury should he bump into a branch or rosebush on
one of his chases. Also, since Barney loved to sleep in the *baking* sun on our
backporch, we were concerned that the fake eyes would heat up and become like
little hot coals in his head. So, our decision to have his eyelids sewn shut
was based on his comfort and safety, not his appearance.

Barney adjusted to his blindness quickly. To aid him, we did not rearrange
the furniture, made sure that the basement door was kept closed and screened off
steps. We have a fenced-in yard, which was essential. Barney memorized every
rock and bush in our backyard. He always let out the first howl and led the
pack in chasing after a squirrel or chipmunk. Seeing this, people were always
quite surprised when they found out that he was blind. He was active and as
happy as a clam until the end. His downward spiral to death began when our
former vet advised hus to give him medicine for whip worm (tribrissen?).
Barnyard Barney we miss you.

What we know for sure: People have more trouble adjusting to their dog's
blindness than the dogs themselves. Nothing else matters to them but love.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:05:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Rimadyl
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About six months ago Sweetie was on Rimadyl, and I noticed good
improvement in use of her back legs and increased playfulness. Since she
has been diagnosed with a "patchy liver," vets have advised not using
Rimadyl because it can, according to them, damage the liver.

As to carrying a dog upstairs, etc. when I replied I did not realize how
large the dog was! Apology! Sweetie only weighs 25-29 lbs., which is heavy
enough to cart around.

Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier (back on 1/2 dosage of Anipryl, 5 mg.)
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:35:36 -0700
From: David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Actigall
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At 10:31 AM 3/31/98 +0000, you wrote:
> Research: we've been giving Clea "Actigall" and thought we would give a
>note on our raw data--the poops are green or greenish. Our vet says that
this
>is a good sign as it means that toxins are leaving her body through her
gut and
>by-passing her kidneys.
> Has anyone else encountered this phenomenon in their "field research"?
>Anyone's notes on their experiences using this drug would be greatly
>appreciated. Thanks.
>Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
>trw@virginia.edu
>
>

Tom and group,
Feisal has been on Actigall for about 5 weeks now. Yes, his stool was
greenish (really showed up in the snow) for about the first 3 weeks of
therapy but has now returned to a more normal color. The color change
happens with humans also, it's part bile & bile acids being passed. We give
Actigall immediately after food as it has a tendency to cause nausea on an
empty stomach and Feisal had really lost his appetite until we stopped the
kibbles and started him on a nautural/fresh diet.

Dave & Feisal

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:08:01 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Blindness
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I've heard several stories about blind dogs having companion "seeing eye" dogs
who helped them manuvour and even protected them. Barney sounds like a
sweetheart.

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dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:15:39 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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On Apr 1, 1:05pm, Jenny Kellstedt wrote:
> Subject: Rimadyl
> About six months ago Sweetie was on Rimadyl, and I noticed good
> improvement in use of her back legs and increased playfulness. Since she
> has been diagnosed with a "patchy liver," vets have advised not using
> Rimadyl because it can, according to them, damage the liver.
>
> As to carrying a dog upstairs, etc. when I replied I did not realize how
> large the dog was! Apology! Sweetie only weighs 25-29 lbs., which is heavy
> enough to cart around.

As I used to say about Ivan, "He's not heavy, he's my dog".

I'd carry him for the rest of my life if I could carry him for another day.

>
> Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier (back on 1/2 dosage of Anipryl, 5 mg.)
> jk@bradley.bradley.edu
>
>-- End of excerpt from Jenny Kellstedt

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:17:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Diet/Vitamins
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I know it would be helpful for me if everybody divulged what they are
feeding their dogs, both vitamins and foods, brand names or natural blends
(homemade). Is kibble good or bad for a dog with Cushings? I seem to be
hearing two different views, one that kibble leads to bloat. Anyway, I'll
check out current brand names at home and be more specific in my next
post. This food thing is getting to me, as I am told to feed her kibble
by some, raw meat by others, veggies and fruits by others, and canned dog
food by some (friends, people, vets). I would like to have the information
from all of you to discuss with Sweetie's (new) vet. Thanks.

Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:34:20 -0500
From: DAOsborn@softart.com
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Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
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Kelso eats Nutro Max Lamb and Rice with Pedigree canned food.

Doreen

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Date: 4/1/98 4:17 PM

I know it would be helpful for me if everybody divulged what they are
feeding their dogs, both vitamins and foods, brand names or natural blends
(homemade). Is kibble good or bad for a dog with Cushings? I seem to be
hearing two different views, one that kibble leads to bloat. Anyway, I'll
check out current brand names at home and be more specific in my next post.
This food thing is getting to me, as I am told to feed her kibble
by some, raw meat by others, veggies and fruits by others, and canned dog
food by some (friends, people, vets). I would like to have the information
from all of you to discuss with Sweetie's (new) vet. Thanks.

Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:34:34 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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Hello Jenny and Sweetie, I know this gets difficult, reading all the
different things that we all give our babies and I think that it is a great
idea to talk to your vet, we give Sunny RD wet and RD dry to help reduce her
weight as she put on 5lbs since she has had Cushings, she used to be on KD
wet and dry, but her weight went up to 20lbs and she is a Manchester
Chihuahua and should be 15lbs, she has lost 1lb so far and the vet is very
pleased, but RD is just pure fibre so it goes through very quickly bless
her. Good Luck with the decisions. Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir, Sunny's
cat friend.

At 04:17 PM 4/1/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I know it would be helpful for me if everybody divulged what they are
>feeding their dogs, both vitamins and foods, brand names or natural blends
>(homemade). Is kibble good or bad for a dog with Cushings? I seem to be
>hearing two different views, one that kibble leads to bloat. Anyway, I'll
>check out current brand names at home and be more specific in my next
>post. This food thing is getting to me, as I am told to feed her kibble
>by some, raw meat by others, veggies and fruits by others, and canned dog
>food by some (friends, people, vets). I would like to have the information
>from all of you to discuss with Sweetie's (new) vet. Thanks.
>
>Jenny & Sweetie
>jk@bradley.bradley.edu
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:42:19 -0600
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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Jenny Kellstedt wrote:
> I seem to be
> hearing two different views, one that kibble leads to bloat.

No research has ever shown that--check out the Purdue University
"Bloat Notes", (research on bloat).

http://www.vet.purdue.edu/depts/vad/cae/cgdvweb.html

> I am told to feed her kibble
> by some, raw meat by others, veggies and fruits by others, and canned dog
> food by some (friends, people, vets). I would like to have the information
> from all of you to discuss with Sweetie's (new) vet. Thanks.

We don't know your dog, and shouldn't be making recommendations for your
dog, I think.... Your vet is in the best position to tell you what
is best for your dog. We don't know all of the medical conditions
that your dog has, might be prone to, etc., and could be telling
you to try something that is not appropriate for your dog.
My dog has a long list of serious medical problems, which is why I
take this position--if I followed what someone else does for their
dog, (and their dog may do great on it), it might get my dog
into serious trouble.
Jeri

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:45:16 -0600
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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Hi everyone -

I'm struggling with the same problems. After reading about what goes
into commercial dog food, I am going to stop feeding it to Vincent.
Until what I've got is used up, I'm supplementing it with eggs, turkey
or cottage cheese and some other supplements. As I don't know much
about canine nutrition myself, I'm following closely a book I got on
"natural" health care. My vet says it's a good book in her opinion, and
said she "guaranteed" it would help Vincent's general health to feed him
a natural diet.

I've been so frustrated lately with the question of diet, raw vs.
cooked, vaccinations, medications, heartworm medicine, etc. How are we
to know what is best? Everyone has different opinions, and I never went
to vet school! I don't want to be responsible for all of these
decisions. It used to be so easy when I thought vets and doctors knew
everything.

One thing I do know is that Vincent looks forward to dinner-time as
never before. That's a big factor in my decision to get him away from
commercial dog food. Why shouldn't he have food he enjoys and variety
in his meals? Tasty food is one of the joys in life, isn't it? He
certainly thinks so!

I've started giving him organic vegetables (broccoli, carrots, etc) for
treats.

Ironically, I don't eat nearly this healthy myself. McDonalds for lunch
today. And the organic vegetables are saved for Vincent, I eat the
plain old grocery store ones. I don't take vitamins, but I give them to
him. Doesn't make a great deal of sense, does it?

Take care,

Sandy and Vincent

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:15:18 EST
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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Hello all!

One thing that I might add in the "diets" discussion is that the Hill's
company has available a list of "recipes" for homemade versions of almost all
their prescription diets. We use them in our practice a lot for animals that
we just can't get to eat regular "animal foods". Almost all of the diets use
lean meats, cottage cheese, rice or pasta and vegetables. Ask your vet for
the Hill's recipe sheet....most everyone has it already copied or they can
find it in one of the Hill's Nutrition books.

I am making the homemade "Low Fat" Diet for Arthur and adding to it MISSING
LINK, a whole food supplement. He is doing great on it so far!

Lisa VanNostrand and Arthur

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:57:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Feeding Raw & Vaccinations
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One thing to consider - if your pet has a current rabies vaccination then
anyone bitten by your pet is fairly certain of being safe and so doesn't
need to start rabies treatment (which can be painful). If your pet is not
current on rabies vaccination, the person bitten may need to start the
treatment even though your pet is quarantined.

Here in San Bernardino the rabies vaccination is considered to last 3
years, but you can buy licenses in 1 or 3 year increments.

--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:28:12 -0500
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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Dillon Pyron wrote:

> As I used to say about Ivan, "He's not heavy, he's my dog".
>
> I'd carry him for the rest of my life if I could carry him for another day.

Amen to the MAX!!!

Henry Bliley

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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:58:30 -0600
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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I have just recently switched my mini schnauzers over to Flint River Ranch
kibble only because it has no preservatives and chemicals and is sent
directly from manufacturer - not sitting in warehouses and pet stores. My
one Cushing's female is doing fine and enjoys this food. Both of my dogs
love this food and so far I have not noticed any bloat. Another food that
is highly praised by mini schnauzer lovers is Solid Gold. There is a lot
of debate over foods and everyone thinks theirs is the best, so you have to
decide what is best for your dog. I also try to give them healthy snacks
such as carrots, fruit and FRR dog biscuits.

Both of the above food products have Web pages for more information.

Sue O.

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:26:23 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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Hi Sandy and Vincent, I to am still struggling, but you have a great idea
for Vincent and I am proud of you for doing that for him, maybe we should
eat as healthy as him, keep up the good work. Jackie.

At 05:45 PM 4/1/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi everyone -
>
>I'm struggling with the same problems. After reading about what goes
>into commercial dog food, I am going to stop feeding it to Vincent.
>Until what I've got is used up, I'm supplementing it with eggs, turkey
>or cottage cheese and some other supplements. As I don't know much
>about canine nutrition myself, I'm following closely a book I got on
>"natural" health care. My vet says it's a good book in her opinion, and
>said she "guaranteed" it would help Vincent's general health to feed him
>a natural diet.
>
>I've been so frustrated lately with the question of diet, raw vs.
>cooked, vaccinations, medications, heartworm medicine, etc. How are we
>to know what is best? Everyone has different opinions, and I never went
>to vet school! I don't want to be responsible for all of these
>decisions. It used to be so easy when I thought vets and doctors knew
>everything.
>
>One thing I do know is that Vincent looks forward to dinner-time as
>never before. That's a big factor in my decision to get him away from
>commercial dog food. Why shouldn't he have food he enjoys and variety
>in his meals? Tasty food is one of the joys in life, isn't it? He
>certainly thinks so!
>
>I've started giving him organic vegetables (broccoli, carrots, etc) for
>treats.
>
>Ironically, I don't eat nearly this healthy myself. McDonalds for lunch
>today. And the organic vegetables are saved for Vincent, I eat the
>plain old grocery store ones. I don't take vitamins, but I give them to
>him. Doesn't make a great deal of sense, does it?
>
>Take care,
>
>Sandy and Vincent
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:29:14 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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I am with you there Dillon, if I could I would carry Sadie again, bless you.
Jackie

At 11:28 PM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>Dillon Pyron wrote:
>
>> As I used to say about Ivan, "He's not heavy, he's my dog".
>>
>> I'd carry him for the rest of my life if I could carry him for another day.
>
>Amen to the MAX!!!
>
>Henry Bliley
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:39:41 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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Hi Sue, what are FRR biscuits? Jackie

At 08:58 AM 4/2/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I have just recently switched my mini schnauzers over to Flint River Ranch
>kibble only because it has no preservatives and chemicals and is sent
>directly from manufacturer - not sitting in warehouses and pet stores. My
>one Cushing's female is doing fine and enjoys this food. Both of my dogs
>love this food and so far I have not noticed any bloat. Another food that
>is highly praised by mini schnauzer lovers is Solid Gold. There is a lot
>of debate over foods and everyone thinks theirs is the best, so you have to
>decide what is best for your dog. I also try to give them healthy snacks
>such as carrots, fruit and FRR dog biscuits.
>
>Both of the above food products have Web pages for more information.
>
>Sue O.
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:05:44 -0700
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Actigall
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David & Irene Scott wrote:
>
> At 10:31 AM 3/31/98 +0000, you wrote:
> > Research: we've been giving Clea "Actigall" and thought we would give a
> >note on our raw data--the poops are green or greenish. Our vet says that
> this
> >is a good sign as it means that toxins are leaving her body through her
> gut and
> >by-passing her kidneys.
> > Has anyone else encountered this phenomenon in their "field research"?
> >Anyone's notes on their experiences using this drug would be greatly
> >appreciated. Thanks.
> >Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> >trw@virginia.edu
> >
> >
>
> Tom and group,
> Feisal has been on Actigall for about 5 weeks now. Yes, his stool was
> greenish (really showed up in the snow) for about the first 3 weeks of
> therapy but has now returned to a more normal color. The color change
> happens with humans also, it's part bile & bile acids being passed. We give
> Actigall immediately after food as it has a tendency to cause nausea on an
> empty stomach and Feisal had really lost his appetite until we stopped the
> kibbles and started him on a nautural/fresh diet.
>
> Dave & Feisal

think i must have missed some communications. could someone tell me
what actigall is, is it prescribed by the vet and what does it treat?
thanks.

Cybil & Patti

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:38:33 -0500
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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Solid Gold advertises as being the only holistic dog food on the market--it is,
in my opinion, the best available based on ingredients, manufacturing process,
and proven results.

Henry Bliley

SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI wrote:

> I have just recently switched my mini schnauzers over to Flint River Ranch
> kibble only because it has no preservatives and chemicals and is sent
> directly from manufacturer - not sitting in warehouses and pet stores. My
> one Cushing's female is doing fine and enjoys this food. Both of my dogs
> love this food and so far I have not noticed any bloat. Another food that
> is highly praised by mini schnauzer lovers is Solid Gold. There is a lot
> of debate over foods and everyone thinks theirs is the best, so you have to
> decide what is best for your dog. I also try to give them healthy snacks
> such as carrots, fruit and FRR dog biscuits.
>
> Both of the above food products have Web pages for more information.
>
> Sue O.

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:43:06 -0500
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Actigall
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go to

http://www.rxmed.com/monographs2/actifedx.html

> think i must have missed some communications. could someone tell me
> what actigall is, is it prescribed by the vet and what does it treat?
> thanks.
>
> Cybil & Patti

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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:18:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
Cc: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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In response to my request for information about the diets your dogs are
on, I received the folowing answer from Jeri:

I belong to several other listservs devoted to dogs and health, and we all
share information on our dogs' diets and nutrition. I see no harm in
considering other diets and weighing alternatives WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF
MY VETERINARIAN, who does not claim to have every answer about Cushings or
my dog's specific needs.

The information I have received here about vitamins and dosages, for
example, has been very useful. I have taken print-outs to my vet and
discussed the alternatives, and we have made several beneficial changes in
Sweetie's regimen as a result.

And Jeri, I have been to the Purdue site and read the article on bloat, er
perhaps misread it, as that is where I got the connection between kibble
and bloat.

Shoot me, but I thought this list was created to share information.

Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:55:21 -0600
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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The biscuits are made from the same company, Flint River Ranch. Sorry, we
get used to abbreviating everything so much with email. FRR stands for
Flint River Ranch.
Their biscuits are also all natural ingredients.

Sue O.

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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:00:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Loss
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Dillon's sad words about holding Ivan, if only he could, reminded me of
these lines, perhaps not comforting but reminding us how tenuous life, how
powerful the spirit:

So, if I dream I have you, I have you.
For, all our joys are but fantastical.

_John Donne_

jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:51:29 -0600
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Diet/Vitamins
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Jenny Kellstedt wrote:
> And Jeri, I have been to the Purdue site and read the article on bloat, er
> perhaps misread it, as that is where I got the connection between kibble
> and bloat.

2 people can read the same research and come to different conclusions,
which just makes my point.
The April '96 "Bloat Notes" posted at the Purdue web site says:
"Several suspected dietary factors did *not* increase risk,
i.e., there were scarcely any differences between cases
and controls. These included consumption of dry dog food
(almost every dog did); amount of dry dog food consumed;
consuming dry dog food that had not been moistened before
feeding; and nutritional supplements or
vitamins (few dogs received them). "
(Emphasis mine, not theirs.)
But--you're making the point that it's important to talk
to your vet. I can be posting error-filled information,
even with the best of intentions, and your vet can
correct that, and keep you on track with what's best
for your dog.
Jeri

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 23:14:04 -0500
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Blindness
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<HTML>

<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<PRE>I've heard several stories about blind dogs having companion "seeing eye" dogs
who helped them manuvour and even protected them.  Barney sounds like a
sweetheart.</PRE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
 

<P>When I first found Bo I had a small shepherd mix named Dutchess who
was 16 years old and quite blind. She was also showing signs of senility,
and would often get "lost" in the yard. He would herd her back to the door 
and make sure she came in the house. She had been mostly blind for several
years before Bo came on the scene, but did fairly well  navigating
her familiar environment. She lived to 17 1/2 when a stroke and eye infection
caused her enough suffering for me to have her put to sleep.
<BR>Judy
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:47:33 -0600
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Update
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Hello everyone, well we had a nice trip to Auburn, Sunny was a good baby,
she enjoyed the ride, they shaved her and did the ultrasound, NO TUMOR ON
THE ADRENAL GLAND, we were so HAPPY, they checked all the other organs and
they are okay except the liver which is very, very enlarged, this is part of
Cushings we know, some babies have small ones and some have really enlarged,
Sunny is one of the enlarged ones, we just have to keep an eye on her, as
for the Stim test as well, she was high again, I asked why after over 1 year
can we not get her regulated, they said that she is very sensitive to the
Lysodren and it can take along time to get her regulated, so now we are
going to 1 tab 500mg 3 times a week, M/W/F and then do a Stim test in 1
month, Auburn are going to check out how much Vitamin E we can give her and
we are going to start giving her fresh vegetables in with her food, they
think that it won't hurt her, boy she was a good patient, we had to leave
her for 4 hours and her mum and dad had a hard time during those hours let
me tell you, but we are happy with the news, now we will just pray that she
can tolerate 3 times a week and maybe get her regulated, I will be really
happy when she walks away from her food bowl with food in it and leaves it
alone totally, then I know we are winning. Love to all the babies, kisses
from Sunny, Jackie, Randy, Sunny and of course Saphir who kissed her dog
sister when we got home. XXXOOO Thanks everyone for being there for US.

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:32:11 -0600
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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I'm so happy for every one! I hope this is the start of better times.

Love

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:27:27 -0400
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Sunny......

Atta Girl!!!

Schonus

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:57:46 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Mug Shots
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On March 30, Dillon wrote--

>Bonnie is our "Jannie Come Lately". She came home with us in June of 1995,
>about 4 months after Molly died.
>
>Ivan, Molly and Peter (Carol's parent's dog) were all from the same litter.
>We brought them home at what was claimed to be six weeks, but I'm pretty
>certain it was just a tad younger. Check our's out at
>http://www.flash.net/~pyron

Dillon,

We checked out the photos on your website. Bonnie is a bonnie lass! She
looks like a perfect little lady. Sweet Molly stole our hearts. She had an
aura of love about her, and we wanted to reach out to hug her. And, of course,
Ivan will be our hero forever.
Your a poet! Beautiful!
Hope everyone is putting their dog's mug shot up on the Cushings Photo
Album. It's really a nice family album.

Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:02:26 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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When Clea became too weak to climb the steps, we carried her, her toys,
her midnight snacks, favorite blankets, etc., upstairs each night in a
kidney-shaped laundry basket. Some months ago, she decided that she didn't
really want to sleep upstairs any more. So we moved our bedroom downstairs to
her favorite room. Lucky for us, too, that she's sharing it with us (and Timmy
and Little Rosti) as "her bedroom" is the only room in our house that, for the
moment at least, has a working air conditioner.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:07:32 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Dillon,
A "seeing eye" do for a blind is incredible! Those are the kinds of dogs
for which the Westminster Dog Show should have a special class!!
Yes, Barney was the sweetheart of all sweethearts. He was brilliant,
too.--He was never allowed outside unsupervised so the dog door was closed at
all times. We put a set of bells on a rope on the kitchen doorknob for him to
ring when he wanted to go outside. What a cinch! (He had us trained and under
control in a couple of days.) He taught Clea and her 3 pups how to ring the
bells to go outside as well. At times it sounded like we were living the Bell
Ringers of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:09:22 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Actigalll
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H.D. Bliley--thanks so much for the information on actigall. We are reading
through it now. Thanks again.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:13:20 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Dave & Feisal,
Thanks for sharing your notes with use (Wednesday, 4/1). We started to
worry when Clea's stools weren't so green anymore. And in the past few days
when they looked completely normal, we thought, "Oh no, the medicine isn't
working anymore." We were up close and personal searching the evidence for a
sign of green *somewhere.* What a relief to hear that "normal" is "normal."
It's an Alice-in-Wonderland world we live in with Cushings Disease.

Thanks again.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:14:23 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Good girl Sunny! She deserves a real "badge of courage." Hugs to her.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu