Cushing's Disease/Syndrome | Electronic Forum Digest 29

CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 29

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Cushing's: Vets in NW Houston?
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
2) Blindness
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
3) Actigall
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
4) Diet/Vitamins
by SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
5) cushings dogs with diabetes
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
6) Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
by DAOsborn@softart.com
7) Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
8) Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
9) My baby's eating mud!
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
10) Re: My baby's eating mud!
by DAOsborn@softart.com
11) Re: My baby's eating mud!
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
12) Re: My baby's eating mud!
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
13) Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
by "jeffbeth@interserv.com" <jeffbeth@interserv.com>
14) Re: My baby's eating mud!
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
15) cushing's and diabetes
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
16) early diagnosis
by Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
17) Re: My baby's eating mud!
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
18) Re: cushing's and diabetes
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
19) Re: My baby's eating mud!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
20) Re: early diagnosis
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
21) Re: Diet & vitamins
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
22) Disposing of some stuff
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
23) Re: My baby's eating mud!
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
24) Re: My baby's eating mud!
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
25) Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
26) Re: early diagnosis
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
27) Re: early diagnosis (FWD from Toni)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
28) Re: early diagnosis
by DAOsborn@softart.com
29) National tour schedule
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
30) Re: Bell's Palsy
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
31) Protein
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
32) Common Bond
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
33) Re: Disposing of some stuff
by scott <scott@adams.net>
34) Re: Common Bond
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
35) Re: Common Bond
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
36) Re: Protein
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
37) strange behavior
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
38) Re: strange behavior
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
39) Re: strange behavior
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
40) Re: Common Bond
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
41) Common Bond
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
42) Protein
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
43) Tornadoes
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
44) "Maggie"
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
45) Pumpkin
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
46) Re: strange behavior
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
47) Missing Link
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
48) Re: Common Bond
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
49) Re: Common Bond
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
50) Re: Tornadoes
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
51) Re: "Maggie"
by MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
52) Re: Tornadoes
by Jean Spradlin-Miller <kmiller@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>
53) Hereditary element in Cushings
by David Smith <david@n-w.co.uk>
54) Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
55) Re: "Maggie"
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
56) Research
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
57) Re: Missing Link
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:08:04 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's: Vets in NW Houston?
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Is anyone on the list from Houston? If so, perhaps you could reply
directly to the query below regarding vets in NW Houston. Karla's not
subscribed, so be sure to send your response to <kschmidt@CH2M.com>.

Thanks y'all,

-Leslie

>From: "Schmidt, Karla/GNV" <kschmidt@CH2M.com>
>To: "'lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu'" <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
>Subject: Cushings
>Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:46:34 -0700
>
>Hi,
>
>I understand you have a mailing list for Cushings dogs/families...my dog
>Charlie was diagnosed back in September, and I have not subscribed because I
>have been looking for a job and we will be moving, thus my e mail is going
>to change soon.
>
>Anyway, I am moving to NW Houston and will have to look for new good vet to
>help this disease. Can you help me with suggestions (or from one of your
>subscribers)??
>
>Thanks, it has been a tough several months trying to get him stable, and any
>help would be appreciated!
>
>Karla Schmidt
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:13:48 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Blindness
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Judy--
Just read your note of 4/2 and how Bo gave such tender loving attention to
Dutchess. Heartwarming. Animals are such great people!
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:17:31 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Actigall
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Dave & Feisal:
We took Clea in for her 2-week check up and blood work, and our vet agreed
with all you said on 4/1. She added a few more colors to the rainbow and we
thought we would pass that info along.
A dark orange-brown to green or greenish stool color is typical while a
patient is on actigall. "Normal" is good. A pale tan or gray color is not so
good. One of the possibilities she would look at if that were the case is a
bile duct occlusion.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:49:15 EDT
From: SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
To: Cushings-Pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Diet/Vitamins
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Jenny Kellstedt wrote:
>>I know it would be helpful for me if everybody divulged what they are
feeding their dogs, both vitamins and foods, brand names or natural blends<<

My Shelties receive a "chili" made of raw beef, chicken, turkey, or lamb. In
it is grapefruit seed extract, juiced veggies and bonemeal. I would be happy
to give the recipe to anyone who's interested... email me directly.

Other than that, they get raw chicken wings, fruits and nuts. I'm reading Ian
Billinghurst's book about raw bones and will be working up to lamb shanks and
beef ribs, etc.

This and supplements is what's brought my BJ out of severe Cushings symptoms;
he's not on any "drugs".

Hope this helps you.

Lori
:>) I'm loved by a Cushinoid Puppy Dog!

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:01:19 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: cushings dogs with diabetes
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:11:42 -0500
From: DAOsborn@softart.com
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From what I have read and heard, most vets want to control the
diabetes first, then work on the Cushings. They are not controlled
the same way.

Doreen

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Author: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com> at Internet
Date: 4/8/98 12:01 PM

Anyone out there have a dog with cushings and also diabetes. My main question
is if control of the cushings will also control the diabetes and how long can
you wait to start insulin when fasting blood sugar is almost 500? Gretle has
been on anipryl for 43 days and has reduced thirst but no reduction in blood
sugar. I intend to start insulin next week if there is no reason to expect
results from control of cushings reducing blood sugar. Anyone have advice?
Chester
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Anyone out there have a dog with cushings and
also diabetes.  My main question is if control of the cushings will also
control the diabetes and how long can you wait to start insulin when fasting
blood sugar is almost 500?  Gretle has been on anipryl for 43 days and has
reduced thirst but no reduction in blood sugar.  I intend to start insulin
next week if there is no reason to expect results from control of cushings
reducing blood sugar.  Anyone have advice?</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:23:05 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
"chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
Subject: Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
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The diabetes is "easier" to control, and more imminently life threatening. I
think the vet will want to attack that first. In addition, the insulin
treatment is less insulting to the system, so the changes will be more easily
monitored.

Good luck.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:29:29 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
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I had a good friend who baby had cushings and then developed diabetes, but
unfortunately they could not control the two and the baby had to go to the
rainbow bridge, I will be only to happy to have him contact you via email
and tell you what went wrong if you would like me to. Regards Jackie,
Sunny's mum.

At 12:01 PM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyone out there have a dog with cushings and also diabetes. My main
question is if control of the cushings will also control the diabetes and
how long can you wait to start insulin when fasting blood sugar is almost
500? Gretle has been on anipryl for 43 days and has reduced thirst but no
reduction in blood sugar. I intend to start insulin next week if there is
no reason to expect results from control of cushings reducing blood sugar.
Anyone have advice?
>Chester
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>control the diabetes and how long can you wait to start insulin when fasting
>blood sugar is almost 500?  Gretle has been on anipryl for 43 days and
has
>reduced thirst but no reduction in blood sugar.  I intend to start
insulin
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Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:17:07 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings group <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: My baby's eating mud!
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Hi all-- does anyone have any experience with their cushings dog (or any
other dog I guess) having a craving for mud? Gucci has very little
appetite for her food (Hills perscription k/d canine) but when I let her
out she immediately paws the grass away and starts eating the mud. The
flower bed is one of her favorite places! I even had to lock away all my
house plants. This has been going on for a couple weeks now. She usually
throws up the mud after a little while. I just don't get it.
My vet can't explain it either but she doesn't seem too concerned. I
admit it's a relatively small problem but it is getting annoying
cleaning the carpet every day.
Anyone have a guess?

Ripley, Gucci and Cole

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:31:28 -0500
From: DAOsborn@softart.com
To: cushings group <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>,
kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
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My dogs, one with Cushings and one without both eat dirt, mulch and
grass. I think they are part cow sometimes. I also raised this with
my vet, who also did not seem concerned. I wish I knew why they did
this as well.

Doreen

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings group <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!
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Ebony used to eat dirt, rocks and grass. She rarely threw any of it up
(except the grass). She didn't do it her whole life, just in her old age,
which is also when she developed Cushings.

On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 DAOsborn@softart.com wrote:
> My dogs, one with Cushings and one without both eat dirt, mulch and
> grass. I think they are part cow sometimes. I also raised this with
> my vet, who also did not seem concerned. I wish I knew why they did
> this as well.
> Doreen
> Subject: My baby's eating mud!
> Author: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com at Internet
> Date: 4/8/98 3:17 PM
> Hi all-- does anyone have any experience with their cushings dog (or any
> other dog I guess) having a craving for mud? Gucci has very little
> appetite for her food (Hills perscription k/d canine) but when I let her
> out she immediately paws the grass away and starts eating the mud. The
> flower bed is one of her favorite places! I even had to lock away all my
> house plants. This has been going on for a couple weeks now. She usually
> throws up the mud after a little while. I just don't get it.
> My vet can't explain it either but she doesn't seem too concerned. I
> admit it's a relatively small problem but it is getting annoying
> cleaning the carpet every day.
> Anyone have a guess?
> Ripley, Gucci and Cole
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:17:18 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!
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Penny eats alot of grass when we have it. She ends up throwing up later
when she does it. We are changing her meds again so I am hoping that will
stop. The annipryl was suppressing her too much and we had to put her on
prednisone for a couple of days.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:35:29 -0400
From: "jeffbeth@interserv.com" <jeffbeth@interserv.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
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Our dog JoJo has Cushings and diabetes- diagnosed in March. She started
Anipryl and the vet chose not to give insulin until we saw if the diabetic
symptoms responded after the Anipryl was therapeutic. However, she lost so
much weight during the first 2 weeks that he decided that treatment of the
diabetes was critical. She has been on insulin for about a week and a half.
Although her blood sugar was in a good range, she continued to expereince the
excessive drinking and urination. Just in the last few days those symptoms
seem to be abating somewhat. I wonder if this is due to the Anipryl or the
insulin??

Has Gretel losing a lot of weight? JoJo was just skin and bones by the time
we started the insulin. SHe really hasn't gained much weight that I can tell
but she is acting SO much better since starting the insulin- had been really
sluggish, etc.

Good luck with Gretel.

Beth

chester b. smith wrote:

> Anyone out there have a dog with cushings and also diabetes. My main
> question is if control of the cushings will also control the diabetes and
> how long can you wait to start insulin when fasting blood sugar is almost
> 500? Gretle has been on anipryl for 43 days and has reduced thirst but no
> reduction in blood sugar. I intend to start insulin next week if there is
> no reason to expect results from control of cushings reducing blood sugar.
> Anyone have advice?Chester

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Our dog JoJo has Cushings and diabetes- diagnosed in March.  She started
Anipryl and the vet chose not to give insulin until we saw if the diabetic
symptoms responded after the Anipryl was therapeutic.  However, she
lost so much weight during the first 2 weeks that he decided that treatment
of the diabetes was critical.  She has been on insulin for about a
week and a half.  Although her blood sugar was in a good range, she
continued to expereince the excessive drinking and urination.  Just
in the last few days those symptoms seem to be abating somewhat. 
I wonder if this is due to the Anipryl or the insulin??

<P>Has Gretel losing a lot of weight?  JoJo was just skin and bones
by the time we started the insulin.  SHe really hasn't gained much
weight that I can tell but she is acting SO much better since starting
the insulin- had been really sluggish, etc.

<P>Good luck with Gretel.

<P>Beth

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out there have a dog with cushings and also diabetes.  My main question
is if control of the cushings will also control the diabetes and how long
can you wait to start insulin when fasting blood sugar is almost 500? 
Gretle has been on anipryl for 43 days and has reduced thirst but no reduction
in blood sugar.  I intend to start insulin next week if there is no
reason to expect results from control of cushings reducing blood sugar. 
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:08:42 -0400
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To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!
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yes, I know what you are talking about, my 8 yo Vizsla does it on ocassion
and I don't know why--we live on a golf course and she loves dried
divots--go figure. My other dog would lick the dirt from house plants, and
on ocassion, the ground around the tee. . . . .

perhaps its the salts from the fertilizer????

Henry Bliley

kaykay2@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> Hi all-- does anyone have any experience with their cushings dog (or any
> other dog I guess) having a craving for mud? Gucci has very little
> appetite for her food (Hills perscription k/d canine) but when I let her
> out she immediately paws the grass away and starts eating the mud. The
> flower bed is one of her favorite places! I even had to lock away all my
> house plants. This has been going on for a couple weeks now. She usually
> throws up the mud after a little while. I just don't get it.
> My vet can't explain it either but she doesn't seem too concerned. I
> admit it's a relatively small problem but it is getting annoying
> cleaning the carpet every day.
> Anyone have a guess?
>
> Ripley, Gucci and Cole

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:11:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: cushing's and diabetes
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For those of y'all interested in Diabetes in the Cushinoid dog, I've
posted "Therapy of Concurrent Diabetes Mellitus and Cushing's Syndrome",
from the veterinary textbook _The Adrenal Gland_, to the Cushing's web
page <http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/>

All of the standard "listen to your vet first and formost" warnings apply,
but I hope you find the article useful and informative. I did, especially
the statistic that approximately 5-10% of dogs with Cushing's Syndrome
also have diabetes mellitus! Sounds like Gretel's hardly alone...cuddles
to her and all of the rest of the Cushing's pups.

Finally, an admin note: believe it or not, our **90th** subscriber joined
the list today! Welcome to mlwar@npcc.net and his/her chocolate lab, and
thanks to all of you for making this such a useful, thriving resource.

Warmly,

-Leslie
[Doreen, please note the use of the appropriate Texas pronoun in the first
paragraph above. ;-) ]

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:47:07 -0700
From: Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: early diagnosis
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Hi everyone. I've been reading the list for a while -- overdue thanks for
much welcome information.

Here's my story. Chester's my miniature schnauzer. He's a little guy,
around 16 pounds, energetic, very tuned-in and well-behaved -- looks at
you like he understands (and is fascinated by) what you're saying, or
really apologetic because he didn't quite catch your meaning. He belonged
to my downstairs neighbor, but every time I looked outside he was sitting
there staring into my window, and soon he was spending his free time with
me. So when I had the opportunity (when he was two), I adopted him.

He turned seven last fall, and since he's now considered geriatric, the vet
thought it would be a good idea to do some blood work. All signs led to
Cushing's, and a subsequent ultrasound indicated very large adrenals as
well as "sludgey" gall bladder. The vet thinks Chester will almost
certainly develop Cushing's, but as yet he shows no symptoms. He talked a
little about Anipryl, but he and I are both reluctant to give Chester any
drugs when he's not feeling or appearing sick.

So I was wondering: Is there any reason to administer Cushing's drugs --
Anipryl or Lysodren -- early? And any advice as to other steps I should
take now (diet, supplements, etc.) to delay onset or deal with the
underlying problem? I've followed your reports on your experiences with
helping your dogs overcome symptoms, and I'm wondering if I should go ahead
and treat him as if he's already diagnosed. I'd appreciate any thoughts.

Best -- Jane

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:56:14 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!
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But if she's throwing up, it's a problem--at least for you. When people eat
mud, it's called pica. Caused by vitamin deficiencies I believe. I would
try vitamin and mineral supplements.

>Hi all-- does anyone have any experience with their cushings dog (or any
>other dog I guess) having a craving for mud? Gucci has very little
>appetite for her food (Hills perscription k/d canine) but when I let her
>out she immediately paws the grass away and starts eating the mud. The
>flower bed is one of her favorite places! I even had to lock away all my
>house plants. This has been going on for a couple weeks now. She usually
>throws up the mud after a little while. I just don't get it.
>My vet can't explain it either but she doesn't seem too concerned. I
>admit it's a relatively small problem but it is getting annoying
>cleaning the carpet every day.
>Anyone have a guess?
>
>Ripley, Gucci and Cole
>
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 06:28:56 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: cushing's and diabetes
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For those looking for a website to browse, this is
the diabetes homepage for dogs:

http://www.ktis.net/~mktrower/diabetes/

It has links to lots of information on canine diabetes, and
links to newsgroups, etc.
There is also an email mailing list for canine diabetes.
Jeri kurvenal@ameritech.net

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:50:37 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!
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IN reference to the dirt/grass/mud eating issue.....I have had numerous dogs
that did this and the only thing I can come up with is that for some reason
they may be missing some trace element in their diets that they need. Even on
the "best" dog foods I am sure that some don't utilize all the ingredients to
the fullest. Also, I wonder if the Cushing's dogs aren't motivated by sheer
hunger, since they can never seem to get enough to eat. My own Cushy dog,
Arthur always has had a penchant for the flower bed, both to dig and consume.
This has abated some in the recent months, possibly due to his change in diet
( a combo of raw food and Flint River Ranch) and also perhaps due to his
appetitie change secondary to his Anipryl.

Also, one neat thing I wanted to mention, one of Arthur's symptoms with his
Cushing's was facial nerve paralysis ( sort of like Bell's Palsy). He could
not close one eye and had a droopy ear and lip . Those signs are all
regressing and he is now able to close his eye and his kibbles don't fall out
of his mouth anymore. I'd be interested to know if any of your pups have had
this problem, as I understand it is a rare symptom in Cushing's patients (
less than 10%).

Lisa VanNostrand and "Arthur, Jesse, Mae, Lily, Elmo, and Annabelle "

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:55:16 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: early diagnosis
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Jane,

How wonderful that you have been blessed with such a great companion! It is
equally great that you know what to watch for as far as Cushing's goes. I
have talked with the folks at Pfixer (make Anipryl) and they say that as long
as there are no clinical symptoms, no treatment. Maybe your vet could
recommend a natural diet for
him and that might help stave off the signs of Cushing's a bit longer.

Lisa

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:24:11 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Diet & vitamins
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My poodle, Annie, is under holistic care and that vet recommends a food
called PRECISE. They have a web page. My dogs have been on it for 2
months now and love it and are doing great. I add ground turkey or beef
and brown rice boiled together along with whatever veggies I have on hand.
They also get raw veggies every day. For Annie, the Cushingnoid dog, the
vet recommends vit. B-12 to help with her muscle tone, Vit. C, beta
carotene, and vit. E. She also gets 4 ADHS and one Cytozyme LV pills a
day. This is a holistic supplement from Biotics. Annie is 7 years old and
an active competitior in Agility trials so the holistic regime does her
good.

As a side note, my regular vet asked me what the holistic vet recommended
and at the time we had Annie on just Cytozyme LV from Biotics. The regular
vet tried that on his Cushing's patients and found an immediate
improvement. Some are being maintained solely on that. Unfortunately it
did not work for Annie and she is on Lysodren.

Janice and Annie

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> From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: early diagnosis
> Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 6:55 AM
>
> Jane,
>
> How wonderful that you have been blessed with such a great companion! It
is
> equally great that you know what to watch for as far as Cushing's goes.
I
> have talked with the folks at Pfixer (make Anipryl) and they say that as
long
> as there are no clinical symptoms, no treatment. Maybe your vet could
> recommend a natural diet for
> him and that might help stave off the signs of Cushing's a bit longer.
>
> Lisa

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:49:55 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Disposing of some stuff
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I guess it's time to slowly face reality. We have the following items, which I
would like to send to someone who has both a veterinary and a financial need.
Please contact me privately (dillon.pyron@amd.com)

Lysodren ~20 500mg tabs
Rimadyl unknown quantity
Soloxine .6 mg, some broken in half

Love to all the little ones.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:52:48 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!
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Do you have her on a good multivitamin supplement? This might help.

At least she's not eating something else that's brown and in the yard :-)

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:26:13 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!
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On Apr 8, 8:17pm, Toni Lantto wrote:
> Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!
>
> Penny eats alot of grass when we have it. She ends up throwing up later
> when she does it. We are changing her meds again so I am hoping that will
> stop. The annipryl was suppressing her too much and we had to put her on
> prednisone for a couple of days.
>
> Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and
Gabe.
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from Toni Lantto

Carol has observed that dogs usually wait until new carpet is installed before
taking up such nasty habits.

Molly used to always eat grass. Sometimes we'd watch her in the backyard,
contentedly laying in the sun, chewing her cud. We knew she was a cattle dog
of some sort :-) Bonnie also eats grass every once ina while.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:53:21 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: cushings dogs with diabetes
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Beth
Gretle was losing weight and that was the reason I checked her for =
diabetes. The weight stabilized and is holding steady since the anipryl =
took effect. On the other hand, I switched her to a high fiber diet and =
cut down on sweets, etc., so the diet may be the reason for end of =
weight loss. Gretle did not have severe cushings symptoms so I am not =
positive of what is going on here.
chester
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started Anipryl and the vet chose not to give insulin until we saw if =
the diabetic symptoms responded after the Anipryl was therapeutic. =
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insulin for about a week and a half. Although her blood sugar was in a =
good range, she continued to expereince the excessive drinking and =
urination. Just in the last few days those symptoms seem to be abating =
somewhat. I wonder if this is due to the Anipryl or the insulin??=20
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the time we started the insulin. SHe really hasn't gained much weight =
that I can tell but she is acting SO much better since starting the =
insulin- had been really sluggish, etc.=20

Good luck with Gretel.=20

Beth=20

chester b. smith wrote:=20

Anyone out there have a dog with cushings and also diabetes. =
My main question is if control of the cushings will also control the =
diabetes and how long can you wait to start insulin when fasting blood =
sugar is almost 500? Gretle has been on anipryl for 43 days and has =
reduced thirst but no reduction in blood sugar. I intend to start =
insulin next week if there is no reason to expect results from control =
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:53:52 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: early diagnosis
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What are Chester's Dex suppression and ACTH stim test results? These should be
the driving force for making a medication decision, not the presence of any
signs or symptoms.

In the meantime, you might look at dietary changes, as well as life style
modification. If you haven't done so already, I'd recommend reducing the fat
in his diet, as well as the protein. Talk with your vet about the best way to
do this.

You're doing everything "right" to help Chester live a long, happy life.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:54:29 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: early diagnosis (FWD from Toni)
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:34:45 +0100
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
Subject: Re: early diagnosis

>Get a handle on the disease before they get too sick- it may be too late
>then to help and the disease might take a bigger toll on your dog. The
>symptoms are terrible. Annipryl has fewest side effects.
>
>Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and
Gabe.
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:05:56 -0500
From: DAOsborn@softart.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
Subject: Re: early diagnosis
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Kelso (my scottie) also was borderline Cushings for about 4 months.
The endocrinoligist at Purdue told my vet not to begin treatment until
better indications were available. 4 months later, he began
exhibiting the symptions of drinking and urinating and the tests were
then positive. We then began the treatment with Lysodren and he is
doing very well. I attribute this to the early catch by my vets.

Cushings is very difficult to diagnose and progresses very slowly in
most cases. The treatment can be very dangerous is you are not
absolutely sure.

Jane, where do you live? Is there a specialist in your area that your
vet can consult with?

Doreen

Hey Leslie... this issue was addressed in that video that I am
bringing to you.

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Subject: early diagnosis
Author: Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com> at Internet
Date: 4/8/98 9:47 PM

Hi everyone. I've been reading the list for a while -- overdue thanks for
much welcome information.

Here's my story. Chester's my miniature schnauzer. He's a little guy,
around 16 pounds, energetic, very tuned-in and well-behaved -- looks at
you like he understands (and is fascinated by) what you're saying, or
really apologetic because he didn't quite catch your meaning. He belonged
to my downstairs neighbor, but every time I looked outside he was sitting
there staring into my window, and soon he was spending his free time with
me. So when I had the opportunity (when he was two), I adopted him.

He turned seven last fall, and since he's now considered geriatric, the vet
thought it would be a good idea to do some blood work. All signs led to
Cushing's, and a subsequent ultrasound indicated very large adrenals as
well as "sludgey" gall bladder. The vet thinks Chester will almost
certainly develop Cushing's, but as yet he shows no symptoms. He talked a
little about Anipryl, but he and I are both reluctant to give Chester any
drugs when he's not feeling or appearing sick.

So I was wondering: Is there any reason to administer Cushing's drugs --
Anipryl or Lysodren -- early? And any advice as to other steps I should
take now (diet, supplements, etc.) to delay onset or deal with the
underlying problem? I've followed your reports on your experiences with
helping your dogs overcome symptoms, and I'm wondering if I should go ahead
and treat him as if he's already diagnosed. I'd appreciate any thoughts.

Best -- Jane

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:41:57 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: spokes@pswtech.com, cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: National tour schedule
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Just received info on the tour. Friday , they will be running a "mini course",
set up by the same people doing the main course. Mostly to give those
unfamiliar with the pavement a chance to get dialed in. I have suddenly drawn
a blank on the price, but I think it was $2 a run or 6 for $10. From 10am to
3pm.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
The Army, it's not just an adventure,
It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:31:59 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Bell's Palsy
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Hi Lisa,
Our Sheltie was treated for thyroidism for over a year - it does have similar
symptoms to Cushings and last September developed Bells Palsy - droopy ear, eye,
and tilted head. He was diagnosed with Cushings about 6 weeks ago thanks to
the new vet who has taken over the practice we go to and is now on maintainance
of 500mg weekly of Lysodrene. The Palsy had been slowly improving anyway (as
it does with humans) but it's now almost totally gone. I believe it was also a
very rare condition with Thyroidism but we think he was probably wrongly
diagnosed in the first place. It will go in time so we've been told.....
Regards,
Ann & John Cooper (Kelly's Mum and Dad)

janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

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From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: 09 April 1998 23:52
Subject: Re: My baby's eating mud!

>IN reference to the dirt/grass/mud eating issue.....I have had numerous dogs
>that did this and the only thing I can come up with is that for some reason
>they may be missing some trace element in their diets that they need. Even on
>the "best" dog foods I am sure that some don't utilize all the ingredients to
>the fullest. Also, I wonder if the Cushing's dogs aren't motivated by sheer
>hunger, since they can never seem to get enough to eat. My own Cushy dog,
>Arthur always has had a penchant for the flower bed, both to dig and consume.
>This has abated some in the recent months, possibly due to his change in diet
>( a combo of raw food and Flint River Ranch) and also perhaps due to his
>appetitie change secondary to his Anipryl.
>
>Also, one neat thing I wanted to mention, one of Arthur's symptoms with his
>Cushing's was facial nerve paralysis ( sort of like Bell's Palsy). He could
>not close one eye and had a droopy ear and lip . Those signs are all
>regressing and he is now able to close his eye and his kibbles don't fall out
>of his mouth anymore. I'd be interested to know if any of your pups have had
>this problem, as I understand it is a rare symptom in Cushing's patients (
>less than 10%).
>
>Lisa VanNostrand and "Arthur, Jesse, Mae, Lily, Elmo, and Annabelle "
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:27:45 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Subject: Protein
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Dillon.....

Just out of curiosity...why reduce protein? Schonus is allergic to
beef, pork and lamb so I'm limited. But for some reason I was under the
impression...protein is good for a Cushing's dog?

Linda

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:35:45 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Hi Everyone....

I have been reading everyone's postings now for the past few months and
I was wondering if anyone knew if there is any "common link" between all
our pups!? So far I've figured out it can't be breed, age or
geographical location. Does anyone have any reference on this?

I was also wondering if there is a Canine Cushing's Research Foundation
that is doing research on canine Cushing's....I was just thinking I
would like to make a donation hopefully to make a difference. Any info
would greatly be appreciated!

Thanx....Hugs to All!

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:47:40 -0500
From: scott <scott@adams.net>
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Dillon,
I could use the Lysodren [ as could every one else I guess] If no one else
expresses interest.... if you want some $$$ let me know.

Scott

Dillon Pyron wrote:

> I guess it's time to slowly face reality. We have the following items, which I
> would like to send to someone who has both a veterinary and a financial need.
> Please contact me privately (dillon.pyron@amd.com)
>
> Lysodren ~20 500mg tabs
> Rimadyl unknown quantity
> Soloxine .6 mg, some broken in half
>
> Love to all the little ones.
>
> --
> dillon pyron
> dillon.pyron@amd.com
> The Army, it's not just an adventure,
> It's 24 months of bad food.

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:12:53 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
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When our Kelly was first diagnosed we asked this question of our vet who had
been treating Cushings in UK for the previous 12 years. They had done
considerable research in his practice as to the common cause and there just
didn't seem to be one. He felt it was mainly smaller breed pedigree animals
but on looking at the Cushings Wall of Fame obviously that doesn't fit his
suggestion. They did feel that commercial diets could be a common factor but
it wasn't proved. He did say that he felt that earlier diagnosis and longer
life spans were the reason there was an upsurge in this disease. Our pet was
the first diagnosis at that practice but our new vet had only been there a
fortnight - since then there have been two more! We're just incredibly
grateful he arrived when he did!! Our previous vet had read about but never
seen or treated a Cushingoid dog.
But we would also like to contribute to any research being done.....
Kelly's Mum and Dad
Ann & John Cooper

janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:29:37 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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As far as breed predilection I have seen no research that indicates any
specific links to breed or "purebredness". One common thing is that all our
babies are senior citizens for their respective breeds. I do agree with the
diet-related cause theory to a degree, but it seems that most of the dogs that
are examined postmortem have either pituitary adenomas or adrenal tumors. I
suppose that may be where the diet link could come in.....does nutritional
inadequacy cause cancer? That is a question that human medicine has been
tackling for a long time.

I suppose that what we all have to do for now is to adjust our feeding to
include more wholesome natural foods and use whatever therapies it takes to
maintain our buddies until there is a cure.........

Lisa and "Arthur"

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:54:02 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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On Apr 9, 6:27pm, L Boyce wrote:
> Subject: Protein
> Dillon.....
>
> Just out of curiosity...why reduce protein? Schonus is allergic to
> beef, pork and lamb so I'm limited. But for some reason I was under the
> impression...protein is good for a Cushing's dog?
>
> Linda
>
>-- End of excerpt from L Boyce
In older dogs, protein becomes an issue since you want to reduce the strain on
the renal system. I'll have to look in some of my texts at home to give you a
better description.

BTW, I don't claim to be an expert, but I have tried to learn. In the four
years since Ivan was first diagnosed with hypothyroid, I've learned a great
deal about endocrinology. Enough, it seems, to hold my own when my InterWorks
(HP Users Group) conference co-mingled with a conference of endocrinologists
last year. :-)

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:54:10 -0700
From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi Everyone,

Amber, my 9.5 yo lab/golden mix has been on maintenance (500mg of
lysodren per week) for the past two weeks. She goes in for her retest
in two weeks. Before she was diagnosed and during her loading phase I
had mentioned she could not jump up on our four poster bed. In the past
two days she leaps on there like nothing is wrong with her. She has
also been going into as we say "bullet mode" where she runs around in
the house like she's a puppy again. She has not eaten any dirt yet but
she does eat other delicacies (her poop in the backyard, tissues and
dental floss out of the garbage in the house). She has been scratching
at the grass after she has done her business which she had never done
before. And her appetite is back to her being insatiable. Her skin has
become very dry so we are taking Dillon's advice of the cottage cheese
and flax seed oil. Another thing before I go does, anyone elses pet not
like being brushed???? Amber just hates it and tries to bite the brush.

Thanks for all the help and support.
Happy Easter!!
Amber, Melissa and the rest of the gang.

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:12:23 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: nothingwitty@earthlink.net
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You might also try a conditioner with the shampoo. Although he hated baths
when he was younger, Ivan grew to enjoy them, and the attention. Amber may be
resisting the brushing be so dry.

Be careful, if her appetite is really up, the Cushings may not be totally under
control. You might also try a good vitamin supplement. In addition, canned
pumpkin (not pumpkin pie filling) makes a good low cal filler.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:37:14 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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>In addition, canned
>pumpkin (not pumpkin pie filling) makes a good low cal filler.

Clever, Dillon. I bet Missy would've *loved* that.

-Leslie

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:57:42 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Lookie what I found!! (source:
http://www.publinet.it/GBVC/english/docs/iperadr.html; the original wasn't
perfectly translated from Italian to English, so I've done some editing;
I'll be adding this to the links page of the Cushing's web site)

-Leslie

**************************

Breed predisposition
Natural pituitary hyperadrenocorticism : long-beard, dachshund
Natural adrenal hyperadrenocorticism : Yorkshire, long-beard, dachshund,
terrier
Hiatrogenous hyperadrenocorticism (exogenous): Pirenei sheep-dog

Sexual predisposition
Female animals are more predisposed to have hyperadrenocorticism (three
times more than males)

Predisposition age connected
Typical adult illness: generally between 6 and 16 years (median 11 years)
but also possible before 6 years

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:36:38 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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The reason why I asked the question if there was a "common link", is
because Schonus was diagnosed when he was 5 1/2 y.o. Another reason is
I had read that long term steroid therapy could also cause Cushing's.
Believe it or not...Schonus has terrible allergies both food and
environmental and we tried ONCE to give him 2.5 mg. and he had a
terrible allergic reaction...hence no more cortisone, prednisone, etc.

Linda

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:50:42 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Subject: Protein
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Dillon.....

THANX so much for the info...I never realized that about protein! Just
ONE more reason why Schonus & I are so thankful that you decided to stay
with us and share what you've learned.

Awhile ago you had mentioned about giving vitamins and when Schonus was
started on his maintenance dose, I asked my Vet about it. He said it's
a great idea and Schonus now takes stress vitamins. .

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:38:45 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
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Subject: Tornadoes
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Hope everyone down South and Alabama-way is safe and sound. We just had a
few rumbles overhead with a little rain here in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:39:40 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: "Maggie"
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Lia,
How are you and Maggie doing? OK?
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:02:55 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Dillon...

Went out today and bought a can of pumpkin to see if Schonus would like
it....I wish I had my camera ready so I could have taken a pic to send
to you....I only put a little on a dish to see if he liked it....he got
more on his face than what he ate! It went flying everywhere...he loved
it!!!

Linda and Schonus says "WOOFEROO"!

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:16:58 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Try "Missing Link", a whole food supplement. It really helped with my dog's
itchy dry skin. He has a glorious full coat of hair now despite his Cushing's!

Lisa

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:20:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Lisa...

Does Missing Link have an addy? Who makes it? Details?

Linda

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:21:49 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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The type of Cushing's disease that is caused by over-use of corticosteroids is
called "Iatrogenic Cushing's disease" . The thing about that type is that
once the animal is "weaned" off the exogenous steroids, the symptoms will
abate and they return to practically normal. Most all veterinarians are
conscious of this problem and avoid it if possible.

Lisa

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:54:01 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Common Bond
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My poodles was 5 1/2 years old when diagnosed and that is hardly a senior
citizen in a breed that lives to be 16. I also have several boarding
clients who were diagnosed at a young age--the youngest was a Schnauzer who
was just over 3. None of these dogs were on prednisone for extended
periods.

My vet feels that Cushing's CAN be a familial trait. Lines which produce
Cushing's should be monitored carefully for any more problems. In my case,
my poodle is of my own breeding going back for 6 generations. The breeding
was from unrelated parents. I have never had a problem except for this one
dog and a careful polling of breeders of this size & color of poodle has
not turned up any other Cushinoid dogs.
On the other hand, I have seen more than a few mini schnauzers with
Cushing's.

The Morris Animal Foundation grants research funds for specific studies.
They would be the ones to contact regarding research on Cushing's.

Janice & Annie

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> From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Common Bond
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 6:21 PM
>
> The type of Cushing's disease that is caused by over-use of
corticosteroids is
> called "Iatrogenic Cushing's disease" . The thing about that type is
that
> once the animal is "weaned" off the exogenous steroids, the symptoms will
> abate and they return to practically normal. Most all veterinarians are
> conscious of this problem and avoid it if possible.
>
> Lisa

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:59:41 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Tornadoes
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Thank you for thinking of us. I live in Dunwoody, GA which was hit pretty
hard on Wednesday night. Fortunately, my home is in the center of the U-
shaped destruction 1/2 mile from us on all sides. Very scary! Never having
been through a tornado before, I now know the signs...The neighborhoods around
us are lovely in the spring, and all the azaleas, dogwoods and tulips are in
bloom, but now it truly looks like a war zone! Our area only lost one person
which was amazing what with all the damage...My Maggie was trembling in my
arms (60 lbs of shaking fur) all night long. She knew what was happening
before I did, but once it was over she was fine. I wish I had her short mind
retention (sometimes I do). By the way, she is now on Lysodren maintenance
(her second week) and I look forward to having her tested again to see how
she's doing. Just by what I can see, she's doing fine and we all thought
she'd be sick as she has a pretty delicate gastro system. Right now, I am
thanking God for a lot of things. Kind of makes you glad for what (and who)
you've got!

Lois in Georgia

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
Cc: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: "Maggie"
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On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Tom White wrote:

> Lia,
> How are you and Maggie doing? OK?

We're mostly okay, thanks for asking. I'm horribly busy with schoolwork
(with a few assignments left, but possibly failing a *very* important
course, which would mean I'd have to do it over and not graduate this
May :( ).
Maggie's got a lot of spunk right now, and a decent amount of
energy, which is encouraging. I've currently got her on milk thistle,
which *seems* to be helping, and sometimes half an aspirin for her pain (I
know she's in pain when she gets very cranky and starts going after the
cats for no good reason. Once she's had her aspirin she settles down and
is more content).
She's been having more accidents in the house lately, which is a problem.
I don't know why. She still drinks a lot (which explains the peeing, but
not the pooping), but doesn't attack her food as soon as it's put down
which is weird since I've NEVER known a dog who didn't do that :)

I'm looking into getting her flaxseed oil for her coat as she hates being
brushed like other people have described. And we might try the pumpkin :)
She loves vegetables of every kind, and eats people's veggie scraps, but
won't touch mushrooms :)

I guess that's Maggie for now. She should probably go to the vet soon, to
be checked out and have her (ew) anal glands cleaned out, but that'll be
in a couple of weeks once the term is over.

Hope everybody else's pups are doing well....cheers from me and Maggles!

Lia

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Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:54:47 -0700
From: Jean Spradlin-Miller <kmiller@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Tornadoes
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Tom,

Thanks for you note of concern. My side of town was not affected, but
my sister went to high school and college with one of the victims.

We've never seen anything like it here. Usually a tornado is down and
then back up in the clouds quickly. But this one was an F5, on the
ground for 15-20 miles!!!! It lifted back into the clouds just short of
the downtown area. If it had gone two miles farther, we may have lost
hundreds more people.

All of you keep the victims and their families in your thoughts and
prayers.

Jean Spradlin-Miller

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:38:16 +0100
From: David Smith <david@n-w.co.uk>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hereditary element in Cushings
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Hi,

We've just had our second dog diagnosed with Cushings at the age of 12. =
Rigsby is a minature schnauzer, who has always enjoyed good health but =
suddenly went downhill following the death of his mother recently. A =
couple of years ago, his half sister Chutney (same mother, different =
father) was also diagnosed with the disease, but too late to save her. =
As you can imagine.

It seems strange that we should see two occurences of what is a =
relatively rare syndrome in the same family, and we am wondering whether =
there is any knowledge of a possible hereditary or environmental link =
that may be to blame?

Many thanks for your time, and for providing such a worthwhile and =
informative site.

Best regards,

David & Jill Smith
Norfolk, England.

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 13:16:04 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
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> Hi, We've just had our second dog diagnosed with Cushings at the
>age of 12. Rigsby is a minature schnauzer, who has always enjoyed good
>health but suddenly went downhill following the death of his mother
>recently. A couple of years ago, his half sister Chutney (same mother,
>different father) was also diagnosed with the disease, but too late to
>save her. As you can imagine. It seems strange that we should see two
>occurences of what is a relatively rare syndrome in the same family, and
>we am wondering whether there is any knowledge of a possible hereditary
>or environmental link that may be to blame? Many thanks for your time,
>and for providing such a worthwhile and informative site. Best regards,
> David & Jill Smith Norfolk, England.

I was told by my vet that there was no hereditary element to worry about. I
have two of Penny's offspring in my house and pray ever day that he is
right. I also have on who has Penny in him on both sides of the family tree
which makes me more concerned about the hereditary aspect of this disease.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:34:23 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: "Maggie"
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Hi Lia,
Glad to hear that Maggie is relatively well, as well as our
Cushings babies get. Good luck with the exams and here's to a successful
graduation.
Dave & Eileen
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From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: "Maggie"

>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Tom White wrote:
>
>> Lia,
>> How are you and Maggie doing? OK?
>
>We're mostly okay, thanks for asking. I'm horribly busy with schoolwork
>(with a few assignments left, but possibly failing a *very* important
>course, which would mean I'd have to do it over and not graduate this
>May :( ).
>Maggie's got a lot of spunk right now, and a decent amount of
>energy, which is encouraging. I've currently got her on milk thistle,
>which *seems* to be helping, and sometimes half an aspirin for her pain (I
>know she's in pain when she gets very cranky and starts going after the
>cats for no good reason. Once she's had her aspirin she settles down and
>is more content).
>She's been having more accidents in the house lately, which is a problem.
>I don't know why. She still drinks a lot (which explains the peeing, but
>not the pooping), but doesn't attack her food as soon as it's put down
>which is weird since I've NEVER known a dog who didn't do that :)
>
>I'm looking into getting her flaxseed oil for her coat as she hates being
>brushed like other people have described. And we might try the pumpkin :)
>She loves vegetables of every kind, and eats people's veggie scraps, but
>won't touch mushrooms :)
>
>I guess that's Maggie for now. She should probably go to the vet soon, to
>be checked out and have her (ew) anal glands cleaned out, but that'll be
>in a couple of weeks once the term is over.
>
>Hope everybody else's pups are doing well....cheers from me and Maggles!
>
> Lia
>
>
>===========================================================================
===
> "The slogan `Vote for me and I'll lend you my pants', can often be
> misconstrued" ---Jerry Boyle, This Hour Has 22 Minutes
> Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
> lmbrown@trentu.ca anlmb@blaze.trentu.ca
>===========================================================================
===
>Palpatine's dead. Vote Wedge. Antilles/Celchu '00!
>

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:31:56 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Research
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Thanx Janice....do you happen to have an address for that research
foundation?

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:04:54 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Missing Link
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Use your Web searcher and look for "Missing Link Dog Supplement".....I don't
have the web address here at home, and the only package I have here has been
opened and put in an air-tight container.

I have been using it for some time now for my four dogs ( including one with
Cushing's) and it has made a tremendous difference in their haircoats and skin
suppleness. Many of my patients use it too and most have had beneficial
results within a couple of months.

Lisa