CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 30
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Pumpkin
by LynneYoung <LynneYoung@aol.com>
2) Re: Pumpkin
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
3) Re: Common Bond
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
4) Re: Missing Link
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
5) Re: Missing Link
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
6) Cushing's web page
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
7) Urination
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
8) Re: Urination
by floyd@zianet.com
9) Re: Urination
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
10) Re: Urination
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
11) Re: Missing Link
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
12) Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
13) Re: Update
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
14) Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
15) Re: Update
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
16) Re: Update
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
17) Re: Update
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
18) Mollie Bear
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
19) Uncontrolled
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
20) Borderline diagnosis
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
21) Re: Mollie Bear
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
22) lysodren/high fat diet
by David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
23) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
24) Re: Update
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
25) Re: Borderline diagnosis
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
26) Re: Cushing's web page
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
27) Cushing's: high-fat diets
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
28) Re: Cushing's: high-fat diets
by floyd@zianet.com
29) Re: Uncontrolled
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
30) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
31) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
32) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
33) Pill schedules (was: Re: Update
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
34) Tornadoes
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
35) "Maggie"
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
36) Re: Update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
37) Re: Tornadoes
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
38) Re: Uncontrolled
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
39) Brittiany
by Rich Herrmann <riju@bright.net>
40) Re: Mollie Bear
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
41) Re: Update
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
42) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
43) Re: Brittiany
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
44) Coping?
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
45) Re: Pill schedules (was: Re: Update
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
46) Re: Coping?
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
47) Small World!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
48) Anti Oxidants
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
49) Another Mistake!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
50) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
51) Re: Mollie Bear
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
52) Re: Mollie Bear
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
53) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
54) Re: Coping?
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
55) Re: Coping?
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
56) Re: Mollie Bear
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
57) Re: Anti Oxidants
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
58) Re: Research
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
59) Re: Anti Oxidants
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
60) Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
61) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
62) Re: Coping?
by floyd@zianet.com
63) Cushings and Diabetes
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
64) Re: Cushings and Diabetes
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
65) Re: Cushings and Diabetes
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
66) Cushings & Diabetes
by Rich Herrmann <riju@bright.net>
67) Re: Small World!
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
68) New Canine Crossbreeds (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
69) Re: Update
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
70) Hair colour
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
71) Re: Mollie Bear
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
72) Re: New Canine Crossbreeds (fwd)
by floyd@zianet.com
73) Re: Cushings & Diabetes
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
74) Re: Research
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
75) Research Foundation
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
76) Hair Regrowth
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
77) Re: Mollie Bear
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
78) Re: Mollie Bear
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
79) Re: Mollie Bear
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
80) Greyhound
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
81) Re: Hair Regrowth
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
82) Re: Hair colour
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
83)
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
84) Re: Greyhound
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
85) Re: Hair Regrowth
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
86) Re: Mollie Bear
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
87) Re: Greyhound
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
88) Re: Mollie Bear
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
89) Re: Update
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
90) Re: Mollie Bear
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
91) Re: Hair Regrowth
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
92) Re: Mollie Bear
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
93) Re: Cushings & Diabetes
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
94) Re: Hair colour
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
95) Giving medications
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
96) Pills
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
97) I do not see any postings
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
98) Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
99) Re: I do not see any postings
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
100) Re: I do not see any postings
by Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
101) Re: I do not see any postings
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
102) Re: I do not see any postings
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
103) Re: Brittiany
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
104) Little Secret
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
105) Crossbreeds
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
106) Vaccinations
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
107) Hair Regrowth
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
108) Hair Color
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
109) Another Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
110) More pill camouflage
by Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
111) Re: Mollie Bear
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
112) Re: Mollie Bear
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
113) Prayers
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
114) Re: Mollie Bear
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
115) Re: Another Update
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
116) Re: More pill camouflage
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
117) Re: More pill camouflage
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
118) Cushing's Gallery Additions
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
119) Brittiany
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
120) Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
121) Pet Gallery
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
122) Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
123) Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
124) Missing Link
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
125) [Fwd: Re: price list for missing link for canines]
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
126) Cushing's: Missing Link
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
127) Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
128) Cushing's Introduction - Long
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
129) Hair
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
130) Hereditary Element in Cushings
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
131) Hair
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
132) test results
by Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
133) Missing Link
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
134) Here We Go Again!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
135) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
136) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
137) Re: test results
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
138) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
139) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
140) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
141) Re: Little Secret
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
142) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
143) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
144) Re: Here We Go Again!
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
145) Staph
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
146) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
by Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
147) Dudley Cushings
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
148) Downunder Query
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
149) Cushings and Epilepsy
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
150) Re: Here We Go Again!
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
151) Re: Mollie Bear
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
152) Re: Mollie Bear
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
153) Re: More pill camouflage
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
154) Re: Brittiany
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
155) Re: Missing Link
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
156) Re: Hiding Pills
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
157) Re: Here We Go Again!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
158) Re: Here We Go Again!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
159) Food
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
160) Brittiany
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
161) Re: Downunder Query
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
162) Re: Cushings and Epilepsy
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
163) Re: Food
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
164) Re: Food
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
165) Re: Food
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
166) Re: Food
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
167) Re: Food
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
168) Re: Dudley Cushings
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
169) Re: More pill camouflage
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
170) Re: More pill camouflage
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:25:36 EDT
From: LynneYoung <LynneYoung@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pumpkin
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OUr shelties have been getting canned pumpkin in their dinner for 4 yrs
now..
including our cushings dog "Heaven"...shelties have been given
labradors
stomachs, and with or without cushings will eat themselves into
oblivion...Chris Zink "the canine athlete vet recommended it at Camp
Gone to
the Dogs back then and I think it helps keep their stools firm, and give
fibre
and betacaratene...enjoy pups!.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:18:47 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pumpkin
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On Apr 11, 7:02pm, L Boyce wrote:
> Subject: Pumpkin
> Dillon...
>
> Went out today and bought a can of pumpkin to see if Schonus would
like
> it....I wish I had my camera ready so I could have taken a pic to send
> to you....I only put a little on a dish to see if he liked it....he
got
> more on his face than what he ate! It went flying everywhere...he
loved
> it!!!
>
> Linda and Schonus says "WOOFEROO"!
>
>-- End of excerpt from L Boyce
Brought a smile to my face. I can just imagine it :-)
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:14:15 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Common Bond
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I'm sure it has been published very often, but how do I get to the
Cushing's Web page that you mention?
Thank you.
Sue O.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:22:45 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Missing Link
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I just started adding Missing Link to my 2 mini schnauzers food (one
has
Cushing's) and I have a dumb question. I feed my two dry kibble, do you
sprinkle it on like it is or do you mix it with a little water or broth
first? Storing it in a sealed container is a great idea - I would think
the bag would be a nuisance after awhile.
Thanks for your help.
Sue O., Ginger and Riker
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:48:20 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Missing Link
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I use Flint River Ranch dog food, both the kibble and the "Dry Water",
so my
dog's food is moist anyway. I would think that wetting the food a bit
would
ensure that they get all of the powder.
If it takes you a long time to use a bag of Missing Link, I would suggest
not
only a sealed container, but also refridgeration. I keep mine in a big
instant coffee jar in the fridge.
Lisa
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:55:20 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's web page
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The Cushing's Web page is located at:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/
I'm doing some major behind the scenes revising of the page right now,
so
please feel free to send in any pictures, stories, articles, or other great
suggestions so that they can be incorporated into the new, improved pages.
If any of you are graphic artists (computer or otherwise), we could really
use a snazzy logo for our little group. Anyone up to the challenge?
-Leslie
At 09:14 AM 4/13/98 -0500, SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI wrote:
>I'm sure it has been published very often, but how do I get to the
>Cushing's Web page that you mention?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Sue O.
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:35:45 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: siniard-rc@fhssmtp.redstone.army.mil
Subject: Urination
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Hello everyone, we hope you all had a wonderful Easter, my how the time
is
flying by. Sunny did not have good stim results, but we now have her on
500mg M/W/F for the next 3 weeks and then we will do another stim test,
my
question to all of you today is do any of your babies have a urination
problem, this does not happen every day mind you, maybe every 5-6 weeks,
yesterday this happened, Sunny was outside and did her normal pee pee, then
off she would go again, and again, in the end my poor child tried to go
15
times, then later on she acted as if nothing had happened. We had a culture
done at Auburn on her bladder and they said there was nothing growing,
apparently Cushings dogs do get things growing in there bladders that is
why
they have to be checked ever so often, but anyway, has anyone had this
problem. Love to all the babies, Jackie and Sunny, Randy and Saphir
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:06:35 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Urination
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Jackie Siniard wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, we hope you all had a wonderful Easter, my how the
time is
> flying by. Sunny did not have good stim results, but we now have her
on
> 500mg M/W/F for the next 3 weeks and then we will do another stim test,
my
> question to all of you today is do any of your babies have a urination
> problem, this does not happen every day mind you, maybe every 5-6 weeks,
> yesterday this happened, Sunny was outside and did her normal pee pee,
then
> off she would go again, and again, in the end my poor child tried to
go 15
> times, then later on she acted as if nothing had happened. We had
a culture
> done at Auburn on her bladder and they said there was nothing growing,
> apparently Cushings dogs do get things growing in there bladders that
is why
> they have to be checked ever so often, but anyway, has anyone had this
> problem. Love to all the babies, Jackie and Sunny, Randy and Saphir
>
> Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
> worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
>
> Jacqueline P. Siniard
> Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
> Materials Science Building Room C206
> Huntsville, Alabama 35899
> ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
> e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Jackie,
i understand that bladder infections are common in cushing babies, since
their immune system is compromised. Cybil gets 1000 mg of vitamin C
daily, one of the reasons being that it acidifies the urine and helps
avoid bladder problems. might ask your vet.
Patti & Cybil
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:39:39 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: siniard-rc@fhssmtp.redstone.army.mil
Subject: Re: Urination
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At 11:35 AM 4/13/98 -0500, Jackie Siniard wrote:
> Sunny was outside and did her normal pee pee, then
>off she would go again, and again, in the end my poor child tried to
go 15
>times, then later on she acted as if nothing had happened. We had a
culture
>done at Auburn on her bladder and they said there was nothing growing,
>apparently Cushings dogs do get things growing in there bladders that
is why
>they have to be checked ever so often, but anyway, has anyone had this
>problem.
Missy had this same problem, trying to pee seemingly a dozen times each
time she went out. We never did really pursue it, though.
>From what I understand, urinary tract infections are pretty common
in
Cushinoid pups, and having had a UTI myself, I can tell you that my
behavior was a lot like what you see Sunny doing! ;-) With humans, the
treatment is antibiotics--probably the same thing for pups.
Give Sunny a good nuzzling for me,
-Leslie
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:23:02 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Urination
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>Hello everyone, we hope you all had a wonderful Easter, my how the
time is
>flying by. Sunny did not have good stim results, but we now have her
on
>500mg M/W/F for the next 3 weeks and then we will do another stim test,
my
>question to all of you today is do any of your babies have a urination
>problem, this does not happen every day mind you, maybe every 5-6 weeks,
>yesterday this happened, Sunny was outside and did her normal pee pee,
then
>off she would go again, and again, in the end my poor child tried to
go 15
>times, then later on she acted as if nothing had happened. We had a
culture
>done at Auburn on her bladder and they said there was nothing growing,
>apparently Cushings dogs do get things growing in there bladders that
is why
>they have to be checked ever so often, but anyway, has anyone had this
>problem. Love to all the babies, Jackie and Sunny, Randy and Saphir
>
>Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
>worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
>
>Jacqueline P. Siniard
>Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
>The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>Materials Science Building Room C206
>Huntsville, Alabama 35899
>ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
>e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
We kind of wonder sometimes if Penny can turn it off. She has had 1 bladder
infection that developed very quickly-2 days after she saw the vet. She
had
an accident in the house and there was blood in it. I knew what that meant
so I called the vet and they got her in within the half hour and got her
right on antibiotics. She hasn't had one since then.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:32:56 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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Thank you. I also feed my two Flint River Ranch kibble. The Missing
Link
bag says on it to refrigerate after opening, so I have already done that.
My dogs have beards and I could just imagine that powder all over their
beards, floor, furniture, etc. I think you get the picture. (grin).
Sue O.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:28:10 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Hi Everyone.
Boy, you wanna talk about infections! For the past three months we've
been battling a staph infection in Schonus' paws. Went thru a gazillon
antibiotics and finally found something that worked. That started
healing up and then whamo....an ear infection and a patch of skin on his
belly looked like it was infected. More antibiotics!
This morning he started to dig at his ear and moaned terribly. Called
the Vet and now we find out both of his ears are so infected that he was
placed on MORE antibiotics and if it doesn't work in 10 days, they will
have to puncture the tympanic membrane....kinda like the procedure they
do on a child when they have persistent ear infections and insert
tubes...they do the same procedure only no tubes. The Vet said it was a
good thing that it wasn't on the other side of the ear as then we'd be
looking at meningitis, etc. It was only 10 days ago when it was only
one ear and now it's gotten to this point!
Also found out today that the patch of red skin was not an infected
area. It's an area of calcium deposit. Forget the exact name what it
was called....heck..at this point I'm lucky if I can remember my own
name!
Hope all is well with everyone and thanks for listening!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:46:08 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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>Hi Everyone.
>
>Boy, you wanna talk about infections! For the past three months we've
>been battling a staph infection in Schonus' paws. Went thru a gazillon
>antibiotics and finally found something that worked. That started
>healing up and then whamo....an ear infection and a patch of skin on
his
>belly looked like it was infected. More antibiotics!
>
>This morning he started to dig at his ear and moaned terribly. Called
>the Vet and now we find out both of his ears are so infected that he
was
>placed on MORE antibiotics and if it doesn't work in 10 days, they will
>have to puncture the tympanic membrane....kinda like the procedure they
>do on a child when they have persistent ear infections and insert
>tubes...they do the same procedure only no tubes. The Vet said it was
a
>good thing that it wasn't on the other side of the ear as then we'd
be
>looking at meningitis, etc. It was only 10 days ago when it was only
>one ear and now it's gotten to this point!
>
>Also found out today that the patch of red skin was not an infected
>area. It's an area of calcium deposit. Forget the exact name what
it
>was called....heck..at this point I'm lucky if I can remember my own
>name!
>
>Hope all is well with everyone and thanks for listening!
>
>Linda & Schonus
Will be praying that this is the end of all the terrible health for your
baby and things improve quickly!
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:56:05 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Update
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Toni...
Thanx so much! It sure does feel good to have a place to come to to
"let it all out". Sometimes I wish so much our "babies"
could talk so
we could get medical help for them faster instead of trying to "figure
out" why they are moaning, etc.
It sure is getting hard trying to spread out Heartworm pills,
antibiotics, Lysodren, etc over a 24 hour period and not upset his
belly! We'll just keep "plugging"!!
Linda
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:07:07 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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>Toni...
>
>Thanx so much! It sure does feel good to have a place to come to to
>"let it all out". Sometimes I wish so much our "babies"
could talk so
>we could get medical help for them faster instead of trying to "figure
>out" why they are moaning, etc.
>
>It sure is getting hard trying to spread out Heartworm pills,
>antibiotics, Lysodren, etc over a 24 hour period and not upset his
>belly! We'll just keep "plugging"!!
>
>Linda
We just had a serious set back with Penny that we had to sort out. Thank
God we have a great vet. We don't start the heartworm until next month.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:29:17 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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Poor Schonus, what an ordeal he's had to go through. I bet you're getting
to be just about the best pill-pusher around, Linda ;-) I'm really
cheering for Schonus--I've grown so fond of him from reading your updates.
Also, his face on the gallery page is so sweet and funny. He makes me
smile whenever I see his picture.
I sure remember how hard it was to balance Missy's medications, just
as you
describe for Schonus. I especially remember one time when we didn't do
it
well at all: we had given Missy her weekly Lysodren and, per the vet's
recommendation, also gave her a little (human prescription) cough syrup
for
her pain (can't remember exactly what it was, but I believe it was
narcotic). Boy oh boy was she messed up! Poor thing couldn't keep her
eyes open. She'd fall asleep sitting up with her little tongue hanging
out
just a bit. It was just like I remember experiencing in a particularly
boring class at school--her head would droop until her chin hit the floor
and she'd wake up. I suppose I shouldn't laugh about it because the
outcome of the mix could've been *really* bad, but it was pretty comical
to
watch.
Hope Schonus' infections clear up soon and without surgery!
-Leslie
At 06:56 PM 4/13/98 -0300, L Boyce wrote:
>Toni...
>
>Thanx so much! It sure does feel good to have a place to come to to
>"let it all out". Sometimes I wish so much our "babies"
could talk so
>we could get medical help for them faster instead of trying to "figure
>out" why they are moaning, etc.
>
>It sure is getting hard trying to spread out Heartworm pills,
>antibiotics, Lysodren, etc over a 24 hour period and not upset his
>belly! We'll just keep "plugging"!!
>
>Linda
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:31:15 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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The calcium deposit in the skin is called "Calcinotis Cutis"........
Lisa
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:35:15 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Mollie Bear
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Hi, just discovered your group yesterday. Thanks for all the info.
I've
been through 2 vets so far with no real confidence in either. I'm off to
a
vet teaching college next week. Hopefully I'll get good news but I'm afraid
it won't be.
Mollie Bear is the most beautiful dog in the world. She's an 8 yr old
keeshond mix who has so much personality--though not the most affectionate
in
the world. She was diagnosed 3/97 after her coat wouldn't grow back from
a
"summer" hair cut. She was placed on a massive dose of Lysodren
which nearly
killed her. I switched vets at that point to a more conservative approach.
My vet speaks of her as if she were already dead. Not very comforting.
This past week has been extremely difficult. We're back to drinking tons
of
water, sitting outside in the snow and panting. I think the only symptom
she
doesn't have is her coat is beautiful again. She's restless, pacing and
she
barks A LOT. She's always been a vocal dog but she's bumped it up a notch.
And of course she's quite a bit overweight and a bit lazy (unless there's
food
around).
Luckily we live in Wyoming where there are no fleas/heartworms so there
are
no other meds she has to take. Guess I have to look for something good
in
this. I'm a bit depressed about her condition as you can see.
Anyway, the question is: My first vet told me she needed to be on a
high
fat diet to best absorb the lysodren. Has anyone heard that? I haven't
done
that but I've been putting veg oil (his suggestion) on her food along with
her
dosage of lysodren. Lord knows she doesn't need a high fat diet. Would
the
flaxseed oil be better? I've seen that on the digests.
Thanks for your help and support. Sorry to be so longwinded. Debbie
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:51:33 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Uncontrolled
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Hi. I'm new and haven't written before. My dog C.B. was diagnosed about
a
year ago. She started out on two loading doses in the beginning and was
under control somewhat. Her main symptoms were constant, never stopping
panting and some hair loss. I didn't realize she was drinking alot until
after loading doses she didn't drink as much. Her hair coat grew back as
thick as ever, can't even put a comb through it. Panting was somewhat under
control but never really stopped altogether. We put her on a maintenance
dose after she stopped eating of 1500 mg weekly. About two months ago she
started panting 100% of the time again and just walking around driving me
crazy. Wouldn't sit or lay down. At that time started a second dose mid
week of 750 mg. That didn't seem to help so now she has been on another
loading dose of 750 mg twice a day since a week ago last Thursday with no
better results. She goes tomorrow for another ACTH stim test. She has had
them every two months and they have increasingly been getting worse. She
is
also on Phenobarbitol, Rimadyl, Soloxine and Phenylpropanolomine. She is
my
constant companion following me around wherever I go, like she is afraid
I'm going to leave her. Has anyone else had this much trouble with keeping
the Cushings under control? And if it doesn't get under control, what's
next? Linda & C.B.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:24:02 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Borderline diagnosis
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Hello to all on the list,
My name is Wendy and my 9 yr old Yorkie, Muffin, has been in and out
of
the vet's over the last month. I took her in for a geriatric check up
and was floored to hear she had very high alk-phos readings on her liver
screen. Everything else was normal except that her blood was very
lipimic. We're still not sure if that's her normal situation or if it's
something abnormal. The vet put her on the Hills k/d diet to see if
that would bring her alk-phos values down, but that diet gave her a
pancreatitis attack which was treated with hospitilization and IV fluids
for 4 days. Then she was changed to d/d, but the vet said her lipase
level was still high and thought she might have a pancreas or liver
tumor. Meanwhile, her low-dose dex test came back borderline.
We rushed her to the U of MN vet teaching hospital (6 hr drive) because
our vet was so worried about her continued high lipase levels. It
turned out the levels weren't abnormally high, but my local vet's lab
couldn't handle her lipimic blood. While Muffin was at the hospital, we
went through with having an ultrasound of her liver, spleen, pancreas
and adrenals (a procedure not available locally). Besides the liver
being slightly enlarged, all were normal, especially the adrenals. The
liver was biopsied to see if there were any Cushinoid changes or
anything else to explain the high alk-phos levels. They also did a new
low-dose dex test which came back borderline again. The biopsy results
point towards a possible small liver shunt. Enough to make things hard
for her liver, but sub-clinical. No signs of Cushinoid changes. She's
now on r/d diet to try to avoid both Cushings and calm her liver.
Now you've got our history as it stands. Does anyone have any
experience with this early stage with a borderline Cushing's diagnosis?
Is there any way of knowing when or if she'll develop full-blown
Cushing's? Have any of you had to deal with pancreatitis in your pups
that was attributed to Cushing's? The vet at U of MN have said there's
no treatment indicated at this early stage since she's sub-clinical and
her test results are borderline. All they can recommend is that she
stay on the r/d diet for both the Cushing's and her liver, and have the
test redone in 6 months. It's not that I'm wanting to start treatment
yet, but would like to know if anyone else has been where we are now.
Sorry for the length. I've been reading the list for a couple of weeks
now and am so thrilled to have a forum to voice questions and concerns
with people who have been there.
Thanks,
Wendy & Muffin
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:37:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Debbie,
I used to live in Cheyenne and took my dog to the University of Colorado
Veterinary Clinic in Fort Collins. I heartily recommend them! I know just
what you mean about the vets, very much my experience, too, but we have
to
fight for our babies, don't we?
I just met a young woman of 32 yrs. who has an inoperable pituitary tumor.
I know my mouth dropped open when she told me! Whoa, you have CUSHINGS?
Anyway, she thinks that a severe trauma to the head (a brain-damaged
former student of hers rapped her on the temple with a roll of dimes)
caused the tumor to form. She has apparently been to numerous specialists,
none of whom can help her. She said she has terrible migraine headaches,
which makes me wonder if our dogs are suffering; and she also has wild
fluctuations in weight, gaining 40-50 lbs. easily (she was very thin
today).
Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier (I put a carrot under my pillow
and wen I
got up it was Easter and my 8th birfdai and the Easter bunny had taken the
carrot and lef a bonie fer me)
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, DLowder25 wrote:
> Hi, just discovered your group yesterday. Thanks for all the
info. I've
> been through 2 vets so far with no real confidence in either. I'm
off to a
> vet teaching college next week. Hopefully I'll get good news but I'm
afraid
> it won't be.
> Mollie Bear is the most beautiful dog in the world. She's an 8 yr
old
> keeshond mix who has so much personality--though not the most affectionate
in
> the world. She was diagnosed 3/97 after her coat wouldn't grow back
from a
> "summer" hair cut. She was placed on a massive dose of Lysodren
which nearly
> killed her. I switched vets at that point to a more conservative approach.
> My vet speaks of her as if she were already dead. Not very comforting.
> This past week has been extremely difficult. We're back to drinking
tons of
> water, sitting outside in the snow and panting. I think the only symptom
she
> doesn't have is her coat is beautiful again. She's restless, pacing
and she
> barks A LOT. She's always been a vocal dog but she's bumped it up
a notch.
> And of course she's quite a bit overweight and a bit lazy (unless there's
food
> around).
> Luckily we live in Wyoming where there are no fleas/heartworms so
there are
> no other meds she has to take. Guess I have to look for something
good in
> this. I'm a bit depressed about her condition as you can see.
> Anyway, the question is: My first vet told me she needed to be
on a high
> fat diet to best absorb the lysodren. Has anyone heard that? I haven't
done
> that but I've been putting veg oil (his suggestion) on her food along
with her
> dosage of lysodren. Lord knows she doesn't need a high fat diet.
Would the
> flaxseed oil be better? I've seen that on the digests.
> Thanks for your help and support. Sorry to be so longwinded. Debbie
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:01:31 -0600
From: David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: lysodren/high fat diet
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Debbie,
I found nothing in the literature about a high fat diet aiding the
absorption of Lysodren. Perhaps the vet is looking to offset some of the
terrible gastro side effects (??? I'm guessing, or the vet is). With an
overweight dog to begin with it doesn't make sense, you may want to
reconfirm with the vet, and ask the reason.
Dave & Feisal
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:25:31 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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The GI absorption of lysodren is enhanced with high dietary intake of
fat. We
sometimes use this when we suspect poor absorption.
Dave Bruyette, DVM
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:14:28 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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Hello everyone!
I have found that with my own dog's medication, it is just about impossible
to
get it straight every day without a "schedule". I have a dry
erase calendar (
a big one) that has magnets on the back on my refridgerator door. Whenever
we add a new med, I just write it in on the days it is to be given. Each
dog
has his/her own color of marker.( Currently I have three on regular
medication). It has worked well so far .....even my husband can figure it
out
when I am away!
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:34:20 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Borderline diagnosis
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Wendy:
I have had a dog with a portosystemic shunt and I always found that
her liver
enzymes were high and the her serum lipemic. The test I found most useful
in
monitoring her status was a blood ammonia. As far as avoiding Cushing's....I
don't know that there is a way to do that......I sure wish there were...for
all of us.
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:52:44 EDT
From: DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's web page
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Leslie,
Am overloaded at moment but I am a graphic designer and would be happy
to come
up with a couple of logos for you to see as soon as possible..
Susan Genden
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:52:53 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's: high-fat diets
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Following up on Debbie and Dr. Bruyette's messages::
Although I see the logic in aiding Lysodren absorption, the idea of feeding
high-fat diets to Cushinoid dogs still scares me, given their heightened
vulnerability to pancreatitis. As more than a handful of us have learned
the hard way, pancreatitis is a lot more dangerous in the short-term than
Cushing's....
Thoughts anyone? Is there something I'm missing?
-Leslie
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:20:32 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's: high-fat diets
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Leslie Lawson wrote:
>
> Following up on Debbie and Dr. Bruyette's messages::
>
> Although I see the logic in aiding Lysodren absorption, the idea of
feeding
> high-fat diets to Cushinoid dogs still scares me, given their heightened
> vulnerability to pancreatitis. As more than a handful of us have learned
> the hard way, pancreatitis is a lot more dangerous in the short-term
than
> Cushing's....
>
> Thoughts anyone? Is there something I'm missing?
>
> -Leslie
the high fat diet also bothers me. in addition, fat is more difficult
to digest and puts more stress on the kidneys, which is one of the
reasons i have had Cybil on a low fat, home made diet since she was
first diagnosed. in some of the material i read early on about
cushings, though, i did notice that some literature said a diet high in
protein was good, which i did not understand. anyway, the low fat, low
protein diet cybil is on has helped reduce her weight a little without
any medication. just my thoughts and experience.
Cybil and Patti
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:03:40 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Uncontrolled
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Linda Wargon wrote:
>
> Hi. I'm new and haven't written before. My dog C.B. was diagnosed about
a
> year ago. She started out on two loading doses in the beginning and
was
> under control somewhat. Her main symptoms were constant, never stopping
> panting and some hair loss. I didn't realize she was drinking alot
until
> after loading doses she didn't drink as much. Her hair coat grew back
as
> thick as ever, can't even put a comb through it. Panting was somewhat
under
> control but never really stopped altogether. We put her on a maintenance
> dose after she stopped eating of 1500 mg weekly. About two months ago
she
> started panting 100% of the time again and just walking around driving
me
> crazy. Wouldn't sit or lay down. At that time started a second dose
mid
> week of 750 mg. That didn't seem to help so now she has been on another
> loading dose of 750 mg twice a day since a week ago last Thursday with
no
> better results. She goes tomorrow for another ACTH stim test. She has
had
> them every two months and they have increasingly been getting worse.
She is
> also on Phenobarbitol, Rimadyl, Soloxine and Phenylpropanolomine. She
is my
> constant companion following me around wherever I go, like she is afraid
> I'm going to leave her. Has anyone else had this much trouble with
keeping
> the Cushings under control? And if it doesn't get under control, what's
> next? Linda & C.B.
Hi Linda-- CB sounds exactly like my Gucci! I feel for both of you. I
know what it like to not get any sleep for days on end because of the
pacing and panting. And even now Gucci follows me everywhere but she
isn't as frantic. My vet went with Anapryl rather than Lysodrin. It took
about 3 weeks for the Gooch to even out. She's on 30mg a day now. My vet
also put her on 10mg of valium twice a day (she's a 40lb Shar-pei) to
keep her from being so anxious in my absences. She actually kept
climbing our chain link fence in an attempt to find me before we started
the valium! We're dealing with canine cognitive dysfunction also (she's
12 years old) so it's more than just Cushings. Check it out with your
vet, and good luck! :-)
Ripley, Gucci and Cole
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:39:26 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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On Apr 13, 9:01pm, David & Irene Scott wrote:
> Subject: lysodren/high fat diet
> Debbie,
> I found nothing in the literature about a high fat diet aiding the
> absorption of Lysodren. Perhaps the vet is looking to offset some
of the
> terrible gastro side effects (??? I'm guessing, or the vet is). With
an
> overweight dog to begin with it doesn't make sense, you may want to
> reconfirm with the vet, and ask the reason.
> Dave & Feisal
>
>-- End of excerpt from David & Irene Scott
In addition, with a geriatric dog, you are also looking at potential
pancreatic
problems.
A _small_ amount of fat, with the pill (Ivan lived for his peanut butter)
might
help. We also gave the meds immediately after meals.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:43:17 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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On Apr 14, 1:25am, Adrenal wrote:
> Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
> The GI absorption of lysodren is enhanced with high dietary intake
of fat. We
> sometimes use this when we suspect poor absorption.
>
> Dave Bruyette, DVM
>-- End of excerpt from Adrenal
But do you advocate a "diet high in fat" or just some additional
fat with the
dose?
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:43:56 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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Oh yes, thank you for joining us.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:51:59 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Pill schedules (was: Re: Update
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We used a couple of those "seven days of drugs" boxes, one
for morning and one
for evening. I would set them up for a week at a time, and when we travled,
my
sister (pet sitter extraordinare) could give out meds without having to
learn
the new schedule.
On Apr 14, 8:14am, LisaVann wrote:
> Subject: Re: Update
> Hello everyone!
>
> I have found that with my own dog's medication, it is just about impossible
to
> get it straight every day without a "schedule". I have a
dry erase calendar
(
> a big one) that has magnets on the back on my refridgerator door.
Whenever
> we add a new med, I just write it in on the days it is to be given.
Each dog
> has his/her own color of marker.( Currently I have three on regular
> medication). It has worked well so far .....even my husband can figure
it out
> when I am away!
>
> Lisa
>-- End of excerpt from LisaVann
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:24:37 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Tornadoes
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Glad to hear Jackie, Randy, Lois, Jean and babies survived the nightmare.
Leslie--from your address list, can you tell if that accounts for everyone
in
the Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina pathway?
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:27:53 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: "Maggie"
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Lia,
Good to hear from you and Maggie and that you both are hanging in there.
It's a tough load you have, but know we are rooting for you as you reach
the
end of your semester. You have all our good wishes for success and blessings
and hugs to Maggie. (Her poops are better "out" than "in"
unless, of course,
she has diarrhea.)
Best regards,
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:34:57 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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Hi Linda and Schonus, boy we are sorry to hear of all the problems poor
Schonus is having, his body so full of antibiotics, he will be rattling
soon, give him a big big hug from Sunny and Saphir, let him know that we
all
love him. Jackie and Randy
At 06:28 PM 4/13/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi Everyone.
>
>Boy, you wanna talk about infections! For the past three months we've
>been battling a staph infection in Schonus' paws. Went thru a gazillon
>antibiotics and finally found something that worked. That started
>healing up and then whamo....an ear infection and a patch of skin on
his
>belly looked like it was infected. More antibiotics!
>
>This morning he started to dig at his ear and moaned terribly. Called
>the Vet and now we find out both of his ears are so infected that he
was
>placed on MORE antibiotics and if it doesn't work in 10 days, they will
>have to puncture the tympanic membrane....kinda like the procedure they
>do on a child when they have persistent ear infections and insert
>tubes...they do the same procedure only no tubes. The Vet said it was
a
>good thing that it wasn't on the other side of the ear as then we'd
be
>looking at meningitis, etc. It was only 10 days ago when it was only
>one ear and now it's gotten to this point!
>
>Also found out today that the patch of red skin was not an infected
>area. It's an area of calcium deposit. Forget the exact name what
it
>was called....heck..at this point I'm lucky if I can remember my own
>name!
>
>Hope all is well with everyone and thanks for listening!
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:46:30 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Tornadoes
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Tom-
The best I can tell from my perusal of the list, all folks from the
tornados' path have responded.
If you'd like to see the subscribers list yourself, send e-mail to
<listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu> with the following message in the
body:
recipients cushings-pets
--
My thoughts are with everyone who had to endure such a devastating example
of nature's wrath!
-Leslie
At 02:24 PM 4/14/98 +0000, Tom White wrote:
>Glad to hear Jackie, Randy, Lois, Jean and babies survived the nightmare.
>
>Leslie--from your address list, can you tell if that accounts for everyone
in
>the Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina pathway?
>Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
>trw@virginia.edu
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:46:18 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Uncontrolled
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Welcome Linda and C.B., I am Sunny's mum Jackie and yes I have had the
same
problem with getting Sunny under control with the Lysodren, we have been
trying now for over 1 year, Auburn told two weeks ago that some babies are
hard to get under control, they are very suceptible to the drug, we did
5
weeks of loading with stim test coming out differently each week, 1 week
high, next week low etc, I am told to have patience and we are gradually
getting there, Auburn told us that it is better to treat the pup rather
than
the disease, meaning if the pup responds drastically to the drug, cut back,
the pup is more important than the drug, we can always cut back, but we
cannot bring back the baby. Sunny is still eating like a piglet and her
drinking varies, some days it is 20oz some it is as low as 9oz, we are
trying to find a pattern here with the days on the Lysodren, she also
follows me around everwhere now which she never used to. We go for another
stim test on the 28 April, it will have been one month since the last one
and she will have been on 1500 mg a week of Lysodren. How big is C.B.,
maybe she finds it hard to get adjusted to the Lysodren as well, you may
want to ask your vet that question or contact a Vet Med School, thats where
we take Sunny now, we have the blood drawn at our local vet then we Fedex
it
ourselves to Auburn.
Anyway, good luck, hang in there, our babies are worth it. Jackie, Randy,
SUNNY and Saphir (cat friend)
At 08:51 PM 4/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi. I'm new and haven't written before. My dog C.B. was diagnosed about
a
>year ago. She started out on two loading doses in the beginning and
was
>under control somewhat. Her main symptoms were constant, never stopping
>panting and some hair loss. I didn't realize she was drinking alot until
>after loading doses she didn't drink as much. Her hair coat grew back
as
>thick as ever, can't even put a comb through it. Panting was somewhat
under
>control but never really stopped altogether. We put her on a maintenance
>dose after she stopped eating of 1500 mg weekly. About two months ago
she
>started panting 100% of the time again and just walking around driving
me
>crazy. Wouldn't sit or lay down. At that time started a second dose
mid
>week of 750 mg. That didn't seem to help so now she has been on another
>loading dose of 750 mg twice a day since a week ago last Thursday with
no
>better results. She goes tomorrow for another ACTH stim test. She has
had
>them every two months and they have increasingly been getting worse.
She is
>also on Phenobarbitol, Rimadyl, Soloxine and Phenylpropanolomine. She
is my
>constant companion following me around wherever I go, like she is afraid
>I'm going to leave her. Has anyone else had this much trouble with keeping
>the Cushings under control? And if it doesn't get under control, what's
>next? Linda & C.B.
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:53:48 -0400
From: Rich Herrmann <riju@bright.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Brittiany
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We are new to list but it makes me sad and happy that there are others
to
talk to about our little ones. Sad that some one else is going thru this
but happy that at least we can all talk and compare and be of comfort to
each other. Our dog Brittiany started showing signs right after
Thanksgiving , at that time she ate almost anything that came in site but
recently ,we have been having a VERY hard time getting her to eat ,she was
close to 20 pounds then ,now she is at 16.2 , with her built she looks very
thin, but the looks don't bother me that much it is the fact that some days
she doesn't eat as much as our birds do. All of you keep saying you have
trouble getting yours to stop eating ours doesn't want to eat. Is there
something we are missing here????Does anybody have any ideas?? Some one
on
the dashie list said to feed her those like ensure shakes on her bad days
does anyone have a comment on that good or bad? Thanks and this is a
very good idea, it really helps to have someone to talk and listen to .
Judi
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:18:29 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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> Hi, just discovered your group yesterday. Thanks for all the info.
I've
>been through 2 vets so far with no real confidence in either. I'm off
to a
>vet teaching college next week. Hopefully I'll get good news but I'm
afraid
>it won't be.
> Mollie Bear is the most beautiful dog in the world. She's an 8 yr
old
>keeshond mix who has so much personality--though not the most affectionate
in
>the world. She was diagnosed 3/97 after her coat wouldn't grow back
from a
>"summer" hair cut. She was placed on a massive dose of Lysodren
which nearly
>killed her. I switched vets at that point to a more conservative approach.
>My vet speaks of her as if she were already dead. Not very comforting.
> This past week has been extremely difficult. We're back to drinking
tons of
>water, sitting outside in the snow and panting. I think the only symptom
she
>doesn't have is her coat is beautiful again. She's restless, pacing
and she
>barks A LOT. She's always been a vocal dog but she's bumped it up a
notch.
>And of course she's quite a bit overweight and a bit lazy (unless there's
food
>around).
> Luckily we live in Wyoming where there are no fleas/heartworms so
there are
>no other meds she has to take. Guess I have to look for something good
in
>this. I'm a bit depressed about her condition as you can see.
> Anyway, the question is: My first vet told me she needed to be on
a high
>fat diet to best absorb the lysodren. Has anyone heard that? I haven't
done
>that but I've been putting veg oil (his suggestion) on her food along
with her
>dosage of lysodren. Lord knows she doesn't need a high fat diet. Would
the
>flaxseed oil be better? I've seen that on the digests.
> Thanks for your help and support. Sorry to be so longwinded. Debbie
Has annipryl been suggested as a treatment option? Penny had some bad
reactions to the lysodren but has been pretty good on annipryl since it
has
fewer side effects- not as toxic.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:42:26 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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>Hello everyone!
>
>I have found that with my own dog's medication, it is just about impossible
to
>get it straight every day without a "schedule". I have a
dry erase calendar (
>a big one) that has magnets on the back on my refridgerator door.
Whenever
>we add a new med, I just write it in on the days it is to be given.
Each dog
>has his/her own color of marker.( Currently I have three on regular
>medication). It has worked well so far .....even my husband can figure
it out
>when I am away!
>
>Lisa
I have an eraser board and erase the A for the day after Penny gets her
annipryl for that day.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:38:38 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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>The GI absorption of lysodren is enhanced with high dietary intake
of fat. We
>sometimes use this when we suspect poor absorption.
>
>Dave Bruyette, DVM
Thanks that's good to know.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:57:38 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Brittiany
Message-ID: <l03020907b15945e5eac8@[206.153.79.103]>
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>We are new to list but it makes me sad and happy that there are others
to
>talk to about our little ones. Sad that some one else is going thru
this
>but happy that at least we can all talk and compare and be of comfort
to
>each other. Our dog Brittiany started showing signs right after
>Thanksgiving , at that time she ate almost anything that came in site
but
>recently ,we have been having a VERY hard time getting her to eat ,she
was
>close to 20 pounds then ,now she is at 16.2 , with her built she looks
very
>thin, but the looks don't bother me that much it is the fact that some
days
>she doesn't eat as much as our birds do. All of you keep saying you
have
>trouble getting yours to stop eating ours doesn't want to eat. Is there
>something we are missing here????Does anybody have any ideas?? Some
one on
>the dashie list said to feed her those like ensure shakes on her bad
days
>does anyone have a comment on that good or bad? Thanks and this is
a
>very good idea, it really helps to have someone to talk and listen to
.
>
>
>
> Judi
I am glad to see that you made it here!
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:11:08 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Coping?
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Hi all,
I was just wondering how everyone copes with their pups being ill? Do
you take time off work? Squeeze in panic time when you can, or what?
Since Muffin has been in and out of the hospital the last few weeks,
I've been taking time off my volunteer/schooling program, but don't know
how much more time off I can take without causing problems with my
schooling. Does it ever get any easier? Or do you just learn how to
cope better?
The discussion of high-fat diets has been of interest to me. Since the
teaching hospital in St. Paul initially thought Muffin had full-blown
Cushing's and that the pancreatitis was secondary to that, wouldn't a
high-fat diet be really bad for our babies? Even if it were just given
with their medications? So far, I'm thinking the pancreatitis is far
more worrying than Cushings.
Muffin had another attack of either pancreatitis or gastritis
yesterday. They've told me they can't be sure which is which in a mild
attack. I do think Muffin's feeling quite a bit better today. She's not
at all impressed that I'm still fasting her per the vet's orders. If
she's hungry, I figure she's improving. She must think I'm trying to
torture her... :-(
Thanks,
Stressed Wendy & Hungry Muffin
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:49:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pill schedules (was: Re: Update
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funny thing - my internal alarms still go off for Ebony's pill times,
even
though she is no longer with us... as a result I tend to have that "oh
my
g-d!" feeling twice a day... not every day, but many. I keep thinking
"Oh
my g-d, her pills are late..." :( Of course, Loki eats every 40 minutes
or so... at least I don't have to have an internal alarm for that! :)
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:23:58 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Coping?
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>Hi all,
>
>I was just wondering how everyone copes with their pups being ill?
Do
>you take time off work? Squeeze in panic time when you can, or what?
>Since Muffin has been in and out of the hospital the last few weeks,
>I've been taking time off my volunteer/schooling program, but don't
know
>how much more time off I can take without causing problems with my
>schooling. Does it ever get any easier? Or do you just learn how to
>cope better?
>
>The discussion of high-fat diets has been of interest to me. Since
the
>teaching hospital in St. Paul initially thought Muffin had full-blown
>Cushing's and that the pancreatitis was secondary to that, wouldn't
a
>high-fat diet be really bad for our babies? Even if it were just given
>with their medications? So far, I'm thinking the pancreatitis is far
>more worrying than Cushings.
>
>Muffin had another attack of either pancreatitis or gastritis
>yesterday. They've told me they can't be sure which is which in a mild
>attack. I do think Muffin's feeling quite a bit better today. She's
not
>at all impressed that I'm still fasting her per the vet's orders. If
>she's hungry, I figure she's improving. She must think I'm trying to
>torture her... :-(
>
>Thanks,
>
>Stressed Wendy & Hungry Muffin
You both will get through this. Penny has almost died on us 3 times since
her diagnosis. I had someone come in to check on her during her setback
in
September while I was at work.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:46:44 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Small World!
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Dr. Bruyette....
Talk about a small world!!!! Guess what....you've been helping my Vet,
Dr. Alan Wachter, treat my Schonus for his Cushings!! You two are the
BEST!!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:12:49 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Thanx everyone for your kind words. Had a rough night last night with
Schonus and the Orbax that he was put on for his ear infection. Got it
changed today and now we're keeping our paws crossed!
I must apologize for not making myself very clear on giving the meds...I
can remember to give him the pills but I have this "thing" about
giving
him his pills with a meal. I just don't like giving him pills on an
empty (?) stomach..HA! I doubt if his belly is ever empty!! That
solves that problem!
Does anyone use anti oxidants in addition with a daily vitamin? I just
received a magazine from Fosters & Smith and saw some that are in
addition to everything else suppose to help the immune system. Of
course, I will check with my Vet before ordering them but was just
wondering if anyone was using them and if they made a difference?
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:26:17 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Another Mistake!
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Geez...don't know where my mind was last nite but the deposit on
Schonus' skin is a skin plaque...nothing to do with calcium....thank
goodness!!!
Linda
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:30:10 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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In a message dated 98-04-14 13:42:00 EDT, you write:
<< small_ amount of fat, with the pill (Ivan lived for his peanut
butter)
might
help. We also gave the meds immediately after meals. >>
This is what I've been doing; peanut butter or the veg oil just with
the pill.
I didn't agree with the high fat diet either. Is vegetable oil good or
bad
(just with the pill)?
Also, what are the signs of pancreatitis?
Thanks Debbie
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:34:28 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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In a message dated 98-04-14 17:28:02 EDT, you write:
<< Has annipryl been suggested as a treatment option? Penny had
some bad
reactions to the lysodren but has been pretty good on annipryl since it
has
fewer side effects- not as toxic. >>
My vet has never mentioned it to me. She mentioned that there was a
new drug
but couldn't recall the name and would get back to me. Never did. That's
why
I'm looking for vet #3. This is the same vet that announces to the waiting
room that this is a cushings dog and shakes her head. Needless to say,
I
don't care to see this "vet" again. Debbie
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:00:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Why would a vet have such a reaction? Is there some feeling in the medical
field or among breeders that Cushings is caused by abusive owners who
don't feed their dogs properly or walk them deliberately through chemical
waste or rap them on the heads hard or inbreed them?
Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, DLowder25 wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-14 17:28:02 EDT, you write:
>
> << Has annipryl been suggested as a treatment option? Penny had
some bad
> reactions to the lysodren but has been pretty good on annipryl since
it has
> fewer side effects- not as toxic. >>
>
> My vet has never mentioned it to me. She mentioned that there was
a new drug
> but couldn't recall the name and would get back to me. Never did.
That's why
> I'm looking for vet #3. This is the same vet that announces to the
waiting
> room that this is a cushings dog and shakes her head. Needless to
say, I
> don't care to see this "vet" again. Debbie
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:12:07 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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> Also, what are the signs of pancreatitis?
> Thanks Debbie
Hi Debbie,
In Muffin's case, the acute attack had symptoms of abdominal pain (bowing
to
stretch her stomach), shivering, lack of appetite, depression. They can
also
vomit and have diarrhea. This last attack has just been vomiting and tiredness.
Here's an address that tells more about pancreatitis.
http://www.vetinfo.com/dpancrea.html
Hope that helps,
Wendy the Worried and Muffin the Hungry
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Coping?
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When Ebony was having so many problems I just told people at work the
truth and they were really nice covering for me while I took time off (of
course I lost some pay, but not much). Nearly everybody at work knew
Ebony, so they were all sort of involved and asked me about her progress
daily. When she doed I took time off and just vegetated. When I got back
they had "handmade" me a card with notes on it from everybody.
I still
have a hard time talking about her though. As for my university classes,
well, I lied ... I made up a case of horrible flu that kept "coming
back"
- the flu strain around at that time was doing exactly that so my ruse
worked fine and my profs were really nice and helpful. I do not think
they would all have been as understanding if I had told the truth, however
after having her 18 years I had no qualms about missing classes to be with
her. I couldn't concentrate much anyway when she was really sick. It has
taken me 2 months to even get to the point of not breaking into sobs when
I think of her. ~sigh~ Lots of people were really nice to us when she
was sick though - she went so many places with me that people noticed
changes in her or noticed if she wasn't with me (sometimes she was, but
she didn't want to be hauled out of her carbed because she wasn't feeling
well.) It is hard to cope, especially since not everyone has the same
feelings about animal members of families as we do.
I wish to give electronic *hugs* of encouragement to anyone who needs
and
wants them!
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:30:38 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Coping?
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Kathleen,
Thanks for letting me know how you made it through. I'm terribly sorry
for
your loss of Ebony. You're right. So many people just don't understand
our
feelings for our pups. When I was having a bit of a moan at the place I
volunteer, a co-worker told me I should just have Muffin put to sleep.
This
is from a woman who professes to love dogs!
I know how much it hurts to lose such a good friend. I lost my first
Yorkie
(who was staying with my mother) while we were stationed in England, and
the
loss took a long time to get over. I still cried even years afterward.
The
best thing that helped me to recover was getting Muffin when she was a puppy.
There were inevitable comparisons between the dearly departed and the
newcomer, but the new love in my heart helped heal the bits that were still
broken.
It's never easy to love, is it?
Here's hoping to get past the pancreatitis and on to keeping Muffin as
healthy
as possible for as long as possible.
Wendy and Muffin
Kathleen Richards wrote:
> When Ebony was having so many problems I just told people at work
the
> truth and they were really nice covering for me while I took time off
(of
> course I lost some pay, but not much). Nearly everybody at work knew
> Ebony, so they were all sort of involved and asked me about her progress
> daily. When she doed I took time off and just vegetated. When I got
back
> they had "handmade" me a card with notes on it from everybody.
I still
> have a hard time talking about her though. As for my university classes,
> well, I lied ... I made up a case of horrible flu that kept "coming
back"
> - the flu strain around at that time was doing exactly that so my ruse
> worked fine and my profs were really nice and helpful. I do not think
> they would all have been as understanding if I had told the truth,
however
> after having her 18 years I had no qualms about missing classes to
be with
> her. I couldn't concentrate much anyway when she was really sick.
It has
> taken me 2 months to even get to the point of not breaking into sobs
when
> I think of her. ~sigh~ Lots of people were really nice to us when
she
> was sick though - she went so many places with me that people noticed
> changes in her or noticed if she wasn't with me (sometimes she was,
but
> she didn't want to be hauled out of her carbed because she wasn't feeling
> well.) It is hard to cope, especially since not everyone has the same
> feelings about animal members of families as we do.
>
> I wish to give electronic *hugs* of encouragement to anyone who needs
and
> wants them!
> --
> kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
> ~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
> There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:03:07 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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>In a message dated 98-04-14 17:28:02 EDT, you write:
>
><< Has annipryl been suggested as a treatment option? Penny had
some bad
> reactions to the lysodren but has been pretty good on annipryl since
it has
> fewer side effects- not as toxic. >>
>
> My vet has never mentioned it to me. She mentioned that there was
a new drug
>but couldn't recall the name and would get back to me. Never did.
That's why
>I'm looking for vet #3. This is the same vet that announces to the
waiting
>room that this is a cushings dog and shakes her head. Needless to say,
I
>don't care to see this "vet" again. Debbie
Annipryl was just approved for use in treatment of Cushing's last year.
Where are you located? We called around the local towns to find a vet that
would treat Penny's Cushing's ver aggressively. We were very fortunate to
find him so quickly.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:55:25 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anti Oxidants
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We were told that supplements (in weight appropriate amounts) of Vit
E and Vit
C could only help Ivan. And it seemed to.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:42:48 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Research
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Linda,
I know that the Morris Animal Foundation is in Englewood, Colorado, but
I
have not address for them. Your vet might have one.
Janice
----------
> From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
> To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Research
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 1998 4:31 PM
>
> Thanx Janice....do you happen to have an address for that research
> foundation?
>
> Linda & Schonus
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:57:18 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Anti Oxidants
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My Annie is on anti oxidants--one 100 IU of vit E, 125 mg. of Ester C
with
Bioflavinoids, one Beta Carotene every day on the orders of her holistic
vet. We have had no problems with infections of any sort (KNOCK WOOD).
Janice & Annie
----------
> From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
> To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Anti Oxidants
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 5:12 PM
>
> Thanx everyone for your kind words. Had a rough night last night with
> Schonus and the Orbax that he was put on for his ear infection. Got
it
> changed today and now we're keeping our paws crossed!
>
> I must apologize for not making myself very clear on giving the meds...I
> can remember to give him the pills but I have this "thing"
about giving
> him his pills with a meal. I just don't like giving him pills on an
> empty (?) stomach..HA! I doubt if his belly is ever empty!! That
> solves that problem!
>
> Does anyone use anti oxidants in addition with a daily vitamin? I
just
> received a magazine from Fosters & Smith and saw some that are
in
> addition to everything else suppose to help the immune system. Of
> course, I will check with my Vet before ordering them but was just
> wondering if anyone was using them and if they made a difference?
>
> Linda & Schonus
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:05:27 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
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My vet feels that there is definitely a familial tendency for Cushing's.
He stops short of calling it hereditary. I am a poodle breeder and have
been for 30 years. One of my dogs-Annie-is Cushingnoid. I have researched
carefully as possible the hereditary aspects and have come up with no
definitive answers. My own experience shows that within several miles
of
my boarding kennel, there are 7 Lhasa Apsos with Cushing's. Most of these
dogs are from the same breeder or are related so that would indicate a
genetic component in the Lhasa. I also see mini Schnauzers with Cushing's.
Right now we board 3 dogs from different owners who have Cushing's.
Since Addison's Disease is proven inheritable and it is athe opposite
of
Cushing's, isn't it very likely that Cushing's is inheritable?
Janice 7 Annie
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> From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 1998 7:16 AM
>
> > Hi, We've just had our second dog diagnosed with Cushings
at the
> >age of 12. Rigsby is a minature schnauzer, who has always enjoyed
good
> >health but suddenly went downhill following the death of his mother
> >recently. A couple of years ago, his half sister Chutney (same
mother,
> >different father) was also diagnosed with the disease, but too
late to
> >save her. As you can imagine. It seems strange that we should
see two
> >occurences of what is a relatively rare syndrome in the same family,
and
> >we am wondering whether there is any knowledge of a possible hereditary
> >or environmental link that may be to blame? Many thanks for
your
time,
> >and for providing such a worthwhile and informative site. Best
regards,
> > David & Jill Smith Norfolk, England.
>
> I was told by my vet that there was no hereditary element to worry
about.
I
> have two of Penny's offspring in my house and pray ever day that he
is
> right. I also have on who has Penny in him on both sides of the family
tree
> which makes me more concerned about the hereditary aspect of this
disease.
>
> Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and
Gabe.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:07:18 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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On Apr 14, 8:30pm, DLowder25 wrote:
> Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
> In a message dated 98-04-14 13:42:00 EDT, you write:
>
> << small_ amount of fat, with the pill (Ivan lived for his peanut
butter)
> might
> help. We also gave the meds immediately after meals. >>
>
> This is what I've been doing; peanut butter or the veg oil just with
the
pill.
> I didn't agree with the high fat diet either. Is vegetable oil good
or bad
> (just with the pill)?
> Also, what are the signs of pancreatitis?
> Thanks Debbie
>-- End of excerpt from DLowder25
The signs we noted (ex post facto) were lethergy (sound familiar?), messy,
"greasy" diarahea, apparent abdominal pain, reluctance to eat
or even drink.
The blood work was a much quicker indicator.
I don't know if I mentioned it here or not, but Dr. Smith did a PM on
Ivan. He
had pancreatic cancer. I'll not question our choice again, as he had at
most
another week.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:21:10 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Coping?
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Wendy wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was just wondering how everyone copes with their pups being ill?
Do
> you take time off work? Squeeze in panic time when you can, or what?
> Since Muffin has been in and out of the hospital the last few weeks,
> I've been taking time off my volunteer/schooling program, but don't
know
> how much more time off I can take without causing problems with my
> schooling. Does it ever get any easier? Or do you just learn how
to
> cope better?
>
> The discussion of high-fat diets has been of interest to me. Since
the
> teaching hospital in St. Paul initially thought Muffin had full-blown
> Cushing's and that the pancreatitis was secondary to that, wouldn't
a
> high-fat diet be really bad for our babies? Even if it were just given
> with their medications? So far, I'm thinking the pancreatitis is far
> more worrying than Cushings.
>
> Muffin had another attack of either pancreatitis or gastritis
> yesterday. They've told me they can't be sure which is which in a
mild
> attack. I do think Muffin's feeling quite a bit better today. She's
not
> at all impressed that I'm still fasting her per the vet's orders.
If
> she's hungry, I figure she's improving. She must think I'm trying
to
> torture her... :-(
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stressed Wendy & Hungry Muffin
Wendy & Muffin:
For me it doesn'g get any easier, mostly because, i guess, i usually
feel so helpless when i want to help Cybil so much. wondering every day
if this will be a better or worse day, what will happen just takes its
toll. i don't know about anyone else, but i don't sleep as well since
Cybil was diagnosed, caught somewhere between praying for her and
worrying about her, in that helpless grayness of night. To be honest,
i'm not even sure i cope any better. i guess, like Cybil, i have better
days and worse days. i just try to remeber to be thankful for the time
i have with her.
Patti & Cybil
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:31:17 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushings and Diabetes
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Only you know how comforting it is to locate this forum! I am the mother
to a
beautiful yellow lab named Rosie who just turned 12 years old on April 6th.
I
have been dredding this year because it was at age 12 two years ago I had
to
put down my male lab, Sandy who I still miss!
Rosie was diagnosed with Cushings the first week of March. This diagnosis
has
explained so many symptoms I have been seeing for a while. Things happen
so-
o-o-o-o gradually that you do not realize the changes sometimes. For example,
Rosie has not experienced hair loss but after her medication started I
realized her coat had gotten really thick and she had been shedding profusely
for sometime and that stopped! Panting, drinking lots of water. The
diagnosis was made because Rosie stopped eating and really felt punk. My
vet,
who is wonderful, found the Cushings immediately with a blood test. Instead
of putting Rosie through another blood test to determine which type of
Cushings she had, the decision was made to start her on Deprnyl due to lack
of
side effects. Also, supposedly 85% of Cushings is Pituitary and Deprnyl
deals
with that type. Rosie's coat slicked up, she quit panting and her water
intake dropped. However, sometimes she wouldn't eat, she was losing the
loss
of her back legs. It was horrible! A blood glucose test was made on her
and
it was off the charts. We started her on a conservative dose of insulin
(10
units) twice a day. When she was diagnosed with Cushings Rosie was a hefty
82lbs. In two weeks she was down to 69 lbs. With insulin being introduced,
she began feeling better, and ate well. I remind myself of my
grandmother....as long as we eat everything will be fine... Anyway, Rosie
is
now up to 19 units of insulin twice a day and started on Lysodren last Friday.
Deprnyl did not work for her. I am testing urine samples twice a day to
watch
for a decrease in glucose so I do not overdose her on insulin in case her
body
starts producing it again. She is someone tired starting on the Lycodren
but
no major side affects yet. We are starting to decrease her prednesolone
to
one time a day from twice a day. This is suppose to lessen her side affects
I
believe. She has started panting again and I haven't gotten a negative
glucose test yet. It may be early still. This is really scary! The constant
unknown from day to day does take its toll on us. Hang in there everyone,
sorry this is so long winded but I had not seen anything about the Cushings
and Diabetes combination and thought it might be helpful or informative
to the
group. Hope this helps! Take care!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:46:24 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings and Diabetes
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Welcome to the group, and a belated happy barkday to Rosie.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:17:16 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings and Diabetes
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Welcome and welcome to Rosie, I am glad that you found this wonderful
service, it has helped us tremendously, Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir
(Cat
friend)
At 11:31 AM 4/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Only you know how comforting it is to locate this forum! I am the mother
to a
>beautiful yellow lab named Rosie who just turned 12 years old on April
6th. I
>have been dredding this year because it was at age 12 two years ago
I had to
>put down my male lab, Sandy who I still miss!
>
>Rosie was diagnosed with Cushings the first week of March. This diagnosis
has
>explained so many symptoms I have been seeing for a while. Things happen
so-
>o-o-o-o gradually that you do not realize the changes sometimes. For
example,
>Rosie has not experienced hair loss but after her medication started
I
>realized her coat had gotten really thick and she had been shedding
profusely
>for sometime and that stopped! Panting, drinking lots of water. The
>diagnosis was made because Rosie stopped eating and really felt punk.
My vet,
>who is wonderful, found the Cushings immediately with a blood test.
Instead
>of putting Rosie through another blood test to determine which type
of
>Cushings she had, the decision was made to start her on Deprnyl due
to lack of
>side effects. Also, supposedly 85% of Cushings is Pituitary and Deprnyl
deals
>with that type. Rosie's coat slicked up, she quit panting and her water
>intake dropped. However, sometimes she wouldn't eat, she was losing
the loss
>of her back legs. It was horrible! A blood glucose test was made on
her and
>it was off the charts. We started her on a conservative dose of insulin
(10
>units) twice a day. When she was diagnosed with Cushings Rosie was
a hefty
>82lbs. In two weeks she was down to 69 lbs. With insulin being introduced,
>she began feeling better, and ate well. I remind myself of my
>grandmother....as long as we eat everything will be fine... Anyway,
Rosie is
>now up to 19 units of insulin twice a day and started on Lysodren last
Friday.
>Deprnyl did not work for her. I am testing urine samples twice a day
to watch
>for a decrease in glucose so I do not overdose her on insulin in case
her body
>starts producing it again. She is someone tired starting on the Lycodren
but
>no major side affects yet. We are starting to decrease her prednesolone
to
>one time a day from twice a day. This is suppose to lessen her side
affects I
>believe. She has started panting again and I haven't gotten a negative
>glucose test yet. It may be early still. This is really scary! The
constant
>unknown from day to day does take its toll on us. Hang in there everyone,
>sorry this is so long winded but I had not seen anything about the Cushings
>and Diabetes combination and thought it might be helpful or informative
to the
>group. Hope this helps! Take care!
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:40:32 -0400
From: Rich Herrmann <riju@bright.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushings & Diabetes
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Brittany goes at least for a weekly test of your urine which
the vets checks for specific gravity and sugar. The test for sugar has
been negative so far and we pray that it remains that way.
Brittany has never seemed to have much hair on her back which
we never thought much of until she was diagnosed with Cushings this past
Thanksgiving. Well lo and behold all of a sudden her hair has come back
in. She now has more hair than she has ever had in her 10 years of her
life. The only strange thing about this Brittany is a black mini dachi
with brown trim. Now since her hair has come back in it has been BROWN.
Now we have a black mini who seems to have more brown hair than black.
Has
anyone else ever experienced this in their dogs with CUSHINGS. Goodness
we
are glad we don't have to re-register her with the AKC as we would not know
what color to call her.
Rich & Judi Herrmann and their family of five
(Nikki, Brittany, Nikkole, Sassy & Bull)
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:09:10 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Small World!
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No problem.
Glad things are going well.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:34:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: New Canine Crossbreeds (fwd)
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My apologies in advance, but I simply couldn't resist forwarding this
on...
-Leslie
> New Canine Crossbreeds:
>
> Collie + Lhasa Apso
> Collapso, a dog that folds up for easy transport
>
> Spitz + Chow Chow
> Spitz-Chow, a dog that throws up a lot
>
> Bloodhound + Borzoi
> Bloody Bore, a dog that's not much fun
>
> Pointer + Setter
> Poinsetter, a traditional Christmas pet
>
> Kerry Blue Terrier + Skye Terrier
> Blue Skye, a dog for visionaries
>
> Great Pyrenees + Dachshund
> Pyradachs, a puzzling breed
>
> Pekingnese + Lhasa Apso
> Peekasso, an abstract dog
>
> Irish Water Spaniel + English Springer Spaniel
> Irish Springer, a dog fresh and clean as a whistle
>
> Labrador Retriever + Curly Coated Retriever
> Lab Coat Retriever, the choice of research scientists
>
> Newfoundland + Basset Hound
> Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors
>
> Terrier + Bulldog
> Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes
>
> Bloodhound + Labrador
> Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly
>
> Malamute + Pointer
> Moot Point, owned by....oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway
>
> Collie + Malamute
> Commute, a dog that travels to work
>
> Deerhound + Terrier
> Derriere, a dog that's true to the end
>
> Bull Terrier + Shitzu
> Bull Shitzu, a gregarious but unreliable breed
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:03:28 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Update
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To remind me to give Ginger her Anirpyl pills, I take the self-sticking
correction tape and put it underneath each row of pills and then I write
the dates for the month under each pill, that way when I look I can make
sure I gave her the pill. It takes a couple of minutes to do each month
and sometimes I can cheat and pull off the old ones and patch them unto
the
new sheet of pills.
I'm in that group where the short term memory starts to "short out". (Grin)
Sue and Ginger ( why did I get Cushing's?)
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:07:25 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Hair colour
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Rich and Judy - I was very interested to read your comment re the changing
colour of fur. Our tri-coloured Sheltie was badly mauled by a Staffie
the day
he was diagnosed with Cushings at the beginning of March. Some of the
injuries
became infected about a week after the initial treatment for them and required
reshaving and a week being hospitalised. Before this his tri-colour was
the
acceptable areas - now he has extra tri-colours on his back - black with
a grey
undercoat (normal), salt and pepper (the first area of shaving) and shiny
blackbird black (the area where the second shaving occured). He's now a
new
type - not tri-coloured but patchwork!!!
Ann & John Cooper,
Mum & Dad to Kelly and his feline support crew, Oscar and Monty
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
>
. Now since her hair has come back in it has been BROWN.
>Now we have a black mini who seems to have more brown hair than black.
Has
>anyone else ever experienced this in their dogs with CUSHINGS. Goodness
we
>are glad we don't have to re-register her with the AKC as we would not
know
>what color to call her.
>
>
> Rich & Judi Herrmann and their family of five
> (Nikki, Brittany, Nikkole, Sassy & Bull)
>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:13:54 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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I bet the vet was reacting more with a sense of doom, in other words,
there
is no cure for Cushing's. But why mention it at all in that manner?!
What realistically is the life expectancy with Cushing's? Does it depend
on the dog
or the dog's general health when he/she is diagnosed? If they have the
rapid breathing
problem, is this going to shorten their life faster? I've tried to
explain this to
others, but I feel like I am not sure about this disease.
Is there anything I can do to help my dog breathe easier besides the
bronchodilator?
Has anyone had any experience with this.
Sue O. and Ginger
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:49:58 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Canine Crossbreeds (fwd)
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Leslie Lawson wrote:
>
> My apologies in advance, but I simply couldn't resist forwarding this
> on...
>
> -Leslie
>
> > New Canine Crossbreeds:
> >
> > Collie + Lhasa Apso
> > Collapso, a dog that folds up for easy transport
> >
> > Spitz + Chow Chow
> > Spitz-Chow, a dog that throws up a lot
> >
> > Bloodhound + Borzoi
> > Bloody Bore, a dog that's not much fun
> >
> > Pointer + Setter
> > Poinsetter, a traditional Christmas pet
> >
> > Kerry Blue Terrier + Skye Terrier
> > Blue Skye, a dog for visionaries
> >
> > Great Pyrenees + Dachshund
> > Pyradachs, a puzzling breed
> >
> > Pekingnese + Lhasa Apso
> > Peekasso, an abstract dog
> >
> > Irish Water Spaniel + English Springer Spaniel
> > Irish Springer, a dog fresh and clean as a whistle
> >
> > Labrador Retriever + Curly Coated Retriever
> > Lab Coat Retriever, the choice of research scientists
> >
> > Newfoundland + Basset Hound
> > Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors
> >
> > Terrier + Bulldog
> > Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes
> >
> > Bloodhound + Labrador
> > Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly
> >
> > Malamute + Pointer
> > Moot Point, owned by....oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway
> >
> > Collie + Malamute
> > Commute, a dog that travels to work
> >
> > Deerhound + Terrier
> > Derriere, a dog that's true to the end
> >
> > Bull Terrier + Shitzu
> > Bull Shitzu, a gregarious but unreliable breed
> >
Leslie,
i really needed this today. Cybil has not been doing too well lately
and
this is tax day. the only laughs i've had all day.
Patti
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:56:47 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings & Diabetes
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>
> Brittany goes at least for a weekly test of your urine
which
>the vets checks for specific gravity and sugar. The test for sugar
has
>been negative so far and we pray that it remains that way.
> Brittany has never seemed to have much hair on her back
which
>we never thought much of until she was diagnosed with Cushings this
past
>Thanksgiving. Well lo and behold all of a sudden her hair has come
back
>in. She now has more hair than she has ever had in her 10 years of
her
>life. The only strange thing about this Brittany is a black mini dachi
>with brown trim. Now since her hair has come back in it has been BROWN.
>Now we have a black mini who seems to have more brown hair than black.
Has
>anyone else ever experienced this in their dogs with CUSHINGS. Goodness
we
>are glad we don't have to re-register her with the AKC as we would not
know
>what color to call her.
>
>
> Rich & Judi Herrmann and their family of five
> (Nikki, Brittany, Nikkole,
>Sassy & Bull)
Penny's hair is coming in more black than red now that her coat is getting
thick again.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:24:23 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Research
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Janice Glosson wrote:
> I know that the Morris Animal Foundation is in Englewood, Colorado,
but I
> have not address for them. Your vet might have one.
Here is the information on how to contact them:
Morris Animal Foundation:
http://www.morrisanimalfoundation.org/
45 Inverness Drive East
Englewood, Colorado 80112
Toll free (800)243-2345
(303)790-2345
Jeri
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:39:27 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Research Foundation
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Janice....
Did a search and found Morris Research Foundation! Thanx so much for
the info.
Linda
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:01:28 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hair Regrowth
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For those of you who mentioned about hair regrowth.....how long did it
take after you began treatment? Schonus had two ultrasounds done and
his hair on his belly in one patch is just getting long enough to pull.
But the hair on his body is still so very thin. He's been on Lysodren
maintenance now for approximately four months. His first "normal"
ACTH
test was in February.
Does the hair start regrowing after normal counts or sooner?
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:32:02 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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In a message dated 98-04-15 06:07:07 EDT, you write:
<< Annipryl was just approved for use in treatment of Cushing's
last year.
Where are you located? We called around the local towns to find a vet that
would treat Penny's Cushing's ver aggressively. We were very fortunate
to
find him so quickly.
>>
I'm in Cheyenne Wyoming and my choices are extremely limited. That's
why
I'm heading down to Colorado State University next week. I've been hearing
great things about them.
I've been reading where people are giving vitamin supplements to their
puppies. Are these regular "people" vitamins? And does anyone
have any
problems getting them down? Mollie is getting real good about eating the
cheese (or whatever) and spitting the Lysodren out. I have to really watch
her (and make sure her brother doesn't eat it by mistake). Also, she's
been
whining lately and becoming more restless. Would it be safe to give her
an
aspirin occasionally? I didn't find anything in a drug book but I don't
want
to cause her any further problems. She doesn't seem to be in pain but it's
so
hard to tell. Thanks! Debbie
Loved the canine crossbreeds!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:55:43 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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>In a message dated 98-04-15 06:07:07 EDT, you write:
>
><< Annipryl was just approved for use in treatment of Cushing's
last year.
> Where are you located? We called around the local towns to find a vet
that
> would treat Penny's Cushing's ver aggressively. We were very fortunate
to
> find him so quickly.
> >>
>
> I'm in Cheyenne Wyoming and my choices are extremely limited. That's
why
>I'm heading down to Colorado State University next week. I've been
hearing
>great things about them.
>
> I've been reading where people are giving vitamin supplements to their
>puppies. Are these regular "people" vitamins? And does
anyone have any
>problems getting them down? Mollie is getting real good about eating
the
>cheese (or whatever) and spitting the Lysodren out. I have to really
watch
>her (and make sure her brother doesn't eat it by mistake). Also,
she's been
>whining lately and becoming more restless. Would it be safe to give
her an
>aspirin occasionally? I didn't find anything in a drug book but I don't
want
>to cause her any further problems. She doesn't seem to be in pain but
it's so
>hard to tell. Thanks! Debbie
>
>Loved the canine crossbreeds!
I don't think the aspirin will hurt her. I haven't used any vitamin
supplements with Penny. She was getting too smart with her pills too. We
have the Mighty Dog canned food and put her meds in that via a spoon. She
eats the entree with the pill in it and doesn't even know that it is there.
I have tried to give her meds in bread- she loves bread or any other thing
she likes but she learned quickly to eat around and spit out the pill. We
have 5 others that we have to worry about getting the pill so we are very
careful.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:29:07 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Debbie: Good luck on finding Anipryl/Deprnyl. As far as getting the
correct
baby to take the medicine, here is what we do. Rosie is on half dry and
canned W/D. Needless to say she absolutely loves the canned. It is low
in
fat and high in fiber but seems to have a lot of natural corn in it. I
simply
take a spoonful and insert the pill in it and she swallows it whole.
Remember, Rosie is a large dog and that is not unusual for her. It makes
medicine time a lot easier.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:41:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Greyhound
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Does anyone on this list have a cushings greyhound? Mine was just diagnosed
today with Cushings.
Jan Glover, Seattle
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:32:04 -0400
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hair Regrowth
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<PRE>For those of you who mentioned about hair regrowth.....how long
did it
take after you began treatment? Schonus had two ultrasounds done
and
his hair on his belly in one patch is just getting long enough to pull.
But the hair on his body is still so very thin. He's been on Lysodren
maintenance now for approximately four months. His first "normal"
ACTH
test was in February.
Does the hair start regrowing after normal counts or sooner?
Linda & Schonus</PRE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>Linda, you might want to have Schonus' thyroid checked.
My vet
believed that Bo's lack of hair regrowth was also due to hypothyroid (too
little) and she put him on thyroid meds as well, even though test results
weren't conclusive. She was a Cushings specialist. Anyhow, his belly where
he had been shaved for ultrasound began growing in immediatly (after four
months bare) and his coat is now beautiful.
<P>Judy</HTML>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:32:04 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hair colour
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Hi everyone -
This talk about hair color is very interesting - I gave Vincent his
spring clip last week and his brown parts (he's an English Springer
Spaniel) have all turned salt-and-pepper. And the new white/grey hairs
are very stiff and kind of bristly. He looks sort of odd.
By the way, he passed his latest blood test with flying colors! Now,
what to do about vaccinations and heartworm medications ...
Take care all,
Sandy and Vincent
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:00:21 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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Hi Jackie and Sunny. Thanks for writing. C.B. is a 12 year old weighing
66
lbs. She just gat weighed yesterday when she had another ACTH test. Will
let you know how those results turn out. Hope they are OK, but I have my
doubts. On this third loading dose she has gotten no better. Still panting
(constantly), drinking alot and still loves her food. Are they in pain at
all with Cushings? She just seems so uncomfortable. Maybe it's the panting
that really tires her out. She is still active, loves to go on walks. At
times it seems her back legs get weak. Good luck and I'll let you know the
results. Linda & C.B.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:29:38 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Greyhound
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Was it adrenal or pituitary Cushings???
M. Brownstein DVM
http://www.petsandvet.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:39:43 -0400
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hair Regrowth
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Dear Linda, I don't know about hair regrowth ...yet. Andrew has really
not lost much. I wanted you to know that I have appreciated ALL of your
posts. I wante to write a general note to all but did not know how to do
that. Andrew (My Bug A Boo) is finally going into the maintenance phase
after six wks. of hell. He is a bit perkier and feeling more like
himself. I am learning more about this grim disease daily. All I can say
at this point is that I am going forward with optimism and hope but the
reality is that he will never again be the healthy boy I knew. I will
respect each day that God gives us.
You are all a wonderful bunch of folks and I am glad that I found you.
I
read most of the messages but sometimes miss a few days or skip over the
ones that make me sad...for the moment. As soon as my boy gets his
strength back on track, I am there too and I am sure you all understand
this. I just got him out of the bathtub. He was so icky and dirty!! I
was afraid to do anything but sponge bath him while he was so bloated.
Things are getting better.
Love and hugs to all,
Patty
L Boyce wrote:
> For those of you who mentioned about hair regrowth.....how long
did it
> take after you began treatment? Schonus had two ultrasounds done and
> his hair on his belly in one patch is just getting long enough to pull.
> But the hair on his body is still so very thin. He's been on Lysodren
> maintenance now for approximately four months. His first "normal"
ACTH
> test was in February.
>
> Does the hair start regrowing after normal counts or sooner?
>
> Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:01:35 -0400
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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try putting the pills (any pills) in a dab of penut butter, cover them
and let the
dog lick the PB from the knife/spoon, or rake it off with the dogs front
teeth--the
dog will usually just swallow the dab whole!!
Toni Lantto wrote:
> >In a message dated 98-04-15 06:07:07 EDT, you write:
> >
> ><< Annipryl was just approved for use in treatment of Cushing's
last year.
> > Where are you located? We called around the local towns to find
a vet that
> > would treat Penny's Cushing's ver aggressively. We were very fortunate
to
> > find him so quickly.
> > >>
> >
> > I'm in Cheyenne Wyoming and my choices are extremely limited.
That's why
> >I'm heading down to Colorado State University next week. I've
been hearing
> >great things about them.
> >
> > I've been reading where people are giving vitamin supplements
to their
> >puppies. Are these regular "people" vitamins? And
does anyone have any
> >problems getting them down? Mollie is getting real good about
eating the
> >cheese (or whatever) and spitting the Lysodren out. I have to
really watch
> >her (and make sure her brother doesn't eat it by mistake). Also,
she's been
> >whining lately and becoming more restless. Would it be safe to
give her an
> >aspirin occasionally? I didn't find anything in a drug book but
I don't want
> >to cause her any further problems. She doesn't seem to be in pain
but it's so
> >hard to tell. Thanks! Debbie
> >
> >Loved the canine crossbreeds!
>
> I don't think the aspirin will hurt her. I haven't used any vitamin
> supplements with Penny. She was getting too smart with her pills too.
We
> have the Mighty Dog canned food and put her meds in that via a spoon.
She
> eats the entree with the pill in it and doesn't even know that it is
there.
> I have tried to give her meds in bread- she loves bread or any other
thing
> she likes but she learned quickly to eat around and spit out the pill.
We
> have 5 others that we have to worry about getting the pill so we are
very
> careful.
>
> Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:23:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Greyhound
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At 11:29 PM 4/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Was it adrenal or pituitary Cushings???
>M. Brownstein DVM
>http://www.petsandvet.com
>
>That's what we're going in for on Friday. Another 8 hours of blood
draw.
Dudley will fast the night before and go in at 9:00 am. They said they
will
give him steriods and then do their every 2 hr blood draws. I guess I'll
probably know for sure by the first part of next week. I will post when
I
know the results.
Jan G. Seattle, WA
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:13:58 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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>try putting the pills (any pills) in a dab of penut butter, cover
them and
>let the
>dog lick the PB from the knife/spoon, or rake it off with the dogs front
>teeth--the
>dog will usually just swallow the dab whole!!
>
We couldn't use peanut butter since Penny didn't like it too much.
>Toni Lantto wrote:
>
>> >In a message dated 98-04-15 06:07:07 EDT, you write:
>> >
>> ><< Annipryl was just approved for use in treatment of
Cushing's last year.
>> > Where are you located? We called around the local towns to
find a vet that
>> > would treat Penny's Cushing's ver aggressively. We were very
fortunate to
>> > find him so quickly.
>> > >>
>> >
>> > I'm in Cheyenne Wyoming and my choices are extremely limited.
That's why
>> >I'm heading down to Colorado State University next week. I've
been hearing
>> >great things about them.
>> >
>> > I've been reading where people are giving vitamin supplements
to their
>> >puppies. Are these regular "people" vitamins?
And does anyone have any
>> >problems getting them down? Mollie is getting real good about
eating the
>> >cheese (or whatever) and spitting the Lysodren out. I have
to really watch
>> >her (and make sure her brother doesn't eat it by mistake).
Also,
>>she's been
>> >whining lately and becoming more restless. Would it be safe
to give her an
>> >aspirin occasionally? I didn't find anything in a drug book
but I
>>don't want
>> >to cause her any further problems. She doesn't seem to be
in pain but
>>it's so
>> >hard to tell. Thanks! Debbie
>> >
>> >Loved the canine crossbreeds!
>>
>> I don't think the aspirin will hurt her. I haven't used any vitamin
>> supplements with Penny. She was getting too smart with her pills
too. We
>> have the Mighty Dog canned food and put her meds in that via a
spoon. She
>> eats the entree with the pill in it and doesn't even know that
it is there.
>> I have tried to give her meds in bread- she loves bread or any
other thing
>> she likes but she learned quickly to eat around and spit out the
pill. We
>> have 5 others that we have to worry about getting the pill so we
are very
>> careful.
>>
>> Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie,
Bo,
>>and Gabe.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:58:40 EDT
From: DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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To Linda and Schonus-
Very sorry to hear your horror stories about Schonus' health and hope he
does
better for both your sakes right away. Appreciate your sharing these things
and am waiting for some better news about him soon.You deserve it.
Susan G. (and Spenser)
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:44:26 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Ivan lived about 3 1/2 years from diagnosis, about 4 years from developing
clear (but not obvious) signs. Although 14 1/2 was not long enough in my
book,
I think that Cushings had become the least of his problems.
I would guess that the key to survival is finding a vet who understand
the
disorder, and making sure that the dog (or cat or any other animal) is
reasonably fit, otherwise. Ivan wasn't really hurting when we started him
on
Lysodren, unlikely some of the other little loved ones on this group. That
may
be why he responded so well.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:05:40 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hair Regrowth
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Ivan blew in a new puppy coat about a month after starting his regular
dosage.
He never did regain his original coat, but what he did have was so soft
and
silky we thought it an improvement. The kids always loved to pet him, and
he
liked the attention.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:11:49 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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We gave Ivan "people" supplements, but in reduced dosage amounts
to account for
his weight.
Try using something that sticks to the pill better. Maybe a little low
fat
cream cheese or some peanut butter.
Finally, Ivan was on Ascriptin for a while. One tab a day, as needed.
Eventually, though, we had a terrible problem where he started having
tremendous nosebleeds. We started him on Vit. C, took him off of the aspirin
and on to Rimadyl.
Talk to you vet about the pain, there may be more going on.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:54:34 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings & Diabetes
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When Sunny lost her hair at the beginning of her cushings, she was a
black
and tan Manchester Chihuahua, she is now more tan and under her coat is
a
greyish color, and now the place where they shaved her for her ultrasound
is
grey and not growing back to quickly. Jackie, Randy, "Sunny" and
Saphir (cat
friend)
At 05:56 PM 4/15/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>> Brittany goes at least for a weekly test of your urine
which
>>the vets checks for specific gravity and sugar. The test for sugar
has
>>been negative so far and we pray that it remains that way.
>> Brittany has never seemed to have much hair on her
back which
>>we never thought much of until she was diagnosed with Cushings this
past
>>Thanksgiving. Well lo and behold all of a sudden her hair has come
back
>>in. She now has more hair than she has ever had in her 10 years
of her
>>life. The only strange thing about this Brittany is a black mini
dachi
>>with brown trim. Now since her hair has come back in it has been
BROWN.
>>Now we have a black mini who seems to have more brown hair than
black. Has
>>anyone else ever experienced this in their dogs with CUSHINGS.
Goodness we
>>are glad we don't have to re-register her with the AKC as we would
not know
>>what color to call her.
>>
>>
>> Rich & Judi Herrmann and their family of five
>> (Nikki, Brittany, Nikkole,
>>Sassy & Bull)
>
>Penny's hair is coming in more black than red now that her coat is getting
>thick again.
>
>Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
>
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:28:41 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hair colour
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Congratulations Vincent on passing your test with flying colours, hugs
alot,
Sunny Siniard
At 09:32 PM 4/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi everyone -
>
>This talk about hair color is very interesting - I gave Vincent his
>spring clip last week and his brown parts (he's an English Springer
>Spaniel) have all turned salt-and-pepper. And the new white/grey hairs
>are very stiff and kind of bristly. He looks sort of odd.
>
>By the way, he passed his latest blood test with flying colors! Now,
>what to do about vaccinations and heartworm medications ...
>
>Take care all,
>
>Sandy and Vincent
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:44:09 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Giving medications
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Hi all,
I used to poke the pill down poor Vincent's throat and hold his mouth
shut until he swallowed, until I found the miracle of Velveeta cheese.
I take a chunk, shove the pill it, & toss it to Vincent. He swallows
it
whole and never even knows it's there.
Sandy and Vincent
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:08:38 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Pills
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Hello everyone, boy are we getting good at this pill popping lark, I
give
Sunny hers with a bite of her food before I feed her, shes so hungry she
does not even care, to her its food, she eats her heartworm pills first
tho,
she thinks they are a treat, she has done this since a pup, Love to all
the
babies, Sunny's Mum and Dad
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: Janice Glosson <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
Cc: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
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I've talked to some Lhasa Apso breeders about Cushings in the breed and
they say it is news to them; of course, it seems easy to call Cushings
something else, like old age or arthritis. Could it also be possible
that these Lhasas (below) have been treated with prednisone, inciting the
temporary type of Cushings? Lhasas tend to have allergies and itchy skin
problems. Maybe the local vet over-treats with prednisone rather than
investigating the underlying source of the problem? I am, of course,
interested because Tibetan Terriers are thought to be the precursors of
the Lhasa Apso breed.
Would breeds born with smaller livers, like Greyhounds and Tibetan
Terriers, be more susceptible to Cushings? Certainly they must be more
prone to develop liver damage or pancreatitis, and chemical toxins must
affect them more easily. Oddly enough, TTs often shed their winter coats
only to have the fur grow back in different hues, much like several of you
have described in your dogs.
Debbie in Cheyenne, I had a tough time finding a compatible vet in
Cheyenne. On my second try I found a swell one who retired six months
later! After that I just went to U/Colorado. Be careful of walking your
dog in the parks there. They used to spray them with chemicals that caused
irreparable harm to my dog's paws. At U/Colorado they advised me not to
walk him in the park.
What really bothers me in these, the early days of Cushings for Sweetie,
is the erratic nature of the disease. Some days she's raring to go and
the next, she hides in a corner and acts depressed. Yesterday I had to
carry her back 1/4 of the way from her usual walk, but today she ran
outdoors first thing and was guarding the entire neighborhood. Thanks for
listening and being there,
Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Janice Glosson wrote:
> My vet feels that there is definitely a familial tendency for Cushing's.
> He stops short of calling it hereditary. I am a poodle breeder and
have
> been for 30 years. One of my dogs-Annie-is Cushingnoid. I have researched
> carefully as possible the hereditary aspects and have come up with
no
> definitive answers. My own experience shows that within several miles
of
> my boarding kennel, there are 7 Lhasa Apsos with Cushing's. Most of
these
> dogs are from the same breeder or are related so that would indicate
a
> genetic component in the Lhasa. I also see mini Schnauzers with Cushing's.
> Right now we board 3 dogs from different owners who have Cushing's.
>
> Since Addison's Disease is proven inheritable and it is athe opposite
of
> Cushing's, isn't it very likely that Cushing's is inheritable?
>
> Janice 7 Annie
>
> ----------
> > From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
> > To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> > Subject: Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
> > Date: Sunday, April 12, 1998 7:16 AM
> >
> > > Hi, We've just had our second dog diagnosed with Cushings
at the
> > >age of 12. Rigsby is a minature schnauzer, who has always
enjoyed good
> > >health but suddenly went downhill following the death of
his mother
> > >recently. A couple of years ago, his half sister Chutney
(same mother,
> > >different father) was also diagnosed with the disease, but
too late to
> > >save her. As you can imagine. It seems strange that we
should see two
> > >occurences of what is a relatively rare syndrome in the same
family,
> and
> > >we am wondering whether there is any knowledge of a possible
hereditary
> > >or environmental link that may be to blame? Many thanks
for your
> time,
> > >and for providing such a worthwhile and informative site.
Best
> regards,
> > > David & Jill Smith Norfolk, England.
> >
> > I was told by my vet that there was no hereditary element to worry
about.
> I
> > have two of Penny's offspring in my house and pray ever day that
he is
> > right. I also have on who has Penny in him on both sides of the
family
> tree
> > which makes me more concerned about the hereditary aspect of this
> disease.
> >
> > Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie,
Bo, and
> Gabe.
> >
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:54:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: I do not see any postings
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And I never see my own postings - may I assume that's the way it is
supposed to work? I'm a list-newbie...
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, chester b. smith wrote:
> Something happened and I no longer see any postings from anyone.
I just resubscribed to see if that was the problem.
>
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:00:46 EDT
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Subject: Re: I do not see any postings
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I have never seen my own postings either .
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:04:35 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: I do not see any postings
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If you want to see your own posts, you can adjust your subscription to
"acknowledge" by sending e-mail to listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
with the message
SET list-name MAIL ACK
--
your friendly list administrator,
-Leslie
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:36:14 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: I do not see any postings
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Most mail list processors are set up so that the poster does not see
his/her
own mail. This is usually a setable option.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:27:34 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Brittiany
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Rich Herrmann wrote:
>
> We are new to list but it makes me sad and happy that there are others
to
> talk to about our little ones. Sad that some one else is going thru
this
> but happy that at least we can all talk and compare and be of comfort
to
> each other. Our dog Brittiany started showing signs right after
> Thanksgiving , at that time she ate almost anything that came in site
but
> recently ,we have been having a VERY hard time getting her to eat ,she
was
> close to 20 pounds then ,now she is at 16.2 , with her built she looks
very
> thin, but the looks don't bother me that much it is the fact that some
days
> she doesn't eat as much as our birds do. All of you keep saying you
have
> trouble getting yours to stop eating ours doesn't want to eat. Is
there
> something we are missing here????Does anybody have any ideas?? Some
one on
> the dashie list said to feed her those like ensure shakes on her bad
days
> does anyone have a comment on that good or bad? Thanks and this
is a
> very good idea, it really helps to have someone to talk and listen
to .
>
> Judi
Hi Judi
I'm glad you found the group. We all know how frustrating this disease
can be. Gucci's eating habits continually change. Sometimes she won't
eat more than a half cup of food all day. Our vet looks at this as a
good sign, since overeating is the usual problem. We have also noticed a
problem with the Gooch eating mud when I let her outside. If I call her
in and give her some food, she eats if ravenously (She's never been a
ravenous eater). This happens at different times of the day. So maybe
Brittiany's eating cycle is thrown off like some of her other functions.
That seems to be what's happened to the Gooch. Try offering her
something at different times and see if she goes for it. Good luck!
Ripley, Gucci and Cole
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:45:13 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Little Secret
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Leslie....
I am sure you are quite busy with the redesigning and all but I just
couldn't contain myself when I saw Dr. Bruyette's name!!! It's like
having the "Top Dog" of Cushing's with us! I wasn't sure if you
knew
who he was but silly me....I should have known better but I nearly
fainted when I saw his name!!! When I saw his name I jumped up from the
computer and walked around the house for about 15 minutes saying out
loud "Oh my God, I can't believe it!" It's like you hit the jackpot!
I
AM SO PROUD OF YOU!!! It's nice to know that he's out there
"lurking"!!
I'm fighting with tooth and nail to get Schonus "back on track".
He has
an appt on Monday for an ear check and if not better he'll have to be
scheduled for the surgery otherwise it can turn into meningitis, etc.
He's moaning quite a bit tonite so I kinda have my doubts that the
antibiotic is working....The only challenge for me is if he has to have
the surgery...he has NEVER been away from me overnight! In fact, the
only time he has been out of my sight is when they did the ultrasound on
him and I cried like a baby! When they took him away from me to have
the US done..he just looked back with the "eyes"! I'm also going
to
have his thyroid test done again on Monday. It was low the first time
it was done but my Vet wanted to wait til we got the Cushing's under
control before treating the thyroid but I think it's time to check it.
I wanna see hair on his body...too much time has gone by and he should
have so much more!! I also picked up some antioxidants for him to start
taking. I'm fighting with every bit of my being to do all I can for
him! Sometimes I just want to scream "Calgon, take me away" but
then I
think of what and how Schonus feels, then I feel like I'm being selfish
and get myself back to reality...pushing pills!! BTW....you should see
him take his pills....I just tell him to "open like a big boy"
and he
opens his mouth about 1/2"....it's a start!!
Just some food for thought....when I first found the Cushing's page and
saw the "In Memory" typed in small letters at the bottom...my
first
impression was "what a beautiful way to remember" but it sure
didn't
take me long to change my mind to how I feel now! Just remember she's
the reason why!
Good luck with the redesigning....I can't wait to see! Gives me
something to look forward to! Best of Luck!
Linda
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:53:15 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Crossbreeds
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Leslie.....
I laughed til I had tears! Good One!
Linda
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:57:22 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Vaccinations
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I know I've asked this question before but can't find any definite
answers.....it's like no one wants to commit themselves....which is
best/better?....titer testing or the vaccinations? Since I couldn't
find a definite answer Schonus got his heartworm test and is now on
daily pills and he also got his distemper/coronovirus, etc. He's not
due for rabies til next year but I just didn't want to take any chances!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:01:17 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hair Regrowth
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Judy....
Called my Vet today. Schonus will be getting his thyroid test check
done on Monday along with a recheck of his ears. He has Hemophilus
influenza infection and has been on antibiotics. Thanx!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:03:11 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hair Color
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VINCENT!!
Atta boy!
Schonus
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:29:49 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Jenny....
Thanks so much for your kind words. I must apologize for making Schonus
sound worse than he really is. I'm just one of those people that
worries too much! He's had a lot of infections that keep popping up
and I'm not even sure if they are Cushing's related. Please be assured
that he's doing quite well. Heck, I'm looking for something to give me
energy to keep up with him.
Linda
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:03:09 -0700
From: Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: More pill camouflage
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Chester's getting a lot of pills, and since he's small, sometime I have
to
break up capsules and divvy up the powder. So I've been taking tubular
pasta, sticking all the meds inside, and then stopping up both ends with
cream cheese or whatever gooey edible is handy. As I say, he's a little
guy, so I use penne. My friend with a Kuvasz uses rigatoni.
Jane
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:12:43 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Debbie:
The supplement that I use is called "Missing Link"....they
have a web
site....it is :
http://www.designinghealth.com/
I also give 200 mg Vit E and one vitamin C tablet daily.
The Missing Link is a powder, so it can be mixed in the food.
Lisa
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:40:35 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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LisaVann wrote:
>
> Debbie:
>
> The supplement that I use is called "Missing Link"....they
have a web
> site....it is :
> http://www.designinghealth.com/
>
> I also give 200 mg Vit E and one vitamin C tablet daily.
>
> The Missing Link is a powder, so it can be mixed in the food.
>
> Lisa
Hi Lisa,
Thanks for the info on missing link. I have one Shar-pei with cushings
and another with terrible allergies so I think I'll give it a try on
both of them. I'm a big believer in vitamins. How's Arthur doing on his
anipryl? It's been about a month now hasn't it? Good luck!
Ripley, Gucci and Cole
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:29:32 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Prayers
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Linda and Schonus, our prayers are with you, please let us know as soon
as
you know anything on Monday, this will be a -really-long-weekend for you
we
know, but know that we are all thinking of you, give Schonus a big hug from
Sunny and Saphir, Love Randy and Jackie
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:33:15 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Lisa, what weight is your baby, we asked our vet as to what amount of
vitamin E to give "Sunny" and she said 500mg a day, "Sunny"
only weighs 19.2
lbs, Regards Jackie
At 10:12 PM 4/16/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Debbie:
>
>The supplement that I use is called "Missing Link"....they
have a web
>site....it is :
>http://www.designinghealth.com/
>
>I also give 200 mg Vit E and one vitamin C tablet daily.
>
>The Missing Link is a powder, so it can be mixed in the food.
>
>
>Lisa
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:49:26 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Another Update
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On Apr 16, 8:29pm, L Boyce wrote:
> Subject: Another Update
> Jenny....
>
> Thanks so much for your kind words. I must apologize for making Schonus
> sound worse than he really is. I'm just one of those people that
> worries too much! He's had a lot of infections that keep popping
up
> and I'm not even sure if they are Cushing's related. Please be assured
> that he's doing quite well. Heck, I'm looking for something to give
me
> energy to keep up with him.
>
> Linda
>
>-- End of excerpt from L Boyce
We had come to fear the worst with Ivan on three occasions. It seems
that,
living on the edge, all we can see is down. Now I look up to see him.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:51:44 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: More pill camouflage
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On Apr 16, 6:03pm, Jane Goldman wrote:
> Subject: More pill camouflage
> Chester's getting a lot of pills, and since he's small, sometime I
have to
> break up capsules and divvy up the powder. So I've been taking tubular
> pasta, sticking all the meds inside, and then stopping up both ends
with
> cream cheese or whatever gooey edible is handy. As I say, he's a little
> guy, so I use penne. My friend with a Kuvasz uses rigatoni.
>
> Jane
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from Jane Goldman
Be careful about opening the caps. Some are designed for slow release,
and
opening them may affect the pattern. This is something worthing discussing
with your vet or pharmacist.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:57:35 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: More pill camouflage
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Jane, your description of filling penne full of meds made me laugh and
remember doing something similar to get our Melissa to eat. During her
up-and-down appetite phase, she went through a period where she would eat
only pasta, so we'd stuff little chunks of chicken into penne--dozens of
them--to trick her into eating something substantial. It didn't work for
long, she soon began eating around the chicken. I never thought I'd ever
be so meticulously preparing food for my dog--I don't even go to that much
trouble to prepare my own meals! But, of course, I'd give just about
anything to have to fill penne for Melissa again....
-Leslie
At 06:03 PM 4/16/98 -0700, Jane Goldman wrote:
>Chester's getting a lot of pills, and since he's small, sometime I have
to
>break up capsules and divvy up the powder. So I've been taking tubular
>pasta, sticking all the meds inside, and then stopping up both ends
with
>cream cheese or whatever gooey edible is handy. As I say, he's a little
>guy, so I use penne. My friend with a Kuvasz uses rigatoni.
>
>Jane
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:40:52 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's Gallery Additions
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Okay folks, get ready to be bowled over--the faces of three of the cutest
dogs ever have been added to the Cushing's Gallery: Ted, Penny, and (drum
roll please) Maggie.
Please stop by to ooh and aah over them at
<http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html/>
-Leslie
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:46:15 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Brittiany
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Judi,
We tried "Ensure" shakes with our dogs and they hated it.
It seems that
the Ensure supplement only comes in vanilla, chocolate and coffee flavors.
We
now use CliniCare canine liquid veterinary supplement (available only through
your vet's office). Our dogs who don't need it lap it up quickly. Clea,
who
does need it because she doesn't eat the good things she needs on her own,
has
to be force fed the clinicare through a 12 cc syringe. She now weighs about
18
1/2 lbs, and we give her about 60 cc of clinicare throughout the day and
not
all at once. This is just a supplement, though, to the food she likes to
eat
on her own. (She was a 20-pounder and had gone down to 16 lbs like Brittiany.)
If Brittiany does not like to eat at all, ask your vet for the appropriate
canned dog food prescription diet for her particular health needs. In Clea's
case,, she is in chronic renal failure, so we use Hill's Prescription Diet
u/d.
We puree one can of it in a food processor with 7/8 can hot water &
vitamins.
We then spoon it into a syringe and feed it to her by injecting a small
quantity into her mouth at each time. It takes two of us to feed her.
We use
Monoject 35 cc syringes with catheter tip, available through your vet's
office.
(I think we paid $13 for a box of 30. The black rubber tips on the plungers
wear out after some usage.) We give Clea about 200 cc/day, spread out into
3
small meals (4-6 is recommended). This is in addition to what she likes
to eat
on her own, which we closely monitor for calories and content.
Your vet should be able to tell you how many calories/day Brittiany
needs
for body maintenance, minerals, vitamins, etc. and how many cc of what kind
and
combination of food to give her through the syringe for her to have a balanced
diet. Brittiany seems to have lost a lot of weight for her size. In Clea's
case, we went easy in building her weight back to normal. If your vet says
"Just give her anything," we would suggest you seek advice from
another
source. We finally did, and it was one of the best decisions we ever made.
Hope Brittiany is munching away on her own soon. Hugs & licks
to her from
our "wrecking crew."
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:33:57 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
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Maggie is certainly one happy looking pup!!!
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:45:30 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Pet Gallery
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Leslie,Wonderful pictures of the babies, you are doing a wonderful job,
thank you so much for being there for us. Jackie and Family
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:05:36 -0400
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
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my server "says" file not found!!! raaatttsss !!! help!!!
Henry
Leslie Lawson wrote:
> Okay folks, get ready to be bowled over--the faces of three of the
cutest
> dogs ever have been added to the Cushing's Gallery: Ted, Penny, and
(drum
> roll please) Maggie.
>
> Please stop by to ooh and aah over them at
> <http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html/>
>
> -Leslie
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:28:04 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
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Oops, my mistake just take the "/" off the end of the previous
address so
that it reads:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html>
Sorry for the delay, but those cutie-pie faces are certainly worth the wait!
-Leslie
At 01:05 PM 4/17/98 -0400, HD Bliley wrote:
>my server "says" file not found!!! raaatttsss !!! help!!!
>
>Henry
>> <http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html/>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:55:01 -0700
From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
To: "cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Missing Link
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Hi everyone,
I went to my whole foods today to look into purchasing "Missing
Link."
They only carried the Missing Link for humans and it was $22.50 for a 16
oz bag. Is this about the right price??? I also went to the web page
that Lisa supplied and found out you can order through an 800 number but
they supply no price lists. I e-mailed them to find out a price list I
will see if they respond or not. I think I remember Dillon purchasing it
at Whole Foods. Dillon did they have the canine version where you
live?? By the way Amber and I live in Northern California. Thanks for
any input you can give me and if I receive a price list I will pass it
along.
Have a nice weekend and woof woof from amber
Melissa
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:58:01 -0700
From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
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Hi,
It's me again. Just as I pushed send on my message, the price list came
in. Here it is. It seems there prices are way cheaper than whole
foods. Hopes this helps.
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Melissa Smith,
Thank you for your interest in The Missing Link.
Here are the prices
8oz. Canine -$10.95
1lb. Canine -$15.00
5lb. Canine -$56.80
Hope that helps, call me for more info if you like.
extension 517
-Alexander
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From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
To: Alexander@designinghealth.com <Alexander@designinghealth.com>
Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:43 AM
Subject: price list for missing link for canines
>Could you please send me a price list for missing link for canines.
I
>am interested in purchasing it for my dog who has cushings disease.
It
>is available at a whole foods store near me but I would like to see
if
>it is less expensive ordering it directly.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>Melissa Smith
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:14:57 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's: Missing Link
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For those of y'all interested in Missing Link, here's the address for
one
distributor. She's even added a link to the Cushing's Page!
http://web.as.net/~adandawg/misslink.html
(I don't really know anything about this vendor or the product, so don't
consider this an endorsement.)
-Leslie
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:21:42 -0400
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
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thanks for the tip re accessing the pets picture page--it worked
Henry Bliley
Leslie Lawson wrote:
> Oops, my mistake just take the "/" off the end of the
previous address so
> that it reads:
>
> http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html>
>
> Sorry for the delay, but those cutie-pie faces are certainly worth
the wait!
>
> -Leslie
>
> At 01:05 PM 4/17/98 -0400, HD Bliley wrote:
> >my server "says" file not found!!! raaatttsss !!! help!!!
> >
> >Henry
>
> >> <http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html/>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:45:27 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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Hi Everyone,
I am new to this list and would like to introduce myself and my
"family". My name is Liza (pronounced Leeza) and I have three
miniature
poodles, Boomer, Sascha, and Cochi. Oh, and I also have a husband,
Mike.
Boomer, who is 11.5 years old, was diagnosed with Cushing's Disease
this past Monday, April 13. To me it was a relief finally knowing what
was wrong with him. He started losing hair last December. We tested
for hypothyroidism and the levels came back low, so for several months
we treated for that. Then the increased appetite, thirst, and urination
began. Next thyroid test showed even lower levels, so we went to an
internal medicine specialist and after a couple of more months finally
did the test for Cushing's and it came back positive. Boy, you should
see the bruises on his neck from where they drew blood. Scared the heck
out of me til the vet told me that was another symptom of Cushing's.
We are currently waiting to get the results bac kfrom the test to
tell us if the pituitary or adrenal gland are involved. Now, here comes
the questions.
1. Why do they need to know the difference? Isn't the treatment the
same?
2. Treatment: We haven't started it yet, but I understand it is just
medication he will take for the rest of his life? Is that all?
3. How soon after treatment begins should we see any changes, and what
changes can I expect to see?
4. Here's the one that really scares me....is Boomer's life going to be
significantly shortened because of this?
I have been on the list for 1 day so I have not gotten many posts, but
I get the feeling that many of your furbabies are really sick or don't
eat much? Are all Cushing's dogs really sick and don't eat much? Is
it from the medication? Please say it isn't so. Boomer doesn't seem
sick, he's just bald, hungry, thirsty and has to pee a lot. Is he gonna
get worse? It is my understanding the with medication he will get
better.
I have been to the Cushing's Gallery and it seems that some dogs
don't live long once diagnosed and some dogs do. What are the factors
that determine this? Is it age at diagnosis, other sicknesses, or how
early or late it is diagnoses? Or does no one know? I am very anxious
to get some answers. I have talked with a couple of people on my poodle
list that have been through this, but I still have so many questions so
please bear with me.
Also, some of you were talking about Missig Link. Is this good for
Cushings dogs? I bought some once several years ago, but saw no
difference in my furbabies so I stopped using it. Now I'm using
something called Sea Meal by the manufacturers of Solid Gold Dog Food.
It is suppose to be very good for the coat. Has anyone heard of it?
Boomer also takes Fish Oil pills on the recommendation of the vet. Does
anyone use these?
Ok, I'll stop for now. Thanks in advance for you patience. This is,
as I'm sure you all know, somewhat scary for me. I'll be waiting to
hear from you!
-- Liza and the GatorPoos(Boomer, Sascha, Cochi)
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:55:36 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hair
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We had a black/red long-haired dachshund (Dapper Dan) who wore brown
spats.
He lost his hair in chunks on the comb and his tail that once looked like
a
flag waving in the breeze became a "rat tail." When his hair
started to grow
back, it was a soft fur--red-brown highlighted with a little black. Then
his
hair became more bristly on his back. He looked like he had stuck his tongue
into a light socket, especially after a rain.
Cleas has not lost much of her hair at all, and her coat looks very nice.
But then, she's perfect in every way. (Clea probably gets more vitamins
than
most dogs.)
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:06:57 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hereditary Element in Cushings
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We think Cushings can be hereditary. Our little dachshund Clea (diagnosed
with both adrenal and pituitary) is the mother of Dapper Dan, Timmy and
Little
Rosti. Dapper Dan had the pituitary kind, and the micro tumor that normally
causes pituitary dependent Cushings grew into a brain tumor. He died 2
1/2
years ago. Timmy (who also has a thyroid problem) and Little Rosti (we
are
watching his blood work and urine for diabetes) are "pre-Cushings/"
They are
showing the all too familiar early signs, symptoms and blood profiles, but
the
various tests (urine creatinine/cortisol, low-dose dexamethasone supression
and
ACTH stimulation) and (in Rosti's case) ultrasound examination are so far
negative. To watch them run around and wrestle together, you wouldn't think
anything was wrong with them.
We cannot treat them medically for Cushings until they show positive
test
results. (Are we wrong to wait? Comments and advice, hearsay or otherwise,
would be most appreciated.) Our vet suggested that Rosti's high alk-phos
values could be caused by episodic stimulation of the adrenal glands, a
sign of
possible pituitary dependent Cushings. We are, however, watching their
diet
(pre-renal) because of the constant kidney/urinary tract infections they
seem
to have.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:11:42 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hair
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Ann, John & Family:
Sorry to hear that Kelley was so badly beaten up on the day, of all days,
he
was diagnosed with Cushings. What a horrible experience! Hope he's
well mended by now and remains strong.
Maria loves the color of his new fur: "not tri-coloured but patchwork!!!"
She's a quilter, our house is covered in quilts and fabrics, and the thought
of
having a dog with patchwork fur is just too, too exciting for her. She's
looking at our dogs in a strange way now, that only the husband of quilter
can
understand.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:21:06 -0700
From: Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: test results
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When I described Chester's early diagnosis, Dillon asked what his dex
suppression test and ACTH stim test results were. Dillon, all I know is
that the dex supp test was "normal". Doesn't look like they did
an ACTH
stim test. They did measure alkaline phosphatase levels (319 in November
1997; 305 in March 1998) along with other blood levels, and followed with
an ultrasound. The ultrasound results showed enlarged adrenal glands; a
mildly enlarged & hyperechoic liver; and sludgy gall bladder.
By the way, good point about not messing with slow-release capsules.
But
I'm told that opening the capsules is fine; it's crushing them that would
alter their metabolism.
Finally, many have recommended Solid Gold food. I checked out their web
site, and it seems they have a bunch of different kinds of food. Which is
the one for the Cushing's crowd? Many thanks...
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:37:29 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Missing Link
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Melissa...
Just received a free sample and a price list today from Missing
Link....I've got prices right here in front of me!
Lisa....
Is the Dry Water something you add to food or is it food and you just
add water? Because of Schonus' food allergies, looks like that's all
I'll be able to get for him.
Linda
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:08:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Here We Go Again!
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Hi All!
Just to let you know Schonus' ears are better but now we're back to the
staph infection! Talk about going in circles!! *L*
Does anyone have any references as to whether or not staph is caused
by
Cushing's and some preventive measures I can take after it clears up
this time? I asked my Vet and he said staph is everywhere....guess I
need to sew a pair of "booties" for him for his walks...boy, that
would
really insult his manliness!!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:56:44 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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Hi, Liza and Boomer! Welcome to the group!
I can identify with all your questions and cannot wait to see the answers
you
get. My Rosie was just diagnosed the first of March. Her symptoms are
a
little different than Boomers and most of the babies since she is dealing
with
diabetes, also. She has been on Lysodren for only one week and on Monday
will
have an ACTH stem test. I don't know what that is going to tell us really.
Rosie has hair but she had a lot of hair and shedded constantly. Since
she
has been on medication her coat has slicked up and improved like the old
Rosie
I use to know.....Don't we wish we could go backwards in time......She also
was really hungry, panted all the time, drank a lot of water and pee- peed
a
lot. She was on Dreprnyl for 30 days before Lysodren and those symptoms
went
away. On Lysodren this week I have seen the panting, hunger and water intake
all elevate so I am in the dark as to what is going on. If her insulin
dependence keeps decreasing I guess that is good, but I want to know we
are
getting a handle on the Cushings also.
Again, welcome to the group. There are a lot of really nice, empathic,
caring
people in one location. Thanks to you all for the support you share with
everyone. I only hope I can grow up to be wonderful like you in this group.
Anyway, Good News for us! Last night and this morning Rosie's urine
tests
showed negative. This means that this morning I was able to decrease her
insulin by 10%. So now she is getting 17 units twice a day instead of 19.
Keep your fingers crossed and hope that we are able to keep decreasing it.
Insulin free is what we are hoping for in the future. Her test this evening
showed glucose again, but it was close to negative.
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:18:32 -0400
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
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I recommend that you start the 'pre-Cushings' on VitC to acidify the
urine, and
bolster the immune system, also Vit B complex for possible liver complications.
Both are safe.
Henry Bliley
Tom White wrote:
> We think Cushings can be hereditary. Our little dachshund Clea
(diagnosed
> with both adrenal and pituitary) is the mother of Dapper Dan, Timmy
and Little
> Rosti. Dapper Dan had the pituitary kind, and the micro tumor that
normally
> causes pituitary dependent Cushings grew into a brain tumor. He died
2 1/2
> years ago. Timmy (who also has a thyroid problem) and Little Rosti
(we are
> watching his blood work and urine for diabetes) are "pre-Cushings/"
They are
> showing the all too familiar early signs, symptoms and blood profiles,
but the
> various tests (urine creatinine/cortisol, low-dose dexamethasone supression
and
> ACTH stimulation) and (in Rosti's case) ultrasound examination are
so far
> negative. To watch them run around and wrestle together, you wouldn't
think
> anything was wrong with them.
> We cannot treat them medically for Cushings until they show positive
test
> results. (Are we wrong to wait? Comments and advice, hearsay or otherwise,
> would be most appreciated.) Our vet suggested that Rosti's high alk-phos
> values could be caused by episodic stimulation of the adrenal glands,
a sign of
> possible pituitary dependent Cushings. We are, however, watching their
diet
> (pre-renal) because of the constant kidney/urinary tract infections
they seem
> to have.
> Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:23:41 -0400
From: HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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the best of Solid Gold is the 'hundsn'flocken' (sp??)--its all natural.
You
will want to bolster the kibble with sea meal for trace minerals and enzymes,
and flaxseed oil (from Whole Foods) and cottage cheese for the sulfured
protein. (a little plain non-fat yoghourt is good too). Supplement kibble
with fresh and cooked veggies for roughage, cooked brown rice is good too
and
is very low in calories.
Henry Bliley
Jane Goldman wrote:
> When I described Chester's early diagnosis, Dillon asked what his
dex
> suppression test and ACTH stim test results were. Dillon, all I know
is
> that the dex supp test was "normal". Doesn't look like they
did an ACTH
> stim test. They did measure alkaline phosphatase levels (319 in November
> 1997; 305 in March 1998) along with other blood levels, and followed
with
> an ultrasound. The ultrasound results showed enlarged adrenal glands;
a
> mildly enlarged & hyperechoic liver; and sludgy gall bladder.
>
> By the way, good point about not messing with slow-release capsules.
But
> I'm told that opening the capsules is fine; it's crushing them that
would
> alter their metabolism.
>
> Finally, many have recommended Solid Gold food. I checked out their
web
> site, and it seems they have a bunch of different kinds of food. Which
is
> the one for the Cushing's crowd? Many thanks...
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:26:12 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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Liza Klosterman wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I am new to this list and would like to introduce myself and my
> "family". My name is Liza (pronounced Leeza) and I have
three miniature
> poodles, Boomer, Sascha, and Cochi. Oh, and I also have a husband,
> Mike.
> Boomer, who is 11.5 years old, was diagnosed with Cushing's Disease
> this past Monday, April 13. To me it was a relief finally knowing
what
> was wrong with him. He started losing hair last December. We tested
> for hypothyroidism and the levels came back low, so for several months
> we treated for that. Then the increased appetite, thirst, and urination
> began. Next thyroid test showed even lower levels, so we went to an
> internal medicine specialist and after a couple of more months finally
> did the test for Cushing's and it came back positive. Boy, you should
> see the bruises on his neck from where they drew blood. Scared the
heck
> out of me til the vet told me that was another symptom of Cushing's.
> We are currently waiting to get the results bac kfrom the test to
> tell us if the pituitary or adrenal gland are involved. Now, here
comes
> the questions.
> 1. Why do they need to know the difference? Isn't the treatment the
> same?
> 2. Treatment: We haven't started it yet, but I understand it is just
> medication he will take for the rest of his life? Is that all?
> 3. How soon after treatment begins should we see any changes, and
what
> changes can I expect to see?
> 4. Here's the one that really scares me....is Boomer's life going
to be
> significantly shortened because of this?
>
> I have been on the list for 1 day so I have not gotten many posts,
but
> I get the feeling that many of your furbabies are really sick or don't
> eat much? Are all Cushing's dogs really sick and don't eat much?
Is
> it from the medication? Please say it isn't so. Boomer doesn't seem
> sick, he's just bald, hungry, thirsty and has to pee a lot. Is he
gonna
> get worse? It is my understanding the with medication he will get
> better.
> I have been to the Cushing's Gallery and it seems that some dogs
> don't live long once diagnosed and some dogs do. What are the factors
> that determine this? Is it age at diagnosis, other sicknesses, or
how
> early or late it is diagnoses? Or does no one know? I am very anxious
> to get some answers. I have talked with a couple of people on my poodle
> list that have been through this, but I still have so many questions
so
> please bear with me.
> Also, some of you were talking about Missig Link. Is this good for
> Cushings dogs? I bought some once several years ago, but saw no
> difference in my furbabies so I stopped using it. Now I'm using
> something called Sea Meal by the manufacturers of Solid Gold Dog Food.
> It is suppose to be very good for the coat. Has anyone heard of it?
> Boomer also takes Fish Oil pills on the recommendation of the vet.
Does
> anyone use these?
> Ok, I'll stop for now. Thanks in advance for you patience. This
is,
> as I'm sure you all know, somewhat scary for me. I'll be waiting to
> hear from you!
>
> -- Liza and the GatorPoos(Boomer, Sascha, Cochi)
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Welcome Liza and pups! I'm glad you found us. You have all the same
questions we've all asked. My Gucci has pituitary Cushings and we've
been using Anipryl since she was diagnosed in October 97. It took about
2 weeks before I could see a difference but now she's doing pretty well.
Her subsequent ACTH tests have come back normal. They have to know if
it's adrenal or pituitary because Anipryl only works on pituitary
Cushings. And yes, you will have to give Boomer meds for the rest of his
life and we all pray that's a good long time! Not knowing what Boomer's
gonna feel like from one day to the next may become common for you. I
know that's how it is for me and the Gooch. But thank God that she has
way more good days than bad! Good luck and hugs to Boomer :-)
Ripley, Gucci and Cole
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:51:37 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
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Since Muffin is pre-Cushings and has liver problems, so I'd love to start
her on
supplements, but what dosages should I use on a 14.5 lb dog who's supposed
to be 12
lbs? Any ideas out there? Muffin already has "debris" in her
bladder and some
mineralization of the kidneys according to the u/s. I'd like to do whatever
possible
to help her.
Wendy and Muffin.
HD Bliley wrote:
> I recommend that you start the 'pre-Cushings' on VitC to acidify
the urine, and
> bolster the immune system, also Vit B complex for possible liver complications.
> Both are safe.
>
> Henry Bliley
>
> Tom White wrote:
>
> > We think Cushings can be hereditary. Our little dachshund
Clea (diagnosed
> > with both adrenal and pituitary) is the mother of Dapper Dan,
Timmy and Little
> > Rosti. Dapper Dan had the pituitary kind, and the micro tumor
that normally
> > causes pituitary dependent Cushings grew into a brain tumor.
He died 2 1/2
> > years ago. Timmy (who also has a thyroid problem) and Little
Rosti (we are
> > watching his blood work and urine for diabetes) are "pre-Cushings/"
They are
> > showing the all too familiar early signs, symptoms and blood profiles,
but the
> > various tests (urine creatinine/cortisol, low-dose dexamethasone
supression and
> > ACTH stimulation) and (in Rosti's case) ultrasound examination
are so far
> > negative. To watch them run around and wrestle together, you
wouldn't think
> > anything was wrong with them.
> > We cannot treat them medically for Cushings until they show
positive test
> > results. (Are we wrong to wait? Comments and advice, hearsay
or otherwise,
> > would be most appreciated.) Our vet suggested that Rosti's high
alk-phos
> > values could be caused by episodic stimulation of the adrenal
glands, a sign of
> > possible pituitary dependent Cushings. We are, however, watching
their diet
> > (pre-renal) because of the constant kidney/urinary tract infections
they seem
> > to have.
> > Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> > trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:59:54 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
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HD Bliley wrote:
>
> I recommend that you start the 'pre-Cushings' on VitC to acidify the
urine, and
> bolster the immune system, also Vit B complex for possible liver complications.
> Both are safe.
How do these supplements relate to the functioning of the endocrine
system?
Will it interact with any of the medications that our dogs might be on?
Jeri
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:53:11 -0400
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Dear Linda, There will be a candle glowing here all weekend for Schonus.
Your post brought tears to my eyes but from everything I am hearing your
kid
is a fighter. I know that everything will turn out ok. I am not here that
often, but please let me know who the infamous doctor is that you are
writing about.
L Boyce wrote:
> Leslie....
>
> I am sure you are quite busy with the redesigning and all but I just
> couldn't contain myself when I saw Dr. Bruyette's name!!! It's like
> having the "Top Dog" of Cushing's with us! I wasn't sure
if you knew
> who he was but silly me....I should have known better but I nearly
> fainted when I saw his name!!! When I saw his name I jumped up from
the
> computer and walked around the house for about 15 minutes saying out
> loud "Oh my God, I can't believe it!" It's like you hit
the jackpot! I
> AM SO PROUD OF YOU!!! It's nice to know that he's out there
> "lurking"!!
>
> I'm fighting with tooth and nail to get Schonus "back on track".
He has
> an appt on Monday for an ear check and if not better he'll have to
be
> scheduled for the surgery otherwise it can turn into meningitis, etc.
> He's moaning quite a bit tonite so I kinda have my doubts that the
> antibiotic is working....The only challenge for me is if he has to
have
> the surgery...he has NEVER been away from me overnight! In fact, the
> only time he has been out of my sight is when they did the ultrasound
on
> him and I cried like a baby! When they took him away from me to have
> the US done..he just looked back with the "eyes"! I'm also
going to
> have his thyroid test done again on Monday. It was low the first time
> it was done but my Vet wanted to wait til we got the Cushing's under
> control before treating the thyroid but I think it's time to check
it.
> I wanna see hair on his body...too much time has gone by and he should
> have so much more!! I also picked up some antioxidants for him to
start
> taking. I'm fighting with every bit of my being to do all I can for
> him! Sometimes I just want to scream "Calgon, take me away"
but then I
> think of what and how Schonus feels, then I feel like I'm being selfish
> and get myself back to reality...pushing pills!! BTW....you should
see
> him take his pills....I just tell him to "open like a big boy"
and he
> opens his mouth about 1/2"....it's a start!!
>
> Just some food for thought....when I first found the Cushing's page
and
> saw the "In Memory" typed in small letters at the bottom...my
first
> impression was "what a beautiful way to remember" but it
sure didn't
> take me long to change my mind to how I feel now! Just remember she's
> the reason why!
>
> Good luck with the redesigning....I can't wait to see! Gives me
> something to look forward to! Best of Luck!
>
> Linda
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:05:34 -0400
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
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Dear Wendy, I have just (hopefully) gotten my dog into the "maintenance"
stage of using
Lysodren. It has been a grim two mos. His weight went from 29 lbs. to
42!!! He has now
taken off a couple of lbs. What is "pre-Cushings"? I am trying
to learn all that I
can. Love to your dogs,
Patty
Wendy wrote:
> Since Muffin is pre-Cushings and has liver problems, so I'd love
to start her on
> supplements, but what dosages should I use on a 14.5 lb dog who's supposed
to be 12
> lbs? Any ideas out there? Muffin already has "debris" in
her bladder and some
> mineralization of the kidneys according to the u/s. I'd like to do
whatever possible
> to help her.
>
> Wendy and Muffin.
>
> HD Bliley wrote:
>
> > I recommend that you start the 'pre-Cushings' on VitC to acidify
the urine, and
> > bolster the immune system, also Vit B complex for possible liver
complications.
> > Both are safe.
> >
> > Henry Bliley
> >
> > Tom White wrote:
> >
> > > We think Cushings can be hereditary. Our little dachshund
Clea (diagnosed
> > > with both adrenal and pituitary) is the mother of Dapper
Dan, Timmy and Little
> > > Rosti. Dapper Dan had the pituitary kind, and the micro
tumor that normally
> > > causes pituitary dependent Cushings grew into a brain tumor.
He died 2 1/2
> > > years ago. Timmy (who also has a thyroid problem) and Little
Rosti (we are
> > > watching his blood work and urine for diabetes) are "pre-Cushings/"
They are
> > > showing the all too familiar early signs, symptoms and blood
profiles, but the
> > > various tests (urine creatinine/cortisol, low-dose dexamethasone
supression and
> > > ACTH stimulation) and (in Rosti's case) ultrasound examination
are so far
> > > negative. To watch them run around and wrestle together,
you wouldn't think
> > > anything was wrong with them.
> > > We cannot treat them medically for Cushings until they
show positive test
> > > results. (Are we wrong to wait? Comments and advice, hearsay
or otherwise,
> > > would be most appreciated.) Our vet suggested that Rosti's
high alk-phos
> > > values could be caused by episodic stimulation of the adrenal
glands, a sign of
> > > possible pituitary dependent Cushings. We are, however,
watching their diet
> > > (pre-renal) because of the constant kidney/urinary tract
infections they seem
> > > to have.
> > > Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> > > trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:34:36 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
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Hi Patty,
Muffin has had the low-dose dex test twice (4hr test at local vet and
8hr test at U of MN vet
teaching hosp) now and both have come back borderline. She's not showing
any outward
symptoms of Cushing's, and since the blood work is borderline, they don't
want to start
treatment on her. So, she's doesn't really have Cushing's yet, but they
think she'll develop
it in the future. I'd like to do everything I can to keep that diagnosis
as far in the
future as possible.
I'm glad to hear your furbaby has reached maintainance. I hope things
go well from here on
out.
I'm moving from ND to CA soon and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions
on finding a
new vet. Should I call around and ask what their experience in treating
Cushinoid dogs is?
Wendy & Muffin
Daniel Klein wrote:
> Dear Wendy, I have just (hopefully) gotten my dog into the "maintenance"
stage of using
> Lysodren. It has been a grim two mos. His weight went from 29 lbs.
to 42!!! He has now
> taken off a couple of lbs. What is "pre-Cushings"? I am
trying to learn all that I
> can. Love to your dogs,
>
> Patty
>
> Wendy wrote:
>
> > Since Muffin is pre-Cushings and has liver problems, so I'd love
to start her on
> > supplements, but what dosages should I use on a 14.5 lb dog who's
supposed to be 12
> > lbs? Any ideas out there? Muffin already has "debris"
in her bladder and some
> > mineralization of the kidneys according to the u/s. I'd like
to do whatever possible
> > to help her.
> >
> > Wendy and Muffin.
> >
> > HD Bliley wrote:
> >
> > > I recommend that you start the 'pre-Cushings' on VitC to
acidify the urine, and
> > > bolster the immune system, also Vit B complex for possible
liver complications.
> > > Both are safe.
> > >
> > > Henry Bliley
> > >
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:57:48 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
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Speaking as someone who's had trouble with staph infections all her
life--staph is indeed everywhere. Whether it erupts into an infection
depends on all sorts of things. Compromised immune system could be one,
and
Cushing's does cause negative skin changes.
It's exacerbated by dampness. Where is Schonus' infection? If it's on
his
feet, could be he's licking them? Wash and dry them when they get wet.
Some easy cures or prophylactics: anti-bacterial soap such as Dial; tea
tree oil. You can mix the tea tree oil with mineral oil and use it to swab
out ears--or is that a different infection? Triple anti-biotic ointment
can
help, but wash and dry the area really well, first.
Good luck!
At 07:08 PM 4/17/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi All!
>
>Just to let you know Schonus' ears are better but now we're back to
the
>staph infection! Talk about going in circles!! *L*
>
>Does anyone have any references as to whether or not staph is caused
by
>Cushing's and some preventive measures I can take after it clears up
>this time? I asked my Vet and he said staph is everywhere....guess
I
>need to sew a pair of "booties" for him for his walks...boy,
that would
>really insult his manliness!!
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:14:45 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Susan...
The staph infection is the skin in between his pads. At the moment,
we
wash/soak his feet in Domeboro solution, dry his feet off and then apply
Bactoderm. Schonus is also on Keflex for it. He goes for four walks a
day but the only thing is he hasn't walked any place new. His pads are
starting to crack real bad so I've started applying Vitamin E oil as
well. The only time he licks his paws is when the infection is back and
that's how I know other than periodic checks. My Vet also recommended
Icthamol ointment.
I really do appreciate your help and Schonus sends a big lick for a
kiss! We live in a VERY small town and it's really hard to find tree
oil, etc. Guess it's time to hit the "search" button! Thanx
Again!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:17:05 -0700
From: Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
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Dear Wendy & all,
Wendy, welcome (soon) to California. Northern or southern? I'm in San
Francisco and I've been to a few vets I like a lot; heard about others.
So
e-mail me if I can offer any info.
Sounds like Muffin is in the same spot Chester is. I've been asking folks
on the list about pre-Cushings treatment, and I've gotten some good advice.
The big thing, I think, is to make sure your pup is on a low-fat,
low-protein, high-fiber diet. Some have suggested Solid Gold, others Hill's
w/d. And Henry Bliley just offered what sounds like a good formula for a
supplement: sea meal, flaxseed oil, cottage cheese and/or non-fat yogurt.
I'm still working out the amounts. (Any help on this front would be
appreciated.)
Also, I just spoke to Ada Brann about Missing Link (Leslie, she --
justifiably -- raved about your Cushing's site) as recommended by some of
you, so I'll be sprinkling a little bit of that around, too.
Best -- Jane
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:28:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Dudley Cushings
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Hi All,
I took Dudley back to the vet this last Friday for another Low Dose
Dexamenthasone Sup. test. This is the same 8 hour blood draw as they did
last Friday except they gave him sterioids first.
He came back from the vet with his left front leg swollen twice the size
as the right. I guess they had trouble stopping his bleeding after one
of
the blood draws so they put a tight bandage on him. The swelling has gone
down quite a bit except for the joint just above his foot, it's still pretty
puffy. It doesn't seem to bother him but I'm still not letting him run
like he like too, (Dudley's a greyhound).
Anyway this test was suppose to let the vet know if the Cushings is pituitary
related or adreanal. The vet called today when I was gone and talked to
my
son (13) who sometimes doesn't take good messages. My son told me that
the
vet said the tests didn't show anything. Now I'm confused. Has anyone
had
anything like this happen? I'm wondering what the next step is. He's suppose
to call me next week and talk to me.
Thanks for listening. Jan G. Seattle, WA
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:00:41 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Downunder Query
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When we read some of the stories on this list, I think that we have been
very
lucky with Kelly. As Lysodren is the only available Cushings treatment
in NZ,
we have not had ultra-sounds or any other diagnostic procedures done.
For the
first week of his loading phase (750mg daily) we had a few side effects
-
weakness in the back legs, bouts of shaking etc. but nothing major and for
the
following 10 days the vet had all the problems as we had to hospitalise
our baby
as the infections from the injuries he received in the mauling got totally
out
of hand and he had to have drains inserted etc. When he came home he only
had
another 4 more days of loading and since then we have had him on a maintainance
dose of 750mg Lysodren weekly and he really is doing fine. His appetite
is
normal to the extent that if he doesn't feel like eating everything he carts
it
out to the garden and buries it sooner than let his feline support crew
even
sniff it! No panting or excessive drinking - in fact all in all he's pretty
good.
Unfortunately before he was diagnosed we had his coat clipped (a No.2 I
think
they called it) as we thought it was heat that was causing a lot of his
problems. Now with Winter approaching we are trying everything to improve
it!
A lot of the suggested additives mentioned on this List are unavailable
downunder but we are trying an 'oil' mix suggested by our vet - Borage,
fish and
Evening Primrose 7.5ml daily. Has anyone else tried it? Kelly seems
to be
rather restless at night and we are wondering if this is causing it. We
have
to be very careful with his diet as he also has inflammatory bowel disease.
The oils do not seem to have caused any bowel problems though we have noticed
his stomach is making it's own music!!
Any input would be most appreciated....
Ann, John and Kelly Cooper and feline support team Oscar & Monty....
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:14:21 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Cushings and Epilepsy
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Is it hard to control Cushings when the dog also has epilepsy and is
on
Phenobarbital? C.B. hasn't received her latest results yet from her ACTH
test. My vet has her back on maintenance dose now even though the loading
dose hasn't done anything. Will let you know results. C.B. & Linda (
and 4
cats - Shamee, Santa Fe, Chip and Nugget)
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:27:32 -0400
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
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With all the discussions about staph and other infections apart from
Cushings, I am concerned about a recent problem with Bo. He is doing
well with Lysodren maintenance, but he just in the last couple of days
developed swelling and redness in one eyelid. We took him to the vet
today, and he didn't know what was causing it, but gave us an antibotic
and some ointment to treat it. We are relatively new with this vet, I
took Bo to a specialist for Cushings. I'm concerned that it may be or
develop into a staph thing, and hope someone can give me the signs to
watch out for.
There's another thing I'm concerned about, and I've talked about it
before. After he was first diagnosed and successfully treated with
Lysodren a little over a year ago (with some mishaps in between) Bo
seemed to make a remarkable recovery. He is still doing well, but there
are subtle and sometimes disturbing changes in his personality. He is
not demonstrative at all anymore, doesn't give kisses, doesn't make a
fuss over me, although he still follows me up the stairs to bed at
night, and he definitely recognizes and follows me at the dog park (a
wonderful place where people are allowed to let their dogs run free). He
interacts with the other dogs there to some extent, but he doesn't even
chase balls anymore - once his favorite pasttime. On the other hand, he
seems to love going to the park, as well as for walks in the woods. He
is eleven years old now, so it's hard to say how much is related to age.
Just when I get really worried, he'll surprise me by doing something
really funny, like this afternoon he got mad when he thought the big
dogs were bullying Gordie (the Gordon Setter pup we recently adopted) at
the park. Bo (who weighs less than 30 pounds) ran at the big dogs
barking furiously until they backed off of Gordie. Understand, Gordie
is now 11 months old and more than twice as large as Bo, so who needed
protection is a good question.
If any longtime Cushings owners could weigh in with their observations
(as well as any lurking vet folks) I'd appreciate it.
Thanks
Judy
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:42:26 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Hey!
Thanks for asking about our "Arthur"., He is doing wonderfully
on his new
diet and the Anipryl is doing the job! He has pretty much gone down to
normal
water consumption, and is sleeping almost all night every night without
potty
breaks. The constant panting has stopped and he is not quite as hungry all
the
time.
I think that part of his success with the Anipryl is the fact that he
was
diagnosed so early ....... I can honsestly say that of all the dogs I have
treated with Cushing's, his has been the lest complicated. Too bad the Anipryl
doesn't work for them all....
Lisa
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:44:53 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Jackie:
Arthur weighs about 46 lbs, but I am also giving MISSING LINK, so I reduced
the amount of vit e that I was giving to 200 mg.. It seems to be doing
the
trick, but the requirements for each would perhaps vary. I would go with
whatever your vet says and then get further advice if that doesn't seem
to be
doing the job.
Lisa
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:51:04 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: More pill camouflage
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The comment about cooking more for these dog s than we do for ourselves
stuck
a chord with me! I have been the proud mother of a dozen or so "chronic"
dogs
over the years ( current count is two....one Cushing's and one renal failure),
and often times my husband would go to the fridge, pull out a covered bowl
and
ask, "Can I eat this?". More times than not, the answer would
be ,"Sure, but
it is dog food." Now the dogs have their own shelf in the fridge and
their
stuff is all in covered pyrex dishes. Our stuff is stored in Ziplock bags
and
butter tubs!
My husband just shakes his head and says, " I guess I know who runs
this
household!"
Lisa
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:54:24 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Brittiany
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Tom,
If you put a few drops of vegetable oil in your feeding syringes after
you
wash them and work the plunger a few times to lubricate them it will help
you
get more uses out of them.
Lisa
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:05:37 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Missing Link
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LInda,
"Dry Water" is an actual food...it is freeze dried and has
veggies and chicken
and pasta and rice in it. You add hot water and it reconstitutes to a steamy
meal. It smells wonderful! ( I am thinking about trying to see if my husband
would eat it!)
I have found that some dogs don't care for it, though. My standard poodle
won't eat it, but the rest are just like a bunch of pyranas when they smell
it! It is sort of "spicy", so I would recommend mixing just
a bit with the
kibble for a few times before you give him the stuff straight.
Lisa
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:04:56 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Hiding Pills
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As a boarding kennel owner, I have many tricks for hiding pills for dogs.
My first attempt is with a soft, spreadable cheese (I'm from Wisconsin).
For the easy dogs, I use one small ball for each pill. For the hard cases,
I will give many small balls with the loaded one given at random. I make
a
game of treating the dogs get them to anticipate the cheese treats. For
the cheese haters, I use liver sausage and go thru the same routine as
above. For the extremely determined cases, I have a mortar and pestle and
grind up the pills and feed in canned food. I know about the delayed
action, etc., but some med is better than none. If even that doesn't work,
I have a pilling gun which is a slotted plastic tube with a plunger on it.
Pill goes in the slot, tube in the mouth and push the plunger to shoot the
pill to the back of the throat. A little margarine on the pill makes it
impossible for the dog to cough up. This works much easier than trying
to
hold open an unhappy dog's mouth to
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> From: Dillon Pyron <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
> Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 9:07 AM
>
> On Apr 14, 8:30pm, DLowder25 wrote:
> > Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
> > In a message dated 98-04-14 13:42:00 EDT, you write:
> >
> > << small_ amount of fat, with the pill (Ivan lived for his
peanut
butter)
> > might
> > help. We also gave the meds immediately after meals. >>
> >
> > This is what I've been doing; peanut butter or the veg oil just
with
the
> pill.
> > I didn't agree with the high fat diet either. Is vegetable oil
good or
bad
> > (just with the pill)?
> > Also, what are the signs of pancreatitis?
> > Thanks Debbie
> >-- End of excerpt from DLowder25
>
> The signs we noted (ex post facto) were lethergy (sound familiar?),
messy,
> "greasy" diarahea, apparent abdominal pain, reluctance to
eat or even
drink.
>
> The blood work was a much quicker indicator.
>
> I don't know if I mentioned it here or not, but Dr. Smith did a PM
on
Ivan. He
> had pancreatic cancer. I'll not question our choice again, as he had
at
most
> another week.
>
>
>
> --
> dillon pyron
> dillon.pyron@amd.com
> On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
> April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
> I think not!
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:07:13 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
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Linda,
Ask your vet about a new "food allergy food" called "Exclude".
Ihave used it
in a few cases where the dogs had CHRONIC ear infections and itchy skin..the
results were amazing!
Lisa
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:09:27 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Linda,
Staph is EVERYWHERE, but most don't have a problem with it because a
normal
immune system keeps it at bay. Our Cushing's dogs have a degree of immune
supression , so it is much easier for them to pick up infections and also
harder to get rid of them.......just another delightful facet of this disease!
Lisa
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:04:31 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: Cushings <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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I have a Golden Lab and I will no tomorrow if he has Cushing they found
he has Diebetes two weeks ago and we can not get him regulator and now
they think he has Cushing which caused the Cushing. Does anyone know of
any kind of food that I can prepare for him for his cushing and diebetes
he needs high fiber and he his now on perscription food and he doesn't
like it and he is so hungry all the time.
Sandy and Winchester
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:46:39 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Brittiany
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Judi,
In our note of 4/17 we said:
>"We puree one can of it in a food processor with 7/8 can of
hot water and
vitamins."<
We want to corect our measurements. It should read:
"We puree one 14 3/4 oz. can of it in a food processor with 7/8
*cup warm*
water and vitamins."
What you're looking for is a mixture that is the consistency of thick
pancake
batter, so that when you fill the syringe it won't drool out the tip at
the
same time.
We use a metal blade in the food processor; store unused portions
in the
refigerator and reheat in a double boiler or microwave when use to use again.
We throw out any leftovers at the end of the day and start with a fresh
can
each morning. We have other dogs in the house, and we've decided that it's
not
a good idea to give them any of the leftover prescription diet can food.
Don't know how much of this you really wanted. But, we sympathize
with you
and remember how desparate we felt in the beginning when we could not get
Clea
to eat and how we felt when she seemed to be wasting away before our own
eyes.
If any benefit can be gained from our personal experiences, we are glad
to help
out. Others have given excellent tips on how they coax their babies to
eat,
but since you're new to the forum, you may have missed those messages.
You
might to back and read some of the past Cushings Digests (ask Leslie) and
see
if there is anything there that might be of interest to Brittiany.
Find comfort in knowing that you have a lot of friends out here who
care and
many have been through exactly the same thing you are going through now.
We
all have had and will have our differences of opinion about things, but
know
for sure that in spite of that, no one is left feeling abandoned. We can
all
help to guide you around some of the well-worn deeper ruts in the road.
Cheers and Bon Apetit to Brittiany!
Maria
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:46:58 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Hi Downunder from Dallas, Texas. Isn't this cool!!
My lab, Rosie's loading dose on Lysodren was 500 mg 2 times a day. Also,
diarrehea is a side effect of Lysodren. Could they be related? Good luck!
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:56:34 EDT
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Good luck to Linda and C.B. Rosie and I will keep our paws crossed for
you
both.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:33:05 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
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Which prescription diet have you tried???Hills or CNM Purina....I find
the
latter called DCO much more appealing and acceptable to my patients.
M. Brownstein DVM
http://www.petsandvets.com
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:41:52 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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M. Brownstein DVM thank you now I am using Hills the w/d and he is so
hungry and can only have two cans a day and he still does care for it
and I am beginning to worry that he is going to get worst if he does not
eat. That you I will try DCO and see if he will eat that, I take for
granted this is a food sold at the vets and that it is find for diebetes
and Cushings because he has both and I am worrying myself to death not
begin able to regulate his insulin or him not wanting to eat. Again
Thank You.
Sandra Johnson
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:46:18 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Sandy and Winchester:
I too have a Yellow lab, Rosie who has Cushings and Diabetes. At this
point,
we are not so sure that the Cushings has not created the Diabetes. Good
luck
on your testing for Cushings. Rosie was diagnosed the first of March and
hopefully next week will go on maintenance medication for Cushings. Also,
I
have been able to decrease her insulin by four units since Friday. So
independence may be possible. I feed Rosie Hill's Canine W/D dry and have
for
over a year trying to help her lose weight. After her diagnosis she was
not
feeling well and didn't eat good. I added chicken broth at first to her
dry
food then when she wouldn't eat that anymore I went to canned W/D and mix
it
with her dry food. I think it was starting her on insulin that enabled
her to
feel better and eat. Good luck, hope this helps.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:08:33 EDT
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M Brownstein DVM
I have not tried the Purina CNM, but Rosie loves the Hill's W/D canned.
It
has been a lifesaver for us.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:39:20 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Sandra:
Hi, I am Judy and my lab, Rosie, has both Cushings and Diabetes at least
right
now. If there is anything I can do to help you get through this just let
me
know. Rosie was diagnosed March, 98.
I now monitor this Cushings list and have learned about another list
just
recently "Muffin" e-mail list for owners of diabetic animals,
including some
who have dogs with both diabetes and cushings like us. I think you could
gain
from joining us.
If you are interested it is: Majordomo@majordomo.escsoft.com, no subject
line, and (in the body of the message) write Subscribe Muffin and your name.
Good luck! If you have any questions, contact me off-line at DFRS2@aol.com.
Judy and Rosie (12 years old)
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:28:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Dudley Cushings
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Hi Jan-
First, I have to say your return address catches me off guard every time
I
see it--I have a colleague whose name is Bob Glover, and I wonder each and
every time you post a message, what in the world is Bob doing sending me
a
message about Cushings?! ;-)
Regarding Dudley's latest tests: we too got an ambiguous result on the
low dex test. Our vet thought that, coupled with Melissa's symptoms,
was enough to warrant an ultrasound to rule out an adrenal tumor. Sure
enough, no adrenal tumors were found and so soon thereafter we started
Missy on Lysodren.
Hope Dudley's leg is better soon!
-Leslie
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Robert Glover wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I took Dudley back to the vet this last Friday for another Low Dose
> Dexamenthasone Sup. test. This is the same 8 hour blood draw as they
did
> last Friday except they gave him sterioids first.
>
> He came back from the vet with his left front leg swollen twice the
size
> as the right. I guess they had trouble stopping his bleeding after
one of
> the blood draws so they put a tight bandage on him. The swelling has
gone
> down quite a bit except for the joint just above his foot, it's still
pretty
> puffy. It doesn't seem to bother him but I'm still not letting him
run
> like he like too, (Dudley's a greyhound).
>
> Anyway this test was suppose to let the vet know if the Cushings is
pituitary
> related or adreanal. The vet called today when I was gone and talked
to my
> son (13) who sometimes doesn't take good messages. My son told me
that the
> vet said the tests didn't show anything. Now I'm confused. Has anyone
had
> anything like this happen? I'm wondering what the next step is. He's
suppose
> to call me next week and talk to me.
>
> Thanks for listening. Jan G. Seattle, WA
>
>
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:46:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: More pill camouflage
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Separate fridge shelves and stuffing pasta shells!?! The extent we'll
go
to for our dogs is so very funny and heartwarming. One key detail I
didn't mention in my Missy-catering story is that my hubby and I are
vegetarian. I had never even cooked chicken until our baby Melissa got
sick!
Oh how I miss her. She will have been gone seven months this next
Thursday...
Hug your babies and yourselves for me. Each of you are such strong,
loving, admirable people. I'm so proud to be part of such a courageous
and compassionate group.
Mushily ;-)
-Leslie
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:08:33 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: More pill camouflage
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Leslie,
It doesn't get easier with time does it? I lost the "love of my
life" pup
last November to hepatic encephalopathy due to a porto-systemic shunt.
That
is a congenital defect of the vessels in the liver. She was abandoned at
our
Emergency clinic at 6 months of age because of recurrent hypoglycemia (
she
was 2 lbs at the time- a "malti-poo). I took her home and after lots
of lab
work and a trip to the veterinary teaching hospital, she was diagnosed with
this shunt and I was told she would live about 6 more months or so. Well,
8
long years later she finally had to go on to a higher place. The day that
I
helped her go was not the worst day by far....The days that followed were
fo
rme much worse. I think that my training as a vet has taught me to stop
the
emotion at will sometimes so that it is possible to go thru with the actual
mechanics of the whole thing. The days that followed were much worse for
me.
I still dream about her almost nightly and am often moved to tears at the
thought of her.
Anyway, I guess we all have the "one" in our lives even though
we love them
all. I adore dear Arthur, Jesse,Lily, Ellie Mae, Annabelle, and Elmo......but
"Shu-shu" was my all time darling.
Oh well...I don't know where all that came from, guess I needed to say it.
Lisa