CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 31

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: Food
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
2) Re: Brittiany
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
3) Re: Here We Go Again!
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
4) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
5) Something happy
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
6) Re: Here We Go Again!
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
7) anipryl/diabetes & water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
8) Winchester
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
9) Arthur
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
10) Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
11) Penny
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
12) Electronic Hug
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
13) Re: Here We Go Again!
by "Kathleen J. Spradlin-Miller" <kmiller@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>
14) more additions to the Cushing's Gallery
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
15) Feature on diabetes
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
16) Re: Mollie Bear
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
17) FWD from kathleen: Cushings and Moving
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
18) Re: Cushing's and Moving
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
19) Re: Staph
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
20) Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
21) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
22) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
23) Re: Something happy
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
24) Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
25) positive & negative
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
26) Re: positive & negative
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
27) Re: Penny
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
28) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
29) Winchester
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
30) Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
31) Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
32) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
33) Re: Winchester
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
34) Missing Link
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
35) Something Happy
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
36) Re: Arthur
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
37) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
38) Re: Feature on diabetes
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
39) Re: Missing Link
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
40) Downunder Query
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
41) Re: Winchester
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
42) Re: Tea Tree Oil
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
43) Missing Link
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
44) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
45) Re: Tea Tree Oil
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
46) Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
47) Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
48) Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
49) Re: Winchester
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
50) Re: Winchester
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
51) Fwd: [MUFFIN] Muffin invitation
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
52) Re: Greyhound
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
53) Re: hilbro: Re: Cushings and Diabetes
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
54) Re: Tea Tree Oil
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
55) Chronic Renal Failure
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
56) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
57) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
58) Re: Chronic Renal Failure
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
59) Re: Fwd: [MUFFIN] Muffin invitation
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
60) DFRS2 Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
61) Re: Winchester
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
62) Re: Winchester
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
63) anipryl & ACTH stimulation test
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
64) Re: Chronic Renal Failure
by floyd@zianet.com
65) Cushings: Thanks
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
66) Something happy
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
67) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
68) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
69) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
70) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
71) Ear Infections
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
72) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
73) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
74) Mollie Bear Update
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
75) tea tree oil
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
76) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
77) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
78) Re: [MUFFIN] Muffin invitation
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
79) Re: DFRS2 Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
80) Re: Ear Infections
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
81) Rosie Update
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
82) Ear Infections/Tubes
by SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
83) Re: Mollie Bear Update
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
84) Infections
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
85) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
86) Unscribe
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
87) Re: Ear Infections
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
88) Disease versus Our Babies
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
89) Shu-Shu
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
90) How to clarify diagnosis
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
91) North Dakota
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
92) Re: How to clarify diagnosis
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
93) Re: How to clarify diagnosis
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
94) Re: Disease versus Our Babies
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
95) FWD from Rigsby's mom....
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
96) Diagnosis
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
97) Infections
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
98) BUBBA AND ME
by Oberaw <Oberaw@aol.com>
99) Bubba and Me
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
100) Re: Shu-Shu
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
101) Re: FWD from Rigsby's mom....
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
102) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by scott <scott@adams.net>
103) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
104) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
105) Re: Mollie Bear Update
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
106) "episode"
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
107) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
108) Re[2]: BUBBA AND ME
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
109) Re[2]: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
110) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
111) Re: FWD from Rigsby's mom (recipe)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
112) Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
113) Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
114) Arthur
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
115) I'll be back
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
116) Re: Arthur
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
117) Alternative vets
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
118) Ear Infections
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
119) Arthur
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
120) Episode
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
121) Anipryl
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
122) Hypothyroidism
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
123) Me Again!
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
124) Soloxine
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
125) Moaning
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
126) Bo is having crisis
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
127) Re: Hypothyroidism
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
128) Re: Arthur
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
129) Soloxine
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
130) Moaning
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
131) Re: Moaning
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
132) Re: Moaning
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
133) Re: Moaning
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
134) Re: Anipryl
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
135) Re. moaning
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
136) Re: Moaning
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
137) Re: Ear Infections
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
138) Re: Arthur
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
139) Re: Me Again!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
140) Re: Moaning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
141) Bo
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
142) Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
143) Re: aniipryl hotline
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
144) Thyroid Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
145) Re: Hypothyroidism
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
146) HELP !!
by "Troy wilson" <supertroy@hotmail.com>
147) Re: Hypothyroidism
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
148) Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
149) Re: Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
150) Re: Hypothyroidism
by Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
151) Re: Bo
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
152) Re: Bo
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
153) Re: Hypothyroidism
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
154) Thyroid Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
155) Thyroid
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
156) Thyroid Pills
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
157) Re: Hypothyroidism
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
158) Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
159) Re: Moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
160) Re: Me Again!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
161) Acupuncture (Was:Re: Hypothyroidism)
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
162) Pepto Bismo (Was: Re: Bo)
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
163) Re: Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
164) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
165) Re: How to clarify diagnosis
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
166) Re: Arthur
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
167) Re: Diagnosis
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
168) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
169) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
170) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
171) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
172) Re: Bo
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
173) Re: Pepto Bismo (Was: Re: Bo)
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
174) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
175) Re: Me Again!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
176) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
177) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
178) Re: Moaning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
179) Re: Mollie Bear Update
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
180) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
181) Re: Me Again!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
182) Rubber Band
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
183) Bad morning for Rosie
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
184) Loading Phase
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
185) Bad Morning
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
186) Acupuncture/Lasers, etc (Was: Re: Hypothyroidism)
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
187) Re: Bad Morning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
188) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by RitaSwim <RitaSwim@aol.com>
189) Re: Moaning
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
190) ~DC~ beautiful day
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
191) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by scott <scott@adams.net>
192) Re: Moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
193) Re: Bad Morning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
194) Bad Morning
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
195) Re: Re. moaning
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
196) Re: Re. moaning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
197) Re: Bad Morning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
198) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
199) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
200) Re: Bad Morning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
201) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
202) Re: Hypothyroidism
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
203) Re: Bad Morning & a Heavy Dose
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
204) Recipe for Dog Biscuits
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
205) Re: Bad Morning
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
206) Re: Re. moaning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
207) Re: Bad Morning & a Heavy Dose
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
208) Re: Bad Morning
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
209) Re: Re. moaning
by floyd@zianet.com
210) Bad Breath
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
211) Boomer starts Cushings Treatment
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
212) Re: Bad morning & bad breath
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
213) Addison's Disease
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
214) Re: Bad Morning
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
215) Glucose testing
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
216) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
217) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
218) Re: Bad Breath
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
219) Re: Bad Breath
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
220) Re: Boomer starts Cushings Treatment
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
221) Re: Addison's Disease
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
222) Bo
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
223) Chronic Renal Failure
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
224) Re: Boomer starts Cushings Treatment
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
225) Penny
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
226) Re: Glucose testing
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
227) Re: Bo
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
228) Bad Breath
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
229) Bad Breath
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
230) Re: Glucose testing
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
231) Re: Bad Breath
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
232) bad weekend
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
233) Bad Breath
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:34:19 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Food
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>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:38:16 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Food
>
>
>Our Sunny is on Hill's R/D which I understand is all fiber and water, she
was on
>W/D briefly and has also been on K/D. R/D however, is truly fiber and
water if
>you read the contents of the can. Also, Hill's Consumer Info Center told us
>that it is basically 95% water and the rest is fiber. She was put on it to
lose
>weight, and I believe she has lost some, if only a little, but now we are
having
>the problem of not wanting it anymore -- possibly due to the taste. We have
>even began to **DOCTOR IT** a little. We add low fat cheese (only enough
to add
>some taste); low sodium, no fat chicken, beef or vegetable broth; low
sodium, no
>fat vegetable soup; or basically, anything that will no *hurt* our baby, but
>still get her to eat her food. \\
>
>Randy, Jackie, Sunny, and Saphir (Cat Sister)
>
>______________________________ Forward Header
__________________________________
>Subject: Re: Food
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 4/19/98 3:41 PM
>
>
>M. Brownstein DVM thank you now I am using Hills the w/d and he is so
>hungry and can only have two cans a day and he still does care for it
>and I am beginning to worry that he is going to get worst if he does not
>eat. That you I will try DCO and see if he will eat that, I take for
>granted this is a food sold at the vets and that it is find for diebetes
>and Cushings because he has both and I am worrying myself to death not
>begin able to regulate his insulin or him not wanting to eat. Again
>Thank You.
>
>Sandra Johnson
>
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Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:36:11 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Brittiany
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>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:39:39 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Brittiany
>
>
> Isn't Oil *fattening*?
>
> Randy (Sunny's Dad)
>
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>
>Tom,
>
>If you put a few drops of vegetable oil in your feeding syringes after you
>wash them and work the plunger a few times to lubricate them it will help you
>get more uses out of them.
>
>Lisa
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:37:09 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
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>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:29:57 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
>
>
> Once again I read a horror. Is the cream you were provided for your
> babies eyes a *nonsteroidal* cream or does it have cortizone in it?
> If the cream has cortizone in it as some do, then it is possible you
> are hurting your baby instead of helping. Our vet at Auburn told us
> to make sure we never, **never** use a cream that has cortizone or any
> type of steriod in it. I am hoping your vet remembered this as well,
> please tell me it is so.
>
> Our Sunny had an eye disease of which no one in our area had ever seen
> before, so we had to trek to Birmingham -- 100 miles south to a
> Veterinarian Eye Specialist. She had never seen it before either, but
> published a paper on it after treating Sunny. She presented the paper
> at a huge conference. Anyway, my main point is is there an eye
> specialist in your area perhaps?!
>
> Keep Bo getting better and I hope his eye problem gets straightened
> out soon. Love from Sunny, Randy (Daddy), Jackie (Mummy) and Saphir
> (Cat Sister).
>
>
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>Author: jhart@cynet.net at Internet
>Date: 4/19/98 12:27 AM
>
>
>With all the discussions about staph and other infections apart from
>Cushings, I am concerned about a recent problem with Bo. He is doing
>well with Lysodren maintenance, but he just in the last couple of days
>developed swelling and redness in one eyelid. We took him to the vet
>today, and he didn't know what was causing it, but gave us an antibotic
>and some ointment to treat it. We are relatively new with this vet, I
>took Bo to a specialist for Cushings. I'm concerned that it may be or
>develop into a staph thing, and hope someone can give me the signs to
>watch out for.
>
>There's another thing I'm concerned about, and I've talked about it
>before. After he was first diagnosed and successfully treated with
>Lysodren a little over a year ago (with some mishaps in between) Bo
>seemed to make a remarkable recovery. He is still doing well, but there
>are subtle and sometimes disturbing changes in his personality. He is
>not demonstrative at all anymore, doesn't give kisses, doesn't make a
>fuss over me, although he still follows me up the stairs to bed at
>night, and he definitely recognizes and follows me at the dog park (a
>wonderful place where people are allowed to let their dogs run free). He
>interacts with the other dogs there to some extent, but he doesn't even
>chase balls anymore - once his favorite pasttime. On the other hand, he
>seems to love going to the park, as well as for walks in the woods. He
>is eleven years old now, so it's hard to say how much is related to age.
>
>Just when I get really worried, he'll surprise me by doing something
>really funny, like this afternoon he got mad when he thought the big
>dogs were bullying Gordie (the Gordon Setter pup we recently adopted) at
>the park. Bo (who weighs less than 30 pounds) ran at the big dogs
>barking furiously until they backed off of Gordie. Understand, Gordie
>is now 11 months old and more than twice as large as Bo, so who needed
>protection is a good question.
>
>If any longtime Cushings owners could weigh in with their observations
>(as well as any lurking vet folks) I'd appreciate it.
>
>Thanks
>Judy
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:58:28 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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I'll try to answer a few of your questions as best I can.

Knowing the form of the disorder helps in treatment. Some medications are
better suited for one form vs another. And surgery is somewhat of an option
for adreneal.

Some of the pups you will read about are more severely affected because they
might have gone longer before being diagnosed than others. Also, I think, the
disorder has varying degrees of severity. You'll find everyone here trying
their hardest, and we all pull for each other.

Finallly, again, it depends on when the Cushings was diagnosed. We were able
to "retrospectively" diagnose Ivan and say that he started showing signs and
symptoms in early 1994. When he was diagnosed (in late 1994), our vet gave him
6 to 9 months. I'd say he lived a wonderful life in spite of his disease.

I hope this helps you feel a little more comfortable.

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:02:46 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Something happy
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We visited with our future puppy Sunday. A litter of six little Corgis, seven
weeks old today. All too cute to be believed. And there is nothing quite as
relaxing as holding a sleeping puppy.

We are looking forward to picking him up on Mother's Day.

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:10:16 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
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You'll find staph on your own body. It's only by virtue of our immune system
that we don't develop regular staph infections. Same thing with the dogs.
This is also why immune comprimised individuals (humans or dogs) have to be
extra careful about cuts & scrapes.

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:17:51 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: anipryl/diabetes & water
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After Gretle was on anipryl for about 6 weeks without receiving insulin =
for diabetes in 400 BG range, she cut down on water consumption =
dramatically, My question is since the excess water intake helps =
eliminate the glucose, is it harmful to the dog when her BG is high and =
water consumption stays low? This was Gretle"s first week on insulin, =
and I hope the BG will get lower as we get her stabilized but for now, I =
would think she should have a greater water intake. I am using =
dipsticks to test so I do not have a good handle on the average BG but =
do know her water intake was low when her actual reading was almost 400.
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:19:49 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: Cushings <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Winchester
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I am sitting here waiting to hear the results of Winchester's Cushing
test...I was wondering about three weeks ago he cut his hind leg and it
was just a small cut but I couldn't get it to stop bleeding, he even
bleed through heavy bandages. He was diagnose with diabetes two weeks
ago and now they think he has Cushings also would Cushing cause him to
bleed like that, the waiting over the weekend has been awful and he
bottom out Saturday we have not been able to regulate his insulin and I
think that is one reason that they believe he has Cushing.

Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:22:59 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Arthur
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Lisa,

Excellent news that Arthur is doing so well!!

When you say he was diagnosed early was that through positive readings on
tests or was he showing "Pre-Cushings" signs, symptoms, and because of your
experience you just knew he had it?
We're still monitoring Timmy and Little Rosti with our vet (she's super!),
but we'd also be interested to know how others catch this terrible disease
early while their dogs are still strong.
Thanks.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:26:36 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Cheste I have the same questions about Winchester...he isn't drinking
water like he was when they diagnose him with diabetes and his glucose
is in the high 400's I give him 20cc twice a day and that is not enother
and 30 is to much he bottom outs but they haven't try 25 but I wonder
why he is not drinking large amount of water.
Sandy

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:24:55 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Penny
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Toni,

Do you own a litter or an animal rescue shelter? Who are Brandy, Bridget,
Duffy, Georgie, Bo and Gabe? And is Penny doing okay now?

Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:28:06 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Electronic Hug
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Kathleen,

Thanks so much for your electronic hug. We needed it, and grabbed it
right up!

Electronic hugs back to you, and thanks for staying with us, especially
after the pain you have been through with the loss of Ebony. It wouldn't be a
real family without you!!!

And special little electronic hugs to Loki, too (one really lucky dog).
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:34:10 CST
From: "Kathleen J. Spradlin-Miller" <kmiller@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
Message-ID: <452BB665BB@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>

Hello Everyone!

I thought this would interest some of you. Sunday's
Birmingham News reported that Friskies Pet Products was donating
$90,000 worth of dog and cat food for the pets displaced by the
tornado here. The local humane society is currently housing the
animals, and trying to find their original owners.

Sometimes we do hear of some good news.

Jean

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:50:25 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: more additions to the Cushing's Gallery
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The adorable Kelly and Vincent have been added--finally ;-)--to the
Cushing's Gallery. Do check out their very sweet faces at
<http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html>

Also, Terrible Ted's folks have added the *great* story of how TT got his
name. You can access it by clicking on Ted's picture on the gallery page.

-Leslie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:56:35 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Feature on diabetes
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FYI to those of you with Diabetic/Cushinoid pups:

One of the features this week on http://vetmedicine.miningco.com is canine
diabetes.

-Leslie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:30:40 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Yea for Arthur! Keep up the good work, you strong boy.

 

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April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:35:48 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: FWD from kathleen: Cushings and Moving
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>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
>Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
>
>ND is North Dakota? If so, what city are you in? :)
>
>At 11:34 AM 4/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi Patty,
>>
>>Muffin has had the low-dose dex test twice (4hr test at local vet and 8hr
>test at U of MN vet
>>teaching hosp) now and both have come back borderline. She's not showing
>any outward
>>symptoms of Cushing's, and since the blood work is borderline, they don't
>want to start
>>treatment on her. So, she's doesn't really have Cushing's yet, but they
>think she'll develop
>>it in the future. I'd like to do everything I can to keep that diagnosis
>as far in the
>>future as possible.
>>
>>I'm glad to hear your furbaby has reached maintainance. I hope things go
>well from here on
>>out.
>>
>>I'm moving from ND to CA soon and was wondering if anyone has any
>suggestions on finding a
>>new vet. Should I call around and ask what their experience in treating
>Cushinoid dogs is?
>>
>>Wendy & Muffin
>>
>>Daniel Klein wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Wendy, I have just (hopefully) gotten my dog into the "maintenance"
>stage of using
>>> Lysodren. It has been a grim two mos. His weight went from 29 lbs. to
>42!!! He has now
>>> taken off a couple of lbs. What is "pre-Cushings"? I am trying to learn
>all that I
>>> can. Love to your dogs,
>>>
>>> Patty
>>>
>>> Wendy wrote:
>>>
>>> > Since Muffin is pre-Cushings and has liver problems, so I'd love to
>start her on
>>> > supplements, but what dosages should I use on a 14.5 lb dog who's
>supposed to be 12
>>> > lbs? Any ideas out there? Muffin already has "debris" in her bladder
>and some
>>> > mineralization of the kidneys according to the u/s. I'd like to do
>whatever possible
>>> > to help her.
>>> >
>>> > Wendy and Muffin.
>>> >
>>> > HD Bliley wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I recommend that you start the 'pre-Cushings' on VitC to acidify the
>urine, and
>>> > > bolster the immune system, also Vit B complex for possible liver
>complications.
>>> > > Both are safe.
>>> > >
>>> > > Henry Bliley
>>> > >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>--
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~
> -dire straits
>kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:01:50 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Cushing's and Moving
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Hi Kathleen,

Yes, ND is North Dakota. I'm in Grand Forks, the town that was flooded
out a year ago. We lost one of our vets because of the flood. She
moved south. We're moving to Edwards AFB in So. Calif., and it's going
to be a long drive. Anyone out there with experience and suggestions?

Wendy & Muffin

>From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
>Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
>
>ND is North Dakota? If so, what city are you in? :)
>
>At 11:34 AM 4/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi Patty,
>>
>>Muffin has had the low-dose dex test twice (4hr test at local vet and
8hr
>>test at U of MN vet teaching hosp) now and both have come back
borderline. She's >>not showing any outward symptoms of Cushing's, and
since the blood work is >>borderline, they don't want to start treatment
on her. So, she's doesn't really have >>Cushing's yet, but they think
she'll develop it in the future. I'd like to do everything I >>can to
keep that diagnosis as far in the future as possible.

>>
>>I'm moving from ND to CA soon and was wondering if anyone has any
>suggestions on finding a
>>new vet. Should I call around and ask what their experience in
treating
>Cushinoid dogs is?
>>

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:45:15 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Staph
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Hi, Linda. His poor feet! Tea tree oil is getting common, even a big
drugstore might have it. It's great stuff.

Also, I know that the skin on my nails cracks if my hands are in water too
much, maybe cut down on the soakings? I know, you can't win, it seems like
sometimes.

He's probably not picking up the staph anyplace, it literally is
everywhere, and he probably has it systemically (as do I, probably). So I
wouldn't worry about where he walks. Good luck with it.

Susan

At 06:14 PM 4/18/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Susan...
>
>The staph infection is the skin in between his pads. At the moment, we
>wash/soak his feet in Domeboro solution, dry his feet off and then apply
>Bactoderm. Schonus is also on Keflex for it. He goes for four walks a
>day but the only thing is he hasn't walked any place new. His pads are
>starting to crack real bad so I've started applying Vitamin E oil as
>well. The only time he licks his paws is when the infection is back and
>that's how I know other than periodic checks. My Vet also recommended
>Icthamol ointment.
>

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:49:02 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
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Yes, I had the same thing happen to me. Four tests, one month, and the vet
insisted they needed to keep doing more, when my dog had every symptom.
They told me the next steps were another test, sonogram then exploratory
surgery. I went to another vet who agreed to start treating. That was my
decision cause I just wanted treatment. My dog is now improved somewhat.
It's very frustrating.

>Hi All,
>
>I took Dudley back to the vet this last Friday for another Low Dose
>Dexamenthasone Sup. test. This is the same 8 hour blood draw as they did
>last Friday except they gave him sterioids first.
>
>He came back from the vet with his left front leg swollen twice the size
>as the right. I guess they had trouble stopping his bleeding after one of
>the blood draws so they put a tight bandage on him. The swelling has gone
>down quite a bit except for the joint just above his foot, it's still pretty
>puffy. It doesn't seem to bother him but I'm still not letting him run
>like he like too, (Dudley's a greyhound).
>
>Anyway this test was suppose to let the vet know if the Cushings is pituitary
>related or adreanal. The vet called today when I was gone and talked to my
>son (13) who sometimes doesn't take good messages. My son told me that the
>vet said the tests didn't show anything. Now I'm confused. Has anyone had
>anything like this happen? I'm wondering what the next step is. He's
suppose
>to call me next week and talk to me.
>
>Thanks for listening. Jan G. Seattle, WA
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:21:36 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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Hi Liza-

Welcome to our "family"!

I'll take a stab at some of your questions, based mostly on my own
experience with our little Melissa.

>1. Why do they need to know the difference? Isn't the treatment the
>same?

Not necessarily. If the Cushing's is adrenal in origin (the cause of only
~15% of cases), the tumor causing the excessive cortisol production can
often be surgically removed. Pituitary tumors (which cause ~85% of all
cases of Cushing's) are typically treated with one of three medications, 1)
Lysodren, which destroys parts of the adrenal glands so that they produce
less coritsol; this drug has a relatively high success rate but is pretty
harsh stuff; 2) Anipryl, which, according to the manufacturer, promotes
normalization of dopamine metabolism, thereby improving
hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis regulation. (Cushing's occurs when the
HPA axis is out of whack--stay tuned for the graphic of this system that I
hope to have posted to the web page soon.) The treatment success rate for
Anipryl is not as good as with Lysodren; and 3) Ketaconazole which also
works on the adrenal side of the equation, but I don't remember exactly
how (I'll follow up with the answer as soon as I dig it out).

>2. Treatment: We haven't started it yet, but I understand it is just
>medication he will take for the rest of his life? Is that all?

The answer to this question depends on your treatment option. If the
source of Boomer's Cushing's is pituitary and you decide to use Lysodren,
he'll probably require meds and bloodwork regularly for the rest of his life.

>3. How soon after treatment begins should we see any changes, and what
>changes can I expect to see?

Again, if you use Lysodren to treat Boomer, you'll go through a "loading
dose", a hefty, daily dose of the drug. You'll probably see a reduction in
Boomer's appetite and thirst within 6-9 days of beginning the loading dose.
As I recall, many--but certainly not all--folks see renewed hair growth
and behavior approaching normalcy within a few weeks of going on the
maintenance therapy (typically a once or twice a week dosage) with Lysodren.

>4. Here's the one that really scares me....is Boomer's life going to be
>significantly shortened because of this?

I've seen the life expectancy of Cushinoid dogs noted in the literature as
averaging 24 months past diagnosis, but, of course, Boomer's life
expectancy will depend more on factors such as how early he was diagnosed,
how well he responds to treatment, what other health problems he has, etc.
You'll see from a quick look at our gallery, that we run the spectrum in
life expectancies, with some dogs like my Melissa succumbing pretty
quickly, to others like little Ivan living with the disease for almost four
years!

>I get the feeling that many of your furbabies are really sick or don't
>eat much? Are all Cushing's dogs really sick and don't eat much?

We had a terrible time getting our little girl to eat, but she'd always had
a weak appetite. I've heard the same from others, too, but it seems that
the majority of the pups still have decent appetites.

> Boomer doesn't seem
>sick, he's just bald, hungry, thirsty and has to pee a lot. Is he gonna
>get worse? It is my understanding the with medication he will get
>better.

Treatment should help those symptoms abate. Even in the very short time
Missy lived with the disease after treatment, we saw hair growth and a
reduction in her drinking.

I hope that these answers help, Liza. Thanks for posting them. They'll
make a great contribution to the currently-being-produced FAQ page.

Look for it, a transcribed article on treating pituitary-dependent
Cushing's, and notes from a Scottie seminar on Cushing's (thanks Doreen!)
to be on the web page sometime soon.

-Leslie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:33:06 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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One positive aspect on life expectancy. Ivan saw our vet at least four times a
year, and we were, I think, more tuned into his needs. As a result, we caught
his spleen before it killed him, and kept most of his problems under control.

 

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:34:48 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Dillon --

I'm incredibly happy for you! We never forget or stop missing the pets we've
lost, but people like us need to have another, and they need to have us! If
you don't give love, you don't get love...

Lois

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:36:31 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
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In a message dated 98-04-20 13:03:20 EDT, hautlynx@sirius.com writes:

<< Anyway this test was suppose to let the vet know if the Cushings is
pituitary
>related or adreanal. >>
A low dose dex test does not differentiate pituitaryt vs adrenal based
Cushings disease. Only a high does dex test does. Another good screening
test (such as the low dose dex test) is a urine cortisol creatinine ratio.

In many cases, Cushingnoid dogs will have normal low dose dex test and the
next step (if all clinical and biochemical signs are there) is often the high
dose test.

Hope this helps,
M. Brownstein DVM
http://www.petsandvets

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:51:03 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: positive & negative
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Dillon - the tears came when I read of the joy of holding your new baby - and
I'm sure Ivan will be keeping an eye on things from above. Hugs and best
wishes from down under......
I didn't receive any input from anyone on the borage/fish/evening primrose oil
that we are trying with Kelly to hopefully give him a reasonable covering for
Winter so I assume it's not something that anyone has experience of. But can
someone tell me what we could do to help Kelly's stiffness. We're not sure if
it is arthritis or muscle scarring or damage from the attack but sometimes he
has 2-3 attempts before he can get up. It's only since he was on Lysodren that
it has became very noticeable so it could be the reduction in cortison in his
system causing the problem. We're not sure if he is in pain or not - he has
always been one of those very stoical males except when one of his feline
support crew bat him when they walk past. The vet often comments on how
incredibly good he was through all the treatment he had. Is flaxseed oil an
option?
I find living with a cushingoid pet a bit like being on a roller coast - never
sure when the highs or lows are coming. Without this list I doubt if we could
cope as well as we 'hope' we are. It is pretty lonely down here as apart from
my vet there is no-one else we know who has these problems with their baby.....
So many many thanks to everyone for their sharing.
Ann, John & Kelly (who is rapt to be an Internet star )

janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:47:41 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: positive & negative
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An option to consider for the aches and pains of joints is something like
Cosequin, Cartiflex or glycosamine sulfate. Talk with your vet about these, I
think you have access to the glycosamine sulfate, not sure about the others.

 

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:49:19 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Penny
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>Toni,
>
> Do you own a litter or an animal rescue shelter? Who are Brandy,
>Bridget,
>Duffy, Georgie, Bo and Gabe? And is Penny doing okay now?
>
>Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
>trw@virginia.edu

Hi!
I guess I should go through the introductions. I forgot about that here.
Brandy was my first dachshund who died 1 year ago yesterday at the age of
14 years after having her teeth cleaned. Bridget is 13 and is from the same
pair of dachshunds that Brandy came from. Duffy is the only son of Bridget
and is 9 years old. Penny is Duffy's mate and is our Cushing's dog who
will be 8 on May 6. Georgie is from the first litter that Penny and Duffy
had with us and just turned 3. She is Gabe's mother. Gabe is 8 months old
and the terror of our house. He keeps Penny going all the time. Bo is from
Duffy and Penny too and is 2 years old.
It does look like we are running a rescue shelter doesn't it with 6 dogs in
the house. We do not have children, so we have the 4 legged babies.
Penny had a big setback last week when we had to take her off her annipryl
for a week and give her coritsone to help her come back to us. She was
looking pretty bad. She is on half of her old annipryl dose now and doing
pretty well. She walks away from the water dish now where we had to holler
at her to stop drinking so much. She even leaves food in her dish where she
would push the others away from their food dishes to eat theirs after she
finished hers.
Thanks for reminding me to introduce my kids.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:57:41 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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>Hi Liza-
>
>Welcome to our "family"!
>
>I'll take a stab at some of your questions, based mostly on my own
>experience with our little Melissa.
>
>>1. Why do they need to know the difference? Isn't the treatment the
>>same?
>
>Not necessarily. If the Cushing's is adrenal in origin (the cause of only
>~15% of cases), the tumor causing the excessive cortisol production can
>often be surgically removed. Pituitary tumors (which cause ~85% of all
>cases of Cushing's) are typically treated with one of three medications, 1)
>Lysodren, which destroys parts of the adrenal glands so that they produce
>less coritsol; this drug has a relatively high success rate but is pretty
>harsh stuff; 2) Anipryl, which, according to the manufacturer, promotes
>normalization of dopamine metabolism, thereby improving
>hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis regulation. (Cushing's occurs when the
>HPA axis is out of whack--stay tuned for the graphic of this system that I
>hope to have posted to the web page soon.) The treatment success rate for
>Anipryl is not as good as with Lysodren; and 3) Ketaconazole which also
>works on the adrenal side of the equation, but I don't remember exactly
>how (I'll follow up with the answer as soon as I dig it out).
>
>>2. Treatment: We haven't started it yet, but I understand it is just
>>medication he will take for the rest of his life? Is that all?
>
>The answer to this question depends on your treatment option. If the
>source of Boomer's Cushing's is pituitary and you decide to use Lysodren,
>he'll probably require meds and bloodwork regularly for the rest of his life.
>
>>3. How soon after treatment begins should we see any changes, and what
>>changes can I expect to see?
>
>Again, if you use Lysodren to treat Boomer, you'll go through a "loading
>dose", a hefty, daily dose of the drug. You'll probably see a reduction in
>Boomer's appetite and thirst within 6-9 days of beginning the loading dose.
> As I recall, many--but certainly not all--folks see renewed hair growth
>and behavior approaching normalcy within a few weeks of going on the
>maintenance therapy (typically a once or twice a week dosage) with Lysodren.
>
>>4. Here's the one that really scares me....is Boomer's life going to be
>>significantly shortened because of this?
>
>I've seen the life expectancy of Cushinoid dogs noted in the literature as
>averaging 24 months past diagnosis, but, of course, Boomer's life
>expectancy will depend more on factors such as how early he was diagnosed,
>how well he responds to treatment, what other health problems he has, etc.
>You'll see from a quick look at our gallery, that we run the spectrum in
>life expectancies, with some dogs like my Melissa succumbing pretty
>quickly, to others like little Ivan living with the disease for almost four
>years!
>
>>I get the feeling that many of your furbabies are really sick or don't
>>eat much? Are all Cushing's dogs really sick and don't eat much?
>
>We had a terrible time getting our little girl to eat, but she'd always had
>a weak appetite. I've heard the same from others, too, but it seems that
>the majority of the pups still have decent appetites.
>
>> Boomer doesn't seem
>>sick, he's just bald, hungry, thirsty and has to pee a lot. Is he gonna
>>get worse? It is my understanding the with medication he will get
>>better.
>
>Treatment should help those symptoms abate. Even in the very short time
>Missy lived with the disease after treatment, we saw hair growth and a
>reduction in her drinking.
>
>I hope that these answers help, Liza. Thanks for posting them. They'll
>make a great contribution to the currently-being-produced FAQ page.
>
>Look for it, a transcribed article on treating pituitary-dependent
>Cushing's, and notes from a Scottie seminar on Cushing's (thanks Doreen!)
>to be on the web page sometime soon.
>
>-Leslie

Thanks for posting this letter! I found it very informative.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:29:07 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: Cushings <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Winchester
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Wanted to tell everyone that Winchester's test came back today and it
was negative and I was so happy. Now all I have to do is cope with his
diabetes and not with Cushing also..I think he realize how happy I was
he when outside and for the first time in two weeks since I found out he
had diabetes he played ball and chase his sister Morgan and had a good
old time and so did I, it warm my heart and made my day to see him so
happy and playful, now we can just get him regulated everything will be
alright..he has to go back to vet Thursday so they can try and regulate
his insulin. I want to think everyone for there kindness and help and I
will still be reading and writing.

Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:50:34 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Chester:

I know my lab, Rosie, had a low intake on Anipryl and high BG even on insulin.
Since we have switched her to Lysodren and are having luck in reducing insulin
instead of increasing it. Is Gretyl a dog or cat with Cushings also? Rosie
is at the vet's for her first ACTH test today. Picking her up soon and
meeting with the vet. Each animal acts differently. Hope you get in a
routine soon. Keep us informed.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:52:43 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Chester and Sandy:

I think the little amount of water has to do with the Anipryl/Deprenyl. Rosie
did the same thing.

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:52:37 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Tea Tree Oil
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Susan.....

What is the tea tree oil good for? Does it soften the pads?
Unfortunately, I have never heard of the oil and don't have a clue what
it's for. Schonus has one paw now that literally has no pad on
it....just skin. My Vet explained to me that if this keeps recurring he
will have to do surgery consisting of slicing away the pads and then
pack them with antibiotics. Seems rather barbaric to me!!!!

Now for my usual questions of the week....how long does it take for the
ravenous appetite to at least start to decrease? I'm about ready to
lose a finger or two! Also, Schonus has been on continual antibiotics
now for months....doesn't this raise havoc with the kidneys???

Jackie.....when Schonus had his terrible ear infections he was placed on
Otomax which is a corticosteroid. It was either that or Panalog which
is another steroid. Now I'm nervous....he was only on it for one week
and I told my Vet I wasn't too happy about using it but I guess I had no
other choice.

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:58:35 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Winchester
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Congratulations Sandy and Winchester on the good news!

>From Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:02:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Missing Link
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Lisa.....

In the info that Missing Link mailed to me I noticed that the "Super
Premium LC Health Food" contained chicken, rice and lamb. So I was
wondering if I could just give him the Dry Water by itself. Schonus
also has a history of chronic colitis so I guess maybe I'll check on the
"Exclude" with my Vet. Maybe I can combine those two???? Right now
he's only on Hill's Maintenance Lite and he gets Solid Gold Sea Meal
powder once a day.

Thank you soooo much for your help/info!

Linda & Schonus

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:14:54 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Something Happy
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Dillon.....

That's the GREATEST news! Don't forget to post his pic on your HP!

Linda

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:19:42 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Tom,

Our Arthur had been quite overweight for some time , but I just chose to
attribute it to inactivity ( he had two cruciate surgeries a few years ago and
has subsequent arthritis) as well as being ashamedly overfed. As I look back,
I think his PU/PD started in about May of last year. I didn't realize just how
much water he was drinking until I discovered that my husband was ALSO filling
all the water containers every day. With six beasties in the house we have a
lot of water available. After this discovery I started to watch him very
closely as far as water and urination were concerned. Much to my dismay, I
found that he was at times having accidents in the house. We had previously
thought it was our pup doing this, but now we know that the old boy just
couldn't wait all night and didn't want to wake us.

His ALP on the chem panel that first week of testing was 2280! All other
results were perfectly normal. The low dose dex showed that he suppressed at
the four hour mark, but had jumped right back up to his original high level of
cortisol at the 8 hour mark. So, diagnosis early Cushing's and on to the
Anipryl. I am so glad it is working for him. He is not the kind of dog who
appreciates a lot of fuss and medicine. He is part chow (but looks like a
corgi with longer hair) and is a bit aloof at times even though he was bottle
raised in my home. I would hate to have to do a lot of other treatment with
him, but I suppose in time we may have to. He is such a wonderful
dog...........we would do anything to keep him happy and comfortable.

May I suggest a new book that is out that will make us all feel good....it is
called
"Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul". I got an advance copy from the
publisher and have read it all just today. It was at times a tear-jerker, but
overall a big smile maker. It does so help to realize that about half the
world is just as crazy about their little creatures as we are.

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:19:46 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Tea Tree Oil
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Leslie....

Thanx so much for the offer! That's so nice of you! Like I've said
before...I live in an extremely small town...heck a one horse town!! If
I can't find it within the next few days...and if it will help....I'll
even drive down there to get some!

Do you know if paw pads regrow????? He has quite a few pads that are
now nothing but bare skin.

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:23:29 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Thanks Leslie. I will check it out!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:36:46 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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LInda,

"Dry Water " is a complete and balanced food, but I would probably use it as a
top dressing for whatever kibble you use. I mix up some and then put dry food
in it and stir it up and serve......quite yummy according to my houseful of
taste-testers. ( Of course, these dogs will eat from the cat box too!
GROSS!!!!!)

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:35:29 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Ann, John & Kelly.....

That's one of the reasons why we had Schonus' hair clipped short...he
was panting so much during the first warm weather. That's when I really
noticed how much his hair had thinned out! He has been on Lysodren now
for four months and he still hasn't gotten much hair back. Don't laugh
but I got out my "needles" and knitted him a couple of sweaters for our
Winter. His belly was still quite bare and I figured it wouldn't hurt
him. Boy, talk about insulting him!!! He wouldn't even go near the
door when I first got it on him. I kept telling him "What a pretty boy"
but he gave me looks like I had insulted his manliness!!!

I've never heard of the "recipe" that the Vet recommended to you but
then again....who knows with this disease!! Let us know how it works!

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:37:56 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Thanks Judy and Rosie, I did allot of praying this past weekend waiting
for his results and luckily are prayers were answer.
Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:38:07 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Linda,

Another name for tea tree is Melaleuca alternafolia.......maybe you can find
it by that name.

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:40:37 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Lisa....

Bless your heart! I don't know how you do it!! I'm sure he'll eat it
as his appetite is still ravenous and it doesn't matter what we give him
so long as we're giving him something. Heck...the other day he even ate
one of my cat's fury little mice! He had it in his mouth at the same
time we gave him a cookie and decided to swallow both!!! Hopefully,
this too shall pass!!

Again, thanx for much for you help!

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:47:35 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Lisa...

Is this to be used only on pads or pads plus skin in between? How is it
beneficial?

Linda

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:57:07 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Linda,

It is sort of similar in action to aloe vera, only supposed to be much more
potent. You can get it at pet stores under the brand name "Mela Miracle", IN
fact, I think Foster and Smith hav eit in their catalogs.

 

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:49:00 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 98-04-20 15:38:52 EDT, you write:

<< >related or adreanal. >>

A low dose dex test does not differentiate pituitaryt vs adrenal based
Cushings disease. Only a high does dex test does. Another good screening
test (such as the low dose dex test) is a urine cortisol creatinine ratio.

 

Actually you can use the LDDS to not only diagnose hyperadrenocorticism but in
60-70% of the dogs we can also tell if it is pituitary dependent (PDH). This
is based by finding suppression at the 4 hour sample with escape at 8 hours.
If we dont see 50% suppression at either 4 or 8 hours then we go to a HDDS,
plasma ACTH or an US.


>> In many cases, Cushingnoid dogs will have normal low dose dex test and the
next step (if all clinical and biochemical signs are there) is often the high
dose test. <<

You cant do a HDDS if the LDDS is normal but we can do an ACTH stimulation
test or a UCCR to help get the diagnosis. You can get normal ACTH and LDDS
tests initially in about 10% of dogs with the disease.

Dave Bruyette

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:27:11 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Hi everyone -

Vincent has *another* ear infection. He hasn't had one since he was
first diagnosed with Cushing's back in January. He had a terrible one
then, one that wouldn't clear up and led to the Cushing's test in the
first place.

My vet doesn't want to use one of the steroid medications you mentioned
because of the Cushing's. She says it's a yeast infection, and she has
me treating it with as ear wash called Oticalm, 3x a day. It seems to
be helping, or at least keeping it at bay.

I was wondering, though... Vincent had bronchitis a couple of weeks
ago, and was put on an antibiotic. I've heard that antibiotics can
cause yeast infections, as they kill whatever it is that kills the
developing yeast. I'm thinking of starting to feed him yogurt every day
(I'll check this out with my vet first, of course). Yogurt with
acidophilus cultures is supposed to help prevent yeast infections. Poor
Vincent, he's been through such hell with those darned floppy ears.

Take care,

Sandy and Vincent

L Boyce wrote:

>Also, Schonus has been on continual antibiotics
> now for months....doesn't this raise havoc with the kidneys???
>
> Jackie.....when Schonus had his terrible ear infections he was placed on
> Otomax which is a corticosteroid. It was either that or Panalog which
> is another steroid. Now I'm nervous....he was only on it for one week
> and I told my Vet I wasn't too happy about using it but I guess I had no
> other choice.
>
> Linda & Schonus

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:36:32 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
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Dear Dr. Bruyette,

Thanks for the added info....

Michelle

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:05:22 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Sandy and Winchester:

We are so happy for you both. Rosie is home from her ACTH test and we hope to
get the results tomorrow. My vet is hoping that the diabetic condition Rosie
has is only temporary once we get the Cushing's under control. She had a
negative BG urine test again this a.m. So we are starting her tomorrow on
only 13 units of insulin! Quite a breakthrough from 19 units last Thursday.
It appears the Lysodren is doing the trick.

Keep your paws crossed!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:16:36 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Judy and Rosie

I am glad that Lysodren is doing the trick for Rosie, Winchester goes
back to vet Thursday and I am praying his blood sugar is alright but I
kind of doudt it, having all kinds of trouble regulating him and I am
doing exactly as I have been told he eats one hour before his injection
and then he gets 20 units and then 12 hours in gets another 20 and so
far his blood sugar is to high but at 30 he bottom outs, He is eating
nothing but Hills w/d in cans and also in dry and he is not to happy
about that, I am hoping as soon as we get him under control I can fix
him something else, because he is always hungry. Good Luck to you and
Rosie.

Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:29:13 EDT
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Sandy and Winchester:

Just in case I have failed to mention it, there is another group of really
wonderful caring individuals whose pets are diabetic. Some cat and dog
parents, some with Cushings and diabetes and some diabetes. In case you are
interested in joining in here's is how:

Majordomo@majordomo.esosoft.com, no subject line, and (in body of message)
write Subscribe Muffin and your name.

Good luck on getting Winchester regulated.

Judy and Rosie

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Anybody want to reach out here? When these posts occasionally appear on
the Cushing's list, no one from there ever mentions Muffin, so maybe we
should. I don't think this is already a member here, but if so, then
that's good.
Hilary

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Subject: Winchester
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:29:07 -0700
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Wanted to tell everyone that Winchester's test came back today and it
was negative and I was so happy. Now all I have to do is cope with his
diabetes and not with Cushing also..I think he realize how happy I was
he when outside and for the first time in two weeks since I found out he
had diabetes he played ball and chase his sister Morgan and had a good
old time and so did I, it warm my heart and made my day to see him so
happy and playful, now we can just get him regulated everything will be
alright..he has to go back to vet Thursday so they can try and regulate
his insulin. I want to think everyone for there kindness and help and I
will still be reading and writing.

Sandy and Winchester
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:42:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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At 11:29 PM 4/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Was it adrenal or pituitary Cushings???
>M. Brownstein DVM
>http://www.petsandvet.com
>
>I just found out about 5 minutes ago that Dudley's Cushings is pituitary.
He will start Deprenyl tomorrow.

Thanks, Jan Glover, Seattle

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:46:04 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Brenda:

Thank you for such a terrific response about feeding. It really solidifies
some of the intuition I had about feeding Rosie more than twice a day. I am
sure this speaks to several of us. Thanks again.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:52:51 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
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L Boyce wrote:
> Susan.....
> What is the tea tree oil good for?

I'm not Susan, but here is what "Complementary and
Alternative Veterinary Medicine: Principles and
Practice" (Schoen), has to say, in part:
it's widely used as an antibiotic and fungicide, and
it used in some pet shampoos to repel fleas.
Toxicity and cautions:
1. Do not use tree oil internally.
2. Tea tree oil can cause minor reactions (rash) in
allergic individuals.
3. High external dosages can also cause weakness,
incoordination, tremors, and depression in animals.

Would your dog lick his paws if this was on them?
That would seem to be a caution.
Jeri

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:02:58 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Lisa,
Your tip about using a few drops of vegetable oil in the feeding syringes is
super! It works like a charm. (Why didn't we think of the before?!)

Clea is getting very tired of her Hill's Prescription Diet u/d through a
syringe. She prefers to eat on her own, and our vet has been working with
us to find food she might like. But, we are running out of ideas, and we
wonder if you would share with us what you feed your "renal baby."
Thanks.

P.S. Also, any ideas and suggestions from anyone else as well would be most
welcome and appreciated.

Thanks again.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:25:25 EDT
From: Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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For $9 plus shipping, you might want to consider an herbal ear wash by Noan's
Kingdom in New Jersey. You can ask for Michael or Harvey at 908-933-1001.

It is a product that keeps their ears clean and deters ear mites and other
irritants away naturally. It is an herbal earwash that is made in a base of
witch hazel - an astringent. It also contains: calendula, yellow dock,
mullein, garlic, tea tree oil, eucalyptus, clove and sage. It is a synergestic
blend of 9 healing herbs (5 essential oils and 4 herbal extracts).

It has been formulated to eliminate the use of stinging alcohol when cleaning
pets' ears - combined to provide fast relief when ears itch, smell or appear
to be sore or greasy.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:27:50 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Sandy,

There are medications that can treat the yeast without steroids in them......
Miconizole comes in a liquid that you can use. Ask your vet....I use it all
the time for yeasty years and ringworm.

 

If you want to go the natural route...a few drops of white vinegar in each ear
will help because it changes the pH of the ear and yeast are inhibited
somewhat. He will smell like a pickle, but it may help his problem.

 

Lisa

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:38:47 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Tom,

My "kidney kid" is eating canned K/D and FRR senior kibble ( only a little).
Her creatintines are staying less than 3.0 on this , so I am letting her stay
with it. She is a 13 year old beagle who has had in the past auto-immune
hemolytic anemia, so after that this little kidney stuff isn't so bad. In
fact, I really don't consider her in outright kidney failure at this time
because she is doing so well and is pretty much fat and happy. We only found
her high BUN and Cr when doing a presurgical blood panel before removing some
little skin bumps.

Hill's publishes a flyer that has on it recipes for making the various
prescription diets at home. I am sure that your vet has some. If not, let me
know and I will try to mail you one if you can supply an address. The recipes
are fairly simple and use ingredients that you already have at home. I used
the restricted protein one for a cat we had once that lived at the clinic for
over two years...He refused to eat any of the prescription diets at all, then
gave up eating altogether. The day I cooked the homemade diet up for him he
ate it well and lived on it and an occasional mousie for about two years.

Good Luck!

Lisa

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:16:34 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Judy and Rosie thanks for the Muffins I am subscribing because I need
all the help I can get and all the understanding from pet lovers who are
living with and ill pet. Thanks again

Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:01:40 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: DFRS2 Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Gretle is a female dachshund who is diabetic and is being treated for
cushings. She only had one ACTH stimulation test. Her baseline Cortisol
was 7.1 ug/dl and post stimulation was 28.4 ug/dl. I have only done a few
BG tests so really do not know what is going on exactly from using
dipsticks. Since this was her first week on insulin I am still in the
observing phase.
chester
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>Chester:
>
>I know my lab, Rosie, had a low intake on Anipryl and high BG even on
insulin.
>Since we have switched her to Lysodren and are having luck in reducing
insulin
>instead of increasing it. Is Gretyl a dog or cat with Cushings also?
Rosie
>is at the vet's for her first ACTH test today. Picking her up soon and
>meeting with the vet. Each animal acts differently. Hope you get in a
>routine soon. Keep us informed.
>
>Judy and Rosie
>

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:45:51 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Winchester
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Hurray for you you and Winchester!! Sounds like he was as happy with the
good news as you, Sandy.

-Leslie

At 06:29 PM 4/20/98 -0700, Sandra Johnson wrote:
>Wanted to tell everyone that Winchester's test came back today and it
>was negative and I was so happy.
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:17:40 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Winchester
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I'm very happy for the both of you. Dealing with one of these is bad enough.

Please take care, and give Winchester a big hug from everybody here (that
should take a few days and make him one happy puppy!)

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:42:55 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
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I just received copies of Gretle's(dachshund) one and only cushings =
test- ACTH stimulation. She has been on 10mg anipryl since February and =
water intake has slowed but BG is still high. Her baseline cortisol was =
7.1 ug/dl and post ACTH stimulation was 28.4 ug/dl. Her Glucose was =
390.5 mg/dl. This was done on 2-21-98 and Vet said that he would rather =
treat by symptoms rather than by another test except for blood glucose. =
Her blood chemistry on 2--7-98 had High Alb, ALKP, Ca, Chol & phos, low =
CREA. Her chemestry on 4-13-98, the date of her first insulin injection =
showed ALB & Alkp still high but lower, Her Ca & Chol were down to =
normal and the Crea dropped some, still being low, her glucose was =
425.6. This was after about six weeks of anipryl. Her only symptoms =
were weight loss & pd/pu. Is this without a doubt Cushings and with =
reduction of symptoms, the 10 mg of anipryl for 13 lb dog the right =
treatment along with the insulin? I read the earlier posts and some =
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:47:59 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Tom White wrote:
>
> Lisa,
> Your tip about using a few drops of vegetable oil in the feeding syringes is
> super! It works like a charm. (Why didn't we think of the before?!)
>
> Clea is getting very tired of her Hill's Prescription Diet u/d through a
> syringe. She prefers to eat on her own, and our vet has been working with
> us to find food she might like. But, we are running out of ideas, and we
> wonder if you would share with us what you feed your "renal baby."
> Thanks.
>
> P.S. Also, any ideas and suggestions from anyone else as well would be most
> welcome and appreciated.
>
> Thanks again.
> Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> trw@virginia.edu

Tom,

I feed Cybil the diet for dogs with renal problems listed in one of my
pet health food books: 2 cups cooked brown rice or barley, 1/2 cup
chopped or ground chicken ( I cook it, but I suspect raw is better), 3/4
cup canned green beans (any kind of vegetable will work, but Cybil loves
canned green beans). I give half of this morning and half evening. I
also sprinkle 2 tablespoons of chopped parsnip on top each serving.
Parsnips are particularly good for renal problems. She has been eating
it for months now and seems to like it. It is low in protein and fat
which is good for renal problems. She has actually lost some weight on
it, which she needed to do. I also supplement with vitamins and
minerals, much like has already been posted. If you would like exact
title and author of book, let me know. It is at home, and I'm at work.
Good Luck.

Patti & Cybil

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:21:15 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who welcomed Boomer and me to
the list, and thanks for all the information. It did help, although I
still feel a bit unsure about what's going to happen next. Still
waiting for results of test to tell if its pituitary of adrenal related
Cushing's. Should be back tomorrow. I get the feeling that with this
illness, you just take it one day at a time, enjoy the good days and
endure the not so good days. At least I am prepared for the fact that
it may not be a bed of roses all the time.
I do feel great comfort in know that ya'll are here to help along the
way. Just another wonderful benefit we would not have if it weren't for
the internet, as well as the loving caring people that are so willing to
help and share with others. My sincerest thanks to all of you for being
here :) I don't feel so all alone now!

See Ya! -- Liza and the GatorPoos

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:37:56 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
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Dillon,

That's fantastic news about your new pup! A name. We'll be anxiously
waiting for your pup's name and more details.

Best,
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:40:43 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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Dear Leslie,
Thank you so much for the information! It was most helpful. And
thank you for the list and the Cushing's page. I ran across it a couple
months ago, before we knew Boomer had Cushings and did not give it but a
short glance. But this time when I saw it, I took it all in! I have
been trying to get as much information on Cushings as possible since
Boomer was tested for it. When I picked Boomer up that day I talked to
my vet for quite a while about it, and he said I knew more about it than
some of his first year students! Wait til I tell him what I've learned
since I last talked to him!
Again thanks for all the good stuff!

-- Liza and Boomer(Mom, you're so smart to be learning 'bout this
disease I have!)

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:21:36 -0500
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From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long

Hi Liza-

Welcome to our "family"!

I'll take a stab at some of your questions, based mostly on my own
experience with our little Melissa.

>1. Why do they need to know the difference? Isn't the treatment the
>same?

Not necessarily. If the Cushing's is adrenal in origin (the cause of
only
~15% of cases), the tumor causing the excessive cortisol production can
often be surgically removed. Pituitary tumors (which cause ~85% of all
cases of Cushing's) are typically treated with one of three medications,
1)
Lysodren, which destroys parts of the adrenal glands so that they
produce
less coritsol; this drug has a relatively high success rate but is
pretty
harsh stuff; 2) Anipryl, which, according to the manufacturer, promotes
normalization of dopamine metabolism, thereby improving
hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis regulation. (Cushing's occurs when
the
HPA axis is out of whack--stay tuned for the graphic of this system that
I
hope to have posted to the web page soon.) The treatment success rate
for
Anipryl is not as good as with Lysodren; and 3) Ketaconazole which also
works on the adrenal side of the equation, but I don't remember exactly
how (I'll follow up with the answer as soon as I dig it out).

>2. Treatment: We haven't started it yet, but I understand it is just
>medication he will take for the rest of his life? Is that all?

The answer to this question depends on your treatment option. If the
source of Boomer's Cushing's is pituitary and you decide to use
Lysodren,
he'll probably require meds and bloodwork regularly for the rest of his
life.

>3. How soon after treatment begins should we see any changes, and what
>changes can I expect to see?

Again, if you use Lysodren to treat Boomer, you'll go through a "loading
dose", a hefty, daily dose of the drug. You'll probably see a reduction
in
Boomer's appetite and thirst within 6-9 days of beginning the loading
dose.
As I recall, many--but certainly not all--folks see renewed hair growth
and behavior approaching normalcy within a few weeks of going on the
maintenance therapy (typically a once or twice a week dosage) with
Lysodren.

>4. Here's the one that really scares me....is Boomer's life going to
be
>significantly shortened because of this?

I've seen the life expectancy of Cushinoid dogs noted in the literature
as
averaging 24 months past diagnosis, but, of course, Boomer's life
expectancy will depend more on factors such as how early he was
diagnosed,
how well he responds to treatment, what other health problems he has,
etc.
You'll see from a quick look at our gallery, that we run the spectrum in
life expectancies, with some dogs like my Melissa succumbing pretty
quickly, to others like little Ivan living with the disease for almost
four
years!

>I get the feeling that many of your furbabies are really sick or don't
>eat much? Are all Cushing's dogs really sick and don't eat much?

We had a terrible time getting our little girl to eat, but she'd always
had
a weak appetite. I've heard the same from others, too, but it seems
that
the majority of the pups still have decent appetites.

> Boomer doesn't seem
>sick, he's just bald, hungry, thirsty and has to pee a lot. Is he
gonna
>get worse? It is my understanding the with medication he will get
>better.

Treatment should help those symptoms abate. Even in the very short time
Missy lived with the disease after treatment, we saw hair growth and a
reduction in her drinking.

I hope that these answers help, Liza. Thanks for posting them. They'll
make a great contribution to the currently-being-produced FAQ page.

Look for it, a transcribed article on treating pituitary-dependent
Cushing's, and notes from a Scottie seminar on Cushing's (thanks
Doreen!)
to be on the web page sometime soon.

-Leslie

 

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:54:54 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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In my own experience, I found that I was much better equipped to talk to
the vet and help in Melissa's monitoring and treatment after I understood
the disease. The more I learned, the more I realized that there was so
very much I didn't know! But at least I knew better what questions to ask.

Thanks for your kind words. Believe me, facilitating the Cushing's forum
and web page is a piece of cake when compared to caring for a Cushinoid
pup. It's each of you who are doing the really hard work!

-Leslie

At 10:40 AM 4/21/98 PDT, Liza Klosterman wrote:
>Dear Leslie,
> Thank you so much for the information! It was most helpful. And
>thank you for the list and the Cushing's page. I ran across it a couple
>months ago, before we knew Boomer had Cushings and did not give it but a
>short glance. But this time when I saw it, I took it all in! I have
>been trying to get as much information on Cushings as possible since
>Boomer was tested for it. When I picked Boomer up that day I talked to
>my vet for quite a while about it, and he said I knew more about it than
>some of his first year students! Wait til I tell him what I've learned
>since I last talked to him!
> Again thanks for all the good stuff!
>
>-- Liza and Boomer(Mom, you're so smart to be learning 'bout this
>disease I have!)

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:37:58 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Hi, just thought I'd add that another alternative for treating ear
infections is those products we women use for yeast infections! I got
this from the poodle list I'm on. Anyone who owns poodles will
eventually have ear problems, although I have been extremely lucky with
my 3, no infections in 11 years!! If interested in this treatment let
me know and I'll ask for the exact dosage.

-- Liza and the GatorPoos

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From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)

Hi everyone -

Vincent has *another* ear infection. He hasn't had one since he was
first diagnosed with Cushing's back in January. He had a terrible one
then, one that wouldn't clear up and led to the Cushing's test in the
first place.

My vet doesn't want to use one of the steroid medications you mentioned
because of the Cushing's. She says it's a yeast infection, and she has
me treating it with as ear wash called Oticalm, 3x a day. It seems tom
be helping, or at least keeping it at bay.

I was wondering, though... Vincent had bronchitis a couple of weeks
ago, and was put on an antibiotic. I've heard that antibiotics can
cause yeast infections, as they kill whatever it is that kills the
developing yeast. I'm thinking of starting to feed him yogurt every day
(I'll check this out with my vet first, of course). Yogurt with
acidophilus cultures is supposed to help prevent yeast infections. Poor
Vincent, he's been through such hell with those darned floppy ears.

Take care,

Sandy and Vincent

 

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:02:28 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Very clever, Liza!

One of our kitties (Jezebel, our two year old calico love bug of a daddy's
girl) got an ear infection while we were dealing with Missy's Cushing's.
You can't even imagine how badly it pained me to fill her ears with steriod
cream while at the same time fighting the effects of steroids in my beloved
dog!

If my Jelly-Belly kitty ever turns up with another ear infection, I'll be
sure to ask our vet about using the over-the-counter anti-yeast creams.
Thanks for passing on the suggestion.

I guess before we all run out to buy stock in Gyno-Lotrimin (sp?), I should
put this question out to the vets on the list: do you see any problems
with using these products in our little ones' ears?

-Leslie

 

 

At 03:37 PM 4/21/98 PDT, Liza Klosterman wrote:
>Hi, just thought I'd add that another alternative for treating ear
>infections is those products we women use for yeast infections! I got
>this from the poodle list I'm on. Anyone who owns poodles will
>eventually have ear problems, although I have been extremely lucky with
>my 3, no infections in 11 years!! If interested in this treatment let
>me know and I'll ask for the exact dosage.
>
>-- Liza and the GatorPoos

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:03:32 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Sandy....

I know what you mean about ear infections!! As soon as I get the staph
infection cleared up...I'm faced with another ear infection! My Vet
also said it was caused by a yeast from the antibiotics for his staph!
We started out with Otomax x7 days but the ear infection got worse so
Schonus was then placed on Clavamox.. But as luck would have it, his
staph is back, so is now back on Cephalexin (Keflex). I'm running out
of options as he still moans so much when you rub his ears which leads
me to believe he still has an infection.

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:07:55 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Jeri....

Thanx for the info....Schonus doesn't stand a chance to do anything!!!
Not with me over him 24/7! *LOL* I usually sneak stuff on him while he
is sleeping and he doesn't bother with it.

Linda

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:16:58 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Leslie...

I live in the Catskill Mountains in upstate New York. I went to the one
and only pet store in town today but they did not carry it and we only
have one family owned drug store and they didn't carry it either. Trust
me...this town isn't even on the map!! *L* But the pet store referred
me to a Health Food Store about 20 minutes away and supposedly they have
the tea tree oil. I'll let you know...

Linda

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:05:08 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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I took Mollie to CSU (Colorado State U. Vet Teaching Hospital) today. It
wasn't too bad as far as waiting around. The vet and students were great and
listening to the teaching of the students was very interesting. (Mollie might
have another opinion however).
Dr. Macy told me that he thought Mollie just needed an increased dosage of
her lysodren. He said everything looked great as far as physical exam went.
She does have the beginnings of cataracts which I suspected. But other than
that she's doing good. I was getting sooooo paranoid.
I won't know the test results until Thursday so keep your fingers crossed
for me. He ran a CBC too just in case something else is going on. By the
way, Dr. Macy doesn't seem too thrilled with Anipryl as long as the Lysodren
is working well.
Let you know on Thursday what the results are. But I feel so much better.
Mollie is still not speaking to me and she's pretty sore but I think she'll be
ok!
Debbie and Mollie Bear

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:30:46 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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There is a distributor in California for tea tree oil products. I don't
have the phone number but the name is Desert Essence in Chatsworth, CA
91311. Give that a try and I hope that works. C.B.'s ACTH stim results came
back and she has good suppression but still is no better on all the signs
and symptoms. Tomorrow she goes for chem profile and Phenobarb level check.
Maybe that will tell us something. It is really interesting reading all
about everyone and their animals that have the same problems as we do. It
is helpful. Thanks. Linda & C.B.

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:26:11 EDT
From: DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Hi Liza

I am interested in more information on alternative treatments for ear
infections. Spenser, our Standard Poodle (8 1/2 yrs.) has been struggling with
them for awhile. Also, what poodle list are you on? I am definitely would like
to know more.

Thanks,
Susan G. and Spenser

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:04:36 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi Liza,

My vet had said much the same to me, that if the ear wash didn't work we
would move on to the creams. I'm going in to see her again on Thursday.
Poor Vincent, ever since his ear resection 8 years ago, Vincent hasn't
had much use for vets, *especially* when they mess with his ears.

Liza Klosterman wrote:
>
> Hi, just thought I'd add that another alternative for treating ear
> infections is those products we women use for yeast infections! I got
> this from the poodle list I'm on. Anyone who owns poodles will
> eventually have ear problems, although I have been extremely lucky with
> my 3, no infections in 11 years!! If interested in this treatment let
> me know and I'll ask for the exact dosage.
>
> -- Liza and the GatorPoos

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:07:51 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Muffin invitation
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Sandy and Winchester

You are welcome! Thanks to Hilary for prodding us to be more open to helping
others like you and Winchester.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:12:55 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: DFRS2 Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Chester and Gretle

Hang in there and be observant. Only you know your pet better than anyone.
Keep up the diet and medication and you will she her level out in a week or
two. If not do not hesitate to talk with your vet. You most always have
options. Good luck to you both.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:12:48 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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L Boyce wrote:
>
>My Vet also said it was caused by a yeast from the antibiotics for his staph!>

Hi Linda,

I'm going to ask my vet on Thursday about feeding Vincent yogurt
whenever he goes on antibiotics from now on. I guess it couldn't hurt
though, huh?

Hope Schonus' paws are feeling better.

Sandy and Vincent

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:27:45 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: Muffin@esosoft.com, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Well, it never gets dull...........Good News/Bad News?

The results for Rosie's ACTH test came back today. It appears Rosie reacted
too well to the Lysodren. She now is showing signs of Addison's disease
instead of Cushing's.

Her pre ACTH was .3 and her post was 1.9. The vet was hoping for a 1-5 rating
pre and 8-17 post.

Addison's is hypoadrenal and Cushing's is hyperadrenal. Her insulin is down
to 13 units twice a day, but she is terribly messed up after missing her shot
yesterday a.m. for the testing. Her urine tests were Medium to High this a.m.
and tonight. My vet told me to watch her closely. If she becomes lethargic I
can check her pulse for peace of mind. Anything over 60 beats per minute (she
is a dog) is okay, but if less to call him. Supposedly the hypoadrenal state
can cause imbalance with the sodium and potassium levels and slow her heart
rate.

We are going to put Rosie on a maintenance of Lysodren 1000 mg twice a week
and see if she evens out. I am also going to watch and make sure we haven't
decreased her insulin too much. In a couple of weeks we will do another ACTH
to see where she is then.

It sounds so easy doesn't it. We are really doing fine. Rosie I am sure will
come back around in a day or so. You know me.....I will be watching her very
closely.
Take care to you all!

Judy and Rosie

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:47:31 EDT
From: SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
To: Cushings-Pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ear Infections/Tubes
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>>it doesn't work in 10 days, they will have to puncture the tympanic
membrane....kinda like the procedure they do on a child when they have
persistent ear infections and insert tubes...they do the same procedure only
no tubes. <<<

We had this done about 3 years ago. BJ had chronic ear infections for
years... tried every antibiotic on themarket and ended up on the strongest
ones... nothing helped. The vet said the only thing that could possibly help
was doing the tube surgery. THey went in through his neck up to his "bolla"
in his ear canal... drained it out, scraped it and inserted tubes. The tubes
stayed in for about 3-4 weeks (can't remember) and we haven't had a problem
since.

All in all, I'd say we spent about $3,500 on his ear problem... the surgery
was expensive. We were at a specialist's office here in Houston, so I'm sure
everything was top dollar. Good news is it's gone.

I wish you good luck... it's a hard battle to fight!

Lori
:>) I'm owned by a Cushings Doggy!

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:29:53 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear Update
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Debbie and Mollie Bear

Glad to hear the good news. How are her urine glucose levels? Does your vet
have you testing that daily like I am?

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:51:21 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Infections
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A while ago Kelly had an intermittent infection between the pads on one paw.
We tried everything to clear it up, teatree oil included but the only thing that
had any real effect was a cortison cream which we can't use any more. We have
found the only thing that seems to work now is Aloe Vera gel from the plant -
open a leaf and smear it on. If he gets bored and we're not around to notice
he'll start licking at the pads (payback time for leaving him alone for an hour
or two!) and start the problem off again but if we catch it quick enough we can
stop it before it really gets going. It could be worth a try for the
staph.infections on Schonus' pads. We use it ourselves and it's certainly
soothing......
Ann, John & Kelly (whose having such a good day he's chased his cat brother up
the lemon tree)
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

 

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:07:35 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Hi Susan!

Write me directly, or since you are on aol we can talk "real time" some time
if you like.

One thing you might be sure to do is pluck all the hair out first....it is so
hard to keep up with in poodles, esp standards! I have to pluck my Ellie's
every week!

Lisa

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:03:52 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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I did to unscribe to the mail list. I will be out of town for the next
three months. I enjoy reading all the letters and have learned allot but
for now I did to have my name removed.

Thank You
Sandra Johnson
sjohn@ntr.net

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:01:19 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Ear Infections
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I know that people taking long term antibiotics need to take some form of
bacteria replacement for intestines like acidophilus or yogurt. It would
seem that people with chronic infections like Aids or people with organ
transplants taking suppression drugs would also have this type of widespread
yeast problem and may have some solutions listed on their websites.
chester
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Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 7:07 PM
Subject: Ear Infections

 

>Sandy....
>
>I know what you mean about ear infections!! As soon as I get the staph
>infection cleared up...I'm faced with another ear infection! My Vet
>also said it was caused by a yeast from the antibiotics for his staph!
>We started out with Otomax x7 days but the ear infection got worse so
>Schonus was then placed on Clavamox.. But as luck would have it, his
>staph is back, so is now back on Cephalexin (Keflex). I'm running out
>of options as he still moans so much when you rub his ears which leads
>me to believe he still has an infection.
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:06:03 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Disease versus Our Babies
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>Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:49:08 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>Subject: Disease versus Our Babies
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>
> As I have recently been reading this forum, it would seem to me that
> everyone is worried very much about the *disease* they have. Don't
> get me wrong so am I, but my vet at Auburn, Dr. Chisholm-Chait, told
> me something that I can not forget.
>
> While it is important to treat the disease, more important is to treat
> the patient. What that means is that not everything that is good for
> one baby may be good for another, so each of us should try what is
> good for ours. We are attempting to do that I believe. I mean who
> would have ever thought of *feminine products* for ear infections! I
> know it must have been someone truly treating the patient. Next week
> our Sunny is due another ACTH Stim test for a check-up, so hopefully
> we will have good news.
>
> Everyone remember to treat the patient, not the disease.
>
> Randy of (Randy, Jackie, Sunny and Cat-friend Saphir) fame :-}
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

 

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:04:48 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Shu-Shu
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Lisa,

We just read your note of 4/19, and we are so very sorry about your loss of
Shu-Shu.

Our hearts are with you and others who have lost a beloved pet. We know
words are too feeble to take away the pain you feel, but hope you will find
a little comfort in knowing that some day you will be together again. Until
that time, they will wait for us at the Rainbow Bridge.

Tom and Maria
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:10:22 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: How to clarify diagnosis
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baseline cortisol 7.1 ug/dl and post acth stim cortisol of 28.4 ug/dl, =
high BG and high ALB, ALKP, Ca, CHOL and low crea. After almost two =
months on anipryl there is some improvement in blood chem and good =
control on pd/pu. I have searched the websites and read a number of =
cushings descriptions and symptoms and the tests used. No one seems =
able to just say the magic words. Just what does a ACTH stimulation =
test in the numbers for Gretle mean? Does this differentiate between =
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what length of treatment? I need to make some decisions soon on just =
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symptoms. The Vet says the ACTH test results proves Cushings and that =
Anipryl (or lysodren) therapy is indicated. From earlier posts, I know =
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:34:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: North Dakota
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Did someone here say they were in North Dakota? My brother and his family
are in North Dakota. I hardly ever get to see them or even hear from
them. Are you out there North Dakotan? My brother is in Fargo, btw.

--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:30:08 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis
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*GREAT* questions Chester. This is very much the kind of information
owners need to understand in order to feel more confident about the myriad
of tests they put their little troopers through.

I'll dig around and see what I can find, but I know there are a couple of
subscribers who can rattle these kinds of figures off the top of their heads.

-Leslie

At 04:10 PM 4/22/98 -0400, chester b. smith wrote:
>From earlier
>posts, I know that diagnosis is not simple but what test parameters are to
>what degree definitive? chester

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:57:25 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis
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Chester,
These are some of the same things I am struggling with and I have no
answers for you. You are much further along than I am with Boomer as we
have not started any meds yet. All I can say is keep searching for
information. I certainly am. I will be watching to see if you get any
definitive answers to your concerns.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:10:22 -0400
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From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: How to clarify diagnosis

I have a dachshund diagnosed only by pd/pu, acth stimulation test with
baseline cortisol 7.1 ug/dl and post acth stim cortisol of 28.4 ug/dl,
high BG and high ALB, ALKP, Ca, CHOL and low crea. After almost two
months on anipryl there is some improvement in blood chem and good
control on pd/pu. I have searched the websites and read a number of
cushings descriptions and symptoms and the tests used. No one seems
able to just say the magic words. Just what does a ACTH stimulation
test in the numbers for Gretle mean? Does this differentiate between
Pituitary and adrenal? What should the blood chemistry go down to after
what length of treatment? I need to make some decisions soon on just
how far I go in treatment verses Gretle's quality of life. I must make
these decisions on some objective data which I have not been able to
find. I also need enough information to evaluate my Vet and to
determine just what level of expertise is needed for Gretle's particular
condition. Obviously I am not happy with the answers from the Vet so
far but what do I know? Everyone says how GOOD a dog Gretle is to put
up with the tests but I know how much she hates it and there is a limit
to how much I will subject her to unless I can determine it will be
beneficial. I do not know from the research that I have done whether
she has a terminal condition or if the anipryl will delay more severe
symptoms. The Vet says the ACTH test results proves Cushings and that
Anipryl (or lysodren) therapy is indicated. From earlier posts, I know
that diagnosis is not simple but what test parameters are to what degree
definitive?
chester

 

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:20:45 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Disease versus Our Babies
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Jackie Siniard wrote:
> > While it is important to treat the disease, more important is to treat
> > the patient. What that means is that not everything that is good for
> > one baby may be good for another, so each of us should try what is
> > good for ours.

Well said, and very important, especially since many of our dogs have
medical conditions in addition to Cushings, and might be on medications
that differ from other dogs on the list.
Jeri

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:29:28 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: FWD from Rigsby's mom....
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From: Jill Smith <jill@n-w.co.uk>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:12:48 +0100

For those of you who are fighting a losing battle against ear infections, I
have a suggestion that has always worked with my lop-ear dogs. (It's also
good with cats, rabbits.........you name it!) Years ago I had a springer who
was forever getting ear infections which cost a fortune to clear, just in
time for another to occur. My vet told me that he used a surgical spirit and
oil mix regularly with no problems. Since then we have used it on all our
dogs, after plucking the canal hair in some breeds, and have NEVER had
another infection!
Yes, it does stink, but not for long, and it really works. If you want to
try the mix, let me know and I'll send you the proportions.

PS: We are awaiting the results of Rigsby's latest batch of tests as the
first ones were inconclusive, despite the fact that he shows all the signs
of Cushings.

Good luck to you all from Jill, Dave, Rigsby and menagerie!

 

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:41:49 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Diagnosis
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Chester....

I know exactly what you mean about having all these questions! I have
another one that I'd like to add to your list....."Why is a "loading
phase" necessary for Lysodren?

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:44:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Infections
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Chester....

Oops...forgot something! I just recently had someone suggest
Acidophilus to me also. My Vet is checking into it.

Linda

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:16:19 EDT
From: Oberaw <Oberaw@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: BUBBA AND ME
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I am new to this group.
Bubba is my best buddy, a golden retreiver, 8 and 1/2 years old
and diagnosed with cushings.
Am curious if any other large dogs, especially retrievers, out their
have cushings, if they are beating it etc.
Number of pills required, special diet, etcl
Larry and my best buddy, Bubba

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:19:40 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bubba and Me
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Hi Larry & Bubba.....

First of all...welcome!

I have a Lab/Ret mix....he has black lab markings but the rest of him is
retriever. He was diagnosed when he was 5 1/2.

Have you started any treatment yet? Is Bubba pituitary dependent or
adrenal?

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:34:06 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Shu-Shu
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Oh dear!

Thanks so much for your good thoughts and well wishes. I have always said, "If
dogs aren't allowed in heaven, then I ain't going!" Guess that holds true for
all of us here.

 

Lisa

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:05:39 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: FWD from Rigsby's mom....
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> From: Jill Smith <jill@n-w.co.uk>
>My vet told me that he used a surgical spirit and oil mix regularly with no problems. Since then we have used it on all our dogs, after plucking the canal hair in some breeds, and have NEVER had another infection! Yes, it does stink, but not for long, and it really works. If you want to try the mix, let me know and I'll send you the proportions.>

 

Yes, please! That would be great.

Thanks,

Sandy

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:48:32 -0500
From: scott <scott@adams.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Sorry to here about Buba..
I have an 11 year old Chocolate lab with cushings.. He's been on
Lysodryn for 6 months now & seems to be doing ok although i think he
needs another test. starting to pant again, and stomack looks bloated??
Jake gets a pill on Moday, Tuesday Thursday & Friday. This seems to work
better for him than multiple pills 2 days a week.

Oberaw wrote:

> I am new to this group.
> Bubba is my best buddy, a golden retreiver, 8 and 1/2 years old
> and diagnosed with cushings.
> Am curious if any other large dogs, especially retrievers, out their
> have cushings, if they are beating it etc.
> Number of pills required, special diet, etcl
> Larry and my best buddy, Bubba

 

 

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:18:00 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Oberaw,

I have a 12 y/o/f chocolate lab with Cushings and Epilepsy. Epilepsy since
2 and Cushings for one year. She just went off her third loading dose and
her test results were OK but still has all the signs and symptoms, they are
no better. She is now taking Lysodren on Tues. and Fri. She is on no
special diet. She also has thyroid problems and arthritis and on meds for
both. Linda & C.B.

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:46:12 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Larry --

I have a 12-year-old Irish Setter, Maggie, who was diagnosed with Cushing's
last September. We tried Anipryl for a while, but that did not show any
improvement in her testing levels and my vet decided that we should switch to
Lysodren. We started that around the third week of March and she had no
problem during the loading phase. She is now on 2-1/2 tablets each week (1250
mg(?)), and I think she's doing okay with that. I hesitate because some days
she doesn't feel like eating, but it's never more than one day, so I regulate
her schedule according to her appetite. I give her eggs first (she loves
that) and if she eats them, I give her the Lysodren. A typical week would be
1 tablet (500 mg) on Monday, and then 1/2 tablet (250 mg) on Wednesday, Friday
and Saturday, for a weekly total of 1250 mg. She seems to be doing okay, but
she is rather old, and also has pretty bad arthritis in her rear legs. Last
Saturday, she fell down our stairs from the bedrooms to the foyer (15 steps),
but didn't hurt herself. I was on the lower floor and got to her immediately,
and then took her to the vet who said she was okay. She went down on her
stomach, almost like surfing and the steps are pretty well padded. But I'm
even more careful of where she goes how. I've blocked off the "bad" stairs.
Your dog is a little younger and hopefully she will respond well to treatment.
One of the things I've noticed from this list is that most of the dogs
involved seem to be smaller breeds (as you probably did), but unfortunately
Cushing's is not all that discriminatory and our big puppies don't escape it.
Good luck with Bubba...

Lois (and Maggie)

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:08:33 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear Update
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So much for what I thought was going to be good news. They called today
from CSU about her CBC results. Her glucose is 487 so they wanted to have
another drawn. Went back to my vet this afternoon for blood and urine. Still
way too high at 379 and she has protein in her urine. Guess I'll hear
tomorrow what the next step is and what the ACTH results are. We've never
done a urine on her before so I don't know how long this has been going on.
This is really a roller coaster we're all on with this disease. One day you
think all is well and the next it crashes down on you.
I'll update tomorrow. Debbie & Mollie Bear

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:35:19 -0400
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: "episode"
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I'm pretty sure Bo is having an "episode" of too much adrenal
suppression. I will take him to vet in the morning, and I just gave him
one prednisone tab - He threw up for the second time in two days
earlier, and this time there was froth with it, and he seems very
depressed in terms of affect etc. Those were the symptoms he had the one
time, over a year ago, when he had a similar episode. I'm not real sure
what the dosage of prednisone is in these cases, if anyone remembers,
email me. Since he is not throwiing up constantly or in pain or
distress, I think It's ok to wait for morning for vet, but if anyone has
more experience with prednisone in these cases, let me know. I'm going
to have to try another vet - his specialist moved away months ago, and
i'm not at all satisfied with the vet i took him to recently. Have a
recommedation from a friend/vet tech, so we will see. It's hard finding
vet GPs who know a whole lot about Cushings.
Judy

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:45:34 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Hi all,
I'm a lurker but thought you might be interested - I understand one good
thing to use for yeasty ears is acidophilus yoghurt used like the cream (in
the ears) also good for all our "lady-type" infections as well. I can't
remember what the dosage for ears was but if anyone wants the other dosage,
please email me privately :)))

Janet

Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:31:11 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re[2]: BUBBA AND ME
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>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:19:11 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re[2]: BUBBA AND ME
>
>
> We are sorry to hear about Maggie's slipping down the stairs. We know
> how you felt. Everytime our Sunny slips off the edge of the stool
> jumping on the sofa or missteps going out the door -- the heart skips
> a beat, because you worry about the hurt. I guess after awhile you
> see they are alright and you can tell -- you know what I mean. Anyway
> glad Maggie is alright and you have taken care of the *bad stairs*.
>
> Randy, Jackie, Sunny and (Cat-sister) Saphir
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
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>Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 4/22/98 9:46 PM
>
>
>Larry --
>
>I have a 12-year-old Irish Setter, Maggie, who was diagnosed with Cushing's
>last September. We tried Anipryl for a while, but that did not show any
>improvement in her testing levels and my vet decided that we should switch to
>Lysodren. We started that around the third week of March and she had no
>problem during the loading phase. She is now on 2-1/2 tablets each week (1250
>mg(?)), and I think she's doing okay with that. I hesitate because some days
>she doesn't feel like eating, but it's never more than one day, so I regulate
>her schedule according to her appetite. I give her eggs first (she loves
>that) and if she eats them, I give her the Lysodren. A typical week would be
>1 tablet (500 mg) on Monday, and then 1/2 tablet (250 mg) on Wednesday, Friday
>and Saturday, for a weekly total of 1250 mg. She seems to be doing okay, but
>she is rather old, and also has pretty bad arthritis in her rear legs. Last
>Saturday, she fell down our stairs from the bedrooms to the foyer (15 steps),
>but didn't hurt herself. I was on the lower floor and got to her immediately,
>and then took her to the vet who said she was okay. She went down on her
>stomach, almost like surfing and the steps are pretty well padded. But I'm
>even more careful of where she goes how. I've blocked off the "bad" stairs.
>Your dog is a little younger and hopefully she will respond well to treatment.
>One of the things I've noticed from this list is that most of the dogs
>involved seem to be smaller breeds (as you probably did), but unfortunately
>Cushing's is not all that discriminatory and our big puppies don't escape it.
>Good luck with Bubba...
>
>Lois (and Maggie)
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:44:13 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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>Subject: Re[2]: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
>
>
> Glad to hear from those *down under*, we don't mind a few *lurkers*.
>
> Randy, Jackie, Sunny, and (Cat-sister) Saphir
>
>
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>Date: 4/23/98 8:45 PM
>
>
>Hi all,
>I'm a lurker but thought you might be interested - I understand one good
>thing to use for yeasty ears is acidophilus yoghurt used like the cream (in
>the ears) also good for all our "lady-type" infections as well. I can't
>remember what the dosage for ears was but if anyone wants the other dosage,
>please email me privately :)))
>
>Janet
>
>Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
>janetb@ozemail.com.au
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:50:35 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Lois, I'm so glad to hear that Maggie was uninjured from her stair-surfing!

It's so sad that getting the Cushing's under control causes all of those
other problems of old age--like arthritis--to be unmasked.

-Leslie

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:25:07 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: FWD from Rigsby's mom (recipe)
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>From: "Jill Smith" <jill@n-w.co.uk>
>To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
>Subject: Re: FWD from Rigsby's mom....
>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:21:31 +0100

>Hope this is of use to you. Mix 1 part light oil, such as vegetable, with 3
>parts Surgical Spirits. Keep it in an old dropper bottle and apply a few
>drops to each ear at least once a month. You don't need to refridgerate it
>and it will keep for 6 months. We use it as a monthly cleaner but it can be
>applied every 2 or 3 days when there is an infection. Apply enough to make
>the ear "squelch" when you massage it in.
>I hope you are as successful with it as we have been. Please let me know how
>you get on.
>Jill and Rigsby.

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:36:00 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
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I talked to aniipryl hotline and he gave me the range of values for the =
ACTH stimulation test which showed Gretle at 28 as being high enough to =
be definitely diagnostic of cushings but noted that the test does not =
distinguish between pituitary and adrenal. =20
-----Original Message-----
From: chester b. smith <chesterb@penn.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu =
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Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 4:14 PM
Subject: How to clarify diagnosis
=20
=20
I have a dachshund diagnosed only by pd/pu, acth stimulation test =
with baseline cortisol 7.1 ug/dl and post acth stim cortisol of 28.4 =
ug/dl, high BG and high ALB, ALKP, Ca, CHOL and low crea. After almost =
two months on anipryl there is some improvement in blood chem and good =
control on pd/pu. I have searched the websites and read a number of =
cushings descriptions and symptoms and the tests used. No one seems =
able to just say the magic words. Just what does a ACTH stimulation =
test in the numbers for Gretle mean? Does this differentiate between =
Pituitary and adrenal? What should the blood chemistry go down to after =
what length of treatment? I need to make some decisions soon on just =
how far I go in treatment verses Gretle's quality of life. I must make =
these decisions on some objective data which I have not been able to =
find. I also need enough information to evaluate my Vet and to =
determine just what level of expertise is needed for Gretle's particular =
condition. Obviously I am not happy with the answers from the Vet so =
far but what do I know? Everyone says how GOOD a dog Gretle is to put =
up with the tests but I know how much she hates it and there is a limit =
to how much I will subject her to unless I can determine it will be =
beneficial. I do not know from the research that I have done whether =
she has a terminal condition or if the anipryl will delay more severe =
symptoms. The Vet says the ACTH test results proves Cushings and that =
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:59:16 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
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What is the anipryl hotline? Can anyone use it?

-- Liza

 

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Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test

I talked to aniipryl hotline and he gave me the range of values for the
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be definitely diagnostic of cushings but noted that the test does not =
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Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 4:14 PM
Subject: How to clarify diagnosis
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I have a dachshund diagnosed only by pd/pu, acth stimulation test =
with baseline cortisol 7.1 ug/dl and post acth stim cortisol of 28.4 =
ug/dl, high BG and high ALB, ALKP, Ca, CHOL and low crea. After almost
=
two months on anipryl there is some improvement in blood chem and good =
control on pd/pu. I have searched the websites and read a number of =
cushings descriptions and symptoms and the tests used. No one seems =
able to just say the magic words. Just what does a ACTH stimulation =
test in the numbers for Gretle mean? Does this differentiate between =
Pituitary and adrenal? What should the blood chemistry go down to after
=
what length of treatment? I need to make some decisions soon on just =
how far I go in treatment verses Gretle's quality of life. I must make
=
these decisions on some objective data which I have not been able to =
find. I also need enough information to evaluate my Vet and to =
determine just what level of expertise is needed for Gretle's particular
=
condition. Obviously I am not happy with the answers from the Vet so =
far but what do I know? Everyone says how GOOD a dog Gretle is to put
=
up with the tests but I know how much she hates it and there is a limit
=
to how much I will subject her to unless I can determine it will be =
beneficial. I do not know from the research that I have done whether =
she has a terminal condition or if the anipryl will delay more severe =
symptoms. The Vet says the ACTH test results proves Cushings and that =
Anipryl (or lysodren) therapy is indicated. From earlier posts, I know
=
that diagnosis is not simple but what test parameters are to what degree
=
definitive?
chester

 

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:01:02 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Arthur
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Lisa,

Thanks for sharing Arthur's story with us and how you caught his early
diagnosis. He's lucky to own such a caring vet.

Diagnostics for Cushings for Timmy and Little Rosti are still showing up
negative, so we will continue to watch, wait and retest. We are also exploring
other possibilities besides Cushings with our vet since their bloodwork, as
well as their continual urinary tract infections, leaves us feeling
uncomfortable But, we have a sinking gut feeling that we hold a "Dead Man's
Hand" (our note Hereditary Element in Cushings dated 4/17), and that one
morning we'll wake up and find they have full-blown Cushings like Clea.

We're so glad you're on our forum. We've learned so much from all your
postings. (Do we leave you time for your practice?)

Tom and Maria
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:06:24 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: I'll be back
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I'm not running off. I'll just be out of town for a week, so I'm turning the
list off.

Everybody give your little lovers a big hug for me.

 

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:27:54 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Arthur
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Tom,

I do still have time to practice.....I do full time relief work in about 6
clinics, so I am "on the road" every day with four doggies in tow!

One thing I was thinking about for all our dogs who have arthritis is
acupunture. I have a friend who is certified in veterinary acupuncture and she
is going to help Arthur with his arthritis pain starting next week. He is
going to go stay at her clinic one or two days a week and have treatment while
I work. She says it works well for many ( I have had her do my horse and it
worked great!) so I feel like it is worth dropping him in for a few weeks to
see what happens. If any of you are interested, there are quite a few vets
interested in alternative therapies now, so ask your regular vet if they know
of anyone in your area.

 

Lisa

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:47:36 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Alternative vets
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LisaVann wrote:
> If any of you are interested, there are quite a few vets
> interested in alternative therapies now, so ask your regular vet if they know
> of anyone in your area.

The following web site lists vets who are
practioners of alternative veterinary medicine:
http://www.altvetmed.com/toc.html

The area code listed for my vet isn't right, though--
area code split in this area quite a while ago--so I don't know
how accurate all of the posted information is. It's a
starting point, though!

For vets who can perform acupuncture:
IVAS (International Veterinary Acupuncture Society)
P.O. Box 2074
Nederland, CO 80466-2074

Phone: 303-449-7936
Fax: 303-449-8312

Contact Person: Donna Watkins, Assistant

And: for a holistic vet:
American Holistic Veterinary Medicine Association
Phone #: (410) 569-0795.

Jeri kurvenal@ameritech.net

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:40:57 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ear Infections
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Just wanted to let you all know that I checked with my Vet today on some
of the *helpful hints* that have been passed on here for ear
infections. Unfortunately, Schonus has an inner ear infection and my
Vet advised me that if I even use an ear cleanser it would probably hurt
him. So I had to made a decision today which I wanted to treat...the
ear infection or his staph infection.....!! On top of that Schonus'
thyroid tests came back "very very" low so he is now starting Soloxine.
Is this life long treatment also?

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:45:32 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Arthur
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Lisa.....

I would like to join with Tom, Maria, Clea, Timmy & Little Rosti to say
thank you also for all your help....It's greatly appreciated!

Just one question...with all your "kids" and practice...when do you find
time for yourself!!

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:54:33 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Episode
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Judy.....

If you call your Vet after hours, doesn't he have an answering service
so you can check in case you need to start the pred before morning? I
think it depends on your dog's weight on how much to give...I'm not
sure. I can't tell you how MANY times I've called my Vet after
hours......he/she won't mind...I'm sure...

Please let us know how you make out...

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:01:03 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl
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Hi All,
This was posted on the poodle list. Not sure what the implications of
this are, but thought I'd pass it on...

-- Liza and Boomer
(STILL waiting for test results on kind of Cushings Boomer has!)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:34:22 -0700
From: "John A. Campbell" <dhubhne@adnc.com>
Subject: PSG: Cushing's Diseade

Pfizer Animal Health Group has acqired global distribution rights for
Anipryl. This drug is used for the treatment of Cushing's disease in
dogs.

John

PSG: Poodle Support Group : Visit us at: http://www.poodle.org/psg

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:09:13 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hypothyroidism
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Yes, hypothyroidism does require life long treatment, but I believe
Cushing's can cause low thyroid, and if you get the Cushing's under
control the thyroid should balance out. Someone correct me if I'm
wrong.
Boomer was initially diagnosed with low thyroid and after several
months on Soloxine, his levels were even lower. That is when we tested
for Cushing's. I read that Cushings is often misdiagnosed as
hypothyroidism, until the other symptoms kick in -- increase appetite,
thirst, urination -- which is what happened with Boomer.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:40:57 -0300
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ear Infections

<snip>
On top of that Schonus thyroid tests came back "very very" low so he is
now starting Soloxine. Is this life long treatment also?

Linda & Schonus
<snip>

 

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:13:24 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Me Again!
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Well, Mollie Bear got her test results back today. Good and Bad. The good
is that her Cushings is in perfect control. The bad is that we start insulin
injections tomorrow. So all the symptoms that I've been seeing that past few
weeks have been diabetes.
I'm really nervous about this. So let me know what to expect and lie to me
that everything will be ok and that it's easy to do this.
Got home today to see a "pod dog"--something has taken my Mollie Bear away.
She's so affectionate all of a sudden. I'm not used to that. She generally
has the personality of a cat (a rather large cat at 58 lbs.) where she doesn't
want to be bothered. But I guess she's tired of all the poking and prodding
and doesn't mind her mom hugging and kissing her today.
Thanks for all your support. Everyone here is the best!
Debbie & Mollie Bear

** I'll try to find a good picture and send to you. Leslie: what's the snail
mail address? ( I had to take the Terrible Ted story to work today! )

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:14:49 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Soloxine
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Hi Liza....

When Schonus was tested for Cushing's .. his thyroid was checked also.
At that time it was normal but his LDDS test result was 326. He has
been on Lysodren for a few months now but his thyroid level apparently
got very ,, very low. Go figure??? Are blood tests required??? How
often or does the Vet decide that?

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:31:13 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Moaning
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Is anyone noticing or maybe I should say hearing their "pup" moan?
Schonus is moaning almost constantly when he's laying down.

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:16:35 -0400
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bo is having crisis
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Dear listmembers,
I took Bo to the vet this morning. He had spit up several more times
during the night. Problem is, the vet is not exactly sure what is going
on, and we're just trying to get his vomiting under control. He is very
"quiet" in his affect and hardly responds at all to voice . But he does
still move around o.k. and get up on sofa to sleep. Problem is, he can't
keep anything down right now. He keeps wanting to drink water (not as
much as when his Cushings is out of control) but when he does he spits
up the liquid in short ordeHis last stim test showed that his adrenal
output was a little high, so its hard to see how he could be having
crisis from too much supression (requiring prednisone. His other
bloodwork was normal (as of two weeks ago). I am going to call specialty
clinic where he was first treated for Cushings tomorrow - unfortunately
the doctor that treated him left several months ago. The doctor this
morning said to keep him quiet, wait till tomorrow morning and see if he
will eat ground beef and rice. if he doesn't show some improvement by
tomorrow, he wants to hospitalize him, and that really scares me, I
don't want him in the hospital, i'm afraid it will put him over the
edge. I just needed to vent a little, cause I'm really worried. If
anyone has homeopathic remedies for his vomiting, please let me know. I
did give him some pepto bismol (on vets advice) earlier this afternoon,
and it does seem to have helped a little.
Judy

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:17:48 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hypothyroidism
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Liza Klosterman wrote:
> Yes, hypothyroidism does require life long treatment

For those of us on the list with
dogs who are hypothyroid, this might be worth looking at:

http://www.vita-tech.com/articles/thyroid.htm

Dr. Dodds is one of the leading authorities on canine
thyroid disorders.
It's important to test both T3 and T4 values, (just testing
for T4 values can be misleading, and improperly diagnose
a thyroid condition), and follow-up testing should test
T3 and T4, as well as absorption of the thyroid supplement,
(which is generally soloxine).
Jeri

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:59:43 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Arthur
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In a message dated 98-04-23 15:06:39 EDT, you write:

<< Thanks for sharing Arthur's story with us and how you caught his early
diagnosis. He's lucky to own such a caring vet. >>

And your patients are lucky to have someone knowledgable about such a
confusing disease. To have a doctor who can relate and understand what we
cushing's parents are going through would be wonderful! We are very happy to
have you on the forum! Debbie & Mollie

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:05:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Soloxine
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Liza

You mentioned Boomer had low thyroid. Do you know what his count was? My
Dudley was low/normal. The vet said normal was between 1 and 4 and Dudley's
was 1.1. We haven't treated that, he felt that it was ok, but that was before
we knew he had cushings. I'll be curious to see if his count improves.

Thanks Jan Glover, Seattle

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Moaning
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Linda,

Funny you should bring this up. Dudley has done this for awhile now. Just
as he's going into the sitting postion before he lays all the way down he
lets out a little whimper. I thought maybe a little arthritis, but I don't
know, he's almost 6 yrs old.

Jan Glover, Seattle

 

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:53:13 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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YES, Mollie moans and whines a lot. It really worries me too. I don't want
her to suffer. My vet told me that it was the overabundance of steroids
circulating--until we found out that part was in good shape. So I don't know
what's causing her to whine. Wish she could talk. Debbie & Mollie
Bear

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:14:36 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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L Boyce wrote:
>
> Is anyone noticing or maybe I should say hearing their "pup" moan?
> Schonus is moaning almost constantly when he's laying down.
>
> Linda & Schonus

Yes!!! Just little grunts/moans, but not really like he's in pain. The
vet said his lungs sound fine, though.

Sandy

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:25:13 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Moaning
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Yeah, my dog moans a lot. It makes me feel really bad. Sounds like she's in
pain. I give her massages.

At 07:31 PM 4/23/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Is anyone noticing or maybe I should say hearing their "pup" moan?
>Schonus is moaning almost constantly when he's laying down.
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:29:25 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
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It means it's gotten more expensive!

At 04:01 PM 4/23/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Hi All,
> This was posted on the poodle list. Not sure what the implications of
>this are, but thought I'd pass it on...
>
>-- Liza and Boomer
>(STILL waiting for test results on kind of Cushings Boomer has!)
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:34:22 -0700
>From: "John A. Campbell" <dhubhne@adnc.com>
>Subject: PSG: Cushing's Diseade
>
>Pfizer Animal Health Group has acqired global distribution rights for
>Anipryl. This drug is used for the treatment of Cushing's disease in
>dogs.
>
>John
>
>PSG: Poodle Support Group : Visit us at: http://www.poodle.org/psg
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:55:08 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re. moaning
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Hi,
Ted makes noises in his throat that sound cross between a grunt and a
moan (we call it grundling) and he seems to have no pain or discomfort with
it. The vet says that it could be due to a partial prolapse of the muscles
in his trachea. It doesn't seem to inhibit his breathing in any way and our
initial panic over it has dimmed. In fact, when he's sleeping at night we
have come to recognize it as a comforting background noise. When he really
gets into a deep sleep the breathing changes initiate a warbling sound and I
can often feel the bed shake with my wife's suppressed laughter. Of course,
I have to join in and we both end up in an uproarious laughing fest. Really,
its relief that our little buddy is doing something so normal to him that we
are overjoyed and the laughter is therapy.
He is in a loading period for Lysodren and had a lapse when his steroid
level was out of kilter. He spent a day and a half in the best place - our
vet's clinic and they were able to stabilise him. On his return he wouldn't
eat any of the 'normal' hard dog foods and we spoiled him on chicken breast
and a concentrated doggie delight of beef and liver. However, I wanted to
get some roughage into him and tried sprinkling a teaspoon of Missing Link
on the dried food. He put his head down and his backside up and scarfed the
lot without taking a breath. He seems to love it. Looking at the label of
contents I would say that it is a health food and have since learned from
Ada BRANN, who markets it out of California, that there is a human version.
Seems that so much we give our dogs is good for us, but I draw the line at a
beef bone on the rug.
Regards to all.
Dave ROBERTS

 

 

 

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:08:49 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Moaning
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>Is anyone noticing or maybe I should say hearing their "pup" moan?
>Schonus is moaning almost constantly when he's laying down.
>
>Linda & Schonus

Penny has always done that and Bo does the moaning thing all the time and
he doesn't have Cushing's.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.

 

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:32:26 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections
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Soloxine is forever, but it is at least inexpensive and a very small pill!

Lisa

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:34:39 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Arthur
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I figure the time and money I spend on the dogs cats and horses is time and
money spent on ME!

 

P.S.

I just bought a new horse over the phone last night........if you guys stop
seeing me here you will know it is because Norm killed me over it!!!! LOL (
Just kidding, as long as he doesn't have to clean stalls , he is happy for me
tohave them!)
Lisa

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:38:59 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Debbie,

I had read in some obtuse British veterinary medical text that Cushing's dogs
will often show aloofness and sometimes even avoid contact with caretakers and
other animals in the household. Arthur did this to some degree, preferring to
stay in his crate with the door open unless there was some sort of food
activity going on. Since he has been on his Anipryl, though , he is much more
social. I am not sure this occurs in all Cushy dogs or why it happens, but I
have heard several people mention it.

Lisa

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:45:32 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Arthur sometimes "grunts " when changing positions on the floor, but never
when he is up moving around. I can palpate his cranial abdomen and he will
tense and grunt, so I am assuming that maybe he has a bit of abdominal
discomfort around the area of his liver/gall bladder. We have ultrasounded
his liver and gall bladder and the tissue seems to echo normally, but the
liver is quite large. Maybe something similar is going on with your kids.

 

Lisa

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:58:59 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bo
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Judy.....

Poor little Bo! Schonus and I are fighting for him!! Is Bo taking the
Pepto okay? I tried giving Schonus the liquid form one time and it went
all over everything but inside him...he hated it. I then bought the
pills and had no problem. Please keep us posted and give him a great
big hug from us all...

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:04:37 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
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Anipryl hotline is 1-800-366-5288 Since they sell the Anipryl for treatment
of cushings, I would think anyone could ask a cushings related question.
The person who answered the phone seemed to be someone who would only answer
basic questions. If it was technical then she would refer to the vets.
chester
-----Original Message-----
From: Liza Klosterman <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test

 

>What is the anipryl hotline? Can anyone use it?
>
>-- Liza
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:36:00 -0400
>Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
>To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
>Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
>
>I talked to aniipryl hotline and he gave me the range of values for the
>=
>ACTH stimulation test which showed Gretle at 28 as being high enough to
>=
>be definitely diagnostic of cushings but noted that the test does not =
>distinguish between pituitary and adrenal. =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chester b. smith <chesterb@penn.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu =
><cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 4:14 PM
> Subject: How to clarify diagnosis
> =20
> =20
> I have a dachshund diagnosed only by pd/pu, acth stimulation test =
>with baseline cortisol 7.1 ug/dl and post acth stim cortisol of 28.4 =
>ug/dl, high BG and high ALB, ALKP, Ca, CHOL and low crea. After almost
>=
>two months on anipryl there is some improvement in blood chem and good =
>control on pd/pu. I have searched the websites and read a number of =
>cushings descriptions and symptoms and the tests used. No one seems =
>able to just say the magic words. Just what does a ACTH stimulation =
>test in the numbers for Gretle mean? Does this differentiate between =
>Pituitary and adrenal? What should the blood chemistry go down to after
>=
>what length of treatment? I need to make some decisions soon on just =
>how far I go in treatment verses Gretle's quality of life. I must make
>=
>these decisions on some objective data which I have not been able to =
>find. I also need enough information to evaluate my Vet and to =
>determine just what level of expertise is needed for Gretle's particular
>=
>condition. Obviously I am not happy with the answers from the Vet so =
>far but what do I know? Everyone says how GOOD a dog Gretle is to put
>=
>up with the tests but I know how much she hates it and there is a limit
>=
>to how much I will subject her to unless I can determine it will be =
>beneficial. I do not know from the research that I have done whether =
>she has a terminal condition or if the anipryl will delay more severe =
>symptoms. The Vet says the ACTH test results proves Cushings and that =
>Anipryl (or lysodren) therapy is indicated. From earlier posts, I know
>=
>that diagnosis is not simple but what test parameters are to what degree
>=
>definitive?
> chester
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:13:35 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: aniipryl hotline
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This was posted earlier as being 1-800-366-5288
-----Original Message-----
From: Liza Klosterman <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test

 

>What is the anipryl hotline? Can anyone use it?
>
>-- Liza
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:36:00 -0400
>Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
>To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
>Subject: Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
>
>I talked to aniipryl hotline and he gave me the range of values for the
>=
>ACTH stimulation test which showed Gretle at 28 as being high enough to
>=
>be definitely diagnostic of cushings but noted that the test does not =
>distinguish between pituitary and adrenal. =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chester b. smith <chesterb@penn.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu =
><cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 4:14 PM
> Subject: How to clarify diagnosis
> =20
> =20
> I have a dachshund diagnosed only by pd/pu, acth stimulation test =
>with baseline cortisol 7.1 ug/dl and post acth stim cortisol of 28.4 =
>ug/dl, high BG and high ALB, ALKP, Ca, CHOL and low crea. After almost
>=
>two months on anipryl there is some improvement in blood chem and good =
>control on pd/pu. I have searched the websites and read a number of =
>cushings descriptions and symptoms and the tests used. No one seems =
>able to just say the magic words. Just what does a ACTH stimulation =
>test in the numbers for Gretle mean? Does this differentiate between =
>Pituitary and adrenal? What should the blood chemistry go down to after
>=
>what length of treatment? I need to make some decisions soon on just =
>how far I go in treatment verses Gretle's quality of life. I must make
>=
>these decisions on some objective data which I have not been able to =
>find. I also need enough information to evaluate my Vet and to =
>determine just what level of expertise is needed for Gretle's particular
>=
>condition. Obviously I am not happy with the answers from the Vet so =
>far but what do I know? Everyone says how GOOD a dog Gretle is to put
>=
>up with the tests but I know how much she hates it and there is a limit
>=
>to how much I will subject her to unless I can determine it will be =
>beneficial. I do not know from the research that I have done whether =
>she has a terminal condition or if the anipryl will delay more severe =
>symptoms. The Vet says the ACTH test results proves Cushings and that =
>Anipryl (or lysodren) therapy is indicated. From earlier posts, I know
>=
>that diagnosis is not simple but what test parameters are to what degree
>=
>definitive?
> chester
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:21:49 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Thyroid Test
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Just got the results of Schonus' Free T4 test....0.2. He goes back in
one month for a blood test for a check.

I finally found tea tree oil....had to drive quite a distance but worth
it. Only have one question...actually two....is it applied only to the
pads or to the pads and the skin in between? Do you directly apply
it..like putting some on your fingers and then rubbing it in or just dab
it on?

Also got some yogurt today with acidophilis bifidus in it. If Schonus
has his way, he'd gobble it all down in one setting! If anyone is using
this I'd be curious to know how much to give him in one day. Do you use
it daily?

Made up my mind if I have to choose between what infections to treat
then by golly I'll go for both of them!!

Linda & Schonus

 

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:51:15 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hypothyroidism
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Jeri,
Thanks for passing on the info and website. I can never read too much
about these diseases.

-- Liza and Boomer

 

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For those of us on the list with
dogs who are hypothyroid, this might be worth looking at:

http://www.vita-tech.com/articles/thyroid.htm

Dr. Dodds is one of the leading authorities on canine
thyroid disorders. It's important to test both T3 and T4 values, (just
testing for T4 values can be misleading, and improperly diagnose
a thyroid condition), and follow-up testing should test
T3 and T4, as well as absorption of the thyroid supplement,
(which is generally soloxine).
Jeri

 

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:06:42 PDT
From: "Troy wilson" <supertroy@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: HELP !!
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I accidently deleted the initial letter for this mailing list and don't
know how to unsubscribe......Couldd someone please tell me how to
unsubscribe.]

Thanx

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:50:21 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Hypothyroidism
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Our Kelly was diagnosed with hypothroidism 14 months ago and has been on 2 tabs
Eltroxin (not sure of the mg. as it's worn off the bottle) per day. At the
time of diagnosis, Cushings was mentioned but our new vet says it doesn't look
as if the further tests were done at the time. Cushings was confirmed
beginning of March and we had high hopes that treatment for that would put his
thyroid levels right but unfortunately that hasn't happened according to blood
tests done 2 weeks ago. The vet wants to repeat these tests in 2 months
apparently - maybe there'll be an improvement by then.......
Ann, John & Kelly from 'downunder'
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

-----Original Message-----
From: Liza Klosterman <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: 24 April 1998 12:21
Subject: Hypothyroidism

 

>Yes, hypothyroidism does require life long treatment, but I believe
>Cushing's can cause low thyroid, and if you get the Cushing's under
>control the thyroid should balance out. Someone correct me if I'm
>wrong.
> Boomer was initially diagnosed with low thyroid and after several
>months on Soloxine, his levels were even lower. That is when we tested
>for Cushing's. I read that Cushings is often misdiagnosed as
>hypothyroidism, until the other symptoms kick in -- increase appetite,
>thirst, urination -- which is what happened with Boomer.
>
>-- Liza and Boomer
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:40:57 -0300
>Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
>To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>Subject: Ear Infections
>
><snip>
> On top of that Schonus thyroid tests came back "very very" low so he is
>now starting Soloxine. Is this life long treatment also?
>
>Linda & Schonus
><snip>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:31:22 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
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I ran across this in a book, and thought it might be
of interest to the list:

"Because antioxidants used in the treatment can create
changes in these hormones (cortisol and thyroid),
observed increases should not be confused with Cushings
or thyroid disease. If a patient has been on antioxidants
(e.g. Vit. A, Vit. E, selenium), and the cortisol and
TSH levels are elevated, the antioxidants should be
discontinued for 3 weeks and the patient retested.
If the patient has these conditions, this protocol
is not recommended."
(The protocol talked about here is: 750 mg. of Vit. C,
760 IU of VIt. A, and 75 IU of VIt. E.)
I saw a simliar comment about Vit. C in another book
as well.
I have my dog on very high doses of Vit. E and Vit. C
for his other diseases, (per the vet's instructions),
and we put him on those quite a while after the
Cushings and hypothyroidism were diagnosed. His thyroid
(T3, T4, and absorption of soloxine), was just retested,
and all looked good, in spite of the high doses of
the supplements, so there are times that the antioxidants
are still appropriate in spite of the hormonal disorders.
(The main purpose for my dog is to treat Wobblers and
degenerative myelapothy.)
Jeri

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:35:17 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: kurvenal@ameritech.net, cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
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What book is this?

Dave

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:59:47 EDT
From: Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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According to many books, hypothyroidism is one of the most common endocrine
diseases of dogs. It is a deficiency of the thyroid hormone, most frequently
caused by the destruction of the thyroid tissue or autoimmune thyroiditis.
This autoimmune response has been linked to genetic predisposition, drug
reactions, metal toxicity, reaction to modified live vaccinations and viral
infections.

There are many signs including: dry skin, overweight, weakness and stiffness,
hair loss on both sides of the body, deposits on the eyelids, emotional
instability, etc.

Although soloxine is pretty much the traditional drug used as a supplement,
there is a natural complex that holistic vets use called "Thyroid Complex"
manufactured by Progressive Laboratories in Texas. It contains the raw
thyroid, pituitary, spleen and adrenal concentrates that are needed to restore
the damaged or weak thyroid tissue. The medicine is apparently much more
natural than the traditional drugs.

My 7 year old cocker spaniel Honey was on the cusp of having hypothyroidism
(with VERY low thyroid numbers), and now is showing higher (and almost
perfect) testing levels of T4 and free T4 by dialysis because of this medicine
and the following diet I put her on:

Foods that I give my cocker include: fruits (especially cantaloupe that is
loaded with Vitamin A), vegetables (especially alfalfa sprouts that contain
many helpful trace minerals and vitamins), 1 teaspoon of flax oil, 1
tablespoon of plain white yogurt, shredded carrots, 2 teaspoons of wheat germ,
and organic meats. Her specific and individual vitamins include: a Canine
Plus multi-vitamin, kelp (gets her thyroid to work better - don't give this
without speaking to your vet because other health problems might not take well
to the kelp), astragalus (to strengthen the immune system against disease),
Ester C (apparently stays in the body longer than Vitamin C), anti-oxidant
especially pycnogenol (VERY important for killing what are called "free
radicals" that destroy blood cells and activate cancer cells; and it
strengthens blood cell walls and vessels) and Coenzyme Q-10 (sparks blood
cells for better heart operations and free radical destruction). I use brewers
yeast, fresh garlic cloves and "Fleas Flee" for the flea and tick repellents.
I also use an herbal collar instead of the others that contain chemicals (the
cost is even cheaper and the herbs naturally repel the bugs because they don't
like the smell of it). I've also been told that the bugs LOVE to hang out on
an immuno-compromised dog's coat.

Many vets also say that some vaccinations may shut down an OLDER pet's immune
system. You can get what is called a vaccination titer test to show if your
pet already has the antibodies for these diseases. If they do, some holistic
vets say that they may not need the additional vaccinations that may
jeopardize their immune system as they get older because the "live" or
"modified" vaccinations throw mechanisms into an already-compromised dog's
body (and they have to fight the new entry).

The best books in the world to get are "The Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog"
by Wendy Volhard and Kerry Brown and "Keep Your Pet Healthy the Natural Way"
by Pat Lazarus. I found them in Barnes and Noble for $22 and $6.

Have you read the book by Cheryl Schwartz called "Four Paws, Five Directions"?
- $24. It is EXCELLENT at taking each major organ and the diseases that can
occur from the weakening of them. She tells you how to strengthen each one
and gives specifics of vitamins, herbs and the actual acupressure points to
massage for each disease.

It appears that many Cushing's dogs also have muscle tenderness. You might
want to call the Animal Fitness Center in Santa Cruz, California. They can
give you a referral for hydrotherapy treatments. The heat and water relax the
muscles and joints and reduce the inflammation.

There are specific points stimulated on a pet's body through veterinary
acupuncture that are involved in the specific organs, even ones for the immune
system itself. There are special points for stimulating the areas of concern.
For about $25-40, you could try a vet acupuncturist to see if this procedure
would initiate more comfort for your dog. The way that vet acupuncture works
is that when a pet has a problem, their body is not in balance. By using
needles and lasers, the acupuncturists releases endorphins and body chemicals
naturally that might otherwise have been closed up or not functioning
properly. The needles and lasers open up these areas so that other body
functions can participate in the whole body's healing and getting back to
normal functions.

There are several key acupuncture points for the flow of blood in a pet. The
vet acupuncturist will know exactly which points should have the painless
needles applied into them.

My brother's dachshund wasn't able to move and they were at their wits end,
thinking that they'd have to unfortunately put the animal to sleep. I
suggested that they take it to a vet acupuncturist. The dachshund can now walk
on one foot and go to the bathroom by itself, whereas before they had to carry
her everywhere. She was also wetting herself each night. Now she can jump up
on one foot to let them know that she has to go out. I'm REALLY happy that
they've had such a positive result. The acupuncturist lets me sister-in-law
come over each day to use the laser massager herself to stimulate and warm the
dachshund's legs.

"The Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog" will also teach you how to read your
pet's blood reports and medical tests. I now always ask for copies of all
tests and check them against the standards listed in this book. By getting a
superchem blood test and a CBC (complete blood count), it is easy for your vet
to analyze what your pet might be lacking. A holistic vet will also prepare a
nutritional analysis of your pet's diet and tell you what's missing (our
nutritional costs $50).

My cocker Clarisse passed away last March and for over a year already, I've
been trying to find out how she developed Cushing's and why her immune system
just shutdown - with no autoimmune symptoms recognized by my vet. She had
blood in her stool, but he attributed it to an allergy. I was told that if he
had recognized it as a possible autoimmune symptom, a blood chemistry test
called an autoimmune panel would have shown that she was on the decline two
months prior to the sudden life-threatening bleeding crisis in her gums, tail,
ears and teeth.

My research into Clarisse's ten years' worth of records and test results, and
conversations with all kinds of vets, Dr. Jean Dodds and other hematologists
and immunologists has led me to a much better understanding of how important a
dog's immune system is.

Most vets agree that "some" medicines such as steroids can induce "some"
Cushing's symptoms or the disease itself. To that end, I have to ask if the
panalog creme I used for her tail rawness, Otomax ear medicine and others
"may" have initiated my cocker's Cushing's disease. She had Cushing's for a
year and a half and was on lysodren during this entire period (Anipryl wasn't
available back then).

I was desparate to save her life last year when she started bleeding and the
vets tried MAJOR drugs to try to save her life. Unfortunately, she needed
blood transfusions until I found a "holistic vet" who explained that we needed
to strengthen her immune system ASAP. After an intravenous Vitamin C drip and
some herbs such as yunnan paiyao were administered, she didn't need any more
transfusions. She lived three full days after we tried the holistic regimen,
and she appeared to be her "normal self". She even tried to bite another
doggie! It appeared to be the only mechanisms that stopped her bleeding
because the traditional drugs weren't working for her (they were tried for 12
days).

I always thought that I had taken care of her very well, but something
initiated this sudden and rapid decline.

Please keep in mind that each dog is different and that some have lived MANY
years after a Cushing's diagnosis.

I just want to make you aware of things that I wasn't when my Clarisse was
critical. I'm pretty sure that if I had known about all of these additional
"options of alternative treatments," my Clarisse might be alive today. She
actually stopped bleeding after herbs and a Vitamin C intravenous protocol
were adopted (items that the more traditional vets were VERY leary about
giving her). I was also told that a few acupuncture sessions might have saved
her since the immune system's pressure points could have been manipulated to
put her blood clotting mechanisms back into balance. Since then, I purchased
Dr. Allen Schoen's "Veterinary Acupuncture" book by Mosley Publishing and have
become familiar with the immune system possibilities. It taught me that there
is even an acupuncture point called "Governing Vessel 26" which can supposedly
bring an unconscious pet back out of a near-death emergency. It's located
under the nose and above the lip.

Some holistic vets even use what's called "Natural Hydrocortisone" as a
prednisone replacement, and they use natural glandular supplements if the dog
is short on adrenal, pituitary, spleen or liver hormonal fluids. Some shy
away from lysodren because of its potential toxicity.

Hopefully, this information can help you, and make you see that your dogs have
many chances at beating their problems once you determine where their
individual immune system deficiencies lie. Holistic vets say that diseases
are an imbalance somewhere in the body that cause other organs or systems to
go overboard and compensate.

My new cocker Honey is DEFINITELY a much stronger girl since I adopted her
last year. What a difference in her coat and energy (most holistic vets say
that the coat is an indication of their inner health, and that the eyes are a
reflection of the status of the liver)!

Visit this web site for holistic vets: www.altvetmed.com

Highlight the "Table of Contents" and then the "AHVMA Directory" and then your
state. A listing of local holistic vets will appear.

Also be aware that some traditional drugs have VERY bad side effects. A
holistic vet will strengthen your pet's immune system with natural vitamins
and herbs.

Do not give these yourself. I am not a doctor, so please visit the site above
to find a holistic vet in your area.

Holistic vets have a superchem blood test that they perform which specifically
analyzes all of the enzymes and tells what major organs are being affected.
They will perform a nutritional analysis and prescribe specific foods,
vitamins and herbs that will strengthen your pet's compromised organs
specifically.

Here's my Clarisse's info and the ways that I've found to strengthen a dog's
immune system. Keep in mind that you have to speak to your own vet - I'm
certainly not a medical specialist:

My 10 1/2 red cocker passed away recently and she had Cushing's for a year and
a half. We went through an enormous ordeal trying to save her and to get
information about the disease.

I have extensive e-mails from immunologists, dog authors, vets and other
cocker owners. I recently adopted another female cocker and have put her on
an alternative holistic regiment. What a difference in her coat, energy and
attentiveness. If I had known about all of these items, I'm sure that my
Clarisse wouldn't have died as suddenly.

This is the text of a report found on America On Line regarding Cushings:

Subject: Re: Cushings Disease-AOL Veterinary Report
From: nanhew@aol.com (NanHew)
Date: 21 Apr 1997 12:07:30 GMT
Message-ID: <19970421120700.IAA10411@ladder01.news.aol.com>

Cushings Disease or Hyperadrenocorticism
Cushings disease is probably more accurately refered to as
hyperadrenocorticism -- the production of too much adrenal hormone, in
particular corticosteroids. It can be naturally occuring or due to
overadministration of corticosteroids such as prednisone (iatrogenic
Cushings). The latter is easy to cure - just cut out the corticosteroid
administration slowly to allow the body to return to normal function. The
former is more difficult.

Hyperadrenocorticism occurs for two reasons --- a tumor of the adrenal
gland that produces adrenal hormones or stimulation of the normal adrenal
glands from the hormones that control it. The primary reason for this to
occur is a pituitary gland tumor that produces excessive ACTH, which
stimulates the adrenal gland to produce corticosteroids. Adrenal gland
tumors account for 15% of the cases of spontaneous hyperadrenocorticism.
Pituitary tumors account for 85%.

Cushing's disease causes increased drinking, increased urination,
increased appetite, panting, high blood pressure, hair loss - usually
evenly distributed on both sides of the body, pendulous abdomen, thinning
of the skin, calcified lumps in the skin, susceptibility to skin
infections and diabetes, weakening of the heart and skeletal muscles,
nervous system disease and other symptoms. Most owners reach a point where
the water consumption and urination become bothersome to them.

The diagnosis of Cushings can be done with several blood tests. A general
hint of Cushing's can be obtained by a blood panel. To confirm it, a test
known as a low dose dexamethasone test is done. A baseline blood sample is
drawn in the morning, an injection of dexamethasone given and a followup
blood test done 8 hours later. In a normal dog, the dexamethasone should
suppress cortisol levels in the blood stream. In Cushing's disease this
effect does not occur. Once the disease is diagnosed, it is possible to
differentiate between the adrenal tumors and pituitary gland tumors using
a second test, a high dose dexamethasone suppression test. Most dogs with
pituitary tumors will have cortisol suppression on this test. There are
other tests used, including ACTH response tests and urine
cortisol/creatinine ratios to diagnose this disease. X-rays and
ultrasonography can help determine if an adrenal gland tumor is present.

If it can be determined that there is an adrenal gland tumor, it can be
removed. Many veterinarians prefer to have a specialist attempt this since
the surgical risks can be high. Pituitary gland tumors are not usually
removed in veterinary medicine. This situation is treated using Lysodren
(o'p'-DDD, which is a relative of DDT) or ketaconazole. Some research with
Deprenyl for treatment of this is being done, too, I think. Lysodren
selectively kills the outer layer of the adrenal gland that produces
corticosteroids. By administering it in proper amounts it is possible to
kill just enough of the gland off to keep the production of
corticosteroids to normal levels. Obviously, close regulation of this
using blood testing is necessary since overdoing it can cause severe
problems with Addison's disease - hypoadrenocorticism. Adverse reactions
to Lysodren occur at times but it is the standard treatment at this time.
Over medication with Lysodren can cause inappetance, vomiting, diarrhea,
lethargy and weakness. If any of these signs occur then your veterinarian
should be immediately notified.

Treatment of Cushing's disease caused by pituitary tumors is symptomatic
therapy -- it does not cure the pituitary tumor. The average lifespan of
dogs diagnosed with Cushings, with or without treatment is estimated at 2
years by Dr. Mark Peterson, but in a recent conversation with another
endocrinologist I came away with the impression that this was an "educated
guess" rather than the result of extensive survey of Cushing's patients.
At present, though, I think that treatment should be viewed as a means of
providing a better quality lifestyle rather than as a method of extending
longevity. Mike Richards, DVM

 

Some holistic vets believe that Cushing's makes their bodies too acidity
(increase in Alkaline Phosphatase) on their blood tests. Although I am NOT a
doctor or animal specialist, and you should speak with your own vet, I suggest
that you read my following info and educate yourself as much as you can.

Get copies of ALL of your dog's blood results and compare the numbers (even
follow the numbers from when they were a pup). Our vet NEVER told us that
Clarisse had abnormal out-of-range numbers and they certainly increased to her
detriment. I asked every time that she was tested if she was OK, and he said
yes (she was tested every 6 weeks for pre and post ACTH).

There are natural pituitary and adrenal complexes from Progressive
Laboratories that you might want to consider. Also, do anything you can to
increase your pet's immune system, which could include a natural diet - since
many commercial foods have supposedly cancer-inducing preservatives in them
(such as BHA, BHT and ethoxyquin), vitamins, herbs and supplements (seek out a
holistic vet for this. Don't do it yourself).

Also, talk to your vet about having a T4 with free dialysis thyroid profile
done. We were told after Clarisse's death that Cushing's dramatically effects
the thyroid, and some vets suggest giving natural gland supplements to
strengthen all of these endocrine systems. By the way, these are all
considered hormonal problems.

Dr. Jean Dodd is the leading immunologist and runs a dog blood bank in LA.
Her number is 310-828-4804.

Cushings:

"It is either adrenalin-based or pituitary-based. To find out, you would want
to perform an ultrasound on your pet's front end of the kidneys (there are 2
glands). This will tell you if there is a tumor there. If a tumor is found,
surgical incision followed by glucocorticoid supplements is the treatment of
choice. With the pituitary type (by ruling out the other), lysodren
chemotherapy is needed. Your pet would be on a prescribed amount each week
and you would have to get the ACTH stimulation test and Dexamthasone
suppression tested every month of so. It is a very tricky procedure because
you're basically killing off the extra adrenalin fluid that the pet has in its
body.

Cushing's disease is the result of excessive secretion of ACTH by the
pituitary gland or tumors of the adrenal glands. Clinical signs include:
increased thirst and urination, increased panting, obesity, swollen eyelids,
calcium deposits on the skin (small bumps- especially check the paws) and
weakness."

According to one holistic book, when having a CBC (complete blood count),
these levels will be increased since your last blood report results: glucose,
alkaline phosporous, cholesterol, sodium and cortisol. These will be
decreased: BUN and potassium. After a urinalysis, the specific gravity will
be often decreased under 1.007.

It is VERY important to be aware of these 2 things, which I was never told
about, even though I had two vets during this time period. The holistic books
say that you "MUST" give your pet a nutritional vitamin supplement AND it is
suggested that you "DO NOT" give the monthly heartworm medication (use the
daily since it has a smaller dosage of chemicals). The adrenal glands will
not function without adequate vitamin B complex, vitamin C, minerals and the
amino acid called tyrosine.

I recently had a 10 1/2 year old female red cocker who was in the hospital for
2 weeks with an autoimmune disease of thrombocytopenia (ITP). My Clarisse
passed away from DIC (disseminated intravascular coagulation), heart collapse
and lung crackles last March 23. Unfortunately, she was very critical even
with the $5,000 that we spent on traditional and last-minute holistic
medicines and varied vet care.

Susan: I am trying to get to the bottom of what might have initiated
Clarisse's bleeding disorder. She was on lysodren for Cushing's disease for 1
1/2 years; Interceptor heartworm; Program flea monthly pills; and the usual
distemper, parvo, rabies and lyme vaccinations. (By the way, there's a HUGE
controversy lately about vaccinating older dogs and those with decreased
immune systems such as dogs with Cushing's and other diseases). She also was
placed on Hill's Prescription r/d diet and lost 9 pounds.

We took - what we thought - was excellent care of her. She was always at the
vet's if she appeared abnormal or sick. I always kept a very close watch on
her vital and emotional signs.

The holistic vet believes that she was possibly in toxic overload from drugs,
and the traditional vets say this was not a top initiator because signs of
toxicity would have shown up in her blood. There were more than enough blood
tests done including daily platelet checks at the hospital. She never was
able to substain more than 30,000 blood platelets. Her bone marrow test
showed that she was more than capable of producing the platelets. She was
bleeding in her intestines. They also did a tick serology test.

They had her on predisnone, immuran, cytoxin and vincristaline for a week and
a half. She had about 8 blood transfusions. After trying to convince the
traditional hospital vets for a day and a half to use our "other" holistic
medicines, they finally gave them to Clarisse, including: lithospirum, yunna
paiyao, and Vitamins C and K. After these medicines were administered, her
old sweet doggie behaviors surfaced and she didn't need her every day and a
half blood transfusions.

Here are some responses when I gave on-line vets Clarisse's info while she was
alive:

"Check with your homeopathic vet first, but what you need to do is build up
her immune system...I would suggest Vit E 400 IU, 500mg Ester-C and Selenium
100 MICROgrams per day. Also, a subligual form of Co enzyme Q 10...you or
your vet can get it from Food Science...have you or your vet been in touch
with W. Jean Dodds at (310) 828-4804 or (714)252-8455...she would be a GREAT
resource. Best Regards, Susan

Bill and Laura, If your vet questions the Vit E, explain that Vit E has
another function other than as an antioxidant...the Phytal tail
intercalculates w/ the Arachicdonic residues in the lipid bylayer and
physically stabilizes the cell membrane. All immune functions are cell
membrane mediated ...keeping the receptor sites at their optimum
'conformation' or three dimensional structure also maximizes the immune
response..or so the theory goes<grin> Selenium and E have a synergistic
relationship in that Selenium keeps recycling the E and E keeps Selenium at
the +2 oxidation state-where it is most effective. I suggest Ester-C over
ascorbic acid as it's pH is neutral and doesn't upset the GI tract, also the
brushborder cells take up the calcium and act like tiny time release capsules
so the C is not simply 'pissed' away. Again best regards, Susan

I am surprised that vitamin K was not one of the first things the vet did in
an attempt to increase coagulation. You have an animal that has many things
wrong with it, so it is obviously very difficult to figure out what the
triggering event(s) might have been. I do not know what impact a pituitary
tumor (Cushing's Disease) might have on the other problems. Could your dog
have gotten into any snail poisons or rodenticides, either directly or
indirectly? There are a number of things that can cause colonic bleeding, a
gastroenteritis for example.

If this were my dog, I would talk to my co-author Susan Thorpe-Vargas (PhD in
immunology) and to W. Jean Dodds, DVM who knows a whole lot about
transfusions, hematology, thyroid dysfunction, and immunology. She is the
founder and operator of HemoPet in Los Angeles, a blood bank for pets. I
would have your vet(s) call her immediately. Have them give my name and
Susan's. Dr. Dodds has also published several times on adverse reactions to
ivermectin and milbemycin (Heartgard and Interceptor). My view is that while
these reactions are rare, they are more common in immunocompromised dogs. Or
at least the literature pushes me in that direction.

Good luck and let me know how you make out.

Laura

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:11:13 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bo
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Linda,

I had to LOL at your post. I've been told to give Muffin Pepto on more than
one occasion and more of it ended up on me, the walls, the floor and her fur
than in her tummy! Amazing the amount of loft and distance she could put on
the stuff! I was told by my vet that the pill form of Pepto doesn't work
for dogs. I didn't understand this and still don't. I would hope it would
be better to give the pill than nothing.

Thanks for the laugh,

Wendy & Muffin

 

L Boyce wrote:

> Judy.....
>
> Poor little Bo! Schonus and I are fighting for him!! Is Bo taking the
> Pepto okay? I tried giving Schonus the liquid form one time and it went
> all over everything but inside him...he hated it. I then bought the
> pills and had no problem. Please keep us posted and give him a great
> big hug from us all...
>
> Linda & Schonus

 

 

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:15:48 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bo
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Linda,

I was LOL at your post about Bo and Pepto. I've been told on more than one
occasion to give Muffin some Pepto and don't even try anymore. There was
more on the walls, floor, me, her body than got inside her! You could call
it a violent dislike. :-) I asked my vet if she could take the pill form
instead, but was told it didn't work for dogs. I didn't understand then,
and still don't now. Wonder why?

Thanks for the laugh,

Wendy & Muffin

L Boyce wrote:

> Judy.....
>
> Poor little Bo! Schonus and I are fighting for him!! Is Bo taking the
> Pepto okay? I tried giving Schonus the liquid form one time and it went
> all over everything but inside him...he hated it. I then bought the
> pills and had no problem. Please keep us posted and give him a great
> big hug from us all...
>
> Linda & Schonus

 

 

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:49:34 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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For those of you who have hypothyroid dogs:

Heska has come out with a new chewable thyroid supplement that the dogs really
seem to like and it seems to me that we get better control over levels with it
because the chewable form is better absorbed. We have had some dogs on 0.8 mg
tablets for years, and have had to decrease the dose after putting on the
Heska product. I am guessing that they have better absorption.

Just a thought....
Lisa

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:51:39 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Thyroid Test
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If a free T4 test is not very accurate...then why is it done???

Linda

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:57:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Sorry if I'm asking too many thyroid questions...but I've got another
one. We were told to bring Schonus back in one month to recheck his
thyroid. Is there any chance he can become hyper instead of hypo before
one month? What should I look for?

Linda

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:27:03 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Thyroid Pills
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Lisa....

If your hubby gets too mad about the horse, you can come and stay here
til he cools down *L*. I just checked out Heska's home page. I'm so
tired of pushing pills and a chewable tablet is so much easier to give!
Schonus thinks they are treats. I am definitely going to see if I can
get them instead!

Once again....THANK YOU!

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:00:46 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hypothyroidism
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Ann, John and Kelly

Good luck to you on Kelly's diagnosis. My lab, Rosie, has Cushing's and has
just completed her loading dose of Lysodren and started maintenance this week.
She is also receiving insulin to control the high blood glucose at this time
and we hope that along with the Cushing's treatment this will eventually
stablized without the continued use of insulin. After her loading dose, she
tested hypoadrenal. We are treating her with a maintenance dose of Lysodren
for two weeks and will do another ACTH stim test at that time. Also, her
urine glucose has been med to high all week so we are increasing her insulin
tomorrow to 15 units twice a day. This seems to help her feel better, so I am
excited about the increase. It gets scary when we ignore the increase for as
long as we have this week. My vet says it is better than having a hypo
incident.

I am still learning about Cushing's as many of us are, but I have not heard
anything about Hypothyroidism. Can you fill me in on what you know about this
subject or maybe someone else can speak to it for us.

Thanks and again, good luck to you all.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:19:34 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi -

Vincent just ate a rubber band! Should I worry? I hate to bother my
vet at home.

I was letting him lick the cake batter out of a bowl. I rubber-banded
his ears together (Spaniel) to keep them out of the goo, and the rubber
band fell out of his ears into the bowl and he ate it before I could
stop him. Will it pass, should I call the vet tonight? Ayone have any
experience with this sort of thing?

Thanks for any advice,

Sandy and the hairy walking garbage can (Vincent)

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:27:28 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Lisa: Rosie groans like that went she is lying down or adjusting her position
also. I wonder if it is her joints. Also, when her blood glucose is high I
have noticed it is worse. She is also receiving insulin to treat a diabetic
treatment we believe to be Cushing's induced. We have successfully reduced
her insulin but are increasing it tomorrow. I noticed her groaning this
evening. Her urine glucose has been med to high all week. Maybe a
connection?

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:30:25 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Lisa:

Rosie is an extremely social dog. The only time she has been anti-social is
when she is really feeling bad. That usually means high blood glucose.
Hopefully we will get her Lysodren maintenance dose figured out within the
next couple of weeks to a month and begin to regulate/decrease her insulin
dependence again.

Hope this helps.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:11:11 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Acupuncture (Was:Re: Hypothyroidism)
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Glimpact wrote:
> There are several key acupuncture points for the flow of blood in a pet. The
> vet acupuncturist will know exactly which points should have the painless
> needles applied into them.

Even if you decide to try acupressure at home--which can help a great
deal--
it's a good idea to have an acupuncturist show you which points need to
be used--and how they should be used. (How much pressure--light touch or
strong touch? For how long? You use different approaches depending on
whether you're treating a condition of excess or deficiency, etc.)
The energy blockages for each individual can be different, even if
they have the same disease as far as Western medicine is concerned,
and might need to be treated differently from the Chinese medicine
point of view. You can create problems by treating the wrong points--
you can create imbalances in the energy, and cause illness.
(I'm currently studying Chinese medicine, so though I'm not an
expert, I know that much is true!)
And, the points needed can vary over time, so it would be best to
have periodic visits to the acupuncturist, even if you'll do most
of the treatment on your own. I have 2 different acupuncturists
check my dogs once/month each, (so they get 2 checks each month),
so I can be sure that I'm using the right acupressure points.
Their herbs and vitamins are also reevaluted at each visit--are
they still appropriate, at the right dose, etc.?

> The acupuncturist lets me sister-in-law
> come over each day to use the laser massager herself to stimulate and warm the
> dachshund's legs.

I've been told by a few acupuncturists that I respect that using a laser
is fine once/week, but more than that will eventually cause the
treatment to be ineffective--acupuncture will no longer work.
I think that I have some research saved somewhere on my hard drive
to back that up, too--if anyone is interested, and if I can find it,
I could pass it along. BTW, acupuncture or acupressure daily is fine--
just not the use of the laser, from what I've been told. (I have
a laser that I use for my dogs, which is why I checked into that....)

> It taught me that there
> is even an acupuncture point called "Governing Vessel 26" which can supposedly
> bring an unconscious pet back out of a near-death emergency. It's located
> under the nose and above the lip.

It works well for seizures too, (I've used it for that), and most
emergency situations. But, be very careful to avoid being bit by
a panicked animal.

> Also be aware that some traditional drugs have VERY bad side effects. A
> holistic vet will strengthen your pet's immune system with natural vitamins
> and herbs.

Please have an expert prescribe the vitamins and herbs, too,
though--they
can have bad side effects too, especially if not used appropriately.
Over-the-counter isn't always an indication of safety. And, because
over-the-counter herbs can have varying amounts of the herb in them,
(which may not match what is on the label), and may have things in
them that aren't listed on the label, it's important to find a
reliable source for them. And, for those on the list using the
traditional medications--they certainly have their place too.
Sometimes the most effective approach combines the best of
both worlds, (the best traditional treatments along with
the best alternative treatments.) What is best for any
individual will vary, along with a person's level of comfort
in using the approach--and it's important to be comfortable
with the approach too.
Jeri

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:11:18 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Pepto Bismo (Was: Re: Bo)
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Wendy wrote:
> I had to LOL at your post. I've been told to give Muffin Pepto on more than
> one occasion and more of it ended up on me, the walls, the floor and her fur
> than in her tummy! Amazing the amount of loft and distance she could put on
> the stuff! I was told by my vet that the pill form of Pepto doesn't work
> for dogs.

I'm not sure how you were trying to give the liquid version, but using
an oral syringe works well. Not completely without making a mess, but
that's because I've always been in a panic when giving it, and giving
it to a Great Dane who was also panicking, and who hates DiGel, (which
is what we use). He had stomach torsion, and has bloated a few times
since, and DiGel can sometimes get the bloat under control--or at
least buy us a little time while we head to the emergency clinic--
so I dose him with DiGel at those times. I've tried using the
tablets, and can vouch for the fact that they don't work as well--
must be that less of the simethicone (the active ingredient) gets
absorbed?? There are a lot of books that illustrate how to use
an oral syringe--and it does work! Jeri

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:11:35 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
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Adrenal wrote:
> What book is this?

Sorry--I should have mentioned that!
It came from: "Complementary and Alternative
Veterinary Medicine: Principles and Practice",
which is the new book edited by Allen M. Schoen, DVM
and Susan G. Wynn, DVM.
The additional comment that I found on Vit. C was in
"Four Paws Five Directions", by Cheryl Schwartz, DVM,
and says to use Vit. C "in moderate doses, as higher
levels may intefere with the thyroid's
hormone production." (p. 379 in my version of the book).
Both are respected books, as I understand it. Jeri

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:00:09 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
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In a message dated 4/24/1998 11:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dogdazed@sprintmail.com writes:

<< Vincent just ate a rubber band! Should I worry? I hate to bother my
vet at home. >>

Sandy,

Years ago, my Jessie (geriatric standard poodle with Cushings) ate a pin
cushion -- complete with straight pins, late on a Saturday night (always the
best time for an emergency). I panicked, called the emergency vet clinic, and
they actually said not to bring her in. They said the only thing they could do
was exploratory surgery, which they didn't recommend, and that the best
strategy was to keep an eye on her, and if I noticed any obvious discomfort or
bleeding, to call back.

I stayed awake all night. Jessie, however, slept like a baby. She never did
exhibit any side effects, I never saw any pins in her stool (it's possible she
didn't eat any, but not likely, given the state of the pin cushion).

Another dog that I had years ago used to swallow large chunks of vinyl toys,
and they just passed through her. A few of the toys were glow-in-the-dark,
which made for some interesting-looking night-time poops.

My own guess with the rubber band is that it will pass, but if Vincent shows
the least bit of discomfort, wake your vet up!

Jackie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:02:28 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Chester:

I just wrote a "Hang on a Little Longer" note to Brenda. Maybe she will copy
the Cushing's list for you, I forgot to send it to the list and replied
directly to her.

It is difficult at first I will be the first to agree. However, I have seen
Rosie improve on many days even though she is not quite regulated I can see a
light at the end of the tunnel. If I can have her for 2-3 years longer in a
state like some of her good days then I have to take that risk. It is painful
to us as owners to go through this process and deal with the mortality of our
pets. At least it is to me. It's scary! But I cannot let me feelings stop
me from helping one of my best friends for the last 12 years!

So, I keep telling myself to hang on a little longer and things are going to
even out. Two weeks, four weeks are not so long in the big scheme of things
and will seem so worth it in the end. I was not able to help my male Lab two
years ago like I am able to help Rosie and you what......she knows how much I
am helping her and we have bonded together more than I thought was ever
possible. We have been fighting this horrible disease since the first of
March and I would not change a thing if I had the decision to do over again.

It is not easy and I know you will make the best decision for you. Afterall,
we are the ones that have to live with our decisions. Good luck and hang in
there a little longer.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:31:45 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Arthur
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Lisa:

Congratulations on the horse! Enjoy!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:21:27 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Linda & Schous:

I will attempt to answer your question about the load in phase in Lysodren. I
looked briefly and didn't see a reply. I will apologize for my crude answer,
but I am learning also. Sometimes just enough to be dangerous if you know
what I mean!

The load in phase is to target the first layer of the adrenal glands that
creates cortisone. The amount of Lysodren is important because if you treat
with too much you can also affect the second layer which controls the sodium
and potassium levels in the blood. If this happens you end up with a dog that
has Addison's disease instead of Cushing's. Addison's is the opposite of
Cushing's. Hypoadrenal vs. Hyperadrenal.

In fact, in Rosie's ACTH stim test Monday she tested low (.3 for the pre test
and 1.9 post test). My vet was hoping for 1-5 pre and 8-17 post. So Rosie
reacted too well to the Lysodren. He feels that she will retain cortisone
production with the reduction in Lysodren. I hope he is right.

Well, that's the best I can do for starters. Hope it helped a little.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:31:57 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
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Vincent should pass the rubber band ok......feed him a bowl of bran cereal and
that shoud help him to push it thru....

Lisa

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:35:55 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
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Thanks Jackie -

I don't plan on getting much sleep tonight either. I guess I'll set the
alarm & check him every hour or so. Good thing I never had any kids. I
would eventually have gone mad, I'm sure.

Sandy and Vincent

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:36:54 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Scott and Jake

How many millograms of Lysodren is Jake getting and how often. Rosie is a
yellow lab and she has been started on 250 mg. twice a week.

Thanks.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:42:48 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
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Sandy,

It will be ok....rubber bands don't have sharp edges.......go on and get your
rest! You will need it to keep up with Vincent tomorrow!

Lisa

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:01:42 -0400
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bo
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Thought I'd let you folks know that Bo seems significantly, though not
completely, better today. I figured out he was having a crisis from too
much adrenal suppression. Gave him a prednisone this a.m., plus started
giving him the anti-vomit pills the vet gave me (he told me not to start
them yesterday though). Anyhow, bo actually ate something (hamburger and
rice) this afternoon and again this evening. He spit up some the first
time, till I gave him the anti vomit pill, which is called Amphoral. Vet
says they coat the stomach like pepto bismol.

By the way, I used a syringe to give bo pepto biz yesterday - i've had
enough experience of the flying pink stuff variety with other dogs to
know better than to try giving it any other way. It's amazing how far
that stuff can travel with the shake of a doggy head. Anyhow, my
technique is to syringe it toward the back of the tongue. Not perfect,
but it does work well.

Thanks for all your notes of support.
Judy

 

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:06:35 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Pepto Bismo (Was: Re: Bo)
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I was definitely using the oral syringe, but trying to hold a violently struggling
dog who knows what's coming and trying to keep it in her cheek pocket and trying
to get the Pepto in....... She's figured out a very efficient way of shaking her
head at the critical moment to destribute the Pepto in a wide arc ;-)

Wendy

Jeri wrote:

> Wendy wrote:
> > I had to LOL at your post. I've been told to give Muffin Pepto on more than
> > one occasion and more of it ended up on me, the walls, the floor and her fur
> > than in her tummy! Amazing the amount of loft and distance she could put on
> > the stuff! I was told by my vet that the pill form of Pepto doesn't work
> > for dogs.
>
> I'm not sure how you were trying to give the liquid version, but using
> an oral syringe works well. Not completely without making a mess, but
> that's because I've always been in a panic when giving it, and giving
> it to a Great Dane who was also panicking, and who hates DiGel, (which
> is what we use). He had stomach torsion, and has bloated a few times
> since, and DiGel can sometimes get the bloat under control--or at
> least buy us a little time while we head to the emergency clinic--
> so I dose him with DiGel at those times. I've tried using the
> tablets, and can vouch for the fact that they don't work as well--
> must be that less of the simethicone (the active ingredient) gets
> absorbed?? There are a lot of books that illustrate how to use
> an oral syringe--and it does work! Jeri

 

 

 

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:58:59 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
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Sandy,

I think Lisa's probably right; the rubber band should pass through without a
problem -- and if Vincent gets uncomfortable, he'll probably wake you up. So
go to bed.

Actually, I think I'm going to take that advice myself.

Jackie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:57:04 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Me Again!
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Debbie and Mollie Bear

Don't worry, you and Mollie Bear will be fine. If I can handle insulin
injections I know you can. You are looking at the kid that grew up screaming
at the doctor's office. My vet is hoping that after treating Rosie for
Cushing's for a while the diabetes will subside. Maybe that is what Mollie
Bear has to look forward to also.

Thanks for the update. Take care

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:31:54 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Larry and Bubba

Welcome to the Cushing's list. Rosie is a yellow lab 12 years old. She was
just diagnosed this March with Cushing's and is experiencing diabetes, also.
We have hopes that controlling the Cushing's will allow us to completely
delete the diabetic insulin treatments eventually, but for now it really seems
to help her feel better.

Rosie started out on Anipryl for 30 days but it didn't help her, so we started
her on Lysodren and just completed the load in doses. She was on 500 mg twice
a day for 10 days. Her maintenance dose is 250 mg twice a week right now. We
may have to increase it is a couple of weeks but we will do another ACTH stim
test at that time to determine the best direction for her. She tested too low
on Monday. We started her on insulin about two weeks into her treatment with
Anipryl at 10 units twice a day and slowly increased it to 19 units twice a
day. While she was on the load in dose of Lysodren however, each time we got
a negative urine glucose test, we decreased her insulin by 10%. She was down
to 13 units twice a day up until today. Since her test Monday she has tested
med to high on her urine tests and felt kind of punk. So her vet and I
decided to increase her insulin to 15 units twice a day tomorrow. If she
starts manufacturing insulin on her own I get a negative urine test and
decrease her insulin so I do not overdose her.

Enough about Rosie, what kind of symptoms is Bubba having? Rosie and I wish
you the best of luck. Keep us informed

Judy and Rosie (From one big dog to another)

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:46:03 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Lois and Maggie

Thanks for sharing the dosage of Maggie's Lysodren maintenance. My yellow
lab, Rosie, has just entered the maintenance phase and I don't think we have
her on a high enough dosage yet. I printed out our note and plan on showing
it to my vet. I know he plans to increase her dosage but he is being careful
not to overdose her.

Thanks again for your input. Hey, we have a lot more BIG dogs out there than
I realized. Although we are all special!!!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:35:51 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Moaning
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Most Cushing's dogs do have a bit of arthritis ( if not a lot) so it could be
the joints. I just think that in my Arthur's particular case it is his liver.
He gets around fine.

It is so hard to tell which problem is causing which symptom in these dogs
because once we start to treat the Cushing's, the things that were masked by
the high cortisols start to show up. Currently I have about 5 dogs on
Cushing's treatment and all have different sets of symptoms........most all of
them have some aches and pains from various sources.

Lisa

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:54:30 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear Update
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Debbie and Mollie Bear

Hang in There. We are thinking of you both.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:39:36 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Linda and C.B.

Hang in there. Sounds like tough times. Keep us posted on C.B. progress.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:02:03 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Me Again!
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Debbie and Mollie Bear:

There is another list you might want to monitor for diabetes. There are some
dogs on the list that have Cushing's and Diabetes also. It is a caring group
of people, I monitor both lists.

If you are interested you can access the Muffin list:

Majordomo@majordomo.esosoft.com, no subject line, and (in body of message)
write Subscribe Muffin and your name.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:15:26 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Rubber Band
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Sandy....

This too shall pass!!

Linda

 

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:11:35 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: Muffin@esosoft.com, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bad morning for Rosie
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Gee...I just signed off 6 hours ago and here I am back again.

Just as my Woman's Intuition was telling me.....Rosie is having a bad morning.
She peed in the bedroom last night and had to be coaxed to eat this morning.
She has been drinking at least 124 oz. of water daily all week. Her next dose
of Lysodren is not until Monday. Well, we did increase her insulin to 15
units this a.m. maybe she will come around.

It sure is frustrating to hit this level again when just last weekend we were
reducing her insulin.

Take care everyone

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:19:42 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Loading Phase
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Judy and Rosie....

Thanx so much for your explanation....I guess I forgot to complete my
question....looks like it's time for me to slow down! *L*

I understand that the loading phase of Lysodren does...what I don't
understand is why can't the loading phase be done more like a
maintenance phase? It just seems to me if the loading phase is done
more conservatively...you would get the same results and it would be
less harsher for the dog?

Thanks again!

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:29:00 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bad Morning
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Judy & Rosie.....

I know what you mean about increase in water....Schonus is now working
on his second gallon!! and to think it was less than one month ago he
was down to 3 quarts. His weight is down to 93 pounds but that sure
does seem like an awful lot! I called my Vet but he's not concerned but
offered to do another ACTH test just to reassure me. I've got just one
question...if he's so calm about everything...howcome I'm not!! *L*
Schonus just recently started Soloxine and maybe that's why his water
intake has gone up a bit.

Hope you & Rosie have a better day! Keep us posted!!

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:23:03 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Acupuncture/Lasers, etc (Was: Re: Hypothyroidism)
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Glimpact wrote:
> My brother's dachshund wasn't able to move and they were at their wits end,
> thinking that they'd have to unfortunately put the animal to sleep. I
> suggested that they take it to a vet acupuncturist. The dachshund can now walk
> on one foot and go to the bathroom by itself, whereas before they had to carry
> her everywhere. <snip>
> The acupuncturist lets me sister-in-law
> come over each day to use the laser massager herself to stimulate and warm the
> dachshund's legs.

Since I mentioned that I had been told that daily use of a laser is not
recommended, I thought I'd add things that *can* be used daily!
Acupressure, of course, can be used daily, and could be done by your
sister-in-law, if the vet shows her what points to use, and what
techniques to use, (how deep to push, which direction to circle in
if using circles (gotta get the energy moving in the right direction),
etc.) Other possibilties are: maybe the vet could teach your sister-in-
law to use moxa--that can also be used daily, and is great for
arthritis.
You have to be careful to avoid dropping the ashes and causing a
burn, (moxabustion involves burning Chinese herbs over an acupuncture
point),
but there are a number of readily available (through mail order)
devices that can help keep the procedure quite safe as far as the
concern of burns goes. Another possibility would be the use
of magnets. Check with the vet on the recommended strengths,
locations, length of time, etc. It's important to use the
correct type of magnets, (not the ones off the refrigerator,
for example!), but many say that works well. I haven't
used that myself, but do know people who have...and there
has been research that has shown that it works.
Jeri

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:29:08 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Linda,

One thing that I think that we all kinda forget is that many diseases are not
"cured" but just maintained at a level that we can live with. It is so
frustrating that we can go for a while at one level, then things get out of
kilter and we have to go back to juggling doses and diets, etc. What I tell
my clients with dogs with Cushing's, diabetes and seizures,etc. is that these
problems are not "static"....meaning that the syptoms will abate for a while,
then as the body becomes accustomed to the drugs or the disease progresses we
will have to alter our course of therapy. Probably the most difficult thing
for seizure dog people to understand is why after a period of time they will
start to have a few seizures despite the fact they are on medication.....

 

Anyway, it is going to be ok. You will hit another plateau soon and
everything will be good.......

Lisa

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:23:19 EDT
From: RitaSwim <RitaSwim@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
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Dear Sandy & Vincent,

How is Vincent today! I just read my e-mail and know you needed some support
here. All of the "advice" you've gotten from others so far seems pretty good.
Just watch him for a few days. I have friends whose dogs will eat everything
and coincidentally they (a min. doberman and a std. poodle - 2 diff. owners)
both love anything metal. I can list forever the things they've eaten, all
with no ill effects. Some just show up on X-rays (while looking for other
things) and have never been identified or seen! (Where do these things go??)

There is no reason to think Vincent won't do as well, but I'd be the last one
to tell any dog Mom not to worry at all. There is a reasonable amount of time
that will have to pass before you exhale. In the meantime, it's small, has no
sharp edges, and plain old common sense tells me that it PROBABLY won't
affect him adversely.

Please let us know if he DOES have a problem. I'll assume "no news is good
news"!

Good thoughts to you both!

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:45:03 -0700
From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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L Boyce wrote:
>
> Is anyone noticing or maybe I should say hearing their "pup" moan?
> Schonus is moaning almost constantly when he's laying down.
>
> Linda & Schonus

Hi Linda and Schonus,

Amber, our 9 1/2 yo lab/golden mix moans or kind of grumbles everytime
she lies down. I don't know if it is because she is in pain which I
doubt since she has gotten her strength back in her hind legs. I never
though twice about it when she does it. But now that you mention it she
never did it pre-cushings.

Melissa & Amber

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:53:29 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: ~DC~ beautiful day
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>X-Authentication-Warning: unix.worldpath.net: majordomo set sender to
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>Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:47:34 +0100
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>From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
>Subject: ~DC~ beautiful day
>Sender: owner-doxclub@unix.worldpath.net
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>
>Last evening I took Penny and Duffy for a walk. We were told that Penny
>needed to exercise more to help her build up her muscles. We went down the
>street to where there are some abandoned houses- dead end and in the woods.
>I released both of them from their leashes and watched them have the times
>of their lives! There wasn't a scent that Duffy didn't check out and Penny
>wandered and followed Duffy at times. I just sat there and listened to the
>wind in the trees and watched them. What a wonderful relaxing time it was!
>I wished I had 6 arms and could have taken them all on this walk. Penny
>surprised me and had all kinds of energy. I was afraid that I was going to
>have to carry her part way back but she pulled ME back up the hill. Next
>time though I will have to figure out some way to bring water for her. To
>watch these guys investigate every nook and cranny was something else! God
>how I love my dogs!
>
>Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and
>Gabe.
>in Michigan
>

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
in Michigan

 

 

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:50:55 -0500
From: scott <scott@adams.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Jake is getting 1 500mg tab a day, 4 days a week. He weighs in at about 105
lbs...

DFRS2 wrote:

> Scott and Jake
>
> How many millograms of Lysodren is Jake getting and how often. Rosie is a
> yellow lab and she has been started on 250 mg. twice a week.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Judy and Rosie

 

 

 

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:41:18 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Melissa and Amber

A-hah another big dog...Rosie says Hi! Is Amber just diabetic?

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:32:04 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Thanks for your responses. Rosie of course is hanging in there better than
me. It is reassuring to be reminded that things will constantly change.
Thank you, that will help me to be calmer when things get rough again.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:00:57 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bad Morning
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Lisa.....

I wish the Endocrinologist that we saw had been that open and honest
with us. We went to an Animal Hospital at a University and basically
were told "Yes, Schonus has Cushing's and just give him Lysodren and
he'll do fine." No explanations of what to expect except that he would
be on pills for the rest of his life. At that point all we knew is that
Schonus had Cushing's disease...not knowing what the disease was or what
to expect!

I wish there were more Vets like you in our area!

Linda

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:20:56 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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At 09:55 PM 23/04/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Seems that so much we give our dogs is good for us, but I draw the line at a
>beef bone on the rug.
> Regards to all.
> Dave ROBERTS

Hi again - the Downunder lurker here!
Although we don't have a cushings dog this is a very interesting list.

We feed our dogs on a variety of things they are on a 2-day cycle. Day 1 is
one raw chicken carcase each (I know that Americans seem to have a problem
with this so please, no flames :)) and the other day they get grated raw
carrot (lots of it), rice and vegetables and 1/3 of a 1 lb tin of cheap
peoples tuna or salmon (preferably in oil) along with an extra spoonful of
oil. After their dinner at night they get a dog biscuit and in the morning
after their morning walk they get one dog biscuit and a piece of brisket.
Unfortunately, our English setter does eat hers on the rug (if she doesn't
bury it in the bed first - not her bed of course! just whichever one she
thinks the other two dogs won't find it in! Never mind, it all washes.

Regards,
Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

 

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:57:11 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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Janet,

Just curious, but what is available in prepared dog foods there? I am a
veterinarian in the states, and yes....I do kinda have a problem with
bones.....I know, many are going to all natural diets including bones...but
after a few surgeries to remove them I am gun shy!

I am feeding my own dogs a diet of raw venison and Flint River Ranch kibble,
but I just can't MAKE myself do the bones.......goes against every bit of
training I have had in traditional medical school.........Oh well....guess
this old dog can't learn a new trick!

Lisa

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:51:43 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Linda,

Thanks for the compliment...but in my opinion , honesty is the best policy,
especially when dealing with the emotions of people and concerning the lives
of pets.
This stuff we have to do here is not easy, and unfortunately our "babies" are
sick and need constant care. Chronic disease is perhaps the hardest to deal
with..not like a fractured bone , for instance. There is no end to this
stuff for them.....at least not until they go to another existence. Forgive
me for going on, but I have had a rough night with a patient who is near the
end and the owner cannot grasp that the time is drawing near. I have always
made it a point to tell my clients frankly and honestly when I thought the
time has come for the end.....meaning euthanasia. None of us wants to lose a
pet, they are so much like our children. I have taken many lives in my
career, and I can honestly say that there have been none that were not "ready"
to go. It is one of the great gifts in veterinary medicine that is not
available to our physician counterparts...to give an easy way out of this life
and a boost onto the next. Sometimes it is so hard for the owner to see when
the quality of life has deteriorated to an extent that it is no longer a happy
life. The dog I visited tonight has been my patient for 10 years. She has
diabetes, but also has lymphoma. She is dying.....I can only hope that she
will not go through another night of agony while her owners sit and watch her
suffer. I gave her a very large dose of demerol before I left her at her
home......maybe she will be beckoned into another life before morning. Her
owners would not consent to euthanasia....so to numb her pain was all I could
do.
This is the very hardest part of being human, and being a veterinarian also.

 

 

Sorry you all had to read that........I just needed to say it. Thanks for all
your support here and for all the information that I get from you. Who knows
better about these things than those who live with it?

 

Lisa

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:24:33 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Scott and Jake

Thanks for the response.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:45:13 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Janet:

This is so funny to me....:-) LOL You guys cook so much for your babies, I
think it is wonderful and amazing. However, I am so-o-o-o glad you mentioned
dog biscuit! I thought some of you were actually baking for your pets.

I know..........I am now going to hear that many of you are. Where do you get
the time? What a great group of people.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:54:18 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Lisa:

I commend your frankness, and dedication to your work. Your patients are so
lucky to have a vet that is so caring and big-hearted as well.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:49:55 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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Lisa's reply to Janet made me remember one more thing about food. Are rawhide
bones okay for our cushinoid sugar babies?

I gave Rosie one for the first time today since her diagnosis and she was
thrilled!

Also, on an upnote, Rosie is doing better this evening. Got a light to medium
urine test. She appears to be feeling better this afternoon.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:08:20 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: janda@iconz.co.nz, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Hypothyroidism
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Jan and John:

Thank you so much for your response. Information like this is so valuable to
us when everything is so new. Funny that you said stress may have brought on
the Hypothyroidism due to the loss of a dear friend. Two years ago I had to
put down my male lab who was Rosie's buddy. Also, the last half of last year
Rosie started having problems when we traveled on weekend trips. Each trip
seemed to be a little more difficult for her so we started staying home.
Didn't even go home for Christmas because I couldn't take her with me.

This makes me wonder if my vet automatically checked Rosie's thyroid during
testing for Cushing's or if there is a separate test. Thanks for the
information.

Judy and Rosie in Dallas

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:31:21 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bad Morning & a Heavy Dose
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At 09:51 PM 25/04/98 EDT, Lisa wrote:
I gave her a very large dose of demerol before I left her at her
home......maybe she will be beckoned into another life before morning. Her
owners would not consent to euthanasia....so to numb her pain was all I
could do. This is the very hardest part of being human, and being a
veterinarian also.
>Sorry you all had to read that........I just needed to say it. Thanks for all
>your support here and for all the information that I get from you. Who knows
>better about these things than those who live with it?

Dear Lisa,
As pet owner's we had to make the decision 18 months ago - I had a Gordon
Setter with cancer in the bowel and bladder - most of the bladder had been
removed and she was pretty good but then, all of a sudden she just went down
hill. Then was the time - she was ready - I guess we were to a certain
extent. We were with her when she died talking to her and telling her how
much we loved her. Our friend the local vet had looked after her all her
life and we all cried on each other's shoulders. We now have another Gordon
Setter - 18 months old who looks and does so much the same as our Periwinkle
did it's really uncanny. People say "I'll never have another" but life must
go on.

Cheer up - I hope we all know how you feel and I hope that when my time
comes someone will give me "a very large dose" of something to ease my way
across the bridge.

Regards,
Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:31:24 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Recipe for Dog Biscuits
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At 11:45 PM 25/04/98 EDT, Judy and Rosie wrote:
>This is so funny to me....:-) LOL You guys cook so much for your babies, I
>think it is wonderful and amazing. However, I am so-o-o-o glad you mentioned
>dog biscuit! I thought some of you were actually baking for your pets.
>I know..........I am now going to hear that many of you are. Where do you get
>the time? What a great group of people.

Hi all,

I just want to let you know that I do have a wonderful recipe for dog
biscuits as well - I just have to ask for clearance from another list to
pass it on - hopefully you'll have it sometime this week.

On the cooking for the dogs, we've always done it. I make a big boiler full
of vegetables and rice and this goes with their fish and grated carrot. The
vegetables and rice stew are cooked and put into containers and frozen - I
pack it into plastic bags and then into a tall container. We do have three
medium size dogs (29, 33 and 38 kg) so you probably wouldn't need to cook so
much if you don't have large numbers of dogs. I must say, it's cheaper than
buying dog food. We did give them dry and tinned dog food at one stage but
I've found that since they've been off that the skin problems seem to have
become very minimal - don't know if that's why but that's really the only
thing that's changed.

Regards to all,
Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:46:22 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bad Morning
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>Linda,
>
>Thanks for the compliment...but in my opinion , honesty is the best policy,
>especially when dealing with the emotions of people and concerning the lives
>of pets.
>This stuff we have to do here is not easy, and unfortunately our "babies" are
>sick and need constant care. Chronic disease is perhaps the hardest to deal
>with..not like a fractured bone , for instance. There is no end to this
>stuff for them.....at least not until they go to another existence. Forgive
>me for going on, but I have had a rough night with a patient who is near the
>end and the owner cannot grasp that the time is drawing near. I have always
>made it a point to tell my clients frankly and honestly when I thought the
>time has come for the end.....meaning euthanasia. None of us wants to lose a
>pet, they are so much like our children. I have taken many lives in my
>career, and I can honestly say that there have been none that were not "ready"
>to go. It is one of the great gifts in veterinary medicine that is not
>available to our physician counterparts...to give an easy way out of this life
>and a boost onto the next. Sometimes it is so hard for the owner to see when
>the quality of life has deteriorated to an extent that it is no longer a happy
>life. The dog I visited tonight has been my patient for 10 years. She has
>diabetes, but also has lymphoma. She is dying.....I can only hope that she
>will not go through another night of agony while her owners sit and watch her
>suffer. I gave her a very large dose of demerol before I left her at her
>home......maybe she will be beckoned into another life before morning. Her
>owners would not consent to euthanasia....so to numb her pain was all I could
>do.
>This is the very hardest part of being human, and being a veterinarian also.
>
>
>
>Sorry you all had to read that........I just needed to say it. Thanks for all
>your support here and for all the information that I get from you. Who knows
>better about these things than those who live with it?
>
>
>Lisa

God bless you for all that you do with your difficult job of being a vet.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
in Michigan

 

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:40:27 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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Judy,

I don't see that rawhide would hurt anything if only given occasionally. I
say this as my crew chomps noisily on a whole bag of "100% natural,
unbleached, oven baked rawhide chews. The aforeto mentioned bag was a gift
from the doggie's "granma" and was put away ( I thought securely) in the
laundry room. Leave it to this bunch to find a way to get up onto the shelf
and get the goodies!

 

Lisa

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:45:24 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Janet.....

Just a footnote to my note last night.....the little dog went on her way about
5 this morning. Her owners woke up and found her gone. It is a sad
passing....she was one of my first patients in Memphis.

Thanks to everyone for their kind thoughts..

Lisa

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:02:59 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
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Dr. Vann --

You are so right -- it is probably the most difficult thing I have done and
will no doubt have to do again, to hold my pet while she is administered the
drug that will end her life. But I have been blessed (and I know your
patients are blessed) with the compassion of our vets who help us get through
this most terrible time. When I first had to do this almost thirteen years
ago, the only comfort I got was knowing that Samantha's death was not painful
to her and she deserved to be relieved of her earthly pain and it was my final
gift to her to comfort her and hold her. There was no decision to be made in
administering the shot where she was concerned, she was in so much pain, but I
can understand a pet-lover not wanting to let go, especially if they don't
know how peaceful the end really can be. I will have to do this again, my
Maggie is not doing very well sometimes, but my vet is so caring and knows us
so well, that when that time comes, we will get through it. On behalf of your
patients, thank you for being such a conscientious caregiver and hopefully
this pet will not have to suffer long.

Lois

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:00:57 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
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DFRS2 wrote:
>
> Janet:
>
> This is so funny to me....:-) LOL You guys cook so much for your babies, I
> think it is wonderful and amazing. However, I am so-o-o-o glad you mentioned
> dog biscuit! I thought some of you were actually baking for your pets.
>
> I know..........I am now going to hear that many of you are. Where do you get
> the time? What a great group of people.
>
> Judy and Rosie

Judy & Rosie:

Yes, we do bake dog biscuits for Cybil. We use one of the recipes we
got from the Three Dog Bakery Show on the cooking channel. they are
fairly easy, no preservatives, and she really likes them. if anyone is
interested in the website or the recipe, let me know and i'll get it to
you.

Patti & Cybil

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:55:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Yeah, I'm curious. My Dudley's breath is generally really bad, I mean you
could smell it from a few feet away it he had his mouth open! Since he's
been on Anipryl his breath is much much better. Does anyone know if it is
better because of the medication he's been taking or just a coincidence?

Jan Glover, Seattle

Dudley, I smell like roses!!

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:37:32 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Boomer starts Cushings Treatment
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Hi Everyone,
Boomer's ACTH level test came back and it indicated that he has
adrenal-dependant Cushings. Dr. Crystal was not totally convinced since
only 15% of dogs aqnd 5% of poodles have adrenal-dependant Cushings.
So, Friday afternoon Boomer had a ultrasound so we could try and see his
2 adrenal glands. It took quite a while but we finally were able to see
both of them. This indicates that Boomer's Cushings is pituitary
dependant. BOomer was quite the little trooper, laying on his back for
about 15 minutes while getting a "belly rub". He was such a good boy!
Now, on Tuesday Boomer begins taking Lysodren. I would have expected
him to be on Anipryl, but Dr. Crystal explained that Anipryl is not as
effective as Lysodren, and since Boomer's symptoms are so advanced he
did not think Anipryl would do much good. This just goes to show you
that every case is indeed diffrerent. Dr. Crystal also gave me some
Prednisone in case Boomer starts getting lethargic, throwing up or quits
eating. He said this should not happen during the loading phase, but
might during the maintenance phase.
We will go back for another ACTH stim test either 1 or 2 days after
Boomer's hunger, thirst, and urination decrease or in 14 days, whichever
comes first. I sure hope this things go smoothly. I'm keeping my
fingers crossed.
Also, there is some interesting reading about Cushings treatment at
the following web site. Ya'll might already know this but I thought I
would pass it on. www.vetmed.auburn.edu/endo/faq.html

-- Liza and the GatorPoos

 

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:38:35 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Bad morning & bad breath
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Lisa - our thoughts and sympathies are with you. It must be almost as sad to
loose a patient after all this time as if it was your own.
Re the bad breath - we were just talking about this yesterday!!!! Since Kelly
has been on Lysodren (750mg a week) not only is he nicer to get closer to but
his teeth appear to have whitened. We've always cleaned them but never
achieved the 'pearly white' required in the toothpaste adds but we have it now.
We are going to the vet this morning for his first treatment of Pentosan Vet
(Sodium pentosan polysulphate) for his arthritis so will ask if he knows if
there's any connection.
Kelly has had a bad couple of days - bouts of tremors which shook his whole
body, no appetite whatsoever and great difficulty in getting up - definitely one
of the low points on the roller coaster. We had a much better night with him
and there's no sign of the tremors and he did eat some of last nights leftovers
so hopefully we're beginning an 'up' ride.

John, Ann, Kelly Cooper & feline support crew who are spending time in a mud
puddle so they can make pretty paw patterns on Mum's newly washed floor....
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

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From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: 27 April 1998 06:01
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>Yeah, I'm curious. My Dudley's breath is generally really bad, I mean you
>could smell it from a few feet away it he had his mouth open! Since he's
>been on Anipryl his breath is much much better. Does anyone know if it is
>better because of the medication he's been taking or just a coincidence?
>
>Jan Glover, Seattle
>
>Dudley, I smell like roses!!
>
>

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:39:37 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Addison's Disease
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Does anyone know of any websites with info on Addison's Disease, or if
there is a list for it? Someone on my poodle list has a poodle that has
just been diagnosed with it and was asking for information.

TIA
-- Liza and the GatorPoos

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:37:30 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
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Boy, I feel luck. My vet has told me quite a bit about the disease. Of
course, I keep grilling him with questions so he is forced to tell me
me! <VBG> After I left Friday I was thinking, "Wow, he knows so much
about this disease." and he is not an endocrinologist, he is an internal
medicine specialist. Of course, I would expect nothing less from a
fellow University of Florida grad!

-- Liza and The GatorPoos

 

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From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bad Morning

Lisa.....

I wish the Endocrinologist that we saw had been that open and honest
with us. We went to an Animal Hospital at a University and basically
were told "Yes, Schonus has Cushing's and just give him Lysodren and
he'll do fine." No explanations of what to expect except that he would
be on pills for the rest of his life. At that point all we knew is that
Schonus had Cushing's disease...not knowing what the disease was or what
to expect!

I wish there were more Vets like you in our area!

Linda

 

 

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:44:32 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Glucose testing
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Slowly I'm getting used to giving insulin injections. Mollie doesn't put up
too much of a fight but my nerves are! I think I finally got most of the
insulin in her this morning (after three previous doses) without losing it.
Can't seem to get the needle in far enough. Her skin seems so tight that I
can't "pinch" enough up and her fur is sooooo thick, it's hard to see where
her skin starts. (Yes, the Lysodren has done wonders with her fur, it's
gorgeous again).
Question: I've been told by my vet that I really can't do glucose testing
myself and that she'll have to be blood tested at the vet. Why can't I do a
simply urine test at home just to get an idea how it's going? I don't want
her to have blood drawn so much. And, can I just get a people urine dip test
at a local store's pharmacy? Would that work?
Thanks! Debbie & Mollie Bear

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:57:45 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Thanks for the response about the rawhide toys, Lisa. It does seem like we
should child-proof our cabinets sometimes.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:07:08 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Patti and Cybil

Okay........I have to admit I have cooked dog biscuits from Three Dog Bakery
for Rosie. It fact the garlic and cheese are her favorites. She gets a bag
every year under the tree for Christmas (except I couldn't find the mix this
last Christmas). She knows what it is and gets so excited. In fact, she can
pick out all of her presents under the tree.

I would like to know the website for Three Dog Bakery so I can find more mix
locally. Thanks.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:11:22 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Jan: Has Dudley's teeth been cleaned lately? Also, I believe I have read
that a possible symptom of Cushing's is gum problems....gingivitis. Rosie had
to have her teeth cleaned the first part of January pre-Cushing's diagnosis.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:17:07 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Jan,

By any chance did you change his diet at the same time you went on the
medicine? I noticed quite a difference in Arthur's "smells" after putting him
on Anipryl and changing to FRR foods. He has poo poo'd in the house once
since then, and I have to say ...there was not a bit of odor. Odd, huh? I
tend to think that maybe it is the food and not the meds though, because we
have a pup ( Boston terrorist) who still has house accidents at times, and
her's is not bad anymore either.

Anyway.....on to more delicate subjects......

 

Lisa

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:19:21 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Boomer starts Cushings Treatment
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Liza and Boomer

Good luck on the load in phase. Rosie finished that one week ago today. She
was on Prednesolone along with the Lysodren to reduce side affects is what my
vet said. I think this is pretty tough on our babies. I have heard it liken
to chemotheraphy. Keep us updated on Boomer's progress.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:38:02 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Addison's Disease
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Liza:

I did a quick search in AOL and found several things to check into:

http://www.homevet.com/wwwboard/messages/2339.html

http://www.studyweb.com/med/addisions/htm

http://www.healinglight.com/addisons/links.htm

http://www.healinglight.com/addisonsfebruary98/_disc1/000000

http://www.taosnet.com/beardiehealth/Addison's% Summary: In 1988 a paper was
published in the Journal of Amer. Vet. Medical Assn. in which a heritable
tendency to hypoadrenocorticism was reported in a family of Standard
Poodles.........

http://www.vetinfo.com/daddison/html

Hope these help!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:39:58 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bo
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Hope Bo is feeling better.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:43:49 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Chronic Renal Failure
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Patti and Cybil,
Thanks for the recipe: It made our mouths water. . . . We might try it
for ourselves for dinner tonight. If it has been on our plates, Clea is bound
to like it. (She likes to eat on her own, but not the good stuff she needs.)
We cook our meat, too. We're just afraid of raw meat, and our vet has
told us that cooked meat is easier to digest.
Yes, we would appreciate your letting us know the title and author of your
pet health food book when you get a chance. Thanks.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:46:36 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 4/26/1998 6:20:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DFRS2@aol.com
writes:

<< I have heard it liken to chemotheraphy. >>

Actually, when Jessie was first diagnosed, that's exactly what my vet
called it: chemotherapy. And when you think about what the word
means -- therapy with chemicals -- that's exactly what it is.

Jackie
Jessie, Abby, Charlie and Hannah

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:48:10 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Penny
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Toni,
So glad to hear Penny is on the mend! Those setbacks can be really
frightening sometimes. Here's hoping everything goes smoothly for her from now
on.
You have a very wonderful family of dachshunds. We call our little family
(we only have 3 dachshunds) "The Wrecking Crew." It must look like "Demolition
Derby" around your house.

 

(Sorry to hear about the circumstances of Brandy's demise. What a
nightmare.)
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:58:54 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Debbie and Mollie Bear

I test Rosie's urine twice a day at home with the little dipsticks and you may
have heard earlier, My soup ladel. Works wonderfully!!

Rosie has been diagnosed with Cushing's and although my vet will not say she
is diabetic, she has diabetic symptoms from the Cushing's so I give her
insulin as well. One thing I will mention that might help you give her shots
is a couple of things I have tried. I do not pinch her skin to give her a
shot. That is hard for me to do, also Rosie tenses up more than when I just
move her fur to the side with my thumb and slide the needle in under the skin
and inject. Rosie usually lies down after she eats to get her shot, but
sometimes I give it to her while she is gobbling and she never moves. I do
not use the real short needles because in places Rosie's skin is pretty thick,
but the next to the shortest works great for me.

Everyone probably has their own style.

Good luck on developing yours. Hope this helps. Keep us posted on your
progress, Nurse Debbie.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:25:27 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Glad to hear it!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:52:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bad Breath
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Judy: Dudley has not had his teeth cleaned since we adopted him in 1995.
We give him knuckle bones which really work well to get off the plaque. He
has alway had kind of red gums but my vet didn't seem concerned.

Jan Glover, Seattle
Dudley, my cushings dog

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:54:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bad Breath
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Hi Lisa:

Dudley has not had his diet changed. He still eats as usual, always hungery
and waiting for this feedings.

I've noticed his stools have been a little loose since the Anipryl.

Jan Glover, Seattle
Dudley my cushings dog

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:10:24 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
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In a message dated 98-04-26 19:00:45 EDT, you write:

<< I test Rosie's urine twice a day at home with the little dipsticks >>
Thanks for the info. I'm going to try that. Pinching the skin is not an
option for me either. I've had much better luck just going under the skin.
The vet was showing me how to pinch the skin, saying that she'll never notice,
then Mollie yelped. So pinching is not a good idea. I dose her up when she's
eating. She's oblivious to anything when she's eating.
Also, I've tried the new diet I've keep hearing everyone talking about.
Veggies and rice etc. She loves it and Toby likes it too. So far so good.
Debbie & Mollie

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:12:01 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bad Breath
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>Hi Lisa:
>
>Dudley has not had his diet changed. He still eats as usual, always hungery
>and waiting for this feedings.
>
>I've noticed his stools have been a little loose since the Anipryl.
>
>Jan Glover, Seattle
>Dudley my cushings dog

Loose stools and vomiting are side effects from the annipryl. We went
through it with Penny.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
in Michigan

 

 

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:35:19 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings group <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: bad weekend
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Lisa,
Your message really hit home with me this weekend. Gucci has starting
exhibiting her bizarre behavior again. She seems disoriented and lost.
She paces forward and backward in the same spot. She stands and stares
at the wall. Her appetite has really increased and she can't seem to
relax at all. My vet (who I wouldn't trade for the world!) says we're
dealing with dementia on top of the Cushings. She's doubled Gucci's
anipryl since it has been indicated as being useful for cognitive
dysfunction too. She says I'll know within a week if the symptoms are
going to improve. The thought of letting the Gooch go has crossed my
mind with every bad bout we face, but her problems are mostly
psychological. Physically she's in good shape. If she were in pain I
know I could let her go, but just being crazy doesn't seem to be a good
reason. Our vet says there are things we can still try.
Sometimes she's the Gooch I've always known but those times are
becoming fewer.
I'm glad your patients have a caring vet. You sound alot like Gucci's
vet. Thanks for your insights and God bless you.

Ripley, Gucci and Cole

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:49:16 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Bad Breath
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Went to the vet this afternoon for treatment for Kelly's arthritis and asked
about the improvement in his breath. The answer seemed to be quite simple -
Cushings dogs are prone to infection - mouth infections cause bad breath -
treatment for Cushings reduces the level of infection so will therefore act on
mouth problems. As Kelly's diet hasn't altered in any way because of his
inflammatory bowel disease we knew that wasn't the answer for us. Suppose we
have to find something positive from all else that is going on with our furbaby.
Now he's showing signs of being overdosed with Lysodren so we're beginning
another range of tests...... Another down on the Roller Coaster but hopefully
the up will be pretty close.
Ann John & Kelly Cooper.

janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand