CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 32

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: Bo
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
2) Re: Bad Breath
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
3) Lysodren Question
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
4) Re: Addison's Disease
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
5) Veggie and Rice diet
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
6) Re: Soloxine
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
7) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
8) Re: Re. moaning
by floyd@zianet.com
9) Re: Chronic Renal Failure
by floyd@zianet.com
10) Re: Re. moaning
by floyd@zianet.com
11) Three Dog Bakery
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
12) Rubber band update
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
13) Milk Thistle
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
14) Glucose tests
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
15) Dudley
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
16) Re: Dudley
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
17) Re: Lysodren Question
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
18) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
19) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
20) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
21) Dudley
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
22) Re: Re. moaning
by kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
23) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
24) Re: Bad Morning & a Heavy Dose
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
25) Re: Dudley
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
26) Re: Dudley
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
27) Re: Lysodren Question
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
28) Lysodren Dose
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
29) Re: Lysodren Dose
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
30) Re: Lysodren Dose
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
31) Re: Lysodren Dose
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
32) addisons
by scott <scott@adams.net>
33) Lysodren cost
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
34) Re: Lysodren Dose-dosage not $$
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
35) Re: Lysodren cost
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
36) Re: addisons
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
37) Re: Re. moaning
by floyd@zianet.com
38) Re: Lysodren Dose
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
39) Re: Lysodren cost
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
40) Lysodren source
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
41) Re: Lysodren Dose
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
42) anipryl dosage
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
43) Re: anipryl dosage
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
44) Re: Penny
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
45) Terrible Ted and Lysodren
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
46) Re: anipryl dosage
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
47) Re: Lysodren cost
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
48) Treating Cushings Disease
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
49) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
50) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
51) Re: Dudley
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
52) Anipryl Info
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
53) Lysodren Cost
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
54) Re: Anipryl Info
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
55) Anipryl
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
56) Addison's OR Cushings?
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
57) Re: addisons
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
58) Re: Lysodren Dose-dosage not $$
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
59) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
60) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
61) Sweetie's Homepage
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
62) Lysodren and other meds source follow-up
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
63) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
64) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
65) Re: Sweetie's Homepage
by Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
66) Re: addisons
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
67) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
68) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
69) Re: Addison's OR Cushings?
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
70) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
71) Re: Lysodren Cost
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
72) Lysodren Costs
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
73) Re: Lysodren Costs
by David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
74) Re: Dudley
by floyd@zianet.com
75) Re: Lysodren Costs
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
76) Lurker comes out
by "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
77) Re: Lysodren Costs
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
78) Re: Lysodren Costs
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
79) Re: Lurker comes out
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
80) Re: Lysodren Costs
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
81) Re: Anipryl Info
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
82) Re: Lysodren Costs
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
83) Re: Lurker comes out
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
84) Re: Lurker comes out
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
85) RE: Lurker comes out
by "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
86) Re: Moaning
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
87) Re: Lurker comes out
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
88) Recipe for Dog Biscuits
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
89) Re: Lurker comes out
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
90) "Brandy"
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
91) Re: Dudley
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
92) Re: Lysodren Question
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
93) Re: Lysodren Dose
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
94) Re: Dudley
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
95) Re: Lysodren Dose
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
96) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
97) Induced Addison's Disease
by lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu (Leslie Lawson)
98) Untreated Cushing's
by lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu (Leslie Lawson)
99) Re: Induced Addison's Disease
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
100) Re: anipryl dosage
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
101) Re: Lysodren Costs
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
102) Re: Lysodren Costs
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
103) Re: Lysodren Costs
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
104) Re: Lysodren Costs
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
105) Re: Lysodren Costs
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
106) Prepared Dog Foods
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
107) Re: Prepared Dog Foods
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
108) Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
109) Re: [MUFFIN] Diabetes Misdiagnosis?
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
110) Re: Treating Cushings Disease
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
111) Re: [MUFFIN] Diabetes Misdiagnosis?
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
112) Re: Lurker comes out
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
113) Fwd: [MUFFIN] [Fwd: A thought for the day]
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
114) Fwd: [MUFFIN] OSP-Humor
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
115) Re: Induced Addison's Disease
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
116) Re: Untreated Cushing's
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
117) Re: A thought for the day - comment
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
118) Re: Prepared Dog Foods
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
119) Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
120) Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
121) pls give complete info on dosage
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
122) Medication Dosage
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
123) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
124) Re: A thought for the day - comment
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
125) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
126) Correct Info
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
127) Info
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
128) Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
129) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
130) Re: Medication Dosage
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
131) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
132) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
133) List of People on List
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
134) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
135) Re. details of persons on the list
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:52:52 +0000
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bo
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<PRE>Hope Bo is feeling better.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu</PRE>
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&nbsp;

<P>Thank you Tom, and all others who inquired about Bo. He is much, much
better, his appetite is back and he is behaving normally (for Bo!).
<BR>Judy</HTML>

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:58:55 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bad Breath
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Arthur has been a bit mushy at times too.....I add extra rice to his food on
those days.

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:13:46 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren Question
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Several of you have mentioned that your furbabies that are on Lysodren
sometimes have trouble getting up, weakness in legs, and shaking. Are
these common side effects of Lysodren therapy? My vet did not mention
these as side effects. He did say they may become lethargic, throw up,
and not eat, but those symptoms happen when their cortisol level is
getting too low (some of you have called this "crisis" (?)) and you then
give them prednisone to bring the cortisol level back up. Are the
"other" side effects just from taking the drug in general or are they
also related to too low a level of cortisol?

Also, Boomer is to start Lysodren tomorrow. Since I work and won't
be home during the day, I am a bit concerned about giving him his first
does and then leaving him for 8 hours. Maybe I should wait until
tomorrow night. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:17:43 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Addison's Disease
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Thanks Judy, I will pass these on.

-- Liza

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:38:02 EDT
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From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Addison's Disease

Liza:

I did a quick search in AOL and found several things to check into:

http://www.homevet.com/wwwboard/messages/2339.html

http://www.studyweb.com/med/addisions/htm

http://www.healinglight.com/addisons/links.htm

http://www.healinglight.com/addisonsfebruary98/_disc1/000000

http://www.taosnet.com/beardiehealth/Addison's% Summary: In 1988 a
paper was
published in the Journal of Amer. Vet. Medical Assn. in which a
heritable
tendency to hypoadrenocorticism was reported in a family of Standard
Poodles.........

http://www.vetinfo.com/daddison/html

Hope these help!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:28:29 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Veggie and Rice diet
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I must have missed the veggie and rice diet. Can someone send it to me.
I generally give my furbabies raw veggies as snacks (they love carrots,
broccoli, squash, green beans and others), so I'm always looking for new
thing to include in their snacks.

-- Liza and

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:39:21 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Soloxine
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Hi Jan,
Boomers last thyroid test just tested T4 and came back at 1.2 ug/dl
which is barely in the normal range. I have trouble comparing this to
previous tests because the others were done by a different lab, and the
units of measure are different. The first (and second) test also
measured total T4 and T3 in nmol/L (values 9 and 1.8), free T4 and T3 in
pmol/L (values 10 and 8.0), and TSH (value 15) in mU/L. Does anyone
know how to compare the first test results with the last test?

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:05:26 -0400 (EDT)
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Soloxine

Liza

You mentioned Boomer had low thyroid. Do you know what his count was?
My Dudley was low/normal. The vet said normal was between 1 and 4 and
Dudley's was 1.1. We haven't treated that, he felt that it was ok, but
that was before we knew he had cushings. I'll be curious to see if his
count improves.

Thanks Jan Glover, Seattle

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:47:20 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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>Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:12:46 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
>
>
>
> Once again in order to reply to these messages I must send it to my
> wife, Jackie, and she forwards it to the list. Kind of a roundabout
> way but it works.
>
> Anyway I have been reading alot of posts lately concerning the dosing
> for Lysodren and everyone seems to be wondering if their baby is on a
> high enough dose. Well our Sunny, a Manchester Chihuahua, under 20
> lbs (most of the time and a least now she is) receives a maintenance
> dose of **1500 mg a week**. So, when I read about some of your
> babies, Labs and other *BIG* dogs that are receiving 250-500mg weekly,
> the only thing I can think of is that your babies' doctors are
> treating their patients. Each animals disease is different, just as
> with us our bodies all react differently to a disease. I am very
> sensitive on this issue, because our baby, Sunny, seems to be very
> different when it comes to the treatment. She can not seem to get
> stablized. Anyway tomorrow is her ACTH Stim test again and results
> will be back from Auburn on Wednesday, 29 Apr, so we'll know what to
> do with her dosing. Hopefully, we can stay the same or go down. She
> dose have her up days and her down days.
>
> We monitor her water intake and mostly it stays level, unless of
> course we have her outside and running about following us around the
> yard -- then her water intake goes up. But, for the most part it
> stays constant. I measure her water bowls every night and record the
> information. This is done for the vet's information. We also can
> tell when something may be wrong, for instance if her water intake
> drops drastically, then it may be time to *pop a pred*, it depends on
> her other actions as well. You can not go with only one symptom.
>
> Anyway, sorry to go on, but I had to write something.
> Randy (of Randy, Jackie, Sunny and Cat-sister Saphir fame)
>
>
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>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 4/25/98 12:46 AM
>
>
>Lois and Maggie
>
>Thanks for sharing the dosage of Maggie's Lysodren maintenance. My yellow
>lab, Rosie, has just entered the maintenance phase and I don't think we have
>her on a high enough dosage yet. I printed out our note and plan on showing
>it to my vet. I know he plans to increase her dosage but he is being careful
>not to overdose her.
>
>Thanks again for your input. Hey, we have a lot more BIG dogs out there than
>I realized. Although we are all special!!!
>
>Judy and Rosie
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:17:08 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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DFRS2 wrote:
>
> Patti and Cybil
>
> Okay........I have to admit I have cooked dog biscuits from Three Dog Bakery
> for Rosie. It fact the garlic and cheese are her favorites. She gets a bag
> every year under the tree for Christmas (except I couldn't find the mix this
> last Christmas). She knows what it is and gets so excited. In fact, she can
> pick out all of her presents under the tree.
>
> I would like to know the website for Three Dog Bakery so I can find more mix
> locally. Thanks.
>
> Judy and Rosie

Judy & Rosie:

I find it through the food tv websit. It's www.foodtv.com. when the
first page comes up, click on recipes. it will show a chart with the
different shows including Three dog bakery. Then click on Three Dog
Bakery. you can look at recipes from about the last month or so. i
assume that this is still correct. I haven't tried it for a while now.
if it doesn't work for you, let me know and i'll look at the recipes i
have at home and see if they have a specific address for just Three Dog
Bakery. Hope your babies enjoy and our love to all the little ones out
there.

Cybil and Patti.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:23:01 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Chronic Renal Failure
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Tom White wrote:
>
> Patti and Cybil,
> Thanks for the recipe: It made our mouths water. . . . We might try it
> for ourselves for dinner tonight. If it has been on our plates, Clea is bound
> to like it. (She likes to eat on her own, but not the good stuff she needs.)
> We cook our meat, too. We're just afraid of raw meat, and our vet has
> told us that cooked meat is easier to digest.
> Yes, we would appreciate your letting us know the title and author of your
> pet health food book when you get a chance. Thanks.
> Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> trw@virginia.edu

Tom, Marie and Crew,

The book is at home, but I will bring it tommorrow and give you the
details. Also, as I was laying in bed in one of my terribly
unproductive 3:00 a.m. worry sessions, it occurred to me that I may have
omitted that one egg, lightly beaten, also goes with the barley or rice
mixture. Will send book info. tommorrow.

Cybil and Patti

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:37:57 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
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DFRS2 wrote:
>
> Patti and Cybil
>
> Okay........I have to admit I have cooked dog biscuits from Three Dog Bakery
> for Rosie. It fact the garlic and cheese are her favorites. She gets a bag
> every year under the tree for Christmas (except I couldn't find the mix this
> last Christmas). She knows what it is and gets so excited. In fact, she can
> pick out all of her presents under the tree.
>
> I would like to know the website for Three Dog Bakery so I can find more mix
> locally. Thanks.
>
> Judy and Rosie

Judy and Rosie,

I just checked and my earlier directions to Three Dog Bakery do work.
Any problems, let me know. Cybil particularly likes the Apple Cinnamon
Training Bits. After baking, we break them apart and as they dry out
further, they harden and are really good teeth cleaning tools when she
eats them because they are really like dog cookies. Good baking.

Cybil and Patti

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:02:47 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Three Dog Bakery
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The URL for Three Dog Bakery is www.threedog.com. You can also buy dog
biscuits and birthday cakes from them directly if you don't want to make
them yourself. My "three dogs" just love them. Some of their favorites
are the Scotti Biscottis and of course, the Snicker Poodles. If there
is a PetSmart in your area, they usually carry them also.

-- Liza and the GatorPoos

----Original Message Follows----
Judy & Rosie:

I find it through the food tv websit. It's www.foodtv.com. when the
first page comes up, click on recipes. it will show a chart with the
different shows including Three dog bakery. Then click on Three Dog
Bakery. you can look at recipes from about the last month or so. i
assume that this is still correct. I haven't tried it for a while now.
if it doesn't work for you, let me know and i'll look at the recipes i
have at home and see if they have a specific address for just Three Dog
Bakery. Hope your babies enjoy and our love to all the little ones out
there.

Cybil and Patti.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:18:08 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Rubber band update
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Many thanks to those who gave advice and support during the great
rubberband crisis. My doo-mining finally paid off, and "everything came
out okay".

Sandy and Vincent (mmmmm, chewy!)

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:51:51 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Milk Thistle
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I got permission to pass this along--I know that some
people on the list are using milk thistle to help protect
their dog's liver, and thought that this might help reassure
people r.e. the safety of milk thistle. This was posted
on the canine epilepsy list, which is why there is the
mention on epileptics and phenobarbitol.
This is from a veterinary neurologist at the University
of Florida. They have a great web page, if any ever needs
information on neurological problems!
Jeri
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: R.M. Clemmons, DVM, PhD [SMTP:rmc@neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu]
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 1998 6:28 AM
> > To: Lorraine Forde
> > Subject: Silymarin (Milk Thistle)
> >
> > There is no evidence that Milk Thistle has any adverse effects. It
> > increases bile flow and bile content of cholesterol, but does not
> > appear to decrease bile formation from the studies I have read. Most
> > of this work has been done in rats, but their livers function
> > basically the same as the dog. There is probably no reason for a
> > normal dog to take milk thistle, unless there is exposure to
> > potential hepatotoxins. Phenobarbital is a hepatotoxin, therefore,
> > epileptics probably need it. Hope thihs helps.
> >
> > Best wishes for health and long life.
> >
> > Yours truly,
> >
> > R.M. CLemmons, DVM, PhD
> > Associate Professor of Neurology and Neurosurgery
> >
> >
> > For those who would like to make a tax-deductible contribution to our
> > program
> > and research, please contact Ms. Zoe Walker, Director of Development
and
> > Alumni
> > Affairs at walkerz@mail.vetmed.ufl.edu
> >

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:27:05 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Glucose tests
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Mollie's first glucose test has been done (after 6 doses of insulin) and
was still 425! I must say that two of those doses weren't very good--I need
more practice. So we're upping the dose to 18 units. Hopefully that will do
the trick. She kept me up last night whining again so I knew it still wasn't
where it should be.
I sure hope the next test is better. I'm afraid the high level will start
doing some serious irreversible damage. Poor baby, she's been such a trooper.
She did manage to lick her vet in the teeth before leaving -- payback!
Debbie & Mollie

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:30:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Dudley
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Hi, I don't post much but I thought I'd let you all know that Dudley seems to
be doing better. If you remember, Dudley didn't have many symptoms of
Cushsings. He had the excessive water consumption and urination. Nothing
else.

He's been on Anipryl for 1 week now. 30mg once a day. His urine actually
has color now! The vet is suppose to call us in 2 more weeks. I'm not sure
what happens next. Do they recheck blood or urine? Does anyone know what
happens after they've been on meds for a while?

Thanks,
Jan Glover, Seattle
Dudley, my Cushings Dog

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:39:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Dudley
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WOW, is that really 30 mg a day? How big is Dudley? Sweetie's been on 10
mg. daily. She weights 26-28 lbs. now.

Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Robert Glover wrote:

> Hi, I don't post much but I thought I'd let you all know that Dudley seems to
> be doing better. If you remember, Dudley didn't have many symptoms of
> Cushsings. He had the excessive water consumption and urination. Nothing
> else.
>
> He's been on Anipryl for 1 week now. 30mg once a day. His urine actually
> has color now! The vet is suppose to call us in 2 more weeks. I'm not sure
> what happens next. Do they recheck blood or urine? Does anyone know what
> happens after they've been on meds for a while?
>
> Thanks,
> Jan Glover, Seattle
> Dudley, my Cushings Dog
>
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:46:27 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: Lysodren Question
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Liza and Boomer:

You probably remember Rosie has Cushing's and diabetic symptoms right now. My
vet believes that once the Cushing's is under control the diabetes will
dissipate. I believe it is the diabetes that causes hind leg weakness in our
pets. Have you had Boomer's urine or bloodwork checked for glucose?

When Rosie's blood sugar is more regulated, she gains a little strength back
in her legs. However, we are still trying to regulate her with
Lysodren/insulin at present. She goes in for her second ACTH stim test next
Monday.

Today Rosie had a lot of problems with her hind legs. I am finally learning
to be more patient and know that next week we will most likely up her dose on
Lysodren. Her urine tests today were light to medium which is an improvement,
but she also lost control of her bladder and didn't even know it. Fortunately
she was in the garage at the time.

Liza, just remember if Boomer is experiencing some problem with high blood
glucose it doesn't mean it is forever, but you might want to check it out.
Even if it is Cushing's induced you still need to treat it.

Good luck and keep us posted. I have forwarded my response to the Muffin
list. You may get some responses from some of this very experienced and
caring group.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:56:00 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Jackie:

I know from what I have read and through stories such as yours that each case
is different, but it is difficult not to get a little impatient when your dog
is exhibiting all the signs of Cushing's after you have been treating her in
some way for almost two months. I feel sure Rosie dosage is too low, but hey,
it is suppose to be right now. We are just beginning maintenance and I know
my vet is being very cautious not to overdose her. Afterall, at her first
ACTH stim test she was too low. We don't want to deal with Addison's and pray
that we won't have to.

You are right, everyone is different. Thanks for your input about this
illusive treatment.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:04:24 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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Cybil and Patti

Thanks for the info about Three Dog Bakery website. I will check it out.

Judy and Rosie (I can smell them cooking!!)

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:08:07 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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Thanks again, Cybil

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:12:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Dudley
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Jenny,

Dudley is a Greyhound weighing about 75-77 lbs.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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What is 3 Dog Bakery and how do I find out about it please? Thanks.

At 09:37 AM 4/27/98 -0600, you wrote:
>DFRS2 wrote:
>>
>> Patti and Cybil
>>
>> Okay........I have to admit I have cooked dog biscuits from Three Dog Bakery
>> for Rosie. It fact the garlic and cheese are her favorites. She gets a bag
>> every year under the tree for Christmas (except I couldn't find the mix this
>> last Christmas). She knows what it is and gets so excited. In fact, she can
>> pick out all of her presents under the tree.
>>
>> I would like to know the website for Three Dog Bakery so I can find more mix
>> locally. Thanks.
>>
>> Judy and Rosie
>
>Judy and Rosie,
>
>I just checked and my earlier directions to Three Dog Bakery do work.
>Any problems, let me know. Cybil particularly likes the Apple Cinnamon
>Training Bits. After baking, we break them apart and as they dry out
>further, they harden and are really good teeth cleaning tools when she
>eats them because they are really like dog cookies. Good baking.
>
>Cybil and Patti
>
>
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>--------------------------------------------<
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kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:38:15 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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Dave and Ted:

Hope all is going well for Ted. Rosie completed her load in dose of Lysodren
on Sunday. She had an ACTH stim test on Monday and it was low. We started
her on a maintenance of 250 mg on Thursdays and Mondays so she has only had
one dose this week. She weighs 69 lbs. now, quite trim for her. She looks
pretty good. We had to increase her insulin because she has had med. to high
urine glucose all week so she will get 15 units starting tomorrow.

How is Ted doing on Lysodren? Any side effects?

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:01:59 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Bad Morning & a Heavy Dose
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At 10:45 AM 26/04/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Janet.....
>Just a footnote to my note last night.....the little dog went on her way about
>5 this morning. Her owners woke up and found her gone. It is a sad
>passing....she was one of my first patients in Memphis.
>Thanks to everyone for their kind thoughts..
>Lisa

Lisa,
It was the best thing to have happened.
Love,
Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:50:45 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Dudley
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Jan,

One of the big benefits of Anipryl therapy is that there is little followup
necessary. Your vet may check in with you and maybe do a urinalysis to see if
Dud is concentrating his urine and maybe do a liver test or two. If Anipryl
works for your guy, he is a lucky boy! It is working great for my own dog
and I have several patients on it too.

Oh, here is something incredible.......my mother brought her dog in on Sunday
for " drinking a lot and peeing in the house".........is this an epidemic or
what?

Lisa

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:52:32 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Dudley
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My Arthur is 47 lbs and taking 30 mg/day.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:09:40 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Question
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Judy and Rosie:
Thanks for your response. You asked if Boomer had his urine tested
for glucose. Yes, he did, and the glucose came back negative. That's
good, right? I am hoping we don't have to deal with diabetes also.
Boomer's urine did have some protein and a trace of blood in it. My
vet said this may indicate a urinary tract infection probably caused by
the Cushings. We have not given him anything for this, or for what
appears to be a slight skin infection. He said these should clear up
once we get into the Lysodren treatment. In any event, I have an
appointment with a dermatologist in 6 weeks as a follow up for the skin
problems.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:14:09 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren Dose
Message-ID: <19980428131410.27942.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Many of you have been talking about the dose of Lysodren your furbaby is
on, and I got Boomer's prescription filled last night. He will be
taking 125 mg twice a day during the loading phase. He weighs 13 lbs.
SOmeone saind they have a chihuahua that is taking 1500 mg a day. Boy,
that seems like a lot compared to what Boomer is taking. Also, it cost
me $34 for 12 pills of 500 mg each. Is it that expensive for everyone
else? For me it does not come out that expensive since Boomer takes a
quarter of a pill at a time. But for some of you it must get quite
expensive.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:48:11 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose
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In a message dated 4/28/1998 9:15:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lklosterman@hotmail.com writes:

<< Also, it cost me $34 for 12 pills of 500 mg each. Is it that expensive for
everyone
else? >>

I pay $55 for 21 500 mg pills -- not quite as much as you paid, but close.
Fortunately, Jessie only gets one a week now. I have to get them at a special
independent pharmacy in town that works closely with all the vets. The first
time I went in to pick them up, the woman behind me was dropping off a
prescription for her bird. This pharmacist is apparently a tremendous animal
lover, and he is willing to mix special meds and is really cooperative with
the vets.

Jackie and Jessie
Winter Park, FL

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:21:13 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980428142113.00a5c870@email.uah.edu>
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Hello Lisa and Boomer, I think you read that wrong somehow, Sunny is my
chihuahua and we said that she takes 1500mg a week, that is 500mg
Mon/Wed/Fri. We pay $5 a pill here in Alabama, I wish I could get it
cheaper, but we have to pay to help the baby and they know it. Regards
Jackie and Sunny

At 06:14 AM 4/28/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Many of you have been talking about the dose of Lysodren your furbaby is
>on, and I got Boomer's prescription filled last night. He will be
>taking 125 mg twice a day during the loading phase. He weighs 13 lbs.
>SOmeone saind they have a chihuahua that is taking 1500 mg a day. Boy,
>that seems like a lot compared to what Boomer is taking. Also, it cost
>me $34 for 12 pills of 500 mg each. Is it that expensive for everyone
>else? For me it does not come out that expensive since Boomer takes a
>quarter of a pill at a time. But for some of you it must get quite
>expensive.
>
>-- Liza and Boomer
>
>
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________
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>

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worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:22:42 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980428142242.00a673e0@email.uah.edu>
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I pay $60 for 12 500mg pills, Regards Jackie and Sunny

At 09:48 AM 4/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/28/1998 9:15:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>lklosterman@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< Also, it cost me $34 for 12 pills of 500 mg each. Is it that expensive for
>everyone
> else? >>
>
>I pay $55 for 21 500 mg pills -- not quite as much as you paid, but close.
>Fortunately, Jessie only gets one a week now. I have to get them at a special
>independent pharmacy in town that works closely with all the vets. The first
>time I went in to pick them up, the woman behind me was dropping off a
>prescription for her bird. This pharmacist is apparently a tremendous animal
>lover, and he is willing to mix special meds and is really cooperative with
>the vets.
>
>Jackie and Jessie
>Winter Park, FL
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:31:40 -0500
From: scott <scott@adams.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: addisons
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Jackie mentioned her fear of having to deal with addisons... interestingly enough
my vet mentioned adisons as a result over aggressive Lysodryn Rx, but said it was
not necessarily all bad! Addisons is easier to treat and monitor, the drugs are
cheaper & life expectancy is not any worse than cushings! She did not suggest or
imply this as a solution of course but said some vets have followed this as a
treatment protocol. Any one heard any of this.. there must be down sides [there
always is]?

DFRS2 wrote:

> Jackie:
>
> I know from what I have read and through stories such as yours that each case
> is different, but it is difficult not to get a little impatient when your dog
> is exhibiting all the signs of Cushing's after you have been treating her in
> some way for almost two months. I feel sure Rosie dosage is too low, but hey,
> it is suppose to be right now. We are just beginning maintenance and I know
> my vet is being very cautious not to overdose her. Afterall, at her first
> ACTH stim test she was too low. We don't want to deal with Addison's and pray
> that we won't have to.
>
> You are right, everyone is different. Thanks for your input about this
> illusive treatment.
>
> Judy and Rosie

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:55 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren cost
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So far, it looks like I'm getting the best price on Lysodren.

Are others getting it from a regular pharmacy or your vet? Anyone want me to
ask the pharmacy that I use if they're interested in mail order prescriptions?
I'll be picking up a prescription there this afternoon.

Jackie
Winter Park, FL

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:52:15 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose-dosage not $$
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My 35-pound Amaryllis is taking 375 mg. twice a day. We're in the second
loading phase, with no results though no side effects.

My vet said he likes to be conservative with the dosage, and I'm glad, but
I'm wondering if other people who have gotten good results have had to give
more?

At 09:21 AM 4/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Lisa and Boomer, I think you read that wrong somehow, Sunny is my
>chihuahua and we said that she takes 1500mg a week, that is 500mg
>Mon/Wed/Fri. <snipP
>
>At 06:14 AM 4/28/98 PDT, you wrote:
>>Many of you have been talking about the dose of Lysodren your furbaby is
>>on, and I got Boomer's prescription filled last night. He will be
>>taking 125 mg twice a day during the loading phase. He weighs 13 lbs.
>>SOmeone saind they have a chihuahua that is taking 1500 mg a day. <snip>
____________________________
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:56:33 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren cost
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980428145633.00a68cd4@email.uah.edu>
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Jackie in FL, yes please, if we can get it thru mail order cheaper, that
would be great, we get ours thru the vets. Thanks, Jackie in Alabama

At 10:47 AM 4/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>So far, it looks like I'm getting the best price on Lysodren.
>
>Are others getting it from a regular pharmacy or your vet? Anyone want me to
>ask the pharmacy that I use if they're interested in mail order prescriptions?
>I'll be picking up a prescription there this afternoon.
>
>Jackie
>Winter Park, FL
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:06:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: addisons
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I, too, have heard that the purposeful induction of Addison's is one
treatment option, but I'm not so sure it's a very attractive one.

For one thing, if a dosage of medication for Cushing's is missed, it's not
life-threatening. If medication is missed with an Addisonian dog, it can
be deadly.

Interesting endocine fact-o-the-day: JFK was Addisonian!

-Leslie

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, scott wrote:

> Jackie mentioned her fear of having to deal with addisons... interestingly enough
> my vet mentioned adisons as a result over aggressive Lysodryn Rx, but said it was
> not necessarily all bad! Addisons is easier to treat and monitor, the drugs are
> cheaper & life expectancy is not any worse than cushings! She did not suggest or
> imply this as a solution of course but said some vets have followed this as a
> treatment protocol. Any one heard any of this.. there must be down sides [there
> always is]?
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:15:12 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re. moaning
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kathleen richards wrote:
>
> What is 3 Dog Bakery and how do I find out about it please? Thanks.
>
> At 09:37 AM 4/27/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >DFRS2 wrote:
> >>
> >> Patti and Cybil
> >>
> >> Okay........I have to admit I have cooked dog biscuits from Three Dog Bakery
> >> for Rosie. It fact the garlic and cheese are her favorites. She gets a bag
> >> every year under the tree for Christmas (except I couldn't find the mix this
> >> last Christmas). She knows what it is and gets so excited. In fact, she can
> >> pick out all of her presents under the tree.
> >>
> >> I would like to know the website for Three Dog Bakery so I can find more mix
> >> locally. Thanks.
> >>
> >> Judy and Rosie
> >
> >Judy and Rosie,
> >
> >I just checked and my earlier directions to Three Dog Bakery do work.
> >Any problems, let me know. Cybil particularly likes the Apple Cinnamon
> >Training Bits. After baking, we break them apart and as they dry out
> >further, they harden and are really good teeth cleaning tools when she
> >eats them because they are really like dog cookies. Good baking.
> >
> >Cybil and Patti
> >
> >
> --
> >--------------------------------------------<
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
> kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com

Three Dog Bakery is bakery in or around the San Francisco Bay area that
is strictly for pets, dogs mostly, I think, that makes all natural
treats for dogs. if you have cable TV, check your listings to for the
Food TV network. Three Dog Bakery has a weekly show where they do some
baking for dogs as well as have some health tips. it's great. Someone
here posted yesterday that they have a web page, www.threedog.com. I
haven't tried it yet, so I don't know what's there. If you don't have
any luck with either of these, and would like some recipes that we have
taken from the show, let me know and I can either post them or mail them
directly to you if you will give me an address. Anyway, let me know.

Cybil & Patti

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:01:26 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose
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Jackie and Sunny:
You are right, I did read that wrong, but that still seems like a large
dose compared to others. How do you get Sunny to take such a big pill?
Do you break it up? I know what you mean about having to pay it. I've
spent over $700 in the past 6 months just diagnosing Boomer with
Cushings.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:21:13 -0500
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose

Hello Lisa and Boomer, I think you read that wrong somehow, Sunny is my
chihuahua and we said that she takes 1500mg a week, that is 500mg
Mon/Wed/Fri. We pay $5 a pill here in Alabama, I wish I could get it
cheaper, but we have to pay to help the baby and they know it. Regards
Jackie and Sunny

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:07:06 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren cost
Message-ID: <19980428160707.16380.qmail@hotmail.com>
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I'm getting it from a regular pharmacy and they had to order it. I'd be
interested in mail order if its cheaper.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:55 EDT
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren cost

So far, it looks like I'm getting the best price on Lysodren.

Are others getting it from a regular pharmacy or your vet? Anyone want
me to ask the pharmacy that I use if they're interested in mail order
prescriptions?
I'll be picking up a prescription there this afternoon.

Jackie
Winter Park, FL

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:07:37 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: Adeaver@aol.com
Subject: Lysodren source
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I checked with my pharmacist, and he is happy to fill mail order
prescriptions.

As I indicated earlier, I pay $55 for 21 500mg Lysodren tabs.
He would, of course, add any shipping charges, but that may
still save several of you a lot of money.

You must, however, get a prescription from your vet; you can
either mail or fax the prescription (and oops, I didn't get the
fax number, sorry)

Anyway, for more information, or to get a prescription filled,
here's the info:

Taylors Pharmacy
339 South Park Ave.
Winter Park, FL 32789
phone 407/644-1025

e-mail direct to pharmacist: ADeaver@aol.com

Hope this helps.

Jackie Lynn
Winter Park, FL

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:30:46 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980428163046.00a60550@email.uah.edu>
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Liza and Boomer, we give sunny 1/2 in the morning with her breakfast and the
other 1/2 at tea time, I give it to her in some of her meat then I feed her,
she is good at taking it, she thinks that the piece of meat is a goody
before the tea, bless her, she is at the moment at the vets having her stim
test and urine culture, I will be picking her up in less than one hour, it
has been a long morning knowing that she is there. Hugs to the baby. Jackie
and Sunny

At 09:01 AM 4/28/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Jackie and Sunny:
>You are right, I did read that wrong, but that still seems like a large
>dose compared to others. How do you get Sunny to take such a big pill?
>Do you break it up? I know what you mean about having to pay it. I've
>spent over $700 in the past 6 months just diagnosing Boomer with
>Cushings.
>
>-- Liza and Boomer
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:21:13 -0500
>Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose
>
>Hello Lisa and Boomer, I think you read that wrong somehow, Sunny is my
>chihuahua and we said that she takes 1500mg a week, that is 500mg
>Mon/Wed/Fri. We pay $5 a pill here in Alabama, I wish I could get it
>cheaper, but we have to pay to help the baby and they know it. Regards
>Jackie and Sunny
>
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________
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>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:00:57 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings group <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: anipryl dosage
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Jenny,

Gucci is a 36 lb Shar-pei and has been on 30mg a day. We just raised it
to 60mg daily because we're trying to get a handle on some dementia she
is experiencing.

Ripley

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:02:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl dosage
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At 11:00 AM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Jenny,
>
>Gucci is a 36 lb Shar-pei and has been on 30mg a day. We just raised it
>to 60mg daily because we're trying to get a handle on some dementia she
>is experiencing.
>
>Ripley
>
>I'm curious, how old is Gucci? My Dudley (Greyhound) is on 30mg a day and
he is 5 1/2. Maybe Dudley didn't have as may symptoms as your dog. Dudley
just had the excessive urination and water consumption.

Jan Glover, Seattle

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:30:32 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Penny
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>Toni,
> So glad to hear Penny is on the mend! Those setbacks can be really
>frightening sometimes. Here's hoping everything goes smoothly for her
>from now
>on.
> You have a very wonderful family of dachshunds. We call our little
>family
>(we only have 3 dachshunds) "The Wrecking Crew." It must look like
>"Demolition
>Derby" around your house.
>
>
> (Sorry to hear about the circumstances of Brandy's demise. What a
>nightmare.)
>Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
>trw@virginia.edu

Yes, we have quite a group here! They can be a demolition squad when we
have been gone a while.
Brandy's death was a hard thing to deal with. I loved her so much for so
many years. I have a great group that I love now too.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
in Michigan

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:26:22 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
Message-ID: <089264031191c48UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com>

Ted is on a radical Lysodren program, pioneered by the University of Utrecht
(Netherlands), which effectively shuts down the adrenal glands and replaces
the dose of steroids with daily oral medication. I discussed the matter at
length with Rob MASON and decided that this would be the preferable option
for Ted. Anipryl did not do much for him and the treatment of Addisons is
more easily controlled than juggling the Lysodren/medication balance.
So far he has only had one episode where the Lysodren seemed to overpower
him a bit and he had to have a couple of shots to raise his steroid level.
That was over a week ago and he has bounded back terrifically. He has the
old sparkle in his eyes and wants his walks regularly. His appetite seems to
have diminished to a 'normal' level and although he drinks plenty of water,
he is not overdosing like he used to.
There are some downsides to the treatment of Addison's, but like a human
diabetic, as long as the medication is available on a regular basis the
balance can be maintained. Ted is either with us or with people who know him
very well, so establishing a medication protocol is not difficult.
My first reaction to the thought of neutralising his adrenal glands was to
draw back. Rob MASON explained it clearly and has done extensive research
into the treatment. We have the outmost confidence in Rob and all the people
who deal with Ted, so our first reaction was tempered by the quality of
treatment he is receiving.
The results to date have given us encouragement.
Will keep you posted
Dave, Eileen and Terrible Ted.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:41:43 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl dosage
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You should not exceed a dose of 2.0 mg/kg of Anipryl for either Cushings or
senility in dogs. In the trials for cogntive dysfunction we did not exceed 1.0
mg/kg SID. A dose of 60 mg in a 36 pound dog may lead to side-effects.

Dave Bruyette, DVM, DACVIM

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:28:41 -0400
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren cost
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My Welsh Terrier Colby is on a maintenance dose of 250mg.of Lysodren three
times a week. I just filled a new prescription at a regular pharmacy. The
500mg pills cost me $3 each.
Colby went through one loading phase of two weeks and then went onto
maintenance. I am working with my vet locally and a vet at Tufts Veterinary
Hospital is consulting with us. By the way, we are treating an adrenal
tumor, not pituitary. The ACTH stim tests given after the loading phase
indicated that we successfully killed off the tumor cells. However, the
specialist from Tufts suggested that I get Colby's electrolytes checked to
make sure that we have not created an Addisonian dog. She indicated that
it would not be extremely horrible if that occurred. We could treat her with
medication. The specialist also said, as someone else has related, that
some veterinarians actually feel that it is okay to create an Addisonian
dog because Addison's disease easier to treat.
Jane

Liza Klosterman wrote:

> I'm getting it from a regular pharmacy and they had to order it. I'd be
> interested in mail order if its cheaper.
>
> -- Liza and Boomer
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:55 EDT
> Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Lysodren cost
>
> So far, it looks like I'm getting the best price on Lysodren.
>
> Are others getting it from a regular pharmacy or your vet? Anyone want
> me to ask the pharmacy that I use if they're interested in mail order
> prescriptions?
> I'll be picking up a prescription there this afternoon.
>
> Jackie
> Winter Park, FL
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:16:13 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Treating Cushings Disease
Message-ID: <19980428211614.3539.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Last night my husband and I wer discussing the treatment we are about to
embark on with Boomer and he asked a question that I had no answer for.
He asked, "What would happen if we just didn't treat the Cushings
Disease?" I would assume that eventually additional health problems
would arise that would be far worse, even life threatening, but I have
not come across anything in all the literature I have read that
discusses this. Does anyone have an answer for this? I guess what my
husband was wondering is this: If the treatment is so hard on the dog,
and can be difficult to get the correct dosage of drugs, why do it if
the disease was not life threatening? I have to assume that it is life
threatening if left untreated.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:09:38 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
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Liza --

Just as you are saying, so have I thought that if I did nothing to treat
Maggie's Cushings, what would happen? Maggie is a 12-year-old Irish Setter
and, as much as I can't stand it, I know she's at the "sunset" of her life.
I'm beginning to think that her constantly confusing reactions to the Lysodren
may not be a good tradeoff for a little longer life span, if indeed the
Lysodren will extend her life. Just recently, she fell down an entire flight
of stairs (15 steps), thankfully not doing any damage to herself, and other
things have begun to happen. Her appetite is haphazard at best and she is
beginning to vomit small amounts of food, but mostly a bile-like substance. I
now sleep downstairs with doors shut in the family room with her, both for the
vomiting and mostly because I do not want her to have access to the stairs
during the nighttime (I can only block off one set of stairs, the others have
no "blocking off" area). Her vomiting often occurs during the night and she
gets up around 1:30 a.m. and wants to go out. When I let her out, she roams
the backyard (fenced) for an hour or so. I am working closely with my vet on
her situation and he could not be more responsive. We've temporarily stopped
her Lysodren and are giving her Tagamet to see if that will stop her stomach
troubles. If not, she'll need to be tested to see if anything else is going
on. He tells me that what will probably get her finally will be kidney
failure, and I'm getting very discouraged. But I can't give up! She has been
so important to me that I have to do what I can, but the future is very
confusing, to say the least. I'd be interested if anyone knows of studies
which might have been done about life span and difficulties of leaving the
Cushing's alone. Thanks for your ear!

Lois (and Maggie :-))

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:51:25 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
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Liza Klosterman wrote:
> "What would happen if we just didn't treat the Cushings
> Disease?" I would assume that eventually additional health problems
> would arise that would be far worse, even life threatening, but I have
> not come across anything in all the literature I have read that
> discusses this. Does anyone have an answer for this?

I can tell you my vet's answer, which might or might not agree with
what others have been told. I asked the same question, since we now
have 2 dogs with Cushings--one diagnosed in Sept. '96, and the
other diagnosed almost one year ago. If they had Cushings due
to a tumor on the adrenal gland, (we thought at first that one of
the dogs did), he recommended surgery to remove the tumor, since
it could be cancer. But, since both have pituitary-dependent
Cushings, he didn't feel that it really mattered one way or the
other if they're treated--as long as the humans can tolerate
whatever symptoms are exhibited. We're fortunate--both dogs have
responded to the use of Chinese medicine, and are now both
symptom-free, so we're not using any traditional treatment.
The vet didn't seem to feel that it would effect their life
span much one way or the other if they're treated or not...but
then he also knows that I'd be making use of alternative
treatments, (and that one of the dogs has a long list of
other serious ailments), so that could have colored his
answer. When deciding what to do for the first of the dogs
diagnosed, I really pressed the vet for what he would do
if it was his dog...and he said that he would hold off
on treating, at least for now. It's now 19 months later,
and there is no reason for us to start treating him now
with the traditional medications. But, we are treating them--
just in a different fashion, and one that might not be
at all appropriate for others. And, in the case of one of
the dogs, all 3 vets who have seen him lately have noted
that it's handy that he has Cushings, and refer to him as
a "self-medicating dog"! He has been diagnosed with Wobblers
and degenerative myelapothy (diagnosed last December), and
normally, they would give steroids to treat that--but of
course, they won't be doing that in this case. Again,
he's responding well to Chinese medicine and supplements
for that too, so we expect that he'll have many happy,
healthy years ahead! In the case of both of our dogs,
we caught the Cushings early, which might be a factor in
why we don't need to be using medications.
Jeri

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:09:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Dudley
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Well, then that works out perfectly re dosage, at least signifying our
vets think alike. Sweetie's annipryl must have just kicked in, along with
a zillion herbs and vitamins, as she's been jumping on sofas,
playing ball, and chasing cats for the past two days. I don't know how
long this will last, but it's wonderful! FYI, she's been on the drug
consistently (taken off for 2 weeks by a new vet to view her symptoms)
for about 1 1/2 mos. I put her back on shark cartilege this a.m. as a
friend told me it seemed to help a friend of her's with cancer to keep
down the growth of his tumor so I thought Welll? might keep down the
growth of the pituitary tumor(s) on Sweetie; and actually one of the vets
at U of Illinois had previously recommended it, said he uses it with his
Great Danes (he's a breeder). Anyone else using shark cartilege?

Jenny

jk@bradley.bradley.edu

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Robert Glover wrote:

> Jenny,
>
> Dudley is a Greyhound weighing about 75-77 lbs.
>
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:05:15 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl Info
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Dr. Bruyette...

Being the curious person that I am...I was wondering if there was any
reference material on the web in regards to the testing of Anipryl
before it was approved. I'm just wondering how the 80% - 85%
improvement rate numbers were achieved as stated on the pamphlet
enclosed in the prescription boxes. Have these rates increased or
decreased?

I was also wondering how long a dog can be kept on Anipryl without
showing clinical improvement. Could you define "clinical improvement"?

Thank You... Linda

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:19:30 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren Cost
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I'm paying $2.20 a pill for Lysodren. I get it at a regular pharmacy as
it is not available thru my Vet. I tell you how I got that price....we
have several pharmacies here in this "one horse" town...I called each of
them and asked them to quote me a price...when they told me...I just
told them I was shopping around for the best price and each pharmacy
tried to outdo the other!

Linda

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Info
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I admit I feel guilt at having tried Ebony for so long on the Anipryl.
Maybe if I had gone right to Lysodren she would still be with me, despite
her other medical problems (which had been under control for years). No
matter how hard I try not to, I keep rethinking it all.

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, L Boyce wrote:

> Dr. Bruyette...
>
> Being the curious person that I am...I was wondering if there was any
> reference material on the web in regards to the testing of Anipryl
> before it was approved. I'm just wondering how the 80% - 85%
> improvement rate numbers were achieved as stated on the pamphlet
> enclosed in the prescription boxes. Have these rates increased or
> decreased?
>
> I was also wondering how long a dog can be kept on Anipryl without
> showing clinical improvement. Could you define "clinical improvement"?
>
> Thank You... Linda
>
>

--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:42:09 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl
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Kathleen....

You were only doing the best for Ebony! My Vet wanted to switch Schonus
to Lysodren after no improvement with Anipryl after four months. I
fought with my all to keep him on it but after six months and no
improvement, I knew it was time to switch to Lysodren.

If this might help you...I asked my Vet if I hurt Schonus by keeping him
on the Anipryl for so long and he said no.

Linda

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:45:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
Cc: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Addison's OR Cushings?
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Jane said:
<The specialist also said, as someone else has related, that
some veterinarians actually feel that it is okay to create an Addisonian
dog because Addison's disease easier to treat.>

Does this effectively mean that the dog with Addison's solely has
Addison's, or does it still "have Cushings?" If this is true, why are we
trying so hard to deal with the Cushings when we could easily switch them
to Addison's? Heck, JFK was a pretty perky guy.

Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, & a pretty perky gal herself these days
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:45:02 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: addisons
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I've heard of killing the Adrenal gland and making them Addisonian. My vet
talked to about it and said if they can't regulate C.B. that it might be an
option, but she wasn't real wild about doing it. They have to put them on
such a hi dose of Lysodren to do that and I think that's why it's not done
that often. Linda & C.B.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:48:22 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose-dosage not $$
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Hi Susan. C.B. has had three loading doses over the past year. She never
had any side effects but her signs and symptons never went away. Have
another ACTH the end of May. Linda &C.B.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:44:56 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
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>Last night my husband and I wer discussing the treatment we are about to
>embark on with Boomer and he asked a question that I had no answer for.
>He asked, "What would happen if we just didn't treat the Cushings
>Disease?" I would assume that eventually additional health problems
>would arise that would be far worse, even life threatening, but I have
>not come across anything in all the literature I have read that
>discusses this. Does anyone have an answer for this? I guess what my
>husband was wondering is this: If the treatment is so hard on the dog,
>and can be difficult to get the correct dosage of drugs, why do it if
>the disease was not life threatening? I have to assume that it is life
>threatening if left untreated.
>
>-- Liza and Boomer
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

The disease is life threatening when left untreated. Please seek treatment
for your baby. Penny was miserable before treatment and suffered alot. Her
case was resistive to treatment but she is happy and doing well on her
annipryl.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
in Michigan

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:48:41 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
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In a message dated 4/28/1998 5:18:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lklosterman@hotmail.com writes:

<< Last night my husband and I were discussing the treatment we are about to
embark on with Boomer and he asked a question that I had no answer for.
He asked, "What would happen if we just didn't treat the Cushings
Disease?" ...... If the treatment is so hard on the dog,
and can be difficult to get the correct dosage of drugs, why do it if
the disease was not life threatening? I have to assume that it is life
threatening if left untreated. >>

Liza, I can't answer your primary question about what would happen if you just
didn't treat the disease, but not every treatment is so difficult.

Jessie, my SP, was diagnosed early. We were just doing a routine, "gee, she's
getting old, let's run some blood tests" thing, and some of the levels
prompted my vet to test further, and make the Cushings diagnosis. This was
about six months ago. I had noticed that she seemed lethargic, but she'll be
12 in just a couple of weeks (on the National Day of Prayer, I think that's
nice), she has hip dypslasia, blind in one eye, etc., and I just assumed her
behavior was a natural aging thing.

She came through her loading like a champ -- not even a single barf. Perked
up, got alert, frisky, even assertive. Went to maintenance, and she's been
great ever since.

I know there's been some heart-wrenching stories on the list, but the nature
of a list like this is such that you're much more likely to hear of the
problems (when people are reaching out for help and comfort) than you are to
hear stories of things going along okay. So don't assume the treatment will be
horrible for Boomer -- it might just be the proverbial piece of cake.

Jackie
and Jessie
Winter Park, Fl

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:13:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sweetie's Homepage
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.980428210907.17341B-100000@bradley.bradley.edu>
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A friend of mine is developing a homepage for Sweetie, and it includes
photos of her and several other Tibetan Terriers from the Tibetan Dogs
listserv. Anyway, if you'd like to see a pic of her, this is the URL:

www.familypics.com/sweetie/

There are a few inside jokes, just ignore them.

Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:05:13 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: Adeaver@aol.com
Subject: Lysodren and other meds source follow-up
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Earlier I posted a notice saying that Allen Deaver, my pharmacist, would take
mail order prescriptions, and his prices appear to be lower than what others
on the list are paying.

Here are a few updates: I now have his fax number (see below); he suggests
faxing your prescription, shipping information, and credit card number with
expiration date all at the same time.

Slight price change: today I paid $56 for 20 500mg tablets -- still better
than what many of you are paying.

He told me:
"We are happy to help the members of your support group with any medication
needs. We are around the corner from a group of specialty vets (internal
medicine, orthopedic surgery, opthamology etc) who are constantly coming up
with new challenges for us. This means that if your friends are having
trouble obtaining any medication we have probably already prepared it for
someone else."

Taylors Pharmacy
339 South Park Ave.
Winter Park, FL 32789
phone 407/644-1025
fax 407-644-0160 (24 hours)

e-mail direct to pharmacist: ADeaver@aol.com

Jackie Lynn
Winter Park, FL

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:46:53 +0000
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
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Lois, I know all of our pets are different, but Maggie's responses seem
so like Bo's were over the weekend. I used my experience and judgement
(He has been treated for Cushings for over a year now.) to decide that
he was having an episode of too much adrenal supression from Lysodren. I
gave him the prednisilone we were told to keep on hand for such a case,
and he improved remarkably over the weekend. I had taken to our new
vet, and he didn't think it was Cushings related at all. Couldn't tell
me what it might be either, although he was kind and helpful in treating
the symptoms. Just to reiterate, bo was spitting up food and bile,
showing cognitive "depression" and weakness and just general extreme
lack of responsiveness.

He is now (as of Tuesday) completely recovered from those symptoms and
eating like a champ.
Judy

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:08:49 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980428230849.0079c820@pop.sirius.com>
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I can tell you from experience what could happen. My Amaryllis was really
healthy for a 13-year-old. Then, she seemed to slow down, lose energy and
the muscles in her chest and shoulders seemed really thin. An old leg
injury started to bother her. I took her to the chiropractor and he said it
was from a subluxation and she'd improve but she never did. I now realize
that she had cushings. In a year she went from being able to go on hikes
and mountain biking to barely being able to go for a six block walk. I wish
I had known about cushings in time to stop this.

Lisa wrote:
>Last night my husband and I wer discussing the treatment we are about to
>embark on with Boomer and he asked a question that I had no answer for.
>He asked, "What would happen if we just didn't treat the Cushings
>Disease?" <snip>
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas

"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham Van Helsing,
M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:46:03 EDT
From: Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sweetie's Homepage
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Jenny,
What an adorable dog and breed!!! How old is Sweetie? How about that
"Misty"---is she a tiebetin terrrier too??
I love all terrriers--too bad they aren't hypoallergenic--I have a Bichon
Frise who is and he doesn't bother my allergies at all.
Love the picture!
Debby

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:51:00 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: addisons
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I talked to my vet at great length about Addison's vs. Cushing's because I,
too, felt that it would be easier to control Addison's. His reply was that
Addison's dogs don't live nearly as long as Cushing's dogs and that
accurate control was much more important because dogs can die very quickly
with poorly controlled Addison's Disease. Cushing's doesn't react quickly
to treatment so the dog has some leeway in dosage, etc. In Addison's, it
MUST be controlled immediately or the dog will die. In my own case, my dog
with Cushing's is normal in most ways except for a very poor haircoat and
ravenous appetite. We are getting the appetite under control. She has
never been "sick" or feeling poorly. I just had a standard poodle that I
board in my kennel diagnosed with Addison's. I noticed that the dog was
just not the same dog that we had boarded in the past--she was quiet and
inactive. I mentioned it to the owner. Six weeks later, she was diagnosed
with Addison's. Interestingly enough, her vet wanted the dog brought in
IMMEDIATELY as soon as the disease was diagnosed. When my vet diagnosed
Cushing's in my dog, he gave me permission to go check out holistic
treatments before starting any drug therapy.

Janice & Annie

----------
> From: scott <scott@adams.net>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: addisons
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 1:31 AM
>
> Jackie mentioned her fear of having to deal with addisons...
interestingly enough
> my vet mentioned adisons as a result over aggressive Lysodryn Rx, but
said it was
> not necessarily all bad! Addisons is easier to treat and monitor, the
drugs are
> cheaper & life expectancy is not any worse than cushings! She did not
suggest or
> imply this as a solution of course but said some vets have followed this
as a
> treatment protocol. Any one heard any of this.. there must be down sides
[there
> always is]?
>
> DFRS2 wrote:
>
> > Jackie:
> >
> > I know from what I have read and through stories such as yours that
each case
> > is different, but it is difficult not to get a little impatient when
your dog
> > is exhibiting all the signs of Cushing's after you have been treating
her in
> > some way for almost two months. I feel sure Rosie dosage is too low,
but hey,
> > it is suppose to be right now. We are just beginning maintenance and I
know
> > my vet is being very cautious not to overdose her. Afterall, at her
first
> > ACTH stim test she was too low. We don't want to deal with Addison's
and pray
> > that we won't have to.
> >
> > You are right, everyone is different. Thanks for your input about this
> > illusive treatment.
> >
> > Judy and Rosie
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:09:34 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
Message-ID: <19980429130934.23743.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Toni,
Oh, we are definitely going to do the treatment, in fact we started
the loading dose of Lysodren yesterday. My husband was just curious as
to what would happen if we did not treat it.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:44:56 +0100
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease

The disease is life threatening when left untreated. Please seek
treatment for your baby. Penny was miserable before treatment and
suffered alot. Her case was resistive to treatment but she is happy and
doing well on her annipryl.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
in Michigan

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:14:09 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
Message-ID: <19980429131410.2064.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Jackie,
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I have talked with others who
have had not had many problems, too. And I think you are probably right
about hearing more of the bad than the good. Perhaps my husband is more
concerned because he does not read the mail on the list, he just hears
what I tell him. Maybe I'm not telling him enough of the good stories.
At any rate, I am going to keep a positive attitude and just see how
things turn out.
Thanks again!

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:48:41 EDT
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease

Liza, I can't answer your primary question about what would happen if
you just didn't treat the disease, but not every treatment is so
difficult.

Jessie, my SP, was diagnosed early. We were just doing a routine, "gee,
she's getting old, let's run some blood tests" thing, and some of the
levels prompted my vet to test further, and make the Cushings diagnosis.
This was about six months ago. I had noticed that she seemed lethargic,
but she'll be 12 in just a couple of weeks (on the National Day of
Prayer, I think that's nice), she has hip dypslasia, blind in one eye,
etc., and I just assumed her behavior was a natural aging thing.

She came through her loading like a champ -- not even a single barf.
Perked up, got alert, frisky, even assertive. Went to maintenance, and
she's been great ever since.

I know there's been some heart-wrenching stories on the list, but the
nature of a list like this is such that you're much more likely to hear
of the problems (when people are reaching out for help and comfort) than
you are to hear stories of things going along okay. So don't assume the
treatment will be horrible for Boomer -- it might just be the proverbial
piece of cake.

Jackie
and Jessie
Winter Park, Fl

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:22:23 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Addison's OR Cushings?
Message-ID: <19980429132223.5352.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

According to my vet, the problem with killing off the arenal gland
completely and creating an "addison's" dog is that the adrenal gland is
responsible for more than just cortisol production. It regulates sodium
and potassium (i think thats right) levels among other things, and you
don't want to be messing with those. I would be real hesitant to do
this.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:45:45 -0500 (CDT)
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
Cc: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Addison's OR Cushings?

Jane said:
<The specialist also said, as someone else has related, that
some veterinarians actually feel that it is okay to create an
Addisonian dog because Addison's disease easier to treat.>

Does this effectively mean that the dog with Addison's solely has
Addison's, or does it still "have Cushings?" If this is true, why are we
trying so hard to deal with the Cushings when we could easily switch
them to Addison's? Heck, JFK was a pretty perky guy.

Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, & a pretty perky gal herself these
days
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:39:04 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
Message-ID: <l03020900b16c96c85e9f@[206.153.79.29]>
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>Toni,
> Oh, we are definitely going to do the treatment, in fact we started
>the loading dose of Lysodren yesterday. My husband was just curious as
>to what would happen if we did not treat it.
>
>-- Liza and Boomer
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:44:56 +0100
>Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
>
>
>The disease is life threatening when left untreated. Please seek
>treatment for your baby. Penny was miserable before treatment and
>suffered alot. Her case was resistive to treatment but she is happy and
>doing well on her annipryl.
>
>Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
>and Gabe.
>in Michigan
>
>
>
>
>
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Penny is doing so well right now, I am so thrilled with her progress! She
has had a few setbacks since she started treatment but they were minor
compared to how she was before treatment. She is so alert and her tail wags
all the time, I am so glad that we did all we have with her treatment.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
in Michigan

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:41:51 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Cost
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980429134151.0070c114@email.uah.edu>
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Lucky you Linda, regards Jackie and Sunny

At 07:19 PM 4/28/98 -0300, you wrote:
>I'm paying $2.20 a pill for Lysodren. I get it at a regular pharmacy as
>it is not available thru my Vet. I tell you how I got that price....we
>have several pharmacies here in this "one horse" town...I called each of
>them and asked them to quote me a price...when they told me...I just
>told them I was shopping around for the best price and each pharmacy
>tried to outdo the other!
>
>Linda
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:36:57 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <35472CF8.77232EA6@warwick.net>
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I'm just a little annoyed/confused right now!! Why isn't the cost of
Lysodren the same in every state??? It's the same medication no matter
where you purchase it!! The disease itself is frustrating enough!!! In
my opinion, something is wrong..somewhere!!

Linda

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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 1990 15:38:26 -0600
From: David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19900705153826.007a8740@frontier.net>
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At 10:36 AM 4/29/98 -0300, you wrote:
>I'm just a little annoyed/confused right now!! Why isn't the cost of
>Lysodren the same in every state??? It's the same medication no matter
>where you purchase it!! The disease itself is frustrating enough!!! In
>my opinion, something is wrong..somewhere!!
>
>Linda
>
>
Linda,
Just as the price of gasoline, food, vet services, etc, etc, varies from
community to community so do med prices. The alternative is called price
fixing and is illegal in the US. For the most part your pharmacy pays
(within a few percentage points, based on purchasing volume the same as
other pharmacies), a net acquisition cost of about $195 per 100 tabs. As
someone suggested shop your pharmacies. You also will get a much better
price if you can by a stock bottle of 100, the pharmacy likely will be more
willing to give a better price if they do not have to hold a partial bottle
of a slow moving product such as Lysodren.
Dave, RPH

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:06:58 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Dudley
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Jenny Kellstedt wrote:
>
> Well, then that works out perfectly re dosage, at least signifying our
> vets think alike. Sweetie's annipryl must have just kicked in, along with
> a zillion herbs and vitamins, as she's been jumping on sofas,
> playing ball, and chasing cats for the past two days. I don't know how
> long this will last, but it's wonderful! FYI, she's been on the drug
> consistently (taken off for 2 weeks by a new vet to view her symptoms)
> for about 1 1/2 mos. I put her back on shark cartilege this a.m. as a
> friend told me it seemed to help a friend of her's with cancer to keep
> down the growth of his tumor so I thought Welll? might keep down the
> growth of the pituitary tumor(s) on Sweetie; and actually one of the vets
> at U of Illinois had previously recommended it, said he uses it with his
> Great Danes (he's a breeder). Anyone else using shark cartilege?
>
> Jenny
>
> jk@bradley.bradley.edu
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Robert Glover wrote:
>
> > Jenny,
> >
> > Dudley is a Greyhound weighing about 75-77 lbs.
> >
> >Would you mind telling me how much shark cartilege you are using and
does the amount vary with the size of the pup? thanks.

Cybil & Patti

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:07:58 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980429080758.00abaab0@pop.sirius.com>
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I think it's called "cost of living." Gas in northern california is at
$1.39 a gallon right now, and ice tea at a restaurant is $1 to $1.50!!
(Lysodren was $57 for 20 500 mg tabs at a major chain drug store)

At 10:36 AM 4/29/98 -0300, you wrote:
>I'm just a little annoyed/confused right now!! Why isn't the cost of
>Lysodren the same in every state??? It's the same medication no matter
>where you purchase it!! The disease itself is frustrating enough!!! In
>my opinion, something is wrong..somewhere!!
>
>Linda
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:36:01 -0400
From: "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Lurker comes out
Message-ID: <01BD7366.18994C00@c21a206.neo.lrun.com>
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Hi All,

I've been reading the messages on this forum gathering info for about 2 months. I had posted a few questions in the beginning, but my life became very hectic. My dog Brandy (12 years old Beagle Dachshund mix) was diagnosed with Cushings but we were still in the process of determining where it was coming from adrenal or pituitary. The day long test that is supposed to determine it came back inconclusive. They thought the reagent used in the test was bad, they sent it to the lab (University of Michigan I think) for analysis and determined it was ok. There was one more test to try we had it done last week. Brandy had really lost her appetite, and quite a bit of weight,so I began to give her "people food", boiled chicken, burger with rice just to get her to eat. In her early years Brandy was overweight, she looked good around 35-40lbs, she was down to 27. The weight loss was hard to notice because her liver was so enlarged her stomach bulged making her look huge.

I hadn't heard anything from the vet so I called yesterday to see if the results were back and to let them know Brandy was coughing and having trouble breathing, they told me to bring her right in. I knew it wasn't good. She was in congestive heart failure. They took an x-ray to be sure and put her in oxygen. It was confirmed and treating her would have only given her about another 2 weeks. At that point I decided she had been through enough and I knew it was time. I told them I wanted to be with her, so they brought her back in the room. I had her head in my hands and before they injected her, she looked up at me and let out a huge deep breath. It would be her last. Then they injected her, so she would not linger and suffer.

They now think that she may have actually had liver cancer that metastasized to her lungs. She had abdominal surgery in Feb and the liver biopsy came back -not cancer. The vet was certain just by looking at it, it was cancer. She was surprised when it wasn't and was told by the lab it looked the way it looked from Cushings. I'll never know for certain. I do know that I did everything I could for her.

Thank you for a wonderful forum and allowing me to share my story.

Jacci

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:05:15 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
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In a message dated 4/29/1998 10:44:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lboyce@warwick.net writes:

<< Why isn't the cost of
Lysodren the same in every state??? >>

It's not only different in every state, it's different from seller to seller.
It's call the free enterprise system -- capitalism in action.
Frustrating, yes. But certainly better than any alternative.

Jackie
Winter Park, FL

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:09:58 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <19980429170958.11923.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

One thing my pharmacist did tell me is that the more you buy at one
time, the lower the cost. IF I got 100 the priced was $2 a pill, but
for 12 it was $2.83 a pill. At the projected dose Boomer will be on for
maintenance, it will use 1 pill every 2 weeks, so 100 would last me for
200 weeks! I bet the shelf life is a tad bit shorter than that!

-- Liza and Boomer

----Original Message Follows----
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:36:57 -0300
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren Costs

I'm just a little annoyed/confused right now!! Why isn't the cost of
Lysodren the same in every state??? It's the same medication no matter
where you purchase it!! The disease itself is frustrating enough!!! In
my opinion, something is wrong..somewhere!!

Linda

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:16:50 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lurker comes out
Message-ID: <19980429171650.13324.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Dear Jacci,
I am so sorry to hear about your beloved Brandy. I know your heart
must be aching now. But remember that Brandy is free from her suffering
now and will be waiting for you at the Rainbow Bridge. Hold on to your
memories of Brandy, as they are all you have now, and through those
memories Brandy will always be with you.

-- Liza and Boomer(Mom, send Jacci a cyberhug from me, will you?)

----Original Message Follows----
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:36:01 -0400
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Lurker comes out

Hi All,

I've been reading the messages on this forum gathering info for about 2
months. I had posted a few questions in the beginning, but my life
became very hectic. My dog Brandy (12 years old Beagle Dachshund mix)
was diagnosed with Cushings but we were still in the process of
determining where it was coming from adrenal or pituitary. The day long
test that is supposed to determine it came back inconclusive. They
thought the reagent used in the test was bad, they sent it to the lab
(University of Michigan I think) for analysis and determined it was ok.
There was one more test to try we had it done last week. Brandy had
really lost her appetite, and quite a bit of weight,so I began to give
her "people food", boiled chicken, burger with rice just to get her to
eat. In her early years Brandy was overweight, she looked good around
35-40lbs, she was down to 27. The weight loss was hard to notice
because her liver was so enlarged her stomach bulged making her look
huge.

I hadn't heard anything from the vet so I called yesterday to see if the
results were back and to let them know Brandy was coughing and having
trouble breathing, they told me to bring her right in. I knew it wasn't
good. She was in congestive heart failure. They took an x-ray to be
sure and put her in oxygen. It was confirmed and treating her would
have only given her about another 2 weeks. At that point I decided she
had been through enough and I knew it was time. I told them I wanted to
be with her, so they brought her back in the room. I had her head in my
hands and before they injected her, she looked up at me and let out a
huge deep breath. It would be her last. Then they injected her, so she
would not linger and suffer.

They now think that she may have actually had liver cancer that
metastasized to her lungs. She had abdominal surgery in Feb and the
liver biopsy came back -not cancer. The vet was certain just by looking
at it, it was cancer. She was surprised when it wasn't and was told by
the lab it looked the way it looked from Cushings. I'll never know for
certain. I do know that I did everything I could for her.

Thank you for a wonderful forum and allowing me to share my story.

Jacci

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:26:15 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <f2108a4d.354762b8@aol.com>
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In a message dated 4/29/1998 1:12:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lklosterman@hotmail.com writes:

<< One thing my pharmacist did tell me is that the more you buy at one
time, the lower the cost. >>

Too bad this is prescription stuff, and we probably can't legally do some
sort of a co-op bulk buying thing.

Jackie
and Jessie
Winter Park, FL

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:39:56 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Info
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There are several publications on Anipryl in the treatment of PDH in the
veterinary and human literature and there will be some articles in veterinary
textbooks later this year. We see about 75-80% of the dogs respond clinically
to Anipryl and it generally takes 1-2 months to see clinical improvement. In
those dogs that dont respond or that start off with severe disease we will use
op-DDD or a combination of op-DDD and Anipryl.

Dave Bruyette

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:20:17 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980429182017.0073c514@email.uah.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
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Linda, I am in total agreement with you, I talked to my vet about it
yesterday and mentioned the cost in FL, she told me they get it directly
from the manufacturers but would not tell me the mark up price, LYSODREN IS
LYSODREN wherever you are, people who make MONEY from things like this make
me want to PUKE. Jackie and Sunny in Alabama

At 10:36 AM 4/29/98 -0300, you wrote:
>I'm just a little annoyed/confused right now!! Why isn't the cost of
>Lysodren the same in every state??? It's the same medication no matter
>where you purchase it!! The disease itself is frustrating enough!!! In
>my opinion, something is wrong..somewhere!!
>
>Linda
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:33:12 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lurker comes out
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980429183312.00737428@email.uah.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
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Hello Jacci, I am so sorry to hear that *Brandy* went to the *Rainbow
Bridge* know that we are all thinking of you at your time of loss and we
know that you did all that you could for him, our prayers are with you.
Jackie, Randy, SUNNY and Saphir (Cat Friend)

At 10:36 AM 4/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I've been reading the messages on this forum gathering info for about 2
months. I had posted a few questions in the beginning, but my life became
very hectic. My dog Brandy (12 years old Beagle Dachshund mix) was
diagnosed with Cushings but we were still in the process of determining
where it was coming from adrenal or pituitary. The day long test that is
supposed to determine it came back inconclusive. They thought the reagent
used in the test was bad, they sent it to the lab (University of Michigan I
think) for analysis and determined it was ok. There was one more test to
try we had it done last week. Brandy had really lost her appetite, and
quite a bit of weight,so I began to give her "people food", boiled chicken,
burger with rice just to get her to eat. In her early years Brandy was
overweight, she looked good around 35-40lbs, she was down to 27. The weight
loss was hard to notice because her liver was so enlarged her stomach bulged
making her look huge.
>
>I hadn't heard anything from the vet so I called yesterday to see if the
results were back and to let them know Brandy was coughing and having
trouble breathing, they told me to bring her right in. I knew it wasn't
good. She was in congestive heart failure. They took an x-ray to be sure
and put her in oxygen. It was confirmed and treating her would have only
given her about another 2 weeks. At that point I decided she had been
through enough and I knew it was time. I told them I wanted to be with her,
so they brought her back in the room. I had her head in my hands and before
they injected her, she looked up at me and let out a huge deep breath. It
would be her last. Then they injected her, so she would not linger and suffer.
>
>They now think that she may have actually had liver cancer that
metastasized to her lungs. She had abdominal surgery in Feb and the liver
biopsy came back -not cancer. The vet was certain just by looking at it, it
was cancer. She was surprised when it wasn't and was told by the lab it
looked the way it looked from Cushings. I'll never know for certain. I do
know that I did everything I could for her.
>
>Thank you for a wonderful forum and allowing me to share my story.
>
>Jacci
>
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:07:51 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Lurker comes out
Message-ID: <199804291900.OAA25048@npcc.net>
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I'm sorry to hear about Brandy. My thoughts are with you. Linda & C.B.

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:13:09 -0400
From: "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Lurker comes out
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Thank you for your kind words.

-----Original Message-----
From: Liza Klosterman [SMTP:lklosterman@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 1:17 PM
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lurker comes out

Dear Jacci,
I am so sorry to hear about your beloved Brandy. I know your heart
must be aching now. But remember that Brandy is free from her suffering
now and will be waiting for you at the Rainbow Bridge. Hold on to your
memories of Brandy, as they are all you have now, and through those
memories Brandy will always be with you.

-- Liza and Boomer(Mom, send Jacci a cyberhug from me, will you?)

----Original Message Follows----
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:36:01 -0400
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Lurker comes out

Hi All,

I've been reading the messages on this forum gathering info for about 2
months. I had posted a few questions in the beginning, but my life
became very hectic. My dog Brandy (12 years old Beagle Dachshund mix)
was diagnosed with Cushings but we were still in the process of
determining where it was coming from adrenal or pituitary. The day long
test that is supposed to determine it came back inconclusive. They
thought the reagent used in the test was bad, they sent it to the lab
(University of Michigan I think) for analysis and determined it was ok.
There was one more test to try we had it done last week. Brandy had
really lost her appetite, and quite a bit of weight,so I began to give
her "people food", boiled chicken, burger with rice just to get her to
eat. In her early years Brandy was overweight, she looked good around
35-40lbs, she was down to 27. The weight loss was hard to notice
because her liver was so enlarged her stomach bulged making her look
huge.

I hadn't heard anything from the vet so I called yesterday to see if the
results were back and to let them know Brandy was coughing and having
trouble breathing, they told me to bring her right in. I knew it wasn't
good. She was in congestive heart failure. They took an x-ray to be
sure and put her in oxygen. It was confirmed and treating her would
have only given her about another 2 weeks. At that point I decided she
had been through enough and I knew it was time. I told them I wanted to
be with her, so they brought her back in the room. I had her head in my
hands and before they injected her, she looked up at me and let out a
huge deep breath. It would be her last. Then they injected her, so she
would not linger and suffer.

They now think that she may have actually had liver cancer that
metastasized to her lungs. She had abdominal surgery in Feb and the
liver biopsy came back -not cancer. The vet was certain just by looking
at it, it was cancer. She was surprised when it wasn't and was told by
the lab it looked the way it looked from Cushings. I'll never know for
certain. I do know that I did everything I could for her.

Thank you for a wonderful forum and allowing me to share my story.

Jacci

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:25:47 -0700
From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Moaning
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DFRS2 wrote:
>
> Melissa and Amber
>
> A-hah another big dog...Rosie says Hi! Is Amber just diabetic?
>
> Judy and Rosie

Judy and Rosie,

Amber just has Cushings, she is not a diabetic. She went in on Monday
for her 2 hour ACTH test to see how she is maintaining. The vet called
back on Tuesday and said to keep her on the Lysodren 500mg once a week
and have her retested in 3 months. She seems back to normal except for
where she was shaved for her ultrasound her fur is coming back the color
of a chocolate lab not the golden color the rest of her is. Sorry it
took a few days to respond I have been slacking in the e-mail dept.

Thanks for asking about Amber

Melissa and Amber

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:27:38 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lurker comes out
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Jacci --

Our hearts break for you! It is so hard to do what you did, but you saved
Brandy so much suffering...

Lois

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:42:59 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Recipe for Dog Biscuits
Message-ID: <199804301042.UAA27593@fep6.mail.ozemail.net>
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>I just want to let you know that I do have a wonderful recipe for dog
biscuits as well - I just have to ask for clearance from another list to
pass it on - hopefully you'll have it sometime this week.

Hi again,

Well, here it is - Flint's "godmother" has given me permission to relay this
recipe to you all. I have left in her notes so that you can see how
delicious they must be. By the way, Flint is a Gordon Setter.

> Hi Setter Friends:

> Thought I would share this recipe for "liver cake" that my mom makes
> for our Gordon and Aussie. It is my Gordon's FAVORITE treat. Flint
> loves it soooo much that I think he would jump through a ring of fire
> just to get a tasty morsel! :-D His obedience has improved two-fold
> because of these treats. If you don't mind your house smelling like a
> garlic factory for about a day, then try this:
>
> 1 lb. liver (chicken or beef)
> 3 1/2 cups self-rising flour
> 2 cloves of fresh garlic
> 2 eggs
>
> Puree the raw liver and garlic until liquified. Blend in the
> eggs; add the flour to the mixture, using hands as needed to
> thoroughly mix it. Heavily grease or spray Pam on a cake pan and
> "splorp" :-) the mixture into it. Bake at 325 degrees for 45 minutes.
>
> Empty onto a cooling rack and cut when cooled. Store frozen what you
> won't use in a day or two.
>
As I don't know too much about Cushings and the limitations of diet, I hope
that you can all (sorry, I mean your furry, four-legged mates) enjoy the
cookies.

Regards to all,
Janet

Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:30:29 EDT
From: DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lurker comes out
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Jacci-

Thank you for your posting. I am so sorry for your loss of Brandy. It is
heartbreaking. I am sure you did all you could.

Susan & Spenser (the poodle)

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:53:54 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: "Brandy"
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Jacci,
So sorry to hear about your loss of Brandy. Our hearts and thoughts
are with you. God bless.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:44:04 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Dudley
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Jan and Dudley:

Rosie was on Annipryl for 30 days at 30 mg per day and she did fine......It
turned out that the Annipryl didn't work for her, but she felt better. Rosie
has a diabetic condition along with Cushing's that the Annipryl didn't curb,
so we changed her medicine to Lysodren.

Lysodren hasn't been that bad either, but it is taking a while to get her
regulated with the correct maintenance dosage. She also has not had the bad
side affects from Lysodren that I dredded so much.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:53:16 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Question
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Liza and Boomer

Glad to hear about the negative glucose test. It does seem to complicate
things.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:55:10 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose
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Liza and Boomer

Rosie took 1000 mg per day, but the price was nothing compared to Annipryl.
My first month for 30 mg per day cost me $165.00.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Dudley
Message-ID: <199804301904.PAA17480@u2.farm.idt.net>
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At 02:44 PM 4/30/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Jan and Dudley:
>
>Rosie was on Annipryl for 30 days at 30 mg per day and she did fine......It
>turned out that the Annipryl didn't work for her, but she felt better. Rosie
>has a diabetic condition along with Cushing's that the Annipryl didn't curb,
>so we changed her medicine to Lysodren.
>
>Lysodren hasn't been that bad either, but it is taking a while to get her
>regulated with the correct maintenance dosage. She also has not had the bad
>side affects from Lysodren that I dredded so much.
>
>Good luck and keep us posted.
>
>Judy and Rosie
>
>Hi Judy,

I'm glad Rose is doing fine. I was told that Lysodren was a chemotherapy
drug so it could have some wierd side effects, though it doesn't mean every
dog will experience them.

Keep in touch, so far Dudley is doing fine but hasn't had a recheck at the
vet yet.

Have a good day! It going to be close to 80 degress in Seattle today!

Jan Glover, Seattle WA
Duddley, my cushings dog

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:07:10 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Dose
Message-ID: <19980430190711.6203.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Judy and Rosie,
Ouch! That can put a hurting on the finances in a hurry! But you
gottat do what you gotta do!

-- Liza and Boomer

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Liza and Boomer

Rosie took 1000 mg per day, but the price was nothing compared to
Annipryl. My first month for 30 mg per day cost me $165.00.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:09:53 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Tea Tree Oil
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Will the person who recommended tea tree oil for me to try on Schonus'
staph infection, please let me know....if I remember correctly it was
because this person had staph themself and was using tea tree oil..

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:43:35 -0500
From: lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu (Leslie Lawson)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Induced Addison's Disease
Message-ID: <v01540b00b16ec80aeb02@[128.83.253.106]>
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To follow up in a little more detail on the issue of inducing Addison's
disease in Cushinoid dogs, here's a *long* quote from the veterinary
textbook, _The Adrenal Gland_:

<begin quote)

ADRENALECTOMY (Surgical removal of the adrenal glands)
Pituitary-dependent hypercorticism (Cushing's) results in bilateral
adrenocortical hyperplasia (an abnormal increase in the number of cells
composing a tissue or organ). Removal of both adrenals results in complete
resolution of signs attributed to Cushing's syndrome. This surgery
involves the risk of putting an ill animal, with a compromised immue system
and poor wound healing, trhough a difficult surgical procedure. As with
hypophysectomy (surgical removal of the pituitary gland), experience
minimizes these risks. However, these dogs must be treated for
hypoadrenocorticism (Addison's) for the rest of their lives, and they
always have the potential for developing a hypoadrenal crisis. Because
"medical adrenalectomy" is relatively easy to accomplish in dogs with
Lysodren, the risk of surgery seems unwarranted.

PLANNED INDUCTION OF PERMANENT HYPOADRENOCORTICISM: PLANNED MEDICAL
ADRENALECTOMY.
Favorable results associated with accidental induction of permanent
hypoadrenocorticism have prompted some veterinarians to suggest that all
dogs with hyperadrenocorticism undergo a treatment schedule aimed at the
complete destruction of the adrenal cortices. Substitution therapy for the
ensuing adrenocortical insufficiency would continue for the life of the
dog. The treatment protocol involves 25 consecutive days of o,p'-DDD
(Lysodren) at a dose of 50-70 mg/kg day and as much as 100 mg/kg daily for
toy breeds. He daily o,p'-DDD (Lysodren) dosage is divided into three or
four administrations per day, with food, to minimize neurologic
complications and ensure good intestinal absorption. Life-long prednisone
(0.1-1.0 mg/kg BID) and mineralocorticoid substitution is begun on the
third day of o,p'-DDD (Lysodren) administration. The prednisone dosage
should be tapered after the 25 day o,p'-DDD (Lysodren) schedule has been
completed (Rijnberk and Belshaw, 1988; 1992).

This protocol has several disadvantages. First, approximately 33% of dogs
so treated relapse with Cushing's syndrome within the first year alone
(Rijnberk and Belshaw, 1992), suggesting that periodic ACTH stimulation
testing is necessary just as with the traditional modes of treatment. This
treatment protocol is considerably more expensive than long-term treatment
with o,p'-DDD (Lysodren) because of the expense associated with treating
Addisonian dogs. Finally, the well-controlled Cushing's syndrome dog
receiving o,p'-DDD (Lysodren) several times a week or month is not in
danger if the medication is not given, whereas the dog with
hypoadrenocorticism must receive its medication to live.

<end quote>

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:14:01 -0500
From: lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu (Leslie Lawson)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Untreated Cushing's
Message-ID: <v01540b01b16ecbf9d7a2@[128.83.254.2]>
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Following up to the question of 'what happens if Cushing's goes untreated',
here's a quote from Randy Walker, DVM (see his *great* web site at
http://www.vethospital.com/cushings.htm).

First, though, I must say that regardless of the following grim prognosis
for untreated pups, I personally believe that the decision to treat or not
treat should be based on each little one's individual situation, the
knowledge and preferences of the owner and the recommendations of the
veterinarian assisting in the case.

Stepping down from my soapbox....

<begin quote>

WHAT CAN HAPPEN IF CUSHING'S IS LEFT UNTREATED?

If Cushing's is left untreated the clinical symptoms (including excessive
thirst, excessive urination, increased appetite, abdominal enlargement,
muscle weakness, increased panting, lethargy, obesity, hairloss, skin
infections, and hyperpigmentation) will become more severe. Untreated
Cushing's patients have clinical signs similar to patients who have been on
prolonged, high doses of cortisone-type medications for long periods of
time. In addition to the initial clinical signs listed above (excessive
water consumption and appetite, bloating, excessive urination, poor coat
with hair loss, skin pigmentation, etc), if it's left untreated, Cushing's
can eventually lead to diabetes, liver failure, kidney failure,
hypothyroidism, chronic infections of the skin, ears, gums, eyes, or
bladder, and obesity (which in turn adds to the tendency for heart disease,
joint problems, and cancers). The life expectancy for the untreated
Cushing's syndrome patient is greatly decreased.

<end quote>

Unfortunately, I think most of us are seeing or have seen these symptoms of
advanced Cushing's simply because it often takes so dog-gone long to
recognize the symptoms and get an accurate diagnosis!

-Leslie

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:15:24 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Induced Addison's Disease
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Do you have more information in the book you are citing "The Adrenal Gland" ?

Dave

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:17:05 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl dosage
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Robert Glover wrote:
>
> At 11:00 AM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Jenny,
> >
> >Gucci is a 36 lb Shar-pei and has been on 30mg a day. We just raised it
> >to 60mg daily because we're trying to get a handle on some dementia she
> >is experiencing.
> >
> >Ripley
> >
> >I'm curious, how old is Gucci? My Dudley (Greyhound) is on 30mg a day and
> he is 5 1/2. Maybe Dudley didn't have as may symptoms as your dog. Dudley
> just had the excessive urination and water consumption.
>
> Jan Glover, Seattle

Jan,
Gucci is 12 years old. She was experiencing constant pacing and panting
along with the increased thirst and urination.
Ripley

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:12:32 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <199805011112.VAA24302@oznet15.ozemail.com.au>
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At 10:09 AM 29/04/98 PDT, you wrote:
>One thing my pharmacist did tell me is that the more you buy at one
>time, the lower the cost. IF I got 100 the priced was $2 a pill, but
>for 12 it was $2.83 a pill. At the projected dose Boomer will be on for
>maintenance, it will use 1 pill every 2 weeks, so 100 would last me for
>200 weeks! I bet the shelf life is a tad bit shorter than that!
>
>-- Liza and Boomer

Well, I don't know - you should check with the manufacturing Company and
find out what their shelf-life is - then, if it's 4 years you're fine - some
products are very stable and some are not - you need to look at all that.
Do they do a 50 tablet pack because that would last you 100 weeks (or 2
years) and most products have 24 months stability.

Regards,

Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:12:39 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <199805011112.VAA24322@oznet15.ozemail.com.au>
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At 01:20 PM 29/04/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Linda, I am in total agreement with you, I talked to my vet about it
>yesterday and mentioned the cost in FL, she told me they get it directly
>from the manufacturers but would not tell me the mark up price, LYSODREN IS
>LYSODREN wherever you are, people who make MONEY from things like this make
>me want to PUKE. Jackie and Sunny in Alabama

I think you'll find that manufacturers are not allowed to have a
"recommended retail price" any more - it doesn't matter where you are in the
world - its the same. Some people charge more for all sorts of things to
cover costs - its called "keeping your head above water". It's just one of
those things. Unfair yes, but we are really talking about a moderately
small market here - we're just lucky that someone still has a product on the
market to treat the problem with. A lot of companies are just discontinuing
products as they're not worth the worry.

Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 05:46:07 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
Message-ID: <19980501124607.20117.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Thanks Janet,
I just assumed that all medicines should not be kept for more than a
year. I will have to look into it.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Well, I don't know - you should check with the manufacturing Company and
find out what their shelf-life is - then, if it's 4 years you're fine -
some products are very stable and some are not - you need to look at all
that. Do they do a 50 tablet pack because that would last you 100 weeks
(or 2 years) and most products have 24 months stability.

Regards,

Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:25:08 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
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Is this drug not used for Humans as well, I was under the impression that it
could be used for both, Jackie in Alabama

At 09:12 PM 5/1/98 +1000, you wrote:
>At 01:20 PM 29/04/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Linda, I am in total agreement with you, I talked to my vet about it
>>yesterday and mentioned the cost in FL, she told me they get it directly
>>from the manufacturers but would not tell me the mark up price, LYSODREN IS
>>LYSODREN wherever you are, people who make MONEY from things like this make
>>me want to PUKE. Jackie and Sunny in Alabama
>
>I think you'll find that manufacturers are not allowed to have a
>"recommended retail price" any more - it doesn't matter where you are in the
>world - its the same. Some people charge more for all sorts of things to
>cover costs - its called "keeping your head above water". It's just one of
>those things. Unfair yes, but we are really talking about a moderately
>small market here - we're just lucky that someone still has a product on the
>market to treat the problem with. A lot of companies are just discontinuing
>products as they're not worth the worry.
>
>Janet
>Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
>janetb@ozemail.com.au
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:06:33 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Costs
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At 11:25 AM 5/1/98 -0500, Jackie Siniard wrote:
>Is this drug not used for Humans as well, I was under the impression that it
>could be used for both, Jackie in Alabama

Yep, Lysodren's used in humans for both Cushing's and some cancers.
Here's an interesting bit of additional information on Lysodren from Thrive
Online <http://www.thriveonline.com/health/Library/drug/drug285.html>.
This was written with reference to humans, but the information is probably
applicable to pups as well. Of course, talk with your vet if you have any
questions about interactions with any drug he/she might have prescribed!

-Leslie
_________________________________________________
Possible Interaction of o,p'-DDD/Mitotane (Lysodren) with Other Drugs

GENERIC NAME COMBINED EFFECT
----------- ---------------
Antidepressants*
Increased central nervous system
depression.
Antihistamines*
Increased central nervous system
depression.
Central nervous system
Increased sedation.
(CNS) depressants*
Clozapine
Toxic effect on the central nervous
system.
Corticosteroids*
Decreased effect of corticosteroid.
Ethinamate
Dangerous increased effects of
ethinamate. Avoid combining.
Fluoxetine
Increased depressant effects of
both drugs.
Guanfacine
May increase depressant effects of
either drug.
Leucovorin
High alcohol content of leucovorin
may cause adverse effects.
Methyprylon
Increased sedative effect, perhaps
to dangerous level. Avoid.
Mind-altering drugs*
Increased central nervous system
depression.
Nabilone
Greater depression of central
nervous system.
Narcotics*
Increased central nervous system
depression.
Phenytoin
Possible increased metabolism.
Sedatives*
Increased central nervous system
depression.
Sertraline
Increased depressive effects of
both drugs.
Sleeping pills*
Increased central nervous system
depression.
Spironolactone
Decreased mitotane effect.
Tranquilizers*
Increased central nervous system
depression.
Trilostane
Too much decrease in adrenal
function.
Warfarin
Possible increased metabolism.

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 09:30:24 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Prepared Dog Foods
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At 09:57 PM 25/04/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Janet,
>Just curious, but what is available in prepared dog foods there? I am a
>veterinarian in the states, and yes....I do kinda have a problem with
>bones.....I know, many are going to all natural diets including bones...but
>after a few surgeries to remove them I am gun shy!
>I am feeding my own dogs a diet of raw venison and Flint River Ranch kibble,
>but I just can't MAKE myself do the bones.......goes against every bit of
>training I have had in traditional medical school.........Oh well....guess
>this old dog can't learn a new trick!
>Lisa

Hi Lisa,

Sorry to be slack in replying but things are fairly busy down here. We have
the normal-type prepared foods I guess, special tinned and dry foods for
dogs with various problems probably not in the great numbers you seem to
have in the States but enough (or more than enough as the case may be!).
There's a few vets here that the Australian Veterinary Association have
labelled "The Raw Meaty Bones Party" who have quite a big following. I
think that everything in moderation (as with ourselves) is fine. I have
been feeding bones (all uncooked of course) for about 11 years now and
(touch wood) never had a problem. I know that there are people who have
problems but I must admit, I don't feed lamb bones (except shanks) and take
beef shin bones off the dogs once they chew past the knuckles. I do however
feed my dogs raw chicken carcases (no legs or wings on them) which I get
from the local chicken shop where I buy my meat for us and brisket and the
lamb shanks which I get from my butcher. I understand that in the States
there is a big problem with Staphylococcus infections but can't understand
why, if you get carcases from a "human" supply you will get that sort of
problem. Perhaps the Health standards aren't the same there - I don't know.

I do know one thing - dogs today seem to have (like people) many more
ailments that they did say 30 years ago (when I was young! :))) - that was
when dogs got fed scraps and there wasn't all the processed dry and canned
stuff there is today. Nor was there all that problem with dogs teeth etc.
I must admit, my dogs get their veges (raw and cooked) and also get
left-overs (but only at meal times) and we don't have a lot of problems. My
last Gordon (Periwinkle) succumbed to cancer of the bowel and bladder at
about 9 years (18 months ago) but apart from that we really haven't had a
lot of problem - I also have an English Setter, Sylvie (coming up for 9 who
has gross osteo arthritis in both hind legs and is on Rimadyl - one every 2
days - and doing really well), a Heinz (57 variety) hound, The Judge (coming
up for 7 who has just lost 5 kg - about 12 lb and is looking good) and a
Gordon Setter, Breeze (who has survived to 18 months!).

I think I gave you a good idea of what I feed, raw grated carrot (makes them
think they're full), tuna or salmon, rice and vegetables followed by a
biscuit one night, 1 carcase each the other - with a biscuit of course. The
morning is 1 biscuit each with a piece of brisket. I am happy to say I
never have a problem with teeth either.

Anyway, I guess I'd better get off to bed - I'm due at the pool at 8 am
tomorrow for aqua aerobics (it's nice and gentle for us oldies!) and I have
to walk the dogs first.

Take care and give your furry mates a hug from all of us down here.

Janet, Alan, Sylvie, The Judge and Breeze
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:35:26 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Prepared Dog Foods
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In a message dated 98-05-02 19:31:50 EDT, you write:

<< I understand that in the States
there is a big problem with Staphylococcus infections but can't understand
why, if you get carcases from a "human" supply you will get that sort of
problem. Perhaps the Health standards aren't the same there - I don't know.
>>

I was under the impression with raw poultry ...the problem is Salmonella in
many cases...
Michelle

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:19:52 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
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Dave, Eileen and Terrible Ted:

Rosie and I would like to know more about Ted's Lysodren treatment. Rosie,
too, is on Lysodren just her first week of maintenance. She reacted too well
to the load in dose. The first two weeks of maintenance have been really
light because of her reaction. She has been on 250 mg twice a week. That's
is quite an adjustment after 1000 mg per day for 10 days. Some of the
Cushing's symptoms have returned and we have not been able to reduce her
insulin anymore. In fact, she is back to 15 units twice a day.

I feel certain that after her ACTH stim test Monday, the doctor will increase
her Lysodren dose. However, I respect his conservativeness for this first two
weeks. As you might remember, my doctor is the one that said Addison's is
more dangerous for Rosie than Cushing's. Hyperadrenal is better than
hypoadrenal.

It appears you may have some interesting treatments for Ted going on right now
and I would like to see you be a lot more specific if you wouldn't mind.
Although each case is different, we can all still learn from eachothers
experiences.

Thanks,

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:45:24 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: florescence@yahoo.com, Muffin@esosoft.com
Cc: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Diabetes Misdiagnosis?
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Kathleen and Mac:

Hi, and welcome to the group. My lab, Rosie, has been diagnosed with what is
called Cushing's disease. Cushing's disease is a hyperadrenal problem. I do
understand that dogs, cats and humans can have Cushing's disease. You may
want to have Mac checked for that.

There is another list you can check out that deals with Cushing's Pets. I
have sent your note to that group also, so you might here from some of them.
They are also a great group of individuals.

Here is how to subscribe if you are interested:

send an e-mail message to: listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu

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Good luck and keep us posted.

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:49:52 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Treating Cushings Disease
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Jackie and SP

What a great response. It is so true and thanks for the success story. Hope
Rosie will soon join the ranks!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 20:04:37 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Diabetes Misdiagnosis?
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Judy and Rosie,

I never saw Kathleen's post. Did I miss it?

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:45:24 EDT
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Cc: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Diabetes Misdiagnosis?

Kathleen and Mac:

Hi, and welcome to the group. My lab, Rosie, has been diagnosed with
what is called Cushing's disease. Cushing's disease is a hyperadrenal
problem. I do understand that dogs, cats and humans can have Cushing's
disease. You may want to have Mac checked for that.

There is another list you can check out that deals with Cushing's Pets.
I have sent your note to that group also, so you might here from some of
them. They are also a great group of individuals.

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Good luck and keep us posted.

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:06:04 EDT
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Jacci:

It sounds like you were a wonderfully caring mother to Brandy and am sure she
knew it. What a touching story for you to share with us. Thanks and take
care.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:38:56 EDT
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Judy and Rosie

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The Cross Room

The young man was at the end of his rope. Seeing no way
out, he dropped to his knees in prayer. "Lord, I can't go on," he
said. "I have too heavy a cross to bear." The Lord replied, "My son,
if you can't bear its weight, just place your cross inside this room.
Then, open that other door and pick out any cross you wish."

The man was filled with relief. "Thank you, Lord," he
sighed, and he did as he was told. Upon entering the other door, he
saw many crosses, some so large the tops were not visible. Then, he
spotted a tiny cross leaning against a far wall. I'd like that one,
Lord he whispered. And the Lord replied, "My son, that is the cross
you just brought in."

When life's problems seem overwhelming, it helps to look
around and see what other people are coping with. You may consider
yourself fortunate.

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I received this from another list and thought this group might enjoy it, I
did.

Judy and Rosie

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Someone sent this to me today and I thought it was cute

> << Where do pets come from?
> >
> >It is reported that the following edition of the Book of Genesis was
> >discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls. If authentic, it would shed light on
> >the question, "Where do pets come from?"
> >
> >And Adam said, "Lord, when I was in the garden, you walked with me
> >everyday. Now I do not see you anymore. I am lonesome here and it is
> >difficult for me to remember how much you love me."
> >
> >And God said "No problem! I will create a companion for you that will be
> >with you forever and who will be a reflection of my love for you, so
> >that you will know I love you, even when you cannot see me. Regardless
> >of how selfish and childish and unlovable you may be, this new companion
> >will accept you as you are and will love you as I do, in spite of
> >yourself."
> >
> >And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam. And it was a
> >good animal. And God was pleased.
> >
> >And the new animal was pleased to be with Adam and he wagged his tail.
> >And Adam said, "But Lord, I have already named all the animals in the
> >kingdom and all the good names are taken and I cannot think of a name
> >for this new animal."
> >
> >And God said " No problem! Because I have created this new animal to be
> >a reflection of my love for you, his name will be a reflection of my own
> >name, and you will call him DOG."
> >
> >And Dog lived with Adam and was a companion to him and loved him. And
> >Adam was comforted. And God was pleased. And Dog was content and agged
> >his tail.
> >
> >After a while, it came to pass that Adam's guardian angel came to the
> >Lord and said "Lord, Adam has become filled with pride. He struts and
> >preens like a peacock and believes he is worthy of adoration. Dog has
> >indeed taught him that he is loved, but no one has taught him humility."
> >
> >And the Lord said "No problem! I will create for him a companion who
> >will be with him forever and who will see him as he is. The companion
> >will remind him of his limitations, so he will know that he is not
> >worthy of adoration."
> >
> >And God created CAT to be a companion to Adam. And Cat would not obey
> >Adam.
> >
> >And when Adam gazed into Cat's eyes, he was reminded that he was not the
> >supreme being. And Adam learned humility.
> >
> >And God was pleased. And Adam was greatly improved.
> >
> >And Cat did not care one way or the other.
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:06:10 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Thanks for the information, Leslie.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:19:39 EDT
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Thanks again, Leslie.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:31:52 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Judy shared the story about the Cross Room -- and even though
this isn't about dogs or Cushings specifically, I couldn't resist
commenting.

This is a wonderful story, and I know it often helps us put our
own problems into perspective when we see how many other
people are so much worse off. But several years ago, I was going
through a very tough time (messy divorce, husband stalking and
threatening me, really awful), and I went with a group of people
from my church to serve dinner at the homeless shelter one night.
After most of the work was done, I was standing to the side,
chatting with one of our ministers, and I made the comment that
looking at those poor homeless people put one's problems into perspective.

And the minister said that while it was true that these homeless
people had problems, that my problems were very serious and
very real, and that I shouldn't let other people's troubles minimize
my own, that I had a right to my fear and grief and pain.

Put another way, just because others on this list have dogs who
are much sicker than mine, doesn't mean it hurts me any less
when I see Jessie uncomfortable or in pain. It's okay for even a
small cross to get too heavy once in a while.

Okay, off my soapbox for now ....

Jackie
and Jessie

Original post follows:

Thought you might enjoy this message.

Judy and Rosie

The Cross Room

The young man was at the end of his rope. Seeing no way
out, he dropped to his knees in prayer. "Lord, I can't go on," he
said. "I have too heavy a cross to bear." The Lord replied, "My son,
if you can't bear its weight, just place your cross inside this room.
Then, open that other door and pick out any cross you wish."

The man was filled with relief. "Thank you, Lord," he
sighed, and he did as he was told. Upon entering the other door, he
saw many crosses, some so large the tops were not visible. Then, he
spotted a tiny cross leaning against a far wall. I'd like that one,
Lord he whispered. And the Lord replied, "My son, that is the cross
you just brought in."

When life's problems seem overwhelming, it helps to look
around and see what other people are coping with. You may consider
yourself fortunate.

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:22:24 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Prepared Dog Foods
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At 07:35 PM 2/05/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-05-02 19:31:50 EDT, you write:
>
><< I understand that in the States
> there is a big problem with Staphylococcus infections but can't understand
> why, if you get carcases from a "human" supply you will get that sort of
> problem. Perhaps the Health standards aren't the same there - I don't know.
>I was under the impression with raw poultry ...the problem is Salmonella in
>many cases...
>Michelle

Hi,
You're undoubtedly right - I get my bugs mixed up occasionally however, I
still don't understand why we can buy chicken from the "human" supplier and
not have a problem with it.

Never mind, mine are thriving (dogs I mean, not Salmonella <VBG>)
Regards,
Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 10:56:01 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
Message-ID: <063863701180358UPIMSSMTPUSR05@email.msn.com>

Dear DFRS2,
Ted is on a course of medication which will disable
the adrenal glands and effectively make him an Addison's patient. This
resulted from a long discussion my vet and I had with Rob Mason on separate
occasions. There appears to be a division amongst vets as to the efficacy of
one method against another. Having the outmosdt respect for Rob Mason and
Ted's regular vet I weighed up the pro's and cons and Eileen and I decided
to go with it.
Ted receives 500mg. of Lysodren per day in four
doses, for 26 days. On the third day of treatment he receives half of a 1mg
tabletof Florinef, twice a day. He also receives 1 and 1/2 of a 1mg. tablet
of Prednisone twice daily for 32 days, then one tablet in the morning and a
half tablet at night on a regular basis.
He has been on the regimen for almost a month so
were are looking at discontinuing the Lysodren in a couple of days and then
going on with the maintenance dosage of Florinef and Prednisone, tailing
that off to the dosage that will sustain Ted for the rest of his life.
His reaction has been positive. In the first week it
looked as though the concentration of medication was telling on him and we
took him in to our vet and he stayed in overnight while they corrected his
steroid level. Since then he has improved in leaps and bounds. His appetite
is vigourous, but he is not ravenous. His water consumption is back to what
it used to be and he has regained all his former personality. In fact,
writing this, I have only just realised what a remarkable change there is in
him in the past two weeks. It is just 11.00a.m. and he has already dragged
me over to the park for two walks, such is his return to his previous
activity level.
I have read the posting which decried this method of
treating Cushing's by turning it into Addison's and I have to say that when
the article talks about 33% of animals treated reverted to Cushings
symptoms, I look at it that 67% didn't. There will always be divergence of
opinion on the 'best' way to do anything and, in Ted's case, we took what
counsel we could find, weighed the possibilities and went with his current
treatment. Though he will have to receive Prednisone and Florinef for the
rest of his life, I have a friend who is a diabetic and he manages quite
nicely on daily doses of insulin.
I hope this will provide you with some insight into what we hope will be
Ted's permanent return to good health.
Regards,
Eileen, Dave & Terrible Ted.

-----Original Message-----
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren

>Dave, Eileen and Terrible Ted:
>
>Rosie and I would like to know more about Ted's Lysodren treatment. Rosie,
>too, is on Lysodren just her first week of maintenance. She reacted too
well
>to the load in dose. The first two weeks of maintenance have been really
>light because of her reaction. She has been on 250 mg twice a week.
That's
>is quite an adjustment after 1000 mg per day for 10 days. Some of the
>Cushing's symptoms have returned and we have not been able to reduce her
>insulin anymore. In fact, she is back to 15 units twice a day.
>
>I feel certain that after her ACTH stim test Monday, the doctor will
increase
>her Lysodren dose. However, I respect his conservativeness for this first
two
>weeks. As you might remember, my doctor is the one that said Addison's is
>more dangerous for Rosie than Cushing's. Hyperadrenal is better than
>hypoadrenal.
>
>It appears you may have some interesting treatments for Ted going on right
now
>and I would like to see you be a lot more specific if you wouldn't mind.
>Although each case is different, we can all still learn from eachothers
>experiences.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:27:17 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
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How did Terrible Ted get his name? I think I saw a reference to that a while
back, but didn't see the whole story.

Jackie
and Jessie (there's a story behind my name, too!)

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:30:36 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: pls give complete info on dosage
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I'm always very interested to hear what dosages of what others are trying.
However, it's not really helpful when people neglect to include how much
their dogs weigh. (I'm afraid I can't remember what breed everyone's dog
is, maybe others can.)

I'd really appreciate it if, when others give detailed info, you include
the dog's weight or at least breed so I have something to compare with what
my vet is doing for my dog.
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas

"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham Van Helsing,
M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:28:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Medication Dosage
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Susan,

My dog is a male greyhound (Dudley). He weighs around 75 lbs. He is
pituitary cushings and is on Anipryl. He takes 30mg a day and he has only
been on it for 2 weeks now. He seems to be doing great!

Jan Glover, Seattle, WA

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:42:47 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
Message-ID: <0f6781748230358UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com>

Sorry, Susan. Ted is a Yorkshire terrier, weighing in at 12 pounds (when he
should be 9!). An interesting feature is that he has lost the density of his
fur and also the pigmentation. Instead of being black and tan he has turned
into a combination of champagne and silver. We keep him cropped fairly short
so he looks like a velour, stuffed toy. If it wasn't for the associated
condition he looks quite fetching. People automatically mistake him for an
old dog.
Regards,
Dave ROBERTS
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Date: Sunday, May 03, 1998 12:35 PM
Subject: pls give complete info on dosage

>I'm always very interested to hear what dosages of what others are trying.
>However, it's not really helpful when people neglect to include how much
>their dogs weigh. (I'm afraid I can't remember what breed everyone's dog
>is, maybe others can.)
>
>I'd really appreciate it if, when others give detailed info, you include
>the dog's weight or at least breed so I have something to compare with what
>my vet is doing for my dog.
>____________________________
>Susan Kuchinskas
>
>"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham Van Helsing,
>M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:52:11 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: A thought for the day - comment
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Ditto, Jackie. Well said.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:53:21 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
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In a message dated 98-05-03 15:35:08 EDT, you write:

<< I'm always very interested to hear what dosages of what others are trying.
>>
Mollie Bear is a keeshond mix, 58 pounds and is on 500 mg Lysodren a week
(half a pill twice a week = 500 mg/week) and is currently on 18 units of
insulin twice a day also. The insulin will probably change again. We can't
seem to get that under control yet. It's only been a week. She's had two
good days though but seems to be going downhill again. More water drinking
and panting and whining the last day or so. (Mollie is 8 years old).
Debbie & Mollie Bear

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 19:56:38 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Susan.....

Schonus now weighs 93 lbs. He was up to 102 lbs. He is taking 2000 mgs
a week.

Linda

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 19:58:14 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Susan....

Sometimes I click the "send" button too fast....Schonus is a Lab/Ret
mix.

Linda

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:26:05 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Terrible Ted and Lysodren
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Eileen, Dave and Terrible Ted:

Thank you so much for the detailed information about Ted's treatment. I am
going to print it out and show it to my doctor tomorrow. I know after hearing
the posts if must have been a tough decision to make for Ted. Your honesty is
appreciated and Rosie and I wish the best for Ted. Keep us posted on his
progress.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:32:57 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
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Susan:

It is nice to know what other dogs weight or their breed, but I cannot stress
enough that each one is different. I use to be in the same place as you are
now....wanting to compare what my vet was doing with Rosie to other's
situations. Now it is so much easier to realize that they are all so
different. I read one time that someone's chihuahua was getting much more
medication than my labrador. It was then I realized it didn't matter and I
couldn't compare.

Hang in there anyway.....we still learn from each other.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:34:37 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Medication Dosage
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Jan and Dudley:

Congratulations to you and Dudley. I know you are so relieved. Keep us
posted.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 20:54:35 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
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Hi Everone,
Boomer (miniature poodle, 12 lbs.) is on 125 mg Lysodren twice a day, on
day 5 of the loading phase. We havn't seen any decrease in appetite, thirst , or
urination yet. But I'm still hopeful that it will happen soon.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 20:59:43 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
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Oh yeah, I forgot -- Boomer is 11.5 yrs old. Does anyone know if it is possible to
get a list of everyone on the list with the info you supplied when you subscribed,
i.e. Owners name, e-mail address, pets name, breed, date diagnosed, etc.? Or is this
information considerd private or something like that? I would love to have a
reference sheet with this kind of information, then we all would not have to repeat
it in our posts so often. Just a thought...

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: List of People on List
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Liza,

Count me in, I would love to have the info also. It is so hard to keep track
of everyone on the list and their animals and medication and so on and so on.
If this is possible it would be greyt!!

Jan Glover, Seattle

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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 21:26:25 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
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Liza Klosterman wrote:
> Does anyone know if it is possible to
> get a list of everyone on the list with the info you supplied when you subscribed,
> i.e. Owners name, e-mail address, pets name, breed, date diagnosed, etc.? Or is this
> information considerd private or something like that?

One thing that people could do is put it under their name when they send
a post.
That way, if people don't care to share the information, they can still
be
part of the list, but for those who would like to share the information,
it's
in their post. We do this on the canine epilepsy list, if the people
would
like--we include information on the dog, their treatment, etc.
Jeri kurvenal@ameritech.net
Kurvenal: 7 1/2 year old Great Dane diagnosed with pituitary-dependent
Cushings--Sept. '96. Treatment so far: Chinese medicine.
Oblio: 8 year old flat-coated retriever diagnosed with
pituitary-dependent
Cushings--June '97. Treatment so far: Chinese medicine.

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:23:11 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re. details of persons on the list
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Not everyone may wish to give their identity, but as we are such a caring
and connected group I have no problem.
Eileen and Dave ROBERTS live in Delta, British Columbia, just 15 miles south
of Vancouver. I am a police forensic identification specialist, retiring in
January of 1999. Ted is a seven-years old Yorkie, weighing in at 12 pounds
instead of nine.
regards to all.