CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 34
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Needed a laugh
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
2) Re: Confused!
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
3) Re: Picky Eater
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
4) Re: Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
5) Re: Confused!
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
6) What does insulin do to non/diabetic?
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
7) Re: Confused!
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
8) Re: Confused!
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
9) Re: Confused!
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
10) Re: Picky Eater
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
11) Bad day for Boomer
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
12) Confused
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
13) Bad Day for Boomer
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
14) Re: Bad Day for Boomer
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
15) Diabetes Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
16) Re: Bad day for Boomer
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
17) Re: Bad day for Boomer
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
18) Re: Diabetes Test
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
19) Re: Diabetes Test
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
20) Diabetes Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
21) Questions
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
22) New Addition?
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
23) gallery additions
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
24) Re: New Addition?
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
25) worried...info please
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
26) Test results back
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
27) Re: Test results back
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
28) Pat & Sammy Cushings And Diabetes
by "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
29) Re: Pat & Sammy Cushings And Diabetes
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
30) Distended Stomach
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
31) Re: Distended Stomach
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
32) picky eaters
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
33) Re: picky eaters
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
34) Distended Abdomen
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
35) Thyroid Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
36) Picky Eaters
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
37) Re: Thyroid Test
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
38) What a difference a day makes
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
39) re-testing?
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
40) Re: re-testing?
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
41) Re: Thyroid Test
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
42) Re: Thyroid Test
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
43) Re: re-testing?
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
44) Re: Pat & Sammy Cushings And Diabetes
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
45) Re: re-testing?
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
46) Re: Pat & Sammy Cushings And Diabetes
by "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
47) Re: Pat & Sammy Cushings And Diabetes
by "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
48) Re: Rosie Update and What does insulin do to non/diabetic?
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
49) Re: [MUFFIN] CUSHINGS!!!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
50) Re: Pat & Sammy Cushings And Diabetes
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
51) Re: Fungal Skin Infections & Cushing's
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
52) (no subject)
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
53) Anipryl
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
54) Special Guest Listserv Host
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
55) Re: Special Guest Listserv Host
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
56) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
57) Re: Anipryl
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
58) Re: Special Guest Listserv Host
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
59) Re: Special Guest Listserv Host
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
60) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
61) Re: "Required" treatment
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
62) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
63) update
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
64) Re: update
by hilbro@juno.com (n b)
65) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
66) Re: new member
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
67) Fungal Skin Infections
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
68) eye-patch
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
69) Special Guest
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
70) Eye Infection
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
71) Diabetes Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
72) Re: Eye Infection
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
73) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
74) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
75) Re: "Required" treatment
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
76) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
77) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
78) Introduction: Linda and Sam Wroth
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
79) Re: Eye Infection
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
80) Re: Eye Infection
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
81) Re: Introduction: Linda and Sam Wroth
by CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
82) Re: Introduction: Linda and Sam Wroth
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
83) Re: Introduction: Linda and Sam Wroth
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
84) Re: Introduction: Linda and Sam Wroth
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
85) Rimadyl
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
86) Re: Rimadyl
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
87) Re: Rimadyl
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
88) Re: Rimadyl
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:53:22 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Needed a laugh
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Went to visit my vet on a bad day - he thought I needed a 'cheer-up'
and gave me
a copy of the following. Thought we could all do with a laugh....
LAUGH A WHILE
Reasons why dogs are better than men:
* Dogs miss you when you're gone.
* Dogs don't brag about whom they've slept with
* Dogs are happy with any video you rent because they understand
that the important thing is that you're together.
* Gorgeous dogs don't know they are gorgeous.
* Dogs know what "no" means.
* You can house train a dog.
* Dogs don't weigh down your handbag with their stuff.
* Dogs aren't threatened if you earn more than they do.
* Dogs mean it when they kiss you.
* Dogs are nice to your relatives.
And on why men are better than dogs:
* Men only have two feet covered in mud.
* Men don't have to play with every man they see when you take them round
the
block.
* Men open their own cans.
* Dogs have dog breath all the time.
* Hotels accept men.
On how men and dogs are the same:
* Both take up too much space on the bed.
* Both have irrational fears about vacuum cleaning.
* Both are threatened by their own kind.
* Both are bad at asking questions.
* Neither tells you what's bothering him.
* Both tend to smell riper with age.
* Both have a fascination with women's crotches.
* Neither does the dishes.
* Both fart shamelessly.
* Both like dominance games.
* Both are suspicious of the postman.
And finally, for men, why dogs are better than women:
* Dogs don't cry.
* Dogs love it when your friends come over.
* Dogs will forgive you for playing with other dogs.
* The later you are, the more excited your dog is to see you.
* Dogs don't notice if you call them by another dog's name.
* Dogs don't mind if you give their offspring away.
* Anyone can get a good-looking dog.
* If a dog is gorgeous, other dogs don't hate it.
* Dogs like it when you leave things on the floor.
* A dog's disposition stays the same all month long.
* Dogs understand that instincts are better than asking for directions.
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:50:40 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Confused!
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Linda, I too am anxious to hear what replies you get, because Sunny has
been
on a maintenance dose for over 6 weeks now and she eats like she has never
had any food and her water intake has increased drastically, she consumes
nearly 25oz a day and she only used to drink between 12-18oz, Randy is
contacting Auburn today to find out why she is like this and why she is
still so hungry, when she has had her breakfast she waits for more and all
thru the evening after her tea, she is constantly begging for cookies.
Confused with you. Jackie, Randy, Sunny, Saphir and Sadie at the Rainbow
Bridge.
At 06:58 PM 5/8/98 -0300, you wrote:
>OK...I give up! I'm totally confused. I thought that when the ACTH
>test results were "normal" (whatever the heck that word means!)
that the
>Cushing's was under control??? If so, then I don't understand why
>Schonus is still eating every meal like he hasn't had anything to eat
>all day, drinking over 1 gallon of water, panting, etc. I'm confused.
>He's been on maintenance for three months now. Am I being too
>impatient?
>
>Because of his recurrent staph and ear infections, my Vet started him
on
>pulse therapy with antibiotics but I thought that too much antibiotics
>can raise havoc with the kidneys? We just recently went back to get
his
>"feet" checked and I nearly fell over!! My Vet said they
looked good
>and Schonus & I have Susan K. to thank for that!! She recommended
the
>tea tree oil and his little "feet" are doing good! I also
started
>giving him yogurt with acidophilus bifidus. Wonder if that's helping??
>He also started getting a bout of diarrhea but thanks to Dillon...that's
>no longer a problem. It is absolutely hysterical when I bring out the
>pumpkin...Schonus' mouth starts watering like I've got a steak bone
to
>give him!!
>
>If anyone can help "unconfuse" me, I'd really appreciate it!
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:06:05 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Picky Eater
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>Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:25:46 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Picky Eater
>
>
> This is from Randy my husband as he can not post directly to the
> Cushings listproc. Anyway here's his reply to this message.
>
> Somedays our Sunny will not eat her canned food I guess it's kind
of
> like us and the stuff that's supposed to be *good* for us. You
know
> the stuff I'm talking about. Anyway, when Sunny won't eat we kind
of
> *trick her* and pick up the food bowl stir it around *act like
were
> adding something* then put it down, if that works it's great; please
> note however sometimes she figures it out and we have to really
add
> something. When this happens we usually add some more broth and
a
> little maybe a tablespoon or so of shredded cheese (the low fat
kind
> like I eat). This way we are not adding fat to the low fat food
she
> eats. Anyway she will usually eat it then. When all else fails
we
> just leave it sitting and eventually she goes back after her usual
few
> cookie treats. I guess the real answer here is *whatever works*.
>
> Randy
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Picky Eater
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 5/10/98 3:01 PM
>
>
>Hi All,
> Happy Mother's day to all the Moms of peoplekids and furkids! On
Friday I
>told y'all that Boomer's appetite had started to decrease. Well it
has
>continued to do so until this morning he would not eat at all...until
I offered
>him some cheese and rice. The little turkey just doesn't want to eat
his dog
>food! He is perfectly happy to eat anything else I may give him. Has
this
>happened to anyone else? I don't want him to get in the habit of holding
out
>for the "good" food, but I know he has to eat. Tomorrw we
go for another ACTH
>stim test. Then hopefully he will go on maintenance. Maybe his appetite
will
>stabilize then.
> Hugs to all the furkids out there!
>
>-- Liza and Boomer(But Mom, your cooking is much better than that ole
dog
food!)
>
>
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Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:09:41 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
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Hi and welcome. If you are ever in need of a vet who has dealt with
a Cushings
dog before, see Dr King at the North Carrollton Animal Clinic. He diagnosed
Ivan and got him started on his treatment before we moved.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
You're not going crazy, you're going sane in
a crazy world. - The Tick
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:06:47 -0400
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Confused!
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Hi to Susan and everyone else on the list. Besides just responding to
Susan and Linda, I wanted to send this to the whole list because I have
been thru this exact experience. Last summer, my scottie Kelso, was
diagnosed with Cushings. He went on lysodren and converted in 6 days.
Before loading he was drinking between 50-60 ounces of water daily. His
normal was 20-25 ounces. During loading this dropped to below 30 ounces.
Once he went on maintenance doses, his water intake went right back up to
40-60 ounces a day. We redid the stim test---it was normal. We tested
again for diabetes---it was negative. My vet then got back on the phone
with the endocrinoligist at the Purdue Vet School. They said it could
be
washing out of the kidneys (as Susan described, or a rare form of diabetes
called diabetes incipidus. They wanted to see him at Purdue. So I took
Kelso up for 3 days of testing including an ultrasound. They found small
masses in his kidneys. They did a fine needle aspiration---thank God, the
masses were benign. The test for diabetes incipidus was negative. To make
a long story short, they really did not find anything wrong besides that
fact that he still had Cushings and was still drinking a ton of water.
After they ruled out the tough stuff, they settled on a diagnosis that it
was psychological. No, my dog did not need a shrink!! Because Kelso had
been drinking so much water for so long, he simply felt that he needed to
keep drinking!! So what they recommended that I not give him ANY WATER
FOR
A WEEK!! Before you freak out, all I could give him was 30 ounces of
gatorade each day. We were going to re-teach his system how much fluids
he
needed. I had to carefully watch for signs of dehydration, but it really
worked!! Within the week, his fluid intake was back to normal. We slowly
re-introduced water and since then, he has been drinking normal amounts.
Hopefully, Susan and Linda, you can discuss this method of treatment
with
your vet. Please don't try this without working with your vets. We
eliminated the medical issues first.
Good luck!!
Doreen and Kelso
P.S. Have fun figuring out what flavor of gatorade your dog prefers!!
Kelso liked the orange the best :)
---------------------- Forwarded by Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems on
05/11/98 08:55 AM ---------------------------
hautlynx@sirius.com on 05/08/98 06:47:14 PM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: Re: Confused!
Hi, Linda, and everyone. Well, I just got the ACTH test back with exactly
the same results as you. That is, Test results normal, dog still all
screwed up.
Here is how my vet explained it to me:
There are some mechanisms in the kidneys that determine how concentrated
the urine should be. They work by osmosis. Some salts are in these tubes,
and these suck out excess water in the urine, keeping the body hydrated
and
the urine concentrated and less plentiful. (He explained it more
scientifically). He said that when Cushings patients keep drinking so much
water, these biological mechanisms can get "washed out." He said
they will
eventually return to normal. (I have a call in to him, to ask how long this
might take).
I am interested in hearing if others have had this situation. Lots of
people seem to see reduction in symptoms during course of initial
treatment.
Meanwhile, I'm considering trying to get her to drink some electrolytically
balanced fluid instead of plain water. I'll also ask the vet about this.
And let you know the results.
So, it's kinda good news bad news. But if their cortisol levels are normal,
they should start to improve. (Fingers and paws crossed for all of us.)
Susan and Amaryllis
At 06:58 PM 5/8/98 -0300, you wrote:
>OK...I give up! I'm totally confused. I thought that when the ACTH
>test results were "normal" (whatever the heck that word means!)
that the
>Cushing's was under control??? If so, then I don't understand why
>Schonus is still eating every meal like he hasn't had anything to eat
>all day, drinking over 1 gallon of water, panting, etc. I'm confused.
>He's been on maintenance for three months now. Am I being too
>impatient?
>
>Because of his recurrent staph and ear infections, my Vet started him
on
>pulse therapy with antibiotics but I thought that too much antibiotics
>can raise havoc with the kidneys? We just recently went back to get
his
>"feet" checked and I nearly fell over!! My Vet said they
looked good
>and Schonus & I have Susan K. to thank for that!! She recommended
the
>tea tree oil and his little "feet" are doing good! I also
started
>giving him yogurt with acidophilus bifidus. Wonder if that's helping??
>He also started getting a bout of diarrhea but thanks to Dillon...that's
>no longer a problem. It is absolutely hysterical when I bring out the
>pumpkin...Schonus' mouth starts watering like I've got a steak bone
to
>give him!!
>
>If anyone can help "unconfuse" me, I'd really appreciate it!
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas
"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham
Van Helsing,
M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:44:24 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <Muffin@esosoft.com>
Cc: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: What does insulin do to non/diabetic?
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Gretle the diabetic/cushings dachshund has no more cushings symptoms
with
anipryl. I have reduced her humulin N insulin from 7 units to 4 units in
her daily injection but her bg are still getting down to the 60s at peak
around noon w/glucometer elite that tests ok and urine strips show negative.
Highs have been below 150. Her food is fed 3/8 at 9am, 3/8 12 noon &
1/4 at
5pm.
If an animal or human animal is given insulin and is not diabetic, what
happens? Does the pancreas just stop producing until injected insulin is
used up, assuming there is sufficient food to produce glucose?
Anybody with cushings/diabetic animals have experience with the drop in
bg
as cushings symptoms decreased? Was this just a honeymoon or long term
change.
I dropped from 7 units to 6 units for 3 days, to 5 units for 2 days and
4
units today. I still got a 67 bg at noon. I am going to drop to 3 units
tomorrow with 1/2 food at 9am and 1/4 at noon and 1/4 at 5pm unless anyone
has different advice.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:44:53 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Confused!
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WHoa! Thanks for telling us this story. IT's good to know just that this
happens to others. My vet and I did discuss trying Gatorade, but he
cautioned me to provide water as well, so that if she wouldn't drink the
Gatorade she would still get fluids. I haven't tried it yet, right now I'm
spritzing her water with some "amino acid" supplement I got at
the health
food store.
I think I would not try that method unless under the supervision of a
vet
school. But it's interesting to consider. It's amazing it worked so quickly
for Kelso. I'm glad he's fine now!
Susan
At 09:06 AM 5/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hi to Susan and everyone else on the list. Besides just responding
to
>Susan and Linda, I wanted to send this to the whole list because I have
>been thru this exact experience. Last summer, my scottie Kelso, was
>diagnosed with Cushings. He went on lysodren and converted in 6 days.
>Before loading he was drinking between 50-60 ounces of water daily.
His
>normal was 20-25 ounces. During loading this dropped to below 30 ounces.
>Once he went on maintenance doses, his water intake went right back
up to
>40-60 ounces a day. We redid the stim test---it was normal. We tested
>again for diabetes---it was negative. My vet then got back on the phone
>with the endocrinoligist at the Purdue Vet School. They said it could
be
>washing out of the kidneys (as Susan described, or a rare form of diabetes
>called diabetes incipidus. They wanted to see him at Purdue. So I
took
>Kelso up for 3 days of testing including an ultrasound. They found
small
>masses in his kidneys. They did a fine needle aspiration---thank God,
the
>masses were benign. The test for diabetes incipidus was negative.
To make
>a long story short, they really did not find anything wrong besides
that
>fact that he still had Cushings and was still drinking a ton of water.
>After they ruled out the tough stuff, they settled on a diagnosis that
it
>was psychological. No, my dog did not need a shrink!! Because Kelso
had
>been drinking so much water for so long, he simply felt that he needed
to
>keep drinking!! So what they recommended that I not give him ANY WATER
FOR
>A WEEK!! Before you freak out, all I could give him was 30 ounces of
>gatorade each day. We were going to re-teach his system how much fluids
he
>needed. I had to carefully watch for signs of dehydration, but it really
>worked!! Within the week, his fluid intake was back to normal. We
slowly
>re-introduced water and since then, he has been drinking normal amounts.
>
>Hopefully, Susan and Linda, you can discuss this method of treatment
with
>your vet. Please don't try this without working with your vets. We
>eliminated the medical issues first.
>
>Good luck!!
>
>Doreen and Kelso
>
>P.S. Have fun figuring out what flavor of gatorade your dog prefers!!
>Kelso liked the orange the best :)
>---------------------- Forwarded by Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems
on
>05/11/98 08:55 AM ---------------------------
>
>
>hautlynx@sirius.com on 05/08/98 06:47:14 PM
>
>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>Subject: Re: Confused!
>
>
>
>
>Hi, Linda, and everyone. Well, I just got the ACTH test back with exactly
>the same results as you. That is, Test results normal, dog still all
>screwed up.
>
>Here is how my vet explained it to me:
>
>There are some mechanisms in the kidneys that determine how concentrated
>the urine should be. They work by osmosis. Some salts are in these tubes,
>and these suck out excess water in the urine, keeping the body hydrated
and
>the urine concentrated and less plentiful. (He explained it more
>scientifically). He said that when Cushings patients keep drinking so
much
>water, these biological mechanisms can get "washed out." He
said they will
>eventually return to normal. (I have a call in to him, to ask how long
this
>might take).
>
>I am interested in hearing if others have had this situation. Lots of
>people seem to see reduction in symptoms during course of initial
>treatment.
>
>Meanwhile, I'm considering trying to get her to drink some electrolytically
>balanced fluid instead of plain water. I'll also ask the vet about this.
>And let you know the results.
>
>So, it's kinda good news bad news. But if their cortisol levels are
normal,
>they should start to improve. (Fingers and paws crossed for all of us.)
>
>Susan and Amaryllis
>
>At 06:58 PM 5/8/98 -0300, you wrote:
>>OK...I give up! I'm totally confused. I thought that when the
ACTH
>>test results were "normal" (whatever the heck that word
means!) that the
>>Cushing's was under control??? If so, then I don't understand why
>>Schonus is still eating every meal like he hasn't had anything to
eat
>>all day, drinking over 1 gallon of water, panting, etc. I'm confused.
>>He's been on maintenance for three months now. Am I being too
>>impatient?
>>
>>Because of his recurrent staph and ear infections, my Vet started
him on
>>pulse therapy with antibiotics but I thought that too much antibiotics
>>can raise havoc with the kidneys? We just recently went back to
get his
>>"feet" checked and I nearly fell over!! My Vet said they
looked good
>>and Schonus & I have Susan K. to thank for that!! She recommended
the
>>tea tree oil and his little "feet" are doing good! I
also started
>>giving him yogurt with acidophilus bifidus. Wonder if that's helping??
>>He also started getting a bout of diarrhea but thanks to Dillon...that's
>>no longer a problem. It is absolutely hysterical when I bring out
the
>>pumpkin...Schonus' mouth starts watering like I've got a steak bone
to
>>give him!!
>>
>>If anyone can help "unconfuse" me, I'd really appreciate
it!
>>
>>Linda & Schonus
>>
>>
>>
>____________________________
>Susan Kuchinskas
>
>"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham
Van Helsing,
>M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas
"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham
Van Helsing,
M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:02:18 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Confused!
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I was on a medication for years that slowly but surely induced DI. Before
I
got off of it, I was up to about 12 litres of water a day, with the resulting
hourly or so visits to the little boys room. Which also payed hell with
my
sleep. One additional side effect was that I needed to make sure I got
ENOUGH
salt, as the lack of salt in my system was the apparent cause of this.
So, I
had to be careful about sweat too much. I knew I was in trouble if I couldn't
taste any salt on a potato chip!
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
You're not going crazy, you're going sane in
a crazy world. - The Tick
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:21:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Confused!
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When Melissa was fighting dehydration problems (despite the excessive
amount of water she was drinking!), we gave her unflavored (but
still kinda sweet) Pedialyte. So that she would drink as much as her
little body needed, we had to turn it into a game by feeding it to her
with a turkey baster. Such a funny site! ;-)
Boy oh boy, do I miss my sweet dog. Some days are still tougher than
others....
Leslie
On Mon, 11 May 1998, Susan Kuchinskas wrote:
> WHoa! Thanks for telling us this story. IT's good to know just that
this
> happens to others. My vet and I did discuss trying Gatorade, but he
> cautioned me to provide water as well, so that if she wouldn't drink
the
> Gatorade she would still get fluids. I haven't tried it yet, right
now I'm
> spritzing her water with some "amino acid" supplement I got
at the health
> food store.
>
> I think I would not try that method unless under the supervision of
a vet
> school. But it's interesting to consider. It's amazing it worked so
quickly
> for Kelso. I'm glad he's fine now!
> Susan
>
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:25:57 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Picky Eater
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Thanks Jackie and Randy. Tonight I tried heating up Boomer's food and,
boy did he like
that! My girls were trying to get to his bowl because it smelled so good!
He still
did not eat his usual amount, but every little bit helps! I'm sure I'll
learn more
tricks as time goes on!
-- Liza and Boomer (Gee, my dinner was really good tonight!)
Jackie Siniard wrote:
> > Somedays our Sunny will not eat her canned food I guess
it's kind of
> > like us and the stuff that's supposed to be *good* for us.
You know
> > the stuff I'm talking about. Anyway, when Sunny won't eat
we kind of
> > *trick her* and pick up the food bowl stir it around *act
like were
> > adding something* then put it down, if that works it's great;
please
> > note however sometimes she figures it out and we have to really
add
> > something. When this happens we usually add some more broth
and a
> > little maybe a tablespoon or so of shredded cheese (the low
fat kind
> > like I eat). This way we are not adding fat to the low fat
food she
> > eats. Anyway she will usually eat it then. When all else
fails we
> > just leave it sitting and eventually she goes back after her
usual few
> > cookie treats. I guess the real answer here is *whatever
works*.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:38:23 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bad day for Boomer
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Well, yesterday was a bad day for Boomer. The Lysodren has really taken
its
toll. I could just see in his eyes how bad he felt. His legs have been
weak
too. He has trouble getting up and he stumbles sometimes.
I did not give him any Lysodren before taking him to the vets for his
ACTH
stim test. I did not get a chance to talk to Dr. Crystal when I dropped
Boomer
off. When I picked him up Dr. Cyrstal had written up instructions to continue
with the Lysodren twice a day. I told the girl I had to talk to him before
I
left. When I told Dr. Crystal about Boomer's behavior he thought it best
to go
ahead to maintenance phase now. He said if the tests indicate we need to
conitinue on daily doses we will supplement with Prednisone. We should
get the
test results back in a couple of days. Meanwhile Boomer gets a couple days
break from the Lysodren. Will a couple days be enough to "bring him
back up"?
he seems a little better today, legs are still weak though.
-- Liza and Boomer
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