CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 35
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Rimadyl
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
2) New Puppy
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
3) Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
4) Re: "Required" treatment
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
5) Re: Rimadyl
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
6) Re: New Puppy
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
7) Re: Rimadyl
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
8) Re: Fungal Skin Infections
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
9) Amino Acids
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
10) Dismutase
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
11) PetsandVets
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
12) Re: Rimadyl
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
13) Re: update
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
14) Re: PetsandVets
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
15) Re: Rimadyl
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
16) Skin Shampoo
by "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
17) Rimadyl
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
18) Re: Rimadyl
by CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
19) Re: Rimadyl
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
20) Re: Rimadyl
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
21) Re: Rimadyl
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
22) Re: Skin Shampoo
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
23) Re: Rimadyl
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
24) Re: Rimadyl
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
25) Re: Skin Shampoo
by RitaSwim <RitaSwim@aol.com>
26) Re: Rimadyl
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
27) Re: Rimadyl
by CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
28) Re: Remove
by "Art Heapy" <heapyr@cadvision.com>
29) web sites?
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
30) Re: Special Guest Listserv Host
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
31) introduction
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
32) Re: Skin Shampoo
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
33) Re: web sites?
by CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
34) Re: introduction
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
35) Re: Rimadyl
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
36) Re: Cushing's and Diabetes
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
37) Quotes from pet newsgroup regarding Rimadyl
by Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
38) Info Needed
by V Tallman <VTallman@aol.com>
39) Re: Skin Shampoo
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
40) "SUNNY"
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
41) Re: "SUNNY"
by floyd@zianet.com
42) Abatement of Symptoms (was Info Needed)
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
43) Re: Quotes from pet newsgroup regarding Rimadyl
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
44) distilled water
by floyd@zianet.com
45) Distilled Water
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
46) "Sunny"
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
47) Info Needed, Please
by VERNON TALLMAN <vtallman@usa.net>
48) Re: "SUNNY"
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
49) Sunny
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
50) Re: "Sunny"
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
51) Re: was "SUNNY", now Ted
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
52) Re: Info Needed, Please
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
53) Re: Info Needed, Please
by CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
54) Re: Info Needed, Please
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
55) Re: Info Needed, Please
by CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
56) Re: Abatement of Symptoms (was Info Needed)
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
57) Re: distilled water
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
58) Re: Sunny
by "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
59) ACTH Stim test
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
60) Re: ACTH Stim test
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
61) Re: Distilled Water
by floyd@zianet.com
62) Re: Skin Shampoo
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
63) Re: distilled water
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
64) Re: soothing shampoo
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
65) more rimadyl
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
66) Re: soothing shampoo
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
67) Re: more rimadyl
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:06:35 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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Changes in weather can cause changes in insulin req.'s by affecting the
dog's
excersize patterns but this is rather uncommon. If her urine sugar is high,
and you were decreasing her insulin prior to this, maybe you have dropped
too
low..
My suggestion is to contact your vet and have a blood glucose curve done
before you raise her insulin level...or at least discuss it with your vet
before raising her dosages.
Good luck,
M. Brownstein DVM
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:41:00 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: "CUSHINGS" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: New Puppy
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Again I want to thank all of you who sent condolences for the loss of
our
Ginger. We really appreciated your support.
On a happier note, we will be getting a female, black & silver miniature
schnauzer in about 6 or 7 weeks. We thought it would take a long time to
find a new companion for our male mini, Riker, as there haven't been too
many litters around our area lately. (Thank goodness we belong to a
schnauzer club!) We miss Ginger so much and now we are looking forward
to
a new addition to our family. This puppy has some of the same bloodlines
as Ginger had in her pedigree - so that will make her extra special to us.
Sue O. and Riker (I'm lonely, Mommy)
SOkoniewski@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:59:45 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Diagnosis (no subject)
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Anipryl has about a 70% effect. So Lysodren is the next choice. In
additon,
unless all of the testing is done, there is no way of knowing if the Cushings
is pituitary or adrenal in nature.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
... no no, you can't take that away from me
Goodby, Frank.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:08:34 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: "Required" treatment
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I agree with Jackie. Ask questions, get answers. Remember, YOU have
to live
with the course of treatment (as well as the pup, of course), not the vet.
You
can find another vet, but finding another love puppy might be harder.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
... no no, you can't take that away from me
Goodby, Frank.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:46:00 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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Ivan was on both Lysodren and Rimadyl for slightly over two years, with
no
apparent ill effect. Just one experience.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
... no no, you can't take that away from me
Goodby, Frank.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:12:49 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Puppy
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It's nice to belong to a club like that. At least Riker could have some
contact, even if it wasn't his best friend. I'm glad you'll have a new
puppy
soon, our's comes home this Saturday!!!!!!
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
... no no, you can't take that away from me
Goodby, Frank.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:44:02 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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In a message dated 98-05-18 11:47:50 EDT, dillon.pyron@amd.com writes:
<< Ivan was on both Lysodren and Rimadyl for slightly over two
years, with no
apparent ill effect. Just one experience.
>>
That's great to know...
M. Brownstein DVM
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:24:42 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fungal Skin Infections
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A really good anti-fungal shampoo is called DERMAZOLE and can be purchased
from most all vet clinics.....
Lisa
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:49:30 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Amino Acids
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Does anyone know if amino acids would be beneficial to build up the
immune system??
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:59:17 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Dismutase
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I get so mad at myself when I click the "send" button too soon!
My Vet prescribed an antioxidant with Dismutase....never heard of it.
The antioxidant does not contain any Vitamin C either? Anyone know what
Dismutase is??
Thanx!
Linda
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:04:07 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: PetsandVets
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Dr. Brownstein.....
Very nice web site!! I live very close to your first
practice....Liberty, NY!!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:09:21 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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Debbie --
Re your question about interaction between Lysodren and Rimadyl -- Maggie
has
been on Rimadyl for about 6 months now and started Lysodren about 2 months
ago. My vet is extremely aware of everything to do with Maggie's
condition...I tease him, saying she is a "frequent flyer" and
therefore gets
special treatment, but the truth is, he's so great, everyone gets special
treatment...Anyway, she's not had any side effects from the two. As a matter
of fact, I'm also giving her veterinary Omega 3 fatty acid capsules. He
said
that one school of thought is that they help kidney function and it couldn't
hurt...good luck...
Lois (and Maggie)
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:49:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: update
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Valerie,
Is there a university with a small animal clinic near you? It sounds
to me
like Honey could benefit from another opinion. I personally found the
University of Illinois Small Animal Clinic a God-send, such a relief to
find out what was wrong with Sweetie after literally months of worry.
Seems like something should be done very soon with that eye which won't
close.
Susan, I think that's right, I second the suggestion of reading the
list's archives. There is an incredible amount of valuable information
from which you will benefit. My Tibetan Terrier, Sweetie, is on Anipryl
and doing quite well (fingers crossed), though she still experiences
muscular weakness in the back legs, though not markedly so. She takes lots
of vitamins every day, and the milk thistle is probably the most helpful
one. Henry Bliley also suggested flaxseed oil, and after only two weeks
of
two tablespoons a day (1 TB at breakfast, one at dinner) her fur is
growing back noticeably faster and thicker.
It is true how bonded you become through this trial. Sweetie literally
does not let me out of her sight when I'm home, and the Cushings diagnosis
has made me appreciate even more time spent with her.
Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Sat, 16 May 1998, Valerie Allen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I thought I'd update you on Honey. We still have no definitive
> diagnosis (I'm still here because I think Cushing's is a strong
> possibility), and the antibiotics have not helped clear up the facial
> paralysis. Well, I knew that was a long shot. It turns out that
> Thyroid levels were not included in her health panel, so I requested
a
> full thyroid work-up (thanks to all of you who suggested hypothyroidism
> as a possibility). The latest problem is an eye inflamation...she
can't
> blink on the affected side, and something got in there and caused a
> major irritation. Poor baby...droopy, drooling mouth, limp ear, red
> swollen third eyelid...it's truly a face only a mom could love!
>
> Thyroid results will be in Monday, we'll see. Thanks again for all
the
> great advice so many of you sent in response.
>
> Valerie and crew: Honey, Cleo and Bandit
>
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:16:21 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: PetsandVets
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Dear Linda,
Thanks and stop by if you're in the area.
Michelle
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:29:22 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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I think one point that is critical in older animals using Rimadyl is
to
monitor liver enzymes before and after starting this drug...I do this
frequently now in older patients with no undderlying problems routinely.
M. Brownstein DVM
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:08:18 -0400
From: "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
To: <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Skin Shampoo
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A couple of days ago someone mentioned a shampoo . Sammy hasn,t lost
her
hair but she doesn't have her old Maltese hair either. Happy with what
we
have , but her skin looks like it is dry & flakey. Hoped someone had
some
ideas.
Thanks, Pat & Sammy
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:59:20 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Rimadyl
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Thanks everyone for your input and info on Rimadyl. I did some research
on
the net last night about the drug and wasn't very impressed. I saw the
problem with Labs (strange) but Mollie is a keeshond mix (wolverine I
sometimes think!) Mollie won't be on it for much longer. (Maybe a week
at
the most) I just wanted something to ease her discomfort quickly while
"loading" her with vitamins. She's on the Winston's joint formula
at the
moment. (Any ideas on that? I'm having problems getting all those pills
down her.)
Where can I find the SynoviCre? Is this a vet or store product?
Also, how many units of insulin do your dogs take? I know all the dogs
are
different but I just want an idea how resistant Mollie seems to be. She's
58
lbs and is on 24 units. We started on 14 and have been easing it up ever
since.
Again THANKS for all the help! Debbie & Mollie Bear
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:04:52 EDT
From: CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
To: DLowder25@aol.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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Debbie,
SynoviCre is only available at the vet's office. I checked with the
manufacturer, thinking it might be available elsewhere. They did say I could
get it at Pet Smart, but only in the clinic section, through their vet,
and I
didn't pursue that. I don't know if the individual components are available
in
another form. I have a terrible time getting Targa to take pills, so the
fact
that these are liver flavored, chewable "treats" is a big plus
with me! The
tablets contain 600 mg. of glucosamine, and 500 mg. of creatine monohydrate.
They also come in a 300/250 mg version for smaller dogs.
Targa is on 38 units of Humulin N BID.
Hope this helps,
Anne and Targa
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:11:01 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: Muffin@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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M. Brownstein, DVM
Thanks for your response. I have a terrific vet who discusses everything
with
me! Always before Rosie's insulin is decreased, I must see a negative urine
test and then I only decrease it by 10%. My vet has made me understand
that
completely. Also, we discussed the actual routine I go through in giving
her
insulin injections to double check for any mistakes (i.e. do I keep the
insulin refrigerated, etc.) One thing that I was doing was, inserting
air
into the vial to help draw the insulin out. We thought that over 30 days
or
so it might possible compromise the insulin. So he suggested I not do that
anymore. I was going to buy more insulin today and throw the other bottle
away and see if the new insulin would bring her blood glucose back in line.
But then today, Rosie tested just medium this evening which was encouraging
even though still high. So I talked with my vet and we are going to finish
using the insulin that remains and wait until Wednesday before considering
raising her insulin to 12 units. Tomorrow is her first Lysodren since last
Friday, maybe that will help bring her blood glucose back in line.
Sometimes I worry too much and get in too much of a hurry. It appears
that
all pets have their ups and downs and good days and bad. I feel confident
that Rosie is receiving great care and only wish more for her.
Thanks again for your responses. It is always good to make each other think.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:36:44 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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Thanks, I will suggest that to my vet.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:43:09 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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Debbie and Mollie Bear:
Rosie is a lab weighing 69 lbs. and she gets 11 units twice a day. Remember
though, Rosie is I believe first a Cushinoid dog with diabetic symptoms.
So,
she is not the average diabetic. I wouldn't hang your hat on these stats,
just wanted to respond.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:23:25 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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My poodle's skin was extremely dry and flakey for several months. I
kept
asking my vet what I cold use on her and he kept telling me nothing would
work. Then, finally, she had classic fungus symptoms--red, scaley patches
with moth-eaten looking hair in between. Another vet at the same hospital
recommended an anti-fungal shampoo
I have used it for 2 weeks and the change is remarkable.
Janice & Annie
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> From: Capa97 <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
> To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Skin Shampoo
> Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 8:08 PM
>
> A couple of days ago someone mentioned a shampoo . Sammy hasn,t lost
her
> hair but she doesn't have her old Maltese hair either. Happy with
what
we
> have , but her skin looks like it is dry & flakey. Hoped someone
had some
> ideas.
> Thanks, Pat & Sammy
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:17:05 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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Sounds like you do a great jobn...I guess you keep everything logged
too...Yes, going over the storage and handling of insulin periodically is
a
good idea and I should have thought about that too..
Keep me posted...
Michelle
Sounds like you have a super vet:)
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:22:09 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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What is in Synovicare???I also like Glycoflex alot
M. Brownstein DVM
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:14:30 EDT
From: RitaSwim <RitaSwim@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: RitaSwim@aol.com
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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You might try an oatmeal-based shampoo (& conditioner, believe it
or not!).
My dry-skinned dachsie (diagnosed w/Cushings in March) has even more skin
problems now and our vet recommended this - it calms her down lots when
she
gets the "itchies". It may help, but I believe personally that
good health
and diet make the coats good or bad. When our babies get older, much less
sick, that changes the playing field a bit, doesn't it? I'm sure you'll
get
lots of recommendations for skin problem help - good luck!
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:27:22 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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On May 18, 8:29pm, Cybervet5 wrote:
> Subject: Re: Rimadyl
> I think one point that is critical in older animals using Rimadyl is
to
> monitor liver enzymes before and after starting this drug...I do this
> frequently now in older patients with no undderlying problems routinely.
>
> M. Brownstein DVM
>-- End of excerpt from Cybervet5
Agreed. In fact, one of the few "advantages" our Cushnoids
have is that they
see the vet on a regular (too regular?) basis and get bloodwork done.
As I've said before, having a good, working relationship with a vet you
trust
is the key to a long and happy life for our pets. Dr. Smith attributes
Ivan's
living long past what might have been expected for his condition to this.
We just called it love.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
... no no, you can't take that away from me
Goodby, Frank.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:03:09 EDT
From: CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
To: Cybervet5@aol.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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In a message dated 5/19/98 8:23:35 AM, Cybervet5@aol.com wrote:
>What is in Synovicare???I also like Glycoflex alot
>M. Brownstein DVM
The SynoviCre tablets contain 600 mg. of glucosamine, and 500 mg. of
creatine
monohydrate. The bottle reads " A full strength combination of Glucosamine
HCL and Creatine Monohydrate with additional glycosaminoglycans (perna
canaliculis, sea algae) and fortified with carbohydrates, amino acids,
vitamins and minerals.
Further down, in the ingredient list:
Glucosamine HCL, Sucrose, Maltodextrin, Creatine Monohydrate, Hydrolized
Vegetable Protein and Liver Powder, Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Stearate,
Green Lipped Mussel (perna canaliculis), DL-Alpha Tocopherol( Vitamin E
),
Kelp ( sea algae ), DL- Methionine, Selenium, Fish Oil.
They also come in a 300/250 mg version for smaller dogs. They are made
by DVM
Pharmaceuticals.
Our dog is a large lab mix- about 80 lbs., and she takes three of the
600/500
tabs a day. They are liver flavored, chewable tablets- which she thinks
are
"treats"- so they work well for us. Targa is almost impossible
to "pill", and
she can separate a "hidden- in -the food "pill in no time. When
we had her on
ascriptin, she started refusing food and even treats because she knew the
dreaded pill was was included.
By the way, You have a really neat web site- love the music and the animation
features!
Anne and Targa
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:16:04 -0600
From: "Art Heapy" <heapyr@cadvision.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Remove
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Could you please remove me from the list.
I am going away for a few weeks and I don't want to have five hundred
emails when I get back.
Thank you
----------
> From: RitaSwim <RitaSwim@aol.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Cc: RitaSwim@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 8:14 AM
>
> You might try an oatmeal-based shampoo (& conditioner, believe
it or
not!).
> My dry-skinned dachsie (diagnosed w/Cushings in March) has even more
skin
> problems now and our vet recommended this - it calms her down lots
when
she
> gets the "itchies". It may help, but I believe personally
that good
health
> and diet make the coats good or bad. When our babies get older, much
less
> sick, that changes the playing field a bit, doesn't it? I'm sure you'll
get
> lots of recommendations for skin problem help - good luck!
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: Cybervet5@aol.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: web sites?
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Ok, what did I miss? Where are these web sites? :)
On Tue, 19 May 1998, CBABTPC wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/19/98 8:23:35 AM, Cybervet5@aol.com wrote:
>
> >What is in Synovicare???I also like Glycoflex alot
> >M. Brownstein DVM
>
>
> The SynoviCre tablets contain 600 mg. of glucosamine, and 500 mg. of
creatine
> monohydrate. The bottle reads " A full strength combination of
Glucosamine
> HCL and Creatine Monohydrate with additional glycosaminoglycans (perna
> canaliculis, sea algae) and fortified with carbohydrates, amino acids,
> vitamins and minerals.
>
> Further down, in the ingredient list:
>
> Glucosamine HCL, Sucrose, Maltodextrin, Creatine Monohydrate, Hydrolized
> Vegetable Protein and Liver Powder, Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Stearate,
> Green Lipped Mussel (perna canaliculis), DL-Alpha Tocopherol( Vitamin
E ),
> Kelp ( sea algae ), DL- Methionine, Selenium, Fish Oil.
>
> They also come in a 300/250 mg version for smaller dogs. They are
made by DVM
> Pharmaceuticals.
>
> Our dog is a large lab mix- about 80 lbs., and she takes three of the
600/500
> tabs a day. They are liver flavored, chewable tablets- which she thinks
are
> "treats"- so they work well for us. Targa is almost impossible
to "pill", and
> she can separate a "hidden- in -the food "pill in no time.
When we had her on
> ascriptin, she started refusing food and even treats because she knew
the
> dreaded pill was was included.
>
> By the way, You have a really neat web site- love the music and the
animation
> features!
>
> Anne and Targa
>
>
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:05:15 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Special Guest Listserv Host
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Leslie, enjoy your time off, you deserve it for all the hard work you
put in
for us and our babies. Jackie, Randy, SUNNY, Saphir (Cat friend) and Sadie
at Rainbow Bridge
At 08:02 AM 5/16/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>Greetings folks. I wanted to let you know that you'll be treated
to a
>>special guest host for the next week! While I'm off goofing with
a group
>>of wild women in Virginia Beach and then in the Bahamas, my lovely
and
>>talented husband, Scot, will be managing the list.
>>
>>Although I've briefed him on the basics and he's quite a smart character,
>>he's not very familiar with the listproc system, so be patient with
him.
>>
>>I expect to be back on the 24th, all tan and relaxed. Have a happy
and
>>healthy week. Hugs to all of the Cushing's pups!
>>
>>-Leslie
>>Facilitator of
>>Cushings-Pets Web Page and Listserv and
>>Stuart-Alumni Listserv
>
>Have a great , relaxing time!
>
>Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
>in Michigan
>
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:48:02 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: introduction
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I'm happy to have found this list. Although Puffin, my 11.5 yr. old
Lhasa Apso, is currently doing well on Lysodren, it's always good to
share info with others. I've read a few of the digests and will get
through all of them eventually.
Puffin was diagnosed 3 years ago with Cushings and has been doing well
on Lysodren ever since. Now that our weather has turned hot and humid
she's been panting a bit. But air conditioning took care of that right
away. She also wakes up about 3am for a "sip of water" (out of
a Dixie
cup), but that's been going on so long I think it's a habit now.
She's also a picky eater, except for treats and vitamins. Some days she
doesn't touch her food, yet she's been gaining about a half a pound a
year for the past 3-4 years.
I try to take her for walks, but living in Wisconsin in winter isn't
always easy. So we've started again. We go about 1/2 a block. Some days
we get about 3/4 of the way home and she stops, looks up at me and says
"carry me home". I know the feeling!
I also was owned by a Basenji, Zulu, who had Addison's Disease and
leukemia. We were able to maintain him for almost 3 years. He was 8 when
he died. We got him and Puffin 1 month apart. And talk about drinking
water. He would empty the water bowl, both toilets and scratch at the
sink for more. I used to sleep on the sofa sleeper right next to the
patio door so I could let him out 10 times a night. But I loved him til
the end.
Anyway, Puffin is doing well and I'll do whatever I need to do to keep
her that way. Thanks for all the wonderful info on this list.
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:41:37 -0400
From: Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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My vet recommended supplementing Honey's diet with omega fatty acids.
It's helped her coat quality quite a bit, and no more flakes!
Valerie, Honey, Cleo & Bandit
===========================================================================
Capa97 wrote:
>
> A couple of days ago someone mentioned a shampoo . Sammy hasn,t lost
her
> hair but she doesn't have her old Maltese hair either. Happy with
what we
> have , but her skin looks like it is dry & flakey. Hoped someone
had some
> ideas.
> Thanks, Pat & Sammy
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:08:28 EDT
From: CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
To: krichard@acme.csusb.edu, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: Cybervet5@aol.com
Subject: Re: web sites?
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Website for Dr Brownstein:
http://www.petsandvets.com
Anne and Targa
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:10:28 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: introduction
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Welcome Sandy and Puffin!
Judy and Rosie (12 yr Lab, diag 3/98)
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:17:02 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rimadyl
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In a message dated 98-05-18 23:45:33 EDT, you write:
<< Rosie is I believe first a Cushinoid dog with diabetic symptoms >>
Judy & Rosie,
Mollie is a cushings dog who was just diagnosed with diabetes. She's
about
58 lbs and is on 24 units, which is likely to be increased again. I can't
get
her under control. The cushings, according to blood tests, is under control
so I don't know why the diabetes is being so stubborn. Good for you Rosie!
11 units, that's great!
By the way, you're from Dallas, right? I'm a big Dallas Stars fan (that's
hockey for you out there saying, huh?). Go STARS! Mollie and I watch
all
the games and cheer them on.
Thanks for the response. Debbie & Mollie Bear
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:38:27 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's and Diabetes
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Debbie and Mollie Bear:
Go Stars! Go Wings! Well, sounds like we are in the same boat with
dogs with
Cushing's and Diabetes as the same time. I guess we could refer to them
as
the "Dynamic Duo".
Rosie has been running pretty high the last week and it looks like we
may have
to go up to 12 units twice a day this evening if she still tests with sugar
in
her urine. She doesn't quite feel like herself.
Judy and Rosie (Dynamic Duo)
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:12:34 EDT
From: Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Quotes from pet newsgroup regarding Rimadyl
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Subject: Re: HELP!!!! My dog is suddenly lame! HELP!!!!!
From: luswinton@aol.com (LuSwinton)
Date: Tue, Feb 3, 1998 12:36 AM
Message-id: <19980203003601.TAA15063@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I hope this post will help someone's dog - It may not apply to yours,
but it
is
a warning about what has been happening around the country:
The Senior Dogs Project
Caring for Your Older Dog
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updated: January 22, 1998
Arthritis: Symptoms and Relief
Older dogs, like older people, often develop arthritis. The symptoms
are
similar to those in humans: difficulty in walking; difficulty in getting
up from a seated or lying position; difficulty climbing stairs; a
creaking, crackling, or "ratcheting" sound in the joints; an overall
decrease in mobility; an unwillingness to move; a slow, ungainly gait;
dragging the legs.
Rimadyl, a drug that was introduced recently by Pfizer Pharmaceuticals,
has proven to be a successful means of relieving arthritis symptoms in
many dogs. It is not without side effects, however. Please read the
following material to increase your understanding of Rimadyl so that you
may discuss its appropriateness with your veterinarian before deciding
to use it for your own dog. If you do not have the time to read the
material in its entirety, please read the synopsis.
Synopsis
While most dogs benefit from the use of Rimadyl, some have had toxic
reactions. In a number of cases, the toxic reactions have been followed
by death. The overall consensus to date is that Labradors may be
particularly susceptible to Rimadyl toxicity, although this is not clear
since the data are confounded by the fact that more Labradors than other
breeds have joint problems and are given Rimadyl for relief.
Veterinarians must be careful to pre-screen a dog before prescribing
Rimadyl and both owners and vets must be alert to signs of toxic
reaction. Pfizer recommends as follows:
"Since a significant number of patients receiving Rimadyl are older
dogs, it is advisable to conduct a geriatric examination and to consider
appropriate laboratory tests to establish hematological and serum
biochemical baseline data prior to administration of any NSAID
(non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug). Periodic monitoring may be
appropriate in certain patients. Owners should be advised to watch for
signs of drug intolerence such as inappetence, vomiting, diarrhea,
melena, PU/PD, anemia, jaundice, lethargy, ataxia, seizure, or
behavioral changes. . . . Recognition of possible drug related clinical
signs accompanied by withdrawal of the drug, and supportive therapy if
appropriate, has resulted in recovery of the vast majority of patients.
The side effects of this drug class, in rare situations, may be serious
and if corrective action is not taken may result in hospitalization and
even fatal outcomes." For the complete Pfizer statement, see the Pfizer
website Rimadyl page.
Dosage is also a consideration. Although the recommended dosage is
1mg/pound of weight, relief may be obtained with a lower dosage. A lower
dosage could be instrumental in avoiding toxicity.
Rimadyl may cause gastric upset in some dogs. It is recommended that
the
drug be given with food. Pepcid may be used concurrently to control
gastric upset.
There are many favorable reports of previously nearly-immobilized dogs
who have benefited significantly from the use of Rimadyl. These are
posted in the Commentary section below.
The table that follows summarizes reports by owners of dogs who had
negative reactions to Rimadyl . To read a report in full, click on the
contributor's name/e-mail i.d.
Reports Summary
Update: Jan. 20, 1998
Dog's Description
Report on Dog's Condition
Contributor
Chocolate LabDied, October 13, 1997Jean Townsend
LuSwinton@aol.com
Dog's DescriptionReport on Dog's ConditionReported By13 1/2 year old
female Labrador, "Chelsea"Died, October 10, 1997 Colleen Gerrior
COLLDOUG@worldnet.att.net9 year old female Black Labrador, "Bados"
Died
October 10, 1997Nancy Carr
CarrN@mail.dnb.com
5 1/2 old year female Black LabDied, July 14,1997Linda Moorehead
LMOORHD@aol.com13-year oldAlmost euthanizedName withheldLabradorReturned
to full healthVicki Zipf <sneaker@execpc.com>Westie, "Mandy"Still
recoveringBIGBLUE44@aol.com
REAL-LIFE REPORTS CONCERNING RIMADYL
The Senior Dogs Project offers the following reports concerning
experiences with Rimadyl. In an effort to prevent any legal action being
taken by Pfizer, the makers of Rimadyl, against the dog owners who have
written these reports, we have edited them so that no inflammatory or
libelous statements are made. The legal technicalities of "proving"
whether Rimadyl actually caused a dog's death are not addressed here. We
simply offer these reports to keep open the public forum on Rimadyl. You
will notice that , in addition to reports of toxic reactions to Rimadyl,
we have also posted comments from satisfied users.
We have posted contributors' e-mail addresses at their request. Should
you wish to contact any of them, they will welcome your communication.
>From Jean Townsend, Johns Island, SC. e-mail: <LuSwinton@aol.com>
"On Monday, October 13, 1997, I held my beloved Chocolate Lab, George,
in my arms for the last time while he was administered a fatal overdose
to end his five day ordeal. I had placed him on Rimadyl (2 tablets, .75
mg. daily) about 23 days previously. George had bad arthritis and
another medication (Arquel) had not helped him. Rimadyl seemed to be
doing the job; he ran and jumped for a while.
"On Sunday evening, October 5, George was inside with me. I was
watching
TV and he was lying on the floor next to my chair. I got up, went to the
bedroom, and got into bed. George did not follow. Next I heard a
scratching sound in the hall. It was George, crawling to me. He could
not stand. I thought he had pulled a muscle from running and jumping
with my other dogs, so I talked to him quietly. He laid down and went to
sleep. Next morning he seemed better and even walked with me to get the
newspaper. That evening, when I got home from work, I fixed him chicken
and rice because his appetite had decreased. He wouldn't touch it. I
thought he had gastritis, so I gave him some Pepto Bismol. The next day
he was much worse. He vomited a brownish liquid; he looked miserable and
could not get up. I rushed him to the vet. Nothing they could do brought
him around. My vet said he had just talked with some drug
representatives three or four days previously. They advised him that
there were some adverse effects showing up in dogs that had taken the
drug, but NONE HAD DIED. I have since learned that many have died and
many have suffered untold misery. George lay in his cage for five days
hooked up to IV's; his skin, eyes, and gums became a horrid yellow. When
I visited he could hardly hold his head up; but until that Monday,
October 13, he always managed to wag his tail.
"That Monday morning I learned George had had a blood-filled bowel
movement. My vet was on the line with the Pfizer Vet. They wanted some
more blood samples. As the vet techs reached into his cage and attempted
to get him out, I knew that George could not endure any more suffering.
That is when I said, 'No more; I have to let him go.'
"The Pfizer Company paid for the autopsy. Their vet suggested I
write a
letter to him which he would present to his Board to see if they would
pay for my expenses. The vet wrote back that the Board saw fit: ' . .
.to reimburse you in the amount of $28.37 for diagnostic procedures. In
addition, as a gesture of good will, the Board has recommended further
payment of $220.96. Your signature on the enclosed release will confirm
acceptance. Once the signed release has been returned to us, we will
send you Pfizer's check in the total sum of $249.33.' (Note from the
Senior Dogs Project Coordinator: To avoid possible legal action, we have
edited this contributor's notes about her reaction to this communication
from Pfizer.)
"Of course, no amount of money can bring my George back to me or
replace
his companionship and utter devotion to me. In his memory, I am trying
my best to alert as many people as I can about the experience George
had. It seems that vets are not being warned adequately. I have spoken
with many people whose beloved pets are on Rimadyl. None have said their
vets suggested prior workups before the drug was administered.
"There are other ways to ease the pain of arthritis in pets. I only
pray
that no more pets will suffer as my George did."
>From Colleen Gerrior:
"One week ago this morning, my 13-1/2 year old Yellow Labrador died.
We
strongly suspect that it was due to the Rimadyl because her vet had just
done a baseline health exam, and found that, aside from osteoarthritis,
Chelsea was a very healthy dog for her age. When she started to feel her
age about a year ago, we tried aspirin therapy, but found she did not
tolerate it. The vet then discussed Rimadyl, this new wonder drug for
older dogs. I asked her if Chelsea might be too old, and she said that
Rimadyl was in fact developed for the older dog. I read the information
pamphlet and thought for quite a while before deciding to start her on
Rimadyl. The side effects listed in the information pamphlet and the
occurrence of side-effects seemed so insignificant that we felt we could
get Chelsea through them.
"Within 6 weeks of beginning Rimadyl therapy, Chelsea began sporadic
vomiting, then stopped eating and drinking, and became totally listless
and unresponsive. I took her to the vet for observation. One look at
Chelsea and the vet immediately hooked her up to I.V.'s and did
bloodwork. Her liver and kidney values had soared off the scales. The
vet spent the next week in phone conferences with Pfizer. We thought we
had brought Chelsea out of it when I took her home 10 days later because
she had started eating chicken -- nothing else, but it was a start. Her
liver and kidney values returned to normal. Shortly, though, she again
became unresponsive and couldn't stand without the help of a sling that
I made from a beach towel. She again refused all food and water. In an
attempt to keep her from dehydrating, I siphoned water through a straw
and inserted the straw through her teeth. This was a futile effort, and
two days later she awoke with labored breathing and I took her back to
the vet. Due to dehydration, she had developed heart murmurs. The vet
immediately put her back on I.V.'s and the next day, after seeking the
advice of a nutritionist, started a feeding tube. The damage from a
state of anorexia takes a few weeks to reverse , and that's what we were
working towards. The vet was very optimistic, and never gave up the hope
that she could pull Chelsea through. Even last Monday afternoon, she
helped Chelsea to her feet to show me that her fight was still strong --
that she was trying to stand on her own. Tuesday morning the vet took
Chelsea outside to let her relieve herself and to get out of the kennel
a bit. When they returned inside, Chelsea developed breathing problems.
Before the vet could get a shot of steroids ready, Chelsea closed her
eyes and went to sleep. I guess that was her way of saying she had had
enough.
"I am writing this to you not as a sad story, but as a topic I believe
should be presented. I've heard more people say how wonderful this new
drug is, and while Pfizer maintains there are few known side effects, my
friend is dead. Vets are telling their clients that there are no side
effects, or that the side effects are too minimal to worry about. There
ARE side effects, and they need to be addressed. Perhaps Chelsea is only
one of the 4% of dogs experiencing known side effects, but she was not
one of their "control" animals -- she was a member of our family
who is
now deeply missed."
Report received January 8, 1998, from LMOORHD <LMOORHD@aol.com:
"We lost our 5 1/2 old year Black Lab on July 14,1997. In March
1997 her
annual exam found her health to be normal. In late April she injured her
left front wrist. Our vet recommended Rimadyl, which worked very well in
her recovery. After taking the drug for two weeks she began vomiting and
refused to eat. At the time my vet was not overly concerned and could
not find any reason for her illness. What my vet and I did not realize
was that the vomiting and lack of appetite was related to liver
disfunction brought about by a toxic reaction to Rimadyl. She came
through that episode and returned to normal as far as we knew. When she
reinjured the wrist in early June, I gave her the Rimadyl for two days
and the vomiting began again. I thought she had an upset stomach. I had
no idea what was happening to her liver. Two days later I checked her
eyes and the whites were yellow. We rushed her to the vet and she was
hospitalized for seven days. Thus began a month of frequent
hospitalizations, visits to specialists and her slow and painful
deterioration toward death."
>From Nancy Carr, CarrN@mail.dnb.com:
"My 9 year old lab died on October 10, 1997 after battling the side
effects of Rimadyl for 3 1/2 months. She was on the drug for only 15
days when she began vomiting violently. Those first 15 days made Rimadyl
look like a 'miracle drug.' My dog acted like a puppy again, and I was
very pleased. Over the summer, a family in Ohio also lost their lab
after taking Rimadyl. Both our Lab and the Ohio Lab experienced the same
side effects as those reported by Colleen Gerrior*: vomiting, anemia,
anorexia, elevated liver enzymes, loss of appetite, etc.
"I do want to add that many of us do NOT want the product taken
off the
market. It has done wonders for many dogs who were very lame. That's
great! We don't want to see dogs suffering from arthritis yet we also
don't want to see dogs suffer from side effects."
>From Name Withheld:
"When my 13-year-old dog was put on Rimadyl this past summer, he
began
vomiting after about 25 days. His kidneys and liver were both affected.
He was hospitalized for five days, put on IV, antibiotics, and
anti-nausea medication. The vet suggested we cosider euthanasia after a
certain point when he did not seem to be responding. After two weeks, he
began to improve. During his illness and recovery, I asked my vet
whether my dog could be experiencing a reaction to Rimadyl. The answer
was 'No." Despite this answer, I requested that the hospital stop
administering Rimadyl to my dog. I believe this is what saved him. I
dread to think that I almost had him euthanized --not knowing that his
problem was a toxic reaction to Rimadyl. I would never have forgiven
myself."
>From Vicki Zipf <sneaker@execpc.com>, January 8, 1998,:
"My Labrador experienced liver toxicity, anorexia, etc., last summer
just 13 days after starting treatment with Rimadyl for her degenerative
arthritis. Luckily, with a wonderful and cautious vet (and many lab
tests later) we stopped the medication and now have a happy and healthy
dog. I applaud you for the generous amount of space given to this very
serious but relatively unknown issue. Dr. Bonnie Anthony's count '(fewer
than 30...)' is like any statistic; only as good as the data supplied. I
believe there many other pets who have experienced problems but , like
me, their owners have left it unreported simply because they did not
know where, or how to report the problem. I would like to stand up and
be counted (or should I say, my dog would)! Please help....to whom and
how should my Lab's problem be reported?" (Senior Dogs Project
Coordinator's Note: We are in the process of contacting Pfizer for a
response to this question. In the meanwhile, see BIGBLUE's e-mail
below.)
>From <BIGBLUE44@aol.com>:
Subject: Re: HELP!!!! My dog is suddenly lame! HELP!!!!!
From: luswinton@aol.com (LuSwinton)
Date: Tue, Feb 3, 1998 12:27 AM
Message-id: <19980203002701.TAA13378@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Please immediately go to the Senior Dog Website - It is very possible
that you
dog is having a sever and toxic reaction to Rimadyl. Why was she put on
such a
high dosage - 41 lb. dog and 50 mg rimadyl 2x/day.
Immediately call Pfizer drug and report this - their toll free number
is
1-800-366-5288 - Dr. Michael Van Schoyck, is the Managing Technical Services
Veterinarian, Companion Animal Division, and if you get him and not another
vet - tell him that Jean Townsend of Johns Island, SC (the owner of a
beautiful
chocolate lab named GEORGE who died Oct. 13, 1997 after having been on the
drug
Rimadyl for less than 30 days) told you to contact him.
Do not wait. Take her off the Rimadyl IMMEDIATELY!!!!!
I pray that she will be all right.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:31:20 EDT
From: V Tallman <VTallman@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Info Needed
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Hi,
Sophie, our Australian Shepard, was diagnosed in March and has been on Anipryl
for two months. She ius a rescue case and her age is estimated as 5-7 years
old. Some of her symptoms are improving (activity, weight, circumference),
some were never present (hair loss, large appetite), and some are unchanged
(panting, drinking a lot). Although her weight and size are decreasing,
Sophie still tips the scales at 55 lbs -which I think is about 10 lbs too
much. We just increased the Anipryl dosage to 45mg and will re-evaluate
after
one more month.
I need some help from this group. I do not know what to expect in terms
of
improvement in the symptoms. I also do not know if the results would be
better if treatment was conducted with Lysodren instead of Anipryl. I note
from reading the past 2-3 months of postings, that some have used both
treatments. I would be particularly interested in hearing about the reduction
of the physical symptoms - bloating and return to "normal" dog
body
proportions - if that ever does occur.
Thanks for all of your help.
Vern & Sophie
http://members.aol.com/vtallman/sophie.htm
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 06:57:04 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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Two of the best shampoos to use with Cushing's dogs are a Benzoyl Peroxide
one (Oxydex or the equivalent) or an anti-fungal one (Miconazole or the
equivalent) depending on what is causing the dog's skin to be flakey. My
poodle responded to the anti-fungal shampoo immediately. She had been on
several fatty acid supplements. Oatmeal shampoos are to soothe itchy skin
but do not treat the actual problem and they do not remove dandruff.
Janice & Annie
----------
> From: RitaSwim <RitaSwim@aol.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Cc: RitaSwim@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 9:14 AM
>
> You might try an oatmeal-based shampoo (& conditioner, believe
it or
not!).
> My dry-skinned dachsie (diagnosed w/Cushings in March) has even more
skin
> problems now and our vet recommended this - it calms her down lots
when
she
> gets the "itchies". It may help, but I believe personally
that good
health
> and diet make the coats good or bad. When our babies get older, much
less
> sick, that changes the playing field a bit, doesn't it? I'm sure you'll
get
> lots of recommendations for skin problem help - good luck!
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:21:49 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: "SUNNY"
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980521192149.00baaab4@email.uah.edu>
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Hello everyone, I hope that a vet is reading this today, Randy and I
are
just beside ourselves, we just do not know what to do anymore. We took Sunny
in for her stim test early because the Vet at Aurburn said that if she
continued to consume water in the 25-35oz stage we should go ahead and get
the stim test done early as well as Glucose, Urine Analysis and Urine
Culture, to see if she is diabetic or not, well her blood glucose came back
as 83 normal is what they tell us, her stim test is higher than last month,
she continues to drink water, her weight went up to 19.4 (she was just under
19) she eats like she has never eaten before, she is on 500 mg Lysodren
M/W/F, we just do not know what to do anymore, this is now been going on
for
two years, we just cannot get her stable, I know they say that some dogs
are
not drug tollerant, and she is one of them, but surely we would see
something by now. We are taking all of her notes and going to another vet
tomorrow to see if they can help, it is not that I do not like my vet at
the
moment, but they seem to want to wait for what her specialist tells them
to
do at Auburn, and this other vet seems to know something more about
Cushings, Is there anyone out there that can help us, We are sorry to have
gone on so long, but she is our life and we are lost now as to where and
what to do next. Jackie, Randy, SUNNY, Saphir (cat Sister) and of course
her
beloved Sister Sadie in Rainbow Heaven.
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:43:15 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: "SUNNY"
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Jackie Siniard wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, I hope that a vet is reading this today, Randy and
I are
> just beside ourselves, we just do not know what to do anymore. We took
Sunny
> in for her stim test early because the Vet at Aurburn said that if
she
> continued to consume water in the 25-35oz stage we should go ahead
and get
> the stim test done early as well as Glucose, Urine Analysis and Urine
> Culture, to see if she is diabetic or not, well her blood glucose came
back
> as 83 normal is what they tell us, her stim test is higher than last
month,
> she continues to drink water, her weight went up to 19.4 (she was just
under
> 19) she eats like she has never eaten before, she is on 500 mg Lysodren
> M/W/F, we just do not know what to do anymore, this is now been going
on for
> two years, we just cannot get her stable, I know they say that some
dogs are
> not drug tollerant, and she is one of them, but surely we would see
> something by now. We are taking all of her notes and going to another
vet
> tomorrow to see if they can help, it is not that I do not like my vet
at the
> moment, but they seem to want to wait for what her specialist tells
them to
> do at Auburn, and this other vet seems to know something more about
> Cushings, Is there anyone out there that can help us, We are sorry
to have
> gone on so long, but she is our life and we are lost now as to where
and
> what to do next. Jackie, Randy, SUNNY, Saphir (cat Sister) and of course
her
> beloved Sister Sadie in Rainbow Heaven.
>
> Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
> worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
>
> Jacqueline P. Siniard
> Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
> Materials Science Building Room C206
> Huntsville, Alabama 35899
> ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
> e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Jackie,
I don't really have anything to offer, except to say that my heart goes
out to you at a time like this. I know how frustrated and anxious it is
and how totally helpless you feel. Wish I could do or say something
that would help, but I can't. My prayers to all of you.
Patti & Cybil
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:04:28 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Abatement of Symptoms (was Info Needed)
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980521080428.00b353c0@pop.sirius.com>
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I'd like to know what others have experienced, as well. Maybe if we all
briefly note results, we'll have an understanding of the range. Thus:
Amaryllis, 14 y.o terrier mix; on Lysodren for 2 mos: lost weight,
decreased appetite, improved musculature, no change in water consumption
or
urination
At 01:31 AM 5/21/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Sophie, our Australian Shepard, was diagnosed in March and has been
on
Anipryl
>for two months. She ius a rescue case and her age is estimated as 5-7
years
>old. Some of her symptoms are improving (activity, weight, circumference),
>some were never present (hair loss, large appetite), and some are unchanged
>(panting, drinking a lot). Although her weight and size are decreasing,
>Sophie still tips the scales at 55 lbs -which I think is about 10 lbs
too
>much. We just increased the Anipryl dosage to 45mg and will re-evaluate
after
>one more month.
>
>I need some help from this group. I do not know what to expect in terms
of
>improvement in the symptoms. I also do not know if the results would
be
>better if treatment was conducted with Lysodren instead of Anipryl.
I note
>from reading the past 2-3 months of postings, that some have used both
>treatments. I would be particularly interested in hearing about the
reduction
>of the physical symptoms - bloating and return to "normal"
dog body
>proportions - if that ever does occur.
>
>Thanks for all of your help.
>
>Vern & Sophie
>http://members.aol.com/vtallman/sophie.htm
>
>
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas
"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham
Van Helsing,
M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:15:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Quotes from pet newsgroup regarding Rimadyl
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Sweetie took a month's supply of Rimadyl but it didn't seem to help;
this
was before her Cushing's diagnosis. I just wonder if such an amount could
have developed her "patchy liver"? Thank you very much for posting
this! I
know several people whose dogs are taking Rimadyl and I have passed on the
information.
As usual another question or two. Would radiation treatment "work"
against
pituitary tumors? Has it been tried? I am obviously ignorant on how
radiation works, but I keep pondering this.
Also, if livers rejuvenate themselves, how can we "encourage"
this process
in our dogs with liver damage? Is it possible to "rebuild" a bad
liver?
One last query. Can taking 10-12 vitamins daily further damage Sweetie's
bad liver? Are there certain vitamins/herbs which could be destructive to
the liver and which we should not be giving our dogs?
Thanks,
Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, 8 yrs., on Anipryl for several
mos now
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:08:15 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: distilled water
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Shortly after Cybil was diagnosed with Cushings, I started giving her
distilled water only instead of our regular tap water. We are on a well
and the water is very, very alkaline, and I thought that might somehow
have to do with the Cushings. I did not see a dramatic change, although
she did gradually have fewer and fewer accidents in the house. Now she
can go all day if she has to without an accident. It's hard for me to
tell exactly how much water she drinks because we have two other dogs.
After several months of hastling with buying gallon after gallon of
distilled water at the grocery store, I stopped and started giving just
regular well water again.\, thinking that the accidents had stopped
because she was better, not because of the water. At this time, she was
not on any medication for the Cushings, except vitamins and diet. There
was an immediate change, not so much in the amount consumed, but in her
frequency of urination. She started having accidents in the house again
and having to go out all the time. We went back to distilled water and
the accidents stopped and so did going out all the time.
I am wondering if anybody else has been weird enough to try distilled
water, and, if so, if your baby experienced the same thing. I really
can't explain it because we bought some PH test strips and tested both
the distilled and well water and the distilled was only slightly less
alkaline, not enought to make a difference, I don't think.
I know that with all of the expense of medicine and vet bills that
buying distilled water is something none of us needs. Oh, by the way,
one time I bought purified water that had been filtered but not
distilled, thinking if it worked, we would buy a filtration system for
our house. It didn't work. She went back to having accidents just like
being on our well water.
Sorry to ramble on like this. If any of you decide to try distilled
water, I would really like to hear how it affects your fur baby. Good
luck and God Bless.
Cybil and Patti
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:46:46 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Distilled Water
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Patty & Cybil.....
Funny you should mention about changing water!! I had wondered if that
would help Schonus' water intake but boy oh boy, was I wrong!! We also
were giving Schonus well/reservoir water and I found a local water
company that delivered spring water...so I figured...why not try it!!
If I fill the water bowl, Schonus will stand there and drink the bowl
empty!! Instead of a couple of laps...the whole bowl is emptied!!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:53:43 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: "Sunny"
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Jackie...
Have been sitting here waiting to hear how Sunny has been doing. I
can't think of anything more frustrating to go thru! My heart is with
you and your family.
What were the results of Sunny's stim test? Were they still high?
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 05:48:17
From: VERNON TALLMAN <vtallman@usa.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Info Needed, Please
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Hi,
Sophie, our Australian Shepard, was diagnosed in March and has been on Anipryl
for two months. She ius a rescue case and her age is estimated as 5-7 years
old. Some of her symptoms are improving (activity, weight, circumference),
some were never present (hair loss, large appetite), and some are unchanged
(panting, drinking a lot). Although her weight and size are decreasing,
Sophie still tips the scales at 55 lbs -which I think is about 10 lbs too
much. We just increased the Anipryl dosage to 45mg and will re-evaluate
after one more month.
I need some help from this group. I do not know what to expect in terms of improvement in the symptoms. I also do not know if the results would be better if treatment was conducted with Lysodren instead of Anipryl. I note from reading the past 2-3 months of postings, that some have used both treatments. I would be particularly interested in hearing about the reduction of the physical symptoms - bloating and return to "normal" dog body proportions - if that ever does occur.
Thanks for all of your help.
Vern & Sophie
http://members.aol.com/vtallman/sophie.htm
____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:09:43 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: "SUNNY"
Message-ID: <048e43320061658UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com>
Jackie,
We can only sympathise with you in your torment.
As you may know, Ted undertook a course of treatment that was considered
'radical' by some - the chemical neutralisation of his adrenal glands to
discontinue the secretion of steroids. Steroid compounds are then given
by
the mouth on a daily basis for life. In effect it changes a dog from a Cushy
to an Addy. Rob MASON was the veterinary specialist who oversaw the
treatment and I recommend that you contact him at 76255.1470@compuserve.com.
He laid everything out for us and I have the outmost confidence in him.
Ted is well over the loading period and is now settled into
his
maintenance dose of Prednisone and Florinel. He has lost weight, recovered
his energy and is the dog of old. We are so gratefull to Rob and the local
vet who consults with him. So little seems to be known of the practical
treatment of Cushings that I feel our loved ones are sometimes experiments
for those with little experience. Give Rob a call !!
Our very best wishes to you and Sunny.
Dave and Eileen ROBERTS
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 12:28 PM
Subject: "SUNNY"
>Hello everyone, I hope that a vet is reading this today, Randy and
I are
>just beside ourselves, we just do not know what to do anymore. We took
Sunny
>in for her stim test early because the Vet at Aurburn said that if she
>continued to consume water in the 25-35oz stage we should go ahead and
get
>the stim test done early as well as Glucose, Urine Analysis and Urine
>Culture, to see if she is diabetic or not, well her blood glucose came
back
>as 83 normal is what they tell us, her stim test is higher than last
month,
>she continues to drink water, her weight went up to 19.4 (she was just
under
>19) she eats like she has never eaten before, she is on 500 mg Lysodren
>M/W/F, we just do not know what to do anymore, this is now been going
on
for
>two years, we just cannot get her stable, I know they say that some
dogs
are
>not drug tollerant, and she is one of them, but surely we would see
>something by now. We are taking all of her notes and going to another
vet
>tomorrow to see if they can help, it is not that I do not like my vet
at
the
>moment, but they seem to want to wait for what her specialist tells
them to
>do at Auburn, and this other vet seems to know something more about
>Cushings, Is there anyone out there that can help us, We are sorry to
have
>gone on so long, but she is our life and we are lost now as to where
and
>what to do next. Jackie, Randy, SUNNY, Saphir (cat Sister) and of course
her
>beloved Sister Sadie in Rainbow Heaven.
>
>Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
>worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
>
>Jacqueline P. Siniard
>Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
>The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>Materials Science Building Room C206
>Huntsville, Alabama 35899
>ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
>e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>
>
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:43:17 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sunny
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Jackie and Randy,
So sorry to hear about Sunny's troubles. We know how heart wrenching
this
can be. But, hang in there. Hopefully, the new vet you're going to will
be
able to shed some new light. We're keeping our fingers and paws crossed
for
you.
(In one of your recent notes you mentioned that it was a little difficult
to get a urine sample from Sunny because she squats so close to the ground.
Clea is a small one, too, and with her long hair it was impossible to get
a
"free catch." We now use the lid of a plastic butter dish. It's
thin enough
that it slides between her hindlegs easily. Sometimes, she actually sits
on it
like a "potty." It works perfectly fo us. Since we check her
urine monthly,
it cuts down on the number of stressful visits she needs to take to the
vet.)
Hugs and blessings to Sunny. Please keep us posted.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:48:55 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: "Sunny"
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Hello Linda and Schonus, thanks for the support, yes her stim test was
up
this time, we did the test early due to water consumption as I mentioned,
this is why we are going to another vet for a second opinion. Where does
this end?
At 06:53 PM 5/21/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Jackie...
>
>Have been sitting here waiting to hear how Sunny has been doing. I
>can't think of anything more frustrating to go thru! My heart is with
>you and your family.
>
>What were the results of Sunny's stim test? Were they still high?
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 03:15:06 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: was "SUNNY", now Ted
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David,
Why did you and your vet choose the chemical neutralization of Ted's
adrenal glands over Lsodren, Anipryl, etc? Was there something about his
Cushing's symptoms that led to this decision (e.g. more severe
symptoms)?
Just curious, as I'd read in several books that Addison's is more
difficult to control than Cushing's.
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:31:19 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Info Needed, Please
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>From my limited experience and reading this list, the answer seems
to be...
there's no answer! Lots of people (it seems to me) report reduction in
symptoms within a couple of weeks. I know the "official" word
from Pfizer,
maker of Anipryl, is that it takes up to two months to see improvment.
But the only way to know for sure seems to be by doing the ACTH stim
test.
My dog has been on Lysodren for 2 months, and after a month, I saw no
improvement. Her stim test was normal though! We kept on the Lysodren, and
I have seen improvment in skin, coat, appetite and muscle. But she still
drinks and pees constantly. (Vet says this is caused by a corollary problem
now).
The thing is, this is a degenerative disease, and even when the cause
is
relieved, it can take Quite! a while for improvement.
>From my reading of the list, no one, not even vetinary specialists,
can
tell whether results would be better with Anipryl or Lysodren. It varies
so
much from dog to dog. You didn't say whether she had another ACTH stim
test. They're expensive and unpleasant for the dog, but they do let you
know what's going on in there.
It's frustrating, cause what I really want is for the symptoms to improve.
I look for little improvements every day, never sure if I'm deluding
myself. Hang in there!
At 05:48 AM 5/22/98, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Sophie, our Australian Shepard, was diagnosed in March and has been
on
Anipryl for two months. She ius a rescue case and her age is estimated
as
5-7 years old. Some of her symptoms are improving (activity, weight,
circumference), some were never present (hair loss, large appetite), and
some are unchanged (panting, drinking a lot). Although her weight and size
are decreasing, Sophie still tips the scales at 55 lbs -which I think is
about 10 lbs too much. We just increased the Anipryl dosage to 45mg and
will re-evaluate after one more month.
>
>I need some help from this group. I do not know what to expect in terms
of improvement in the symptoms. I also do not know if the results would
be
better if treatment was conducted with Lysodren instead of Anipryl. I note
from reading the past 2-3 months of postings, that some have used both
treatments. I would be particularly interested in hearing about the
reduction of the physical symptoms - bloating and return to "normal"
dog
body proportions - if that ever does occur.
>
>Thanks for all of your help.
>
>Vern & Sophie
>http://members.aol.com/vtallman/sophie.htm
>
>
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:11:32 EDT
From: CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
To: hautlynx@sirius.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Info Needed, Please
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In a message dated 5/22/98 12:36:50 PM, hautlynx@sirius.com wrote:
>I have seen improvment in skin, coat, appetite and muscle. But she
still
>drinks and pees constantly. (Vet says this is caused by a corollary
problem
>now).
Just wondering how the glucose tests have been running and if you've
ruled out
diabetes. The PU and PD could be related to diabetes, and insulin could
help.
I don't know the whole story here, I just happened to read this post and
the
PU and PD caught my eye. So, if I am asking a question that has already
been
dealt with, I apologize for being repetitive.
Anne and Targa ( with diabetes and Cushing's)
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:16:29 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Info Needed, Please
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Not sure what PU and PD are. My vet did blood and urine tests so I assume
diabetes has been ruled out. I'll give a call to make sure.
At 02:11 PM 5/22/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Just wondering how the glucose tests have been running and if you've
ruled
out
>diabetes. The PU and PD could be related to diabetes, and insulin could
help.
>I don't know the whole story here, I just happened to read this post
and the
>PU and PD caught my eye. So, if I am asking a question that has already
been
>dealt with, I apologize for being repetitive.
>
>Anne and Targa ( with diabetes and Cushing's)
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:29:18 EDT
From: CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
To: hautlynx@sirius.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Info Needed, Please
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Sorry, Just a quick way of writing "drinking too much"- polydipsia
(PD), and
"urinating too much"-polyuria (PU). I've gotten into the habit
on the diabetes
list.
Anne and Targa
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:29:02 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Abatement of Symptoms (was Info Needed)
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Here my two cents:
Rosie (12 yr old Lab.) Diag 3/98; on Annipryl for 30 days - Saw an improvement
in her coat (quit shedding), water consumption, panting, weight loss included
13lbs in two weeks (Yipes!), and hunger were controlled. Had to put on
insulin after two weeks to treat Diabetes. Saw an improvement in hind leg
weakness, appetitie returned and bladder control after starting insulin.
After 30 days changed to Lysodren load in dose 1000 mg per day for 10
days.
Then went on a maintenance dose of 250 mg twice a week and now are at 375mg
twice a week. Blood glucose has been difficult to regulate and Rosie is
not
feeling well. Pretty lethargic.
Since the beginning of March, Rosie has been on Rimadyl, but today is
her last
day. There is too much discussion about problems with this drug to risk
her
life.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:34:44 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: distilled water
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Cybil and Patti:
I have often wondered about our water supply. I am originally from Oklahoma
and the water is pretty hard up there (now in Texas) but I always was able
to
drink it. The town I am in right now has the nastiest tasting water I have
ever seen. I won't drink it but never thought Rosie's tastes would be so
discriminating.
You know what some often say "It must be in the water". I
wonder if it really
is?!?
Two years ago, Rosie had to undergo Heartworm treatment. I have really
wondered if that contributed to her Cushing's disease. Just another thought.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:37:14 -0400
From: "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Sunny
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Jackie & Randy, I have a 6lb Maltese, & we use the plastic can
dog food
lid. Science Diet must have known ,Has a lip, to hold on to & everything.
People do tend to stare , but she dont care .Ha Ha! Good luck.
Pat & Sammy
----------
> From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Sunny
> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 7:43 AM
>
> Jackie and Randy,
>
> So sorry to hear about Sunny's troubles. We know how heart
wrenching this
> can be. But, hang in there. Hopefully, the new vet you're going to
will
be
> able to shed some new light. We're keeping our fingers and paws crossed
for
> you.
>
>
> (In one of your recent notes you mentioned that it was a little
difficult
> to get a urine sample from Sunny because she squats so close to the
ground.
> Clea is a small one, too, and with her long hair it was impossible
to get
a
> "free catch." We now use the lid of a plastic butter dish.
It's thin
enough
> that it slides between her hindlegs easily. Sometimes, she actually
sits
on it
> like a "potty." It works perfectly fo us. Since we check
her urine
monthly,
> it cuts down on the number of stressful visits she needs to take to
the
vet.)
>
> Hugs and blessings to Sunny. Please keep us posted.
> Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 02:07:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: ACTH Stim test
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Hi, What exactly is the ACTH Stim test I'm hearing about and how is it run?
Jan Glover, Seattle
Dudley, my cushings dog
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 08:16:44 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: ACTH Stim test
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AN ACTH test is run for the diagnosis of Addison's(hypoadrenocrtism)
or
confirming the treatment progress for Cushings. ACTH= adrenocorticoptropic
hormone, which basically in normal patients "tells" the adrenal
glands to
produce more cortisol.
Blood is taken prior to the adminsitration of ACTH and then 2 hours later.
Cortisol levels are determined in both samples. Minimal response often
leads
to the DX of the former disease or conformation of the treatment response
for
Cushings,
Hope this helps,
M. Brownstein DVM
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 17:21:21 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
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L Boyce wrote:
>
> Patty & Cybil.....
>
> Funny you should mention about changing water!! I had wondered if
that
> would help Schonus' water intake but boy oh boy, was I wrong!! We
also
> were giving Schonus well/reservoir water and I found a local water
> company that delivered spring water...so I figured...why not try it!!
> If I fill the water bowl, Schonus will stand there and drink the bowl
> empty!! Instead of a couple of laps...the whole bowl is emptied!!
>
> Linda & Schonus
Linda & Schonus,
You might try distilled water. I don't think it is the same as spring
water. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here on the water, but Cybil seems to
be able to tell the difference. Anyway, if you decide to try distilled,
let me know what Schonus thinks.
Cybil & Patti
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 20:55:12 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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Doesn't Benzoyl Peroxide shampoo have a drying effect on the skin? My
vet said
not to use it on Boomer because his skin is already dry and it would make
it
worse. I haven't heard of the anti-fungal shampoo until recently. I'll
have
to check into it. I've used the oatmeal shampoo before and also believe
that
it provides relief from the itchy skin, but won't cure the dryness.
-- Liza and Boomer
Janice Glosson wrote:
> Two of the best shampoos to use with Cushing's dogs are a Benzoyl
Peroxide
> one (Oxydex or the equivalent) or an anti-fungal one (Miconazole or
the
> equivalent) depending on what is causing the dog's skin to be flakey.
My
> poodle responded to the anti-fungal shampoo immediately. She had been
on
> several fatty acid supplements. Oatmeal shampoos are to soothe itchy
skin
> but do not treat the actual problem and they do not remove dandruff.
>
> Janice & Annie
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 21:01:16 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: distilled water
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I have bottled spring water delivered to the house for me and give it
to my
furbabies also. I don't think they care if they get tap or bottled water,
they drink them both the same. I have never tried them on distilled water.
-- Liza and Boomer
floyd@zianet.com wrote:
> I am wondering if anybody else has been weird enough to try distilled
> water, and, if so, if your baby experienced the same thing. I really
> can't explain it because we bought some PH test strips and tested both
the
> distilled and well water and the distilled was only slightly less
> alkaline, not enought to make a difference, I don't think.
> Cybil and Patti
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:05:27 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: soothing shampoo
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My vet recommended Sebolux shampoo for my girls. It was not for fungus
but for dry skin. It is listed as a keratolytic antiseptic.
It does a wonderful job and leaves them with a beautiful sheen.
Jesse is much improved. I don't know if it is my imagination but I do
believe she is physically different. We go back next week for the third
stim test. She is certainly more active and the water consumption is
down.
Tom
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:00:39 -0400
From: Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: more rimadyl
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I had a horrible experience on Friday that I thought that those of you
considering Rimadyl should know about. Cleo is my 14 y.o. black lab
with arthritis. As I mentioned previously, my vet and I had decided to
use Rimadyl briefly while the Cosequin was starting to take effect. I
gave Cleo her last dose Thurs. morning. Friday morning I found a very
sick baby. There was stool and urine across the floor and in her bed,
where she lay, showing no inclination to move. I finally coaxed her
into the next room, and she lay down again and didn't get up.
Because she didn't seem to be in pain, just weak, it didn't occur to
me
immediately that this was related to taking her off the Rimadyl. My
first thoughts were that the tumor in her spleen was bleeding out, or
that she had had a negative reaction to the Rimadyl. When I took her to
the vet she was too weak to walk, so I carried her in. She stayed for
the day...he did a blood panel and abdominal tap. No blood in her
abdomen (thank heavens!), and the blood panel showed a bit of anemia and
a slight elevation in one of the kidney levels. I brought her home with
a reduced protein diet, and hoped for the best.
Sat morning she was obviously in severe pain. I had to help with her
hips when she stood up and lay down, and there was a pronounced limp.
As it was too early to call the vet, I made a judgement call and gave
her a dose of Rimadyl. Later my vet agreed that putting her back on it
was OK under the circumstances. By afternoon she was moving better, and
today she's handling stairs, and moving almost normally . I really
thought I might lose her for awhile there, and seeing her tail wag again
is a wonderful sight!
So what's the lesson here? I guess it's to avoid suddenly discontinuing
the drug. She was much worse after stopping the Rimadyl than when we
started it. I can't say for certain that the whole episode was caused
by the return of her pain, but looking back I believe that it was. I
plan to keep her on it for two or three more weeks (keeping an eye on
kiney function), then gradually reduce the dose to see if the Cosequin
is enough. If not, I'll determine the minimum dose needed to keep her
comfortable.
I gave such a thorough (and long...sorry!) account of this because I
was
hoping one of the vets reading this might shed some light on what
occured here. Is there a rebound effect from suddenly discontinuing an
anti-inflamatory like Rimadyl? Is there an alternative anti-inflamatory
with fewer risks besides aspirin? Thanks
Valerie
Honey, Cleo the miracle dog (still with me!) and Bandit
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:09:03 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: soothing shampoo
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Tom,
I'm glad to hear that Jesse is doing better! It gives me hope that
Boomer, too, will improve.
-- Liza and Boomer
Thomas D Johnston wrote:
> My vet recommended Sebolux shampoo for my girls. It was not for
fungus
> but for dry skin. It is listed as a keratolytic antiseptic.
> It does a wonderful job and leaves them with a beautiful sheen.
>
> Jesse is much improved. I don't know if it is my imagination but I
do
> believe she is physically different. We go back next week for the
third
> stim test. She is certainly more active and the water consumption
is
> down.
>
> Tom
>
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:50:46 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: more rimadyl
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I sometimes wonder if dogs that are given Rimadyl (even without underlying
problems like Cushings) feel so well they "overdo it " a bit and
what you may
have seen is just one sore hurting dog...Just a real wild guess here...
M. Brownstein DVM