Cushing's Disease/Syndrome | Electronic Forum Digest 36

CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 36

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Thyroid
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
2) Newcomer?
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
3) Re: more rimadyl
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
4) Re: more rimadyl
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
5) Re: more rimadyl
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
6) Re: Thyroid
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
7) Thyroid
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
8) I'm back...and interest from Dog Fancy Magazine
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
9) I'm Back
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
10) ACTH Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
11) Re: I'm Back
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
12) re: cough
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
13) Re: I'm back...and interest from Dog Fancy Magazine
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
14) Re: I'm back...and interest from Dog Fancy Magazine
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
15) searching
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
16) Re: more rimadyl
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
17) Re: more rimadyl
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
18) Re:Neuropathy vs. Muscle Weakness
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
19) Re: ACTH Test
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
20) Hi, I'm back too
by MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
21) Re: I'm Back
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
22) Re: cough
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
23) Re: searching
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
24) Re: ACTH Stim test
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
25) Re: Neuropathy vs. Muscle Weakness
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
26) Digest
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
27) Re: Digest
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
28) Introduction
by Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
29) intact females cushings or diabetic
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
30) SUNNY update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
31) Re: more rimadyl
by Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
32) Re-introduction
by "Kathleen J. Spradlin-Miller" <kmiller@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>
33) Recall: Introduction
by Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
34) RE: more rimadyl
by Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
35) "Sunny" Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
36) Re: more rimadyl
by Cybervet5@aol.com
37) Schonus Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
38) Re: searching
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
39) Re: ACTH Stim test
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
40) Re: SUNNY update
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
41) Re: Schonus Update
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
42) Re: ACTH Stim
by DFRS2@aol.com
43) Re: Introduction
by DFRS2@aol.com
44) Re: intact females cushings or diabetic
by DFRS2@aol.com
45) Re: intact females cushings or diabetic
by DFRS2@aol.com
46) Re: SUNNY update
by DFRS2@aol.com
47) Re: more rimadyl
by DFRS2@aol.com
48) Re: Skin Shampoo
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
49) Re: Schonus Update
by DFRS2@aol.com
50) Re: ACTH Stim test
by DFRS2@aol.com
51) ACTH Stim Test
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
52) Re: Skin Shampoo
by CBABTPC@aol.com
53) Re: "Sunny" Update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
54) I'm back . . . and interest from Dog Fancy Magazine
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
55) Re: Skin Shampoo
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
56) Re: "Sunny" Update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
57) Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
58) Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
59) Re: ACTH Stim Test
by DFRS2@aol.com
60) Re: Skin Shampoo
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
61) Side effects of Anipryl
by "Barbara Berube" <BERUBE@PATHOLOGY.Lan.McGill.CA>
62) Back on-line
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
63) Re: Side effects of Anipryl
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
64) Hi, I,m back too
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
65) Anipryl Side Effects
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
66) Re: Side effects of Anipryl
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
67) intact female pets
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
68) Re: intact female pets
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
69) Re: Skin Shampoo
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
70) Re: Side effects of Anipryl
by CBABTPC@aol.com
71) Attention seeking??
by DLowder25@aol.com
72) Re: Back on-line
by DFRS2@aol.com
73) Re: Attention seeking??
by DFRS2@aol.com
74) Rosie Update - Texas Heat!
by DFRS2@aol.com
75) Re: Skin Shampoo
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
76) Re: Side effects of Anipryl
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
77) Re: Anipryl Side Effects
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
78) New to the list and needing some info.
by "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
79) Re: New to the list and needing some info.
by Danestuff@aol.com
80) Re: intact female pets
by LisaVann@aol.com
81) Re: New to the list and needing some info.
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
82) Re: Skin Shampoo
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
83) Re: New to the list and needing some info.
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
84) Re: Side effects of Anipryl
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
85) Re: Side effects of Anipryl
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
86) Re: intact female pets
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
87) Re: Brag About Annie
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
88) Re: Brag About Annie
by CBABTPC@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:18:51 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Thyroid
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Does anyone know if Cushing's has to be under control before the
hypothyroidism can be controlled? Schonus goes for his first thyroid
test after being on Soloxine for one month Tuesday.

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:21:14 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Newcomer?
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Dillon....

Are you and Carol "proud parents" yet???

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:51:29 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: more rimadyl
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I have to agree with the doc on this one......I think that sometimes we don't
realize just how much chronic pain our pets are in until we "take it away".
My own dog ( who has had bilateral acl repairs) was getting a bit stiff and
I put him on glycoflex and rimadyl. The immediate difference was amazing. I
had attributed much of his slowing down to just old age, when actually he was
having enough pain ( although not indicating it) that he had to sort of become
a "little old man". Now he is 80% better I'd say.

Just a side note : Rimadyl is labeled to be given twice daily, but I have had
pretty good luck with going twice daily for a bout a week and then going to
once a day. It seems to work well for some and others still need the twice a
day. It sure is easier on the pocketbook for clients with large dogs to be
able to use once a day!

Lisa VanNostrand, DVM

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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:14:01 -0400
From: Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: more rimadyl
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Cybervet5 wrote:
>
> I sometimes wonder if dogs that are given Rimadyl (even without underlying
> problems like Cushings) feel so well they "overdo it " a bit and what you may
> have seen is just one sore hurting dog...Just a real wild guess here...
> M. Brownstein DVM

That's a very good point, but I don't think that's what happened here.
Because Cleo (who doesn't have Cushings) was in bad shape the previous
week when she started taking the Rimadyl, I was very cautious about
increasing her activities. And because my other pup is having problems,
neither one of them has been taken on a walk in the last week...just
five to ten minutes in the yard, then back in. You do have me wondering
if the Rimadyl may be masking an injury though. The weakness in her
legs has been slowly increasing for years (I thought it was a
neurological problem for quite a while), but the disabling pain came on
quite suddenly. Maybe I should ask my vet if a set of x-rays are in
order...

The difference the Rimadyl is making is amazing though. What a shame
that such a wonderful pain reliever comes with such high risks.

Valerie
Cleo, Honey and Bandit

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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:22:46 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: more rimadyl
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In a message dated 98-05-25 13:54:10 EDT, LisaVann@aol.com writes:

<< Just a side note : Rimadyl is labeled to be given twice daily, but I have
had
pretty good luck with going twice daily for a bout a week and then going to
once a day >>
Me too on this one..I like to reduce the dosage in most of the dogs I dispense
it to for pain.

M. Brownstein DVM

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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:26:44 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Thyroid
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Linda,
It is my understanding that Cushings can cause hypothyroidism, and
once the Cushings is controlled, the hypothyroidism may go away.
Boomer was initially diagnosed with hypothyroidism. When the Soloxine
did not seem to help we did further tests and found he has Cushings. He
is still on Soloxine, but my vet has indicated that once we get his
Lysodren dosage regulated, we will take him off the Soloxine and see if
his thyroid levels remain good.

-- Liza and Boomer

L Boyce wrote:

> Does anyone know if Cushing's has to be under control before the
> hypothyroidism can be controlled? Schonus goes for his first thyroid
> test after being on Soloxine for one month Tuesday.
>
> Linda & Schonus

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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:29:41 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Thyroid
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When Schonus was being "worked up" for Cushing's, his thyroid was also
checked and the results were normal. He has been on maintenace of
Lysodren now for approximately four months and just last month I asked
my Vet if we should check the thyroid again because Schonus still had no
hair regrowth.

He did a free T4 which came back low .02. I'm just wondering why I'm
getting his thyroid checked again as there has been no change in his
Cushing's or hair regrowth, etc. I don't understand why I'm giving the
Soloxine if "Cushing's" rules?? I guess I'll find out tomorrow as
Schonus gets his 3 month ACTH test and one month thyroid test.

Thanx for the info...

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:54:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: I'm back...and interest from Dog Fancy Magazine
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Hi folks-

I'm back from vacation, but only slowly digging out from the
responsibilities that piled up during my absence.

Virginia Beach and visiting with my sister, niece, and nephew was
delightful as always, and visiting the Bahamas with seven other wild women
was an experience to remember. The ocean was beautiful, the snorkelling
incredible (I brought back a huge sea biscuit and several lovely conchs),
and the tropical drinks--hand-delivered by young, adorable island
men--flowed like water.

Thank you all for being so kind, generous, and patient with our guest
host, the lovely and talented Scot. He was touched by your enthusiasm!

I've missed each and every one of you! If any of your pups' conditions
have changed over the past week, would you please send me a note? The
mother hen in me likes to keep tabs....

While I was away, we were approached by Dr. Susan Bertram, a veterinarian
from Oregon who, in addition to her clinical practice, does freelance
writing. Dog Fancy Magazine pointed her to our web site and has asked her
to write an article about Cushing's. She is very interested in
interviewing some of you subscribers, particularly those of you who are
treating your pups with Anipryl. I suspect she may also be interested in
pulling information from your messages in the archives for the article.
If you would like to be interviewed, please contact Susan directly at
<sbertram@coinet.com>. If you do not wish for her to use information from
your archive posts (even anonymously), please let me know. She seems very
respectful of our privacy, and I'm certain she would not go against
anyone's wishes.

In exchange for our cooperation, I have asked for permission to post the
resulting article to our web page.

Thanks in advance to any of you who have the time and inclination to
participate. I hope that the article will provide a great public service
to readers of Dog Fancy and will probably expand our forum's membership.

Love to all of you,

Leslie

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:29:52 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: I'm Back
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Leslie.....

You were gone????? *LOL*

You should be proud of hubby.....he did a GREAT job!!

Welcome Back!

Linda

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:35:43 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: ACTH Test
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I was wondering if anyone else has this experience:

EVERY time Schonus gets his ACTH test...his water intake that day sky
rockets!!! He had it done today and it's only mid day and he's already
at 2 gallons!! I'm still fighting with the colitis and all this water
intake isn't helping it at ALL!

Schonus got the ACTH test done today and now tonite I noticed two big
red *splotches* on his belly. The spots are not raised as when I rubbed
my finger over them ... they were smooth. Also doesn't appear to be
bothering him, i.e., itching. These spots were not there yesterday and
they don't look like insect bites....Anyone have any ideas???

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:52:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: I'm Back
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You're too kind. But, I've got to agree--isn't Scot great?! And y'all
don't know the half of it. When I arrived home, I was greeted with a
sparkling clean house and bouquets of flowers in the kitchen, dining room,
living room, and two in the bedroom. The next day I got the best
backrub.... The way he pampered me, you'd think I'd been off slaving
somewhere, rather than playing like a teenager in the Bahamas!

-Leslie

On Tue, 26 May 1998, L Boyce wrote:

> Leslie.....
>
> You were gone????? *LOL*
>
> You should be proud of hubby.....he did a GREAT job!!
>
> Welcome Back!
>
> Linda
>
>

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:31:42 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: "cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: re: cough
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Am fairly new to group, Pinetta diagnosed on May 15 and started on 10 mg
Anipryl on 5/23. She had her teeth cleaned and had a loose one pulled
on 5/22 (wanted to get ALL her yearly stuff out of the way before
starting with the Anipryl. She also takes .2 mg of Thyrosen a day,
though we've cut her down after the full blood work and going to do
another T4 after a month on the Anipryl.

Picked up her up and she was "coughing", does this on occasion in the
morning. Seems to do it when she gets excited. Wonder if this could be
a reaction of some sort to the dental cleaning and if anyone has
experienced it.........we've already been to the vet 3 times this month
and she's rather over it. The vet was concerned about the cough and
though it's gotten better, it's still there. Now even doing it when
"heavy panting" during our walks. Just wondered if anyone had
experienced this with dental cleaning. Guess it's back to the vet
again.

thanks,

susan and pinetta

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:37:51 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: I'm back...and interest from Dog Fancy Magazine
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Welcome back, Leslie!
Wow, we might be in Dog Fancy! That's great! I'll be watching for it!

-- Liza and Boomer

Leslie Lawson wrote:

> Hi folks-
>
> I'm back from vacation, but only slowly digging out from the
> responsibilities that piled up during my absence.....
>
>
> Leslie

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:37:07 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: I'm back...and interest from Dog Fancy Magazine
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I am so GLAD. I was wishing there could be an article somewhere, because I
think if I had known of Cushings two years ago my dog might be in much
better shape now!

At 09:37 PM 5/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Welcome back, Leslie!
>Wow, we might be in Dog Fancy! That's great! I'll be watching for it!
>
>-- Liza and Boomer
>
>Leslie Lawson wrote:
>
>> Hi folks-
>>
>> I'm back from vacation, but only slowly digging out from the
>> responsibilities that piled up during my absence.....
>>
>>
>> Leslie
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas

"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham Van Helsing,
M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:14:38 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Mollie Bear has been having quite a problem with a lame leg lately. I
initially blamed it on an accident with a door (she was a little eager to get
in and banged into the door). However, it's the wrong leg. Perhaps a sprain
from limping from the door injury? But now after seeing her return from her
weekly diabetes test (blood sugar is STILL too high but a little lower) she
was walking with this leg "pigeon-toed" Can having frequent blood draws
cause a "lameness" problem?
I'm going to lay off the blood draws for a week or two or longer to see what
happens. Just wondering if anyone has had this problem and what to do. The
Rimadyl (shudder) is helping. At least she's putting weight on the leg now
but she's still uncomfortable.
Thanks! (Welcome back Leslie!) Debbie & Mollie Bear

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:24:55 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: more rimadyl
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Valerie:

The side affects I have heard about from Rimadyl are liver related. Have you
heard differently? I have decided to keep Rosie, my lab, on Rimadyl for the
time being because she is not exhibiting any bad side affects at present and
it really helps her. Good luck with Cleo, it is a difficult call to make when
you see them in so much pain. Trust your own feelings, you know her best. My
vet said as long as she continues to eat we shouldn't worry.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:30:34 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: more rimadyl
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Lisa:

Thanks for the suggestion on once a day on the Rimadyl. I may try that after
I get a better handle on her diabetes. It has been up and down weekly.
Between insulin and Lysodren...I am ready for some regulation.

Judy (Constantly on her toes) and Rosie (I am so-o-o-o glad she is :-)

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:39:23 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Well, I just learned something new this week and wanted to share it with both
lists I am on for Cushing's and Diabetes.

I have been battling this hind leg weakness that Rosie has...trying to label
it and I finally thought I found the label by using "Neuropathy".

After having another one of those (Oh, God, it's Judy calling again)
discussions with my vet. I got it through my thick skull that neuropathy is a
neurological disorder when it affects walking.

In Rosie's case, it is clearly not neurological but muscle weakness which
appears to be caused from the Cushing's or Diabetes. I know the Cushing's can
cause this because of the system being flooded with costisone, but with that
disease pretty well under control, I am not sure how Diabetes can cause this
side affect. Does anyone have any information or ideas on this subject.

It's funny how I misinterpreted this term so easily.

Thanks, I would appreciate any responses.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:55:51 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: ACTH Test
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Linda:

When Rosie goes in for her ACTH stim tests, the problems I have had with her
relate to no morning insulin. It causes her to be really high for four to
five days afterwards. Haven't experienced the water problem, sorry.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:58:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hi, I'm back too
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Hi all. Back from a strange absence---guess I accidently got taken off
the list several weeks ago, because it's been forever since I got any
Cushings mail.
Apologies if anyone tried to contact me over the list and I never replied
:)

What's new? Well, I graduated (amazingly enough), and convocation is on
Friday. Maggie has been about the same, except now that the hot weather's
here I worry about her overheating---she pants so much. So she doesn't
get to go downtown with me as much as before, unless I know she can take a
quick dip in the river :) She hates being left at home and looks at me so
reproachfully when I leave without her...guilt guilt guilt.

She seems to mostly be fine except she squeals sometimes when chasing cats
(ie, running) in a seeming response to pain. Hopefully it is nothing more
than old age or arthritis (I have the latter too, so we could commiserate
:) ). And as usual she barks and barks at everyone. This could be bad
though; there has been a terrible rash of dog attacks (one fatal) in
southern Ontario in the last few weeks, and is likely to make people more
paranoid of dogs, even a small barking fat one. Maggie's pretty
benevolent-looking, however--not much of a threat. And she generally wags
her tail when she barks.

I hope everyone and their pups have been well these past few weeks.
Hugs and kisses!

Lia and Maggie

PS, there's a picture of Mags on the website.

==============================================================================
"The slogan `Vote for me and I'll lend you my pants', can often be
misconstrued" ---Jerry Boyle, This Hour Has 22 Minutes
Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
lmbrown@trentu.ca anlmb@blaze.trentu.ca "Gattai, Dinoking!"
==============================================================================
Palpatine's dead. Vote Wedge. Antilles/Celchu '00!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:09:11 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Glad you had a good time and great homecoming. Welcome back.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:30:00 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Susan and Pinetta:

Is Pinetta on a heartworm treatment. I am not trying to be alarming, I just
want to respond. My only experiences with dogs coughing has been heartworms,
kennel cough (distemper), heart disease. I would check it out with your vet.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Judy and Rosie.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:38:37 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: searching
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Debbie and Mollie Bear:

Rosie has been running high the last couple of weeks. Tried increasing her
insulin one unit at a time from 11 then 12 then 13 with no response.
Yesterday we jumped it up 2 units to 15 twice a day and finally this evening
we got a much lower reading on her urine test.

During this timeframe, Rosie has once again started having difficulities with
her hind legs. I believe I know what you mean by a little pigeon-toed. Her
gait is so deliberate to be careful but I had noticed this somewhat. What I
am watching for when she walks is to make sure her toes are not curling under.
I understand this could mean signs of neurological problems. But that is not
what I am seeing. I am hoping that she will rebound in a couple of days.

Boy, she has been so difficult to get regulated. Are others as up and down as
she has been? Next time she goes in for her ACTH stim test our vet said he
didn't want her to skip the insulin anymore. This throws her high for almost
5-7 days.

Thanks for asking the questions. Keep me posted.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:48:57 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: ACTH Stim test
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Hi Jan!

An ACTH Stim test as I understand it is when I take Rosie into the vet's in
the a.m. and they take a blood sample around 8:00 a.m. then inject her with an
enzyme or something that simulates the way the pituitary gland talks to the
adrenal gland which causes the adrenal gland to produce cortisone. After a
certain period of time, the vet takes another blood sample to see the reaction
created by the stimulation or enzyme.

It usually takes a day to get the results back. Ideally, prior to treatment
for Cushing's a dog should be between 1-5 pre-stimulation and 8-17 (I think)
post-stimulation. Rosie was at the top of the range pre and off the charts
post. That confirmed her original diagnosis for Cushing's.

Hope this helps. It is a little too much like Jane See Dog Run, but I am
trying to learn and get better. I have written something like this before,
but I think I deleted it already.

Take care.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 06:41:39 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Neuropathy vs. Muscle Weakness
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With my Cushinoid Sam, I assumed the muscle wasting that started before
Cushing's was diagnosed and stood out when the excess steroids were
suddenly stopped with Lysodren treatment would take a long time (?6-12
months) to go away. I'm hoping Sam's muscles will slowly build up again
with time, moderate exercise, and proper nutrition. Am I on the right
track with this idea or not?
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:06:43 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Digest
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Lesley,

I see someone is getting digests from the list - can you please let me know
how to get on the digest rather than receive a whole lot of mails each day.
I quite often don't download mail daily and am on other lists as a digest
subscriber. When I do get round to downloading mail there's quite a lot
which takes a bit of time I must admit.

Thanks in advance.
Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:49:12 -0500
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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I too would be interested in receiving the list in digest form -- Ruthann

JANET BULLARD wrote:

> Lesley,
>
> I see someone is getting digests from the list - can you please let me know
> how to get on the digest rather than receive a whole lot of mails each day.
> I quite often don't download mail daily and am on other lists as a digest
> subscriber. When I do get round to downloading mail there's quite a lot
> which takes a bit of time I must admit.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Janet
> Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
> janetb@ozemail.com.au

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:21:09 -0600
From: Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <71EF2C533A9BD11187FF006097DF40082A0E81@ntsrv004.corp.novatel.ca>

I have just joined this list today. My name is Jude Fine and I do senior dog
rescue. I have a houseful of senior dogs and cats, including one diabetic dog,
Emily, who I have been treating for almost two years now. Thankfully (I guess),
she is *only* diabetic.

About 7 weeks ago, I took in a senior foster dog, a mini American Eskimo, Molly.
Molly had a fair bit of hair loss on her chest, belly and around her tail; as
well, she was drinking a lot. I had a geriatric blood panel done on her. It
showed her to be diabetic, as well as having non-regenerative anemia and a mild
low thyroid problem. We have been working on getting the diabetes stablized but
aren't there yet. Her BG count is down from 38 to around 23 but we need to get
it lower. Her insulin dosage has been upped from 4 units to 12, gradually in
increments of 2 units, over a period of weeks.

I was hopeful that as she got healthier in general, her hair loss would correct
itself. My vet has hinted at her being cushnoid ever since he began treating
her and I guess I have been in denial. In any case, her hair loss has not
improved at all, and I suspect she is losing a bit more. She does not, however,
have the pot belly often associated with Cushings.

I read on another list that diabetes can be a side effect of advanced Cushings
disease and this is really scary, as I don't know what *advanced* means. I also
don't know how the two drugs normally used to treat Cushings will interact with
insulin.

Any thoughts, suggestions, are welcome.

Thanks!

Jude

Jude Fine
Senior Canine Rescue Society
jfine@novatel.ca; olddoglady@writeme.com
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/9703/
"Hug an Old Dog Today"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ruthann Peterson [SMTP:rppete@execpc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 8:49 AM
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Digest
>
> I too would be interested in receiving the list in digest form -- Ruthann
>
> JANET BULLARD wrote:
>
> > Lesley,
> >
> > I see someone is getting digests from the list - can you please let me know
> > how to get on the digest rather than receive a whole lot of mails each day.
> > I quite often don't download mail daily and am on other lists as a digest
> > subscriber. When I do get round to downloading mail there's quite a lot
> > which takes a bit of time I must admit.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Janet
> > Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
> > janetb@ozemail.com.au
>
>

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:28:08 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: "muffin" <muffin@esosoft.com>, <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: intact females cushings or diabetic
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I am posting this to both the cushings and diabetes lists because I am =
not sure which problem contributes the most.
Gretle is a cushings/diabetic intact female dachshund. She has no =
cushings symptoms on 10 mg Anipryl day, 3 1/2 month duration. She =
weighs 12 pounds and started at 7 units of insulin. This has decreased =
to 2 units humulin N once per day. I am not sure if this will decrease =
more? I would have been in big trouble had I not found the diabetic =
list and started ear sticks despite an initial determination of =
impossibility re bloodless dog. With only urine tests, I would have =
been doing frequent overdoses. =20
1) I know that the literature says neuter the bitch but has anyone had =
real life experience with cushings/diabetic, cushings, or diabetic =
intact female pet? Gretle is due near the end of June and I need to =
make a decision but would rather wait out this time if I am not advised =
that the disruption would prove too dangerous.
2) I have noticed Gretle's back leg weakness and some transient limping =
for a long time and assumed it to be arthritis etc. A close inspection =
of her feet showed a crack on each front foot and some fragmenting of =
the front toepads on her one back foot. She was overweight prior to =
illness. Even though Gretle does not show foot discomfort and there is =
no evidence of infection could the stiff gait and back leg problems be =
from the footpad damage or just foot problems from being overweight? My =
only question really is whether we are imputing too much to neuropathy =
or muscle wasting when it really may be foot problems?
3) Is some of the problem in regulating the diabetic/cushings pet =
because of a decreasing need for insulin going undetected? Gretle seems =
to have rebound bg at higher than expected bg (80-90)and the effects =
last for several days. Had I been going with dipsticks, I would not =
have caught these swings and probably increased the insulin rather than =
decrease it. Some of these changes are very subtle. Some swings come =
without any apparent external cause so that a wait and see approach =
seems warranted. I do not know if this is just with the Anipryl treated =
pets? Or is this common with intact diabetic females?
4) Last note. I have had slow to dissolve clumps in my insulin with =
consistent handling. Most days it mixes easily but some days it mixes =
more slowly. Sometimes this is difficult to observe. I have consistent =
problems with the bubbles sticking on the rubber part of the needle =
plunger. These can be difficult to see at times also. It is as if the =
bubbles try to hide. I do not remember one time in the last several =
weeks that I did not have to eject these bubbles 3-4 times before =
getting a clean load. Are some of the people missing these sneaky stuck =
on the plunger bubbles or am I alone on this?
chester

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undetected?  Gretle seems to have rebound bg at higher than =
expected bg=20
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:27:56 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: SUNNY update
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Hello everyone, my mum and dad took me to another vet (the man with the needles
and cold round disc for my tummy) on Friday and he was really nice, I heard him
say to mum that the other vet should never have done a ACTH stim test as I was
not a well pup, it seems that I have a staph infection on my feet and something
close to strep throat in humans. My mum had told him that I was coughing alot
after I drank water. He looked down my throat and saw it was hurting. Boy am I
glad someone finally looked down there and saw how sore it was. He decided to
do a complete blood workup on me (needles again!). He did a thyroid test also a
liver test, my liver enzymes are not as low as they should be but they are
getting there however slow it may seem to be to my mum and dad. Mum has some
antibiotics to give me for my throat and some shampoo to bathe my feet in every
day and rinse them in cold water - oooh the cold water feels really good on my
pads. The man with the needles and cold round disc for my tummy told my mum and
dad that the cold water rinse would keep infection from spreading back into my
open pores. I have to go back to see him on Friday (more needles and the cold
round disc again) and if I am better he will do his own stim test there and we
can get my results straight away, he has also reduced my Lysodren dose from 1500
mg a week to 500 mg a week, my mum gives me 250mg on Monday and 250mg on
Thursday. Thank you for being there for my mum and dad, I know it helps them
alot. Woof Woof from Sunny and Meow Purr Purr from my cat sister Saphir and of
course Bark Bark from my every loving sister at Rainbow Bridge - Sadie. (You
know my mum and dad, Jackie and Randy)

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:32:01 -0400
From: Valerie Allen <VBAllen@concentric.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: more rimadyl
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Judy,

My understanding is that Rimadyl may cause liver or kidney damage (in a
small percentage of dogs). My vet recomends monitoring levels for both
regularly, he believes that a change in the blood levels would show up
before a serious problem occurs. At Cleo's age and with her overall
health in mind, her comfort is my primary concern. But some of the
decisions you have to make sure are tough.

Valerie

DFRS2 wrote:
>
> Valerie:
>
> The side affects I have heard about from Rimadyl are liver related. Have you
> heard differently? I have decided to keep Rosie, my lab, on Rimadyl for the
> time being because she is not exhibiting any bad side affects at present and
> it really helps her. Good luck with Cleo, it is a difficult call to make when
> you see them in so much pain. Trust your own feelings, you know her best. My
> vet said as long as she continues to eat we shouldn't worry.
>
> Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:38:37 CST
From: "Kathleen J. Spradlin-Miller" <kmiller@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re-introduction
Message-ID: <3BF471B794E@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>

Hello Everyone!

I've been monitoring the list for a while now, trying to keep up with
all of you and your little ones. I just thought I'd let you know
that I'm still around, and still care.

Since the wonderful diagnosis that CoCo did not have Cushings, he's
been doing great. CoCo's 13 years old now, but he's still his lively
little self. He's even gained back a half pound of the pound that
he'd lost.

CoCo's still bald on his back though, with just a bit of fuzz. He has
a lot of hair on his legs and tummy, and on his head. But he still
has the flaking skin -- no more skin eruptions, though. Dr. Weber
thinks that the skin problem is a staph infection, and CoCo's getting
medication for that. As for the flaking, I've been giving him
protein additives in his food (such as The Missing Link). I'm also
going to try one of the shampoos that you all have recommended
(Dermazole or Miconazole) -- when I find it, that is. None of the
shampoos were in the various pet supply catalogs. Does anyone have a
suggestion as to where I might find one of them?

Love to all and your little ones!

Jean and CoCo

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:49:51 -0600
From: Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Recall: Introduction
Message-ID: <71EF2C533A9BD11187FF006097DF40082A0E83@ntsrv004.corp.novatel.ca>

Jude Fine would like to recall the message, "Introduction".

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:47:59 -0600
From: Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: more rimadyl
Message-ID: <71EF2C533A9BD11187FF006097DF40082A0E82@ntsrv004.corp.novatel.ca>

Some excellent info on Rimadyl can be found at
http://www.srdogs.com

FYI.

Jude

Jude Fine
Senior Canine Rescue Society
jfine@novatel.ca; olddoglady@writeme.com
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/9703/
"Hug an Old Dog Today"

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:43:45 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: "Sunny" Update
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Jackie....

Cute Story!!

Schonus also has been battling staph infections in his feet. At one
point he could hardly walk! We had him on at least three different
antibiotics...none of which worked. Did the new Vet prescribe
antibiotics for Sunny's staph infection? I'd also be curious to know
what kind of shampoo was recommended for her feet? I had never heard of
tea tree oil until someone here recommended it and I had great success
with the oil versus antibiotics.

Hope you and your family find some peace of mind with your new Vet!

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:49:10 EDT
From: Cybervet5@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-05-27 12:38:30 EDT, VBAllen@concentric.net writes:

<< My understanding is that Rimadyl may cause liver or kidney damage (in a
small percentage of dogs). My vet recomends monitoring levels for both
regularly, >>
I like to check liver enzymes on all my geritrics before starting Rimadyl...

M. Brownstein DVM

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:55:52 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Schonus Update
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Hi Everyone....

As I had mentioned Schonus had his ACTH test and thyroid test done
yesterday. What a long/short nite we had! I could have cried! He
drank over 2 1/2 gallons of water last nite and we were running outside
almost every hour with a colitis attack!

I gave my Vet a call this AM and told him what happened to include the
red "blotch" on his belly. Bottom line is...no more ACTH tests.
Schonus will be getting dexmethesone stim test (I think that's what he
called it) instead. He told me that test isn't as accurate as ACTH but
he wasn't putting Schonus thru all this again.

While I was there I also discussed with my Vet the problem with Schonus'
"dandruff". He said that it was another Cushing's thing and gave me
some shampoo called Sulf OxyDex..with active ingredients Benzoyl
Peroxide and Sulfur. I wanted to check with my Vet first as Schonus is
quite sensitive to a whole lot of things and I didnt want to take any
chances. Just wanted to make sure it was dandruff...not fungus
infection, etc.

We're now waiting AGAIN patiently for the results of his tests.
Sometimes I feel like I'm in the Army.... "Hurry Up and Wait"!!

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:53:54 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Amaryllis has this problem too, in her right shoulder. She had hurt it a
coule times in the past few years but now it's very bad. Chiropractic seems
to help quite a bit--I'm going to try acupuncture, too. It's definitely not
related to blood draws for A.--she's had very few. Good luck with it.

At 11:14 PM 5/26/98 EDT, you wrote:
> Mollie Bear has been having quite a problem with a lame leg lately. I
>initially blamed it on an accident with a door (she was a little eager to get
>in and banged into the door). However, it's the wrong leg. Perhaps a sprain
>from limping from the door injury? But now after seeing her return from her
>weekly diabetes test (blood sugar is STILL too high but a little lower) she
>was walking with this leg "pigeon-toed" Can having frequent blood draws
>cause a "lameness" problem?
> I'm going to lay off the blood draws for a week or two or longer to see
what
>happens. Just wondering if anyone has had this problem and what to do. The
>Rimadyl (shudder) is helping. At least she's putting weight on the leg now
>but she's still uncomfortable.
> Thanks! (Welcome back Leslie!) Debbie & Mollie Bear
>
>
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas

"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham Van Helsing,
M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:00:16 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi All,
This is my understanding of the ACTH stim test and the relationship between
the pituitary and adrenal glands. Ya'll help me out if I get anything fouled up.
:)
The "stuff" that is injected during the ACTH stim test is ACTH, or
adrenocorticotrophic hormone (boy, that's a mouthful). ACTH is the substance that
is produced by the pituitary gland and it "tells" the adrenal gland to produce
cortisol (cortisone). The cortisone feeds back to the pituitary gland and when
the cortisone reaches a certain level, the pituitary gland the produces less
ACTH. In dogs with pituitary-dependant Cushings, the pituitary does not react to
the cortisone level, and thus produces too much of ACTH, which in turn tells the
adrenal gland to produce too much cortisone, etc.
During an ACTH stim test, blood is taken before and after the ACTH is
injected, and the cortisone level in the blood is measured. Normally the body
will produce less ACTH once the injection is given, but in dogs with Cushing's
they keep producing ACTH. By measuring the cortisone in the blood, the test can
determine if a dog has Cushing's. The test can also be used to tell if the proper
amount of medication is being given.

-- Liza and Boomer

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:04:40 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: SUNNY update
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Dear Sunny,
It sounds like the trip to the new vet was a wise decision. I'm sorry to hear
that you have sore feets and throat. I hope the medicine makes you feel better.

Love, Boomer

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:09:13 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Schonus Update
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Linda,
It sounds like you've been through a lot lately. But one thing I'm
learning about coping with this disease is to have patience. I know it's
"Easier said than done", but that's what we have to do. So, hang in
there.....

-- Liza and Boomer

L Boyce wrote:

> Hi Everyone....
>
> .....
> We're now waiting AGAIN patiently for the results of his tests.
> Sometimes I feel like I'm in the Army.... "Hurry Up and Wait"!!
>
> Linda & Schonus

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:54:20 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: rglove19@idt.net, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: ACTH Stim
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Jan:

The second test sounds more like the ACTH stim test. On the ACTH stim test,
first of all it costs me about $90.00 each time we do one so the price should
give it away. Also, they only draw blood on Rosie twice and she is always
done by noon. The first draw is for the "pre" number and the second draw is
for the "post" number.

Okay, I found her results so now I can speak a little more intelligently.

Rosie's first test was for diagnosis like I said yesterday. She tested "pre"
2.6 and the normal range is 1-5. However, after the cortisol injection she
tested 30.8 with normal range is 8-17. This indication is where she was
diagnosed.

Rosie's second test was taken after her load in dose of Lysodren. 1000 mg
each day for 10 days. She tested "pre" .3, normal range 1.5 and "post" 1.9,
normal range 1-5. This test indicated Rosie was too low and almost an
Addison's dog.

Her third test since on Lysodren maintenance she was "pre" 1.8 and "post" 5.4.
Again the normal range is 1-5 for both readings. This test was much closer to
what we have wanted to see. Since she was still a little high on the "post"
test we decided to increase her maintenance dosage from 250 mg twice a week to
375 mg twice a week. We also were seeing some of the Cushing's side affects
return.

I have not had her tested again, but just been trying to regulate her insulin.
This seems to be quite the challenge. Her lifestyle has not changed. I have
been wondering if the warmer weather affects her insulin absorption or
increases her need for more units. She has not been doing anything
differently (i.e. exercise, what is that) She is just lucky to be able to
stand up each time she trys. My vet suggested I not try to instigate an
exercise routine for her until she is more capable of walking, standing or
getting up and down.

Well, I got a little too long winded. My suggestion would be to ask your vet
what tests were given to Dudley and ask for detailed explanations on each one.
Good luck and hope this helps.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:05:01 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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Welcome Jude!

If I were you I wouldn't assume anything regarding diagnosis. I have heard so
many different things on this list that I couldn't relate to like
hyperthyroidism or pancreaitus (sp?). The website for Cushing's at
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings may list more symptoms to help you
out. If you are seeing several symptoms similar to what you read, I would
suggest an ACTH stim test be performed on Molly. That should show Cushing's.

Don't worry about medication for the treatment of Cushing's and insulin. I
haven't seen or heard of any problem between the two working together.
Rosie's Cushing's may just be so advanced that her Diabetes is hard to
regulate. I am still learning in regards to that.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:14:38 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: intact females cushings or diabetic
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Chester:

1. Rosie is spayed so I cannot respond to your first note.

2. I definitely believe that the hind leg weakness is Cushing's or Diabetes
related. Rosie was overweight also at diagnosis but she was running and
jumping March 1st and not moving less than two weeks later.

3. I perform urine tests twice a day as recommended by my vet since Rosie is
on Lysodren. When she was on Annipryl we could judge by her water intake. I
know a lot of people do earsticks, but my vet doesn't suggest it. I really
don't have the time or understand what the benefits would be if I did do
sticks. My vet believes that Rosie would be made too uncomfortable to put her
through them, but frankly I don't buy that. If I felt we could really benefit
from earsticks I would do it.

4. Oops, I forgot what no. 4 was.

I will read your note again and try to respond if I have anything else to add.
Hope this helps.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:19:08 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: intact females cushings or diabetic
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Chester:

Oh yeah, No. 4 Bubbles in the syringe. I can relate to them also. However,
we are using NPH Llentin I and I do not have the mixing problem. Please make
sure you are rolling your insulin and not shaking. I have read that some
insulins do not allow the air bubbles to float to the top. I use to fill the
syringe with air and insert the extra air into the vial to help it draw
better. But when we started having regulation problems with Rosie at the end
of the bottle, we thought maybe the air was comprising the effectiveness of
the insulin. So, I stopped doing that. Now I just draw and squirt it back in
and draw again until I get a clean, bubble-free syringe.

Okay, that's it sports fan.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:21:56 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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That is so cute! How creative your are.

It sounds like good news as well as a terrific vet. Good luck this week.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:23:19 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: more rimadyl
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Valerie:

That is so true! Thanks for your response.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:54:55 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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Benzoyl Peroxide shampoo is used for bacterial skin infections. Yes, it is
drying. but a combination of both an anti-fungal and the benzoyl peroxide
shampoos has cleared up my dog's skin in a very few bathing sessions. It
is now 3 weeks since I started using the shampoos (down to 2x a week) and
Annie has lost all of her bald spots including one that was there for 18
months. She no longer has the "old gym shoe" odor which was driving me
crazy and her flakes are 95% gone. Being a professional groomer I have all
types of shampoos and oil treatments available to me. None worked until I
tried this combination. I had used the benzoyl peroxide shampoo alone on
a weekly basis and it did not help. I strongly suspect that the
anti-fungal shampoo is doing the job. I had also tried several fatty acid
and oil supplements with no success. I think the vet was right--some
Cushing's dogs are suseptible to fungus skin infections.

Janice & Annie

----------
> From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 1998 7:55 PM
>
> Doesn't Benzoyl Peroxide shampoo have a drying effect on the skin? My
vet said
> not to use it on Boomer because his skin is already dry and it would make
it
> worse. I haven't heard of the anti-fungal shampoo until recently. I'll
have
> to check into it. I've used the oatmeal shampoo before and also believe
that
> it provides relief from the itchy skin, but won't cure the dryness.
>
> -- Liza and Boomer
>
> Janice Glosson wrote:
>
> > Two of the best shampoos to use with Cushing's dogs are a Benzoyl
Peroxide
> > one (Oxydex or the equivalent) or an anti-fungal one (Miconazole or the
> > equivalent) depending on what is causing the dog's skin to be flakey.
My
> > poodle responded to the anti-fungal shampoo immediately. She had been
on
> > several fatty acid supplements. Oatmeal shampoos are to soothe itchy
skin
> > but do not treat the actual problem and they do not remove dandruff.
> >
> > Janice & Annie
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:03:16 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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Subject: Re: Schonus Update
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Hang in there, Linda. Sounds like you and Schous need a hug. Consider
yourselves hugged and nuzzled by Rosie and I.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:07:16 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: ACTH Stim test
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Thanks for your response, Liza. That was helpful and most accurate.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:08:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: ACTH Stim Test
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Judy,

Both of the tests that were given to Dudley were called Low Dose
Dexamenthasone Sup. They each cost $80.00. I guess I should request
a copy of the results so I would have something to compare them with.
Even after the tests my vet had to consult with an internist (sp) because
he thought Dudley was borderline. They both decided to treat and so far so
good.

Jan Glover, Seattle, WA
Dudley my Cushings dog

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:44:06 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: jglosson@genevaonline.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Janice,

Can you supply the names of the shampoos? Are they available at pet supply
stores, at the vet's, or are they human shampoos? I found an antibacterial
product, but had no luck finding any anti-fungal shampoos. ( Pet Smart)

Thanks,

Anne and Targa ( What! I have dandruff!!?)

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:47:50 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: "Sunny" Update
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Linda, I will check the name out when I go home and let you know tomorrow,
it has worked wonders on her feet, I have been doing it since Friday last
and today, they look wonderful, not at all red, I massage each of them for
the whole 5 minutes then rinse in cold water, then just pat dry, she if not
even licking them anymore, this has been wonderful for her. Talk to you
tomorrow. Jackie and Sunny

At 07:43 PM 5/27/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Jackie....
>
>Cute Story!!
>
>Schonus also has been battling staph infections in his feet. At one
>point he could hardly walk! We had him on at least three different
>antibiotics...none of which worked. Did the new Vet prescribe
>antibiotics for Sunny's staph infection? I'd also be curious to know
>what kind of shampoo was recommended for her feet? I had never heard of
>tea tree oil until someone here recommended it and I had great success
>with the oil versus antibiotics.
>
>Hope you and your family find some peace of mind with your new Vet!
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:09:15 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: I'm back . . . and interest from Dog Fancy Magazine
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Leslie,

On Tuesday, 5/26, you wrote:

<If you do not wish for her to use information from your archive posts (even
<anonymously), please let me know. She seems very respectful of our privacy,
<and I'm certain she would not go against anyone's wishes.

Please ask Dr. Susan Bertram to exclude us in the publication of her article.
However, if there is a vet out there who is conducting on-going research on
Cushings, we would be happy to participate in any way that we can through
questionnaires, surveys, field research, etc., and anything that we can measure
or do on a daily basis that perhaps might add to his/her bank of data needed to
help defeat this disease.

Many thanks to you for your efforts in keeping this forum a safe haven
for our hearts and as a place where we can brainstorm freely and exchange ideas
and information with vets and with our friends, who now have become a second
family to us. And many thanks to Scot for doing such a terrific job while you
were away!

Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:05:58 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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The antifungal shampoo I use is only available through a vet around
here. I don't know if some of the vet supply catalogs may have it or if
you need a prescription to get it.
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com
Sam, 11-3/4-yr-old Cushinoid Akita, 64 lbs, on 750 mg Lysodren weekly

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:25:11 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: "Sunny" Update
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Hello Linda and Schonus, my shampoo is called SULF OXY DEX and my
antibioticsare called Clavamox 250mg, boy my paws are wonderful, mummy
washes them everymorning in the kitchen sinkk and puts the timer on for 5
minutes, it is heaven, but oooh that cold water shocks me a bit but then it
is over and she picks me up and pats my paws gently, and then she gives me a
cookie, oooh they feel lovely the rest of the day, I have to go back to the
doctor tomorrow for a check up, I hope that he tells me that I am much
better, as I feel it. Woof Woof to Schonus and every one else. Sunny (Jackie
and Randy's baby).

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:28:12 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Update
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Judy & Rosie.....

Such a sweet gesture!!

Schonus is actually feeling better today! In fact, he asked me to ask
Rosie "What's she doin' Saturday nite?"

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:30:54 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Update
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Liza.....

Been going thru this now for almost two years....guess you could say I
could fall in the "patience" category! We've actually got "Frequent
Flyer Miles" established with our Vet!!

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:16:22 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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Jan: You may just want to ask your vet what the difference is between the two
tests. I would be interested to know also.

Thanks for your response to my response.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:44:50 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
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CBABTPC@aol.com wrote:

> Janice,
>
> Can you supply the names of the shampoos? Are they available at pet supply
> stores, at the vet's, or are they human shampoos? I found an antibacterial
> product, but had no luck finding any anti-fungal shampoos. ( Pet Smart)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anne and Targa ( What! I have dandruff!!?)

Anna.....

I've used Pyoben made by Allerderm when Pinetta got a ?fungal
infection.....seemed to do the trick for us. Right now, am using Relief made
by DVM Pharmaceuticals. Pinetta has allergies and in past I've given her 1/2
a Benedryl.....now am leary to give that to her on top of the other pills.

The Pyoben was recommended to me specifically for a fungal infection that
Pinetta got about 3 years ago; last summer, when I suspect the Cushings
symptoms began....she lost a strip of hair and put on about 4 lbs (18 to
22)......and she should weigh 15. Even on a diet, it was the weight problem
that led us to Cushings. I used the Pyoben, thinking it was another fungal
problem, and it cleared it up rather quickly. Just my experience.

susan and
pinetta (who unfortunately has to make ANOTHER trip to the vet this week for
her cough....thinking related to the trach tube for anastesia. She's none too
pleased.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:52:31 EST5EDT
From: "Barbara Berube" <BERUBE@PATHOLOGY.Lan.McGill.CA>
To: Cushings-Pets@McFeeley.cc.UTexas.Edu
Subject: Side effects of Anipryl
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Hi All,

I've chosen to consult the "experts" concerning Barney my WHWT.
Basically if you recall, he was diagnosed with Cushing's
approximately 2.5 months ago and was on 15 mg of Anipryl for the
first month and has been on 30mg daily for the past two weeks.
Last night when I arrived home, he seemed fine, wanting part of
my apple turnover and milkshake. During the night I woke up
with him staring at me and then once awake, he came over and
sat on me. Assuming he had to go out I immediately did so and
it was obvious that he needed to go but the symptoms,
unfortunately, did not reside. This morning he seems a little
listless, is drinking water and ate his dry food, something he
did not do last night. I was just wondering if anyone on the
list has experienced similar episodes and if this is possibly a
side effect of Anpiryl. I would appreciate knowing the side
effects. The panting is probably due to the heat during this
time but the rest I'm unsure of.

Many Thanks,

Barb
Barney
Lady

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:14:24 -0400
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Back on-line
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Hi everybody. I am back on-line after my move from Indianapolis to Austin,
Texas. The dogs did fairly well with the move. It was their first time on
a plane and it was very hot. The airline took very good care of them
including one flight attendant who went down in the cargo hold to give them
water while we were waiting to take-off. A very special thanks to Dillon
who met my plane and stayed to make sure that everything was OK.

I hope everyone is doing well. It's good to get back in the swing of
things.

Doreen, Kelso and Blair

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:48:33 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Side effects of Anipryl
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Barbara:
Gretle is a 12 pound dachshund who has been on 10mg of anipryl since
mid-February and has not shown any side effects. I was a bit worried after
reading the insert that comes with the pills but nothing showed up. I do
not have the insert with me so I do not remember what side effects were
listed. She does seem to want to still go out earlier in the morning than
she used to but she has diabetes and is on a high fiber diet which makes the
reason she wants out different from when she was showing symptoms from
drinking too much water.
chester
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From: Barbara Berube <BERUBE@PATHOLOGY.Lan.McGill.CA>
To: Cushings-Pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<Cushings-Pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 9:58 AM
Subject: Side effects of Anipryl

Hi All,

Many Thanks,

Barb
Barney
Lady

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:19:41 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hi, I,m back too
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Lia,

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S!!!

So glad to hear from you and Maggie! We were starting to worry about you
two when we hadn't heard from you for awhile. (But then, we assumed you were
burning that midnight oil with your studies.)

Welcome back and hugs to Maggie!
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:47:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl Side Effects
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Hi, I still have my insert for Anipryl and this is what is says:

1) diarrhea 2) disorientation 3) diarrhea, vomiting & listlessness
4) diminished hearing 5) restlessness in two dogs

This was a trial of only 132 dogs over 18 month period.

My dog has been on 30mg for about 1 1/2 months with no side effects.

Jan Glover, Seattle, WA
Dudley, my Cushings dog

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:50:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Side effects of Anipryl
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Barb-

Disturbance of the sleep-wake cycle and panting are common effects of
Cushing's. Listlessness can be a sign of too much reduction in cortisone
production, but if Barney's eating well that's probably not the problem.

It's certainly never a bad idea to bring Barney's symptoms to the
attention of his vet. Keep us posted!

-Leslie

On Fri, 29 May 1998, Barbara Berube wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've chosen to consult the "experts" concerning Barney my WHWT.
> Basically if you recall, he was diagnosed with Cushing's
> approximately 2.5 months ago and was on 15 mg of Anipryl for the
> first month and has been on 30mg daily for the past two weeks.
> Last night when I arrived home, he seemed fine, wanting part of
> my apple turnover and milkshake. During the night I woke up
> with him staring at me and then once awake, he came over and
> sat on me. Assuming he had to go out I immediately did so and
> it was obvious that he needed to go but the symptoms,
> unfortunately, did not reside. This morning he seems a little
> listless, is drinking water and ate his dry food, something he
> did not do last night. I was just wondering if anyone on the
> list has experienced similar episodes and if this is possibly a
> side effect of Anpiryl. I would appreciate knowing the side
> effects. The panting is probably due to the heat during this
> time but the rest I'm unsure of.
>
>
> Many Thanks,
>
>
>
> Barb
> Barney
> Lady
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:35:25 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: "cushings" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>,
"muffin" <muffin@esosoft.com>
Subject: intact female pets
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Comeon folks I can't be the only one with an intact female pet with =
cushings or diabetes? I asked Gretle if she wanted to be "fixed" and =
she said she would rather wait until she hears from someone who had a =
bad experience! I did show her the book saying she should and it didn't =
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:17:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Cc: muffin <muffin@esosoft.com>
Subject: Re: intact female pets
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Chester-

Just some thoughts regarding one part of your earlier e-mail (regarding
the decision to spay or not spay):

If Gretle's health is fragile right now--as I gather it is--I would
personally be hesitant to put her through the added stress of surgery to
spay her. As I was warned before our Melissa had her liver
surgery, Cushinoid dogs have a tendency to throw blood clots. Although
the risk during surgery is small, it's still there. Our vet was so
concerned about it that she even recommended we say goodbye to her before
she underwent her necessary surgery. She lived through the surgery, I
believe in my heart that her health spiralled downward afterward.

Yet another concern is that a body requires a little extra cortisol to
handle a stresser like surgery. This has the potential to throw her
Cushing's treatment out of whack.

None of this is to say that you shouldn't spay Gretle. I'm not at all
knowledgable about the benefit or necessity of spaying Cushinoid/Diabetic
dogs, so I have know way of helping you weigh the pros and cons. Do let
us know what you and your vet decide to do.

Best wishes to you and big hugs to Gretle,

-Leslie

On Fri, 29 May 1998, chester b. smith wrote:

> Comeon folks I can't be the only one with an intact female pet with cushings or diabetes? I asked Gretle if she wanted to be "fixed" and she said she would rather wait until she hears from someone who had a bad experience! I did show her the book saying she should and it didn't change her mind.
> chester
>

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:19:54 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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I too use Relief spray for Boomer's dry skin. It seems to help considerably. He
is so funny about it. Normally when I spray cologne on him he runs around then
rolls on his back like trying to get the spray off. But when I use his "itchy
spray" on him he doesn't seem to mind, almost as if he knows that it will make his
skin feel better. Our furbabies are so smart sometimes!!

-- Liza and Boomer (I love my "itchy spray"! It makes me feel good!)

Susan West wrote:

> CBABTPC@aol.com wrote:
>
> Anna.....
>
> I've used Pyoben made by Allerderm when Pinetta got a ?fungal
> infection.....seemed to do the trick for us. Right now, am using Relief made
> by DVM Pharmaceuticals. Pinetta has allergies and in past I've given her 1/2
> a Benedryl.....now am leary to give that to her on top of the other pills.
> ......

> susan and
> pinetta (who unfortunately has to make ANOTHER trip to the vet this week for
> her cough....thinking related to the trach tube for anastesia. She's none too
> pleased.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:10:46 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: BERUBE@PATHOLOGY.Lan.McGill.CA, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
Cushings-Pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Side effects of Anipryl
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>>Assuming he had to go out I immediately did so and
it was obvious that he needed to go but the symptoms,
unfortunately, did not reside. This morning he seems a little
listless, is drinking water and ate his dry food, something he
did not do last night. I was just wondering if anyone on the
list has experienced similar episodes and if this is possibly a
side effect of Anpiryl. I<<>

I'm not sure if you were referring to loose stools as the side effect in
question, but if so, the answer is yes. About the only side effect from the
Anipryl is loose stools upon initiation of treatment, and this usually clears
up on its own. I'm guessing that a dose change could have the same effect.

My dog, Targa, has been on Anipryl for 1 and 1/2 moths. She had loose stools
at first, but the problem resolved spontaneously. We did not have any
listlessness or loss of appetite, however, so you may want to keep an eye on
things, in case something else is going on.

Hope this helps,

Anne and Targa

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:26:44 EDT
From: DLowder25@aol.com
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Attention seeking??
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Mollie Bear spent the day at the vets again for blood sugar testing. She's
still the same (actually up 3 points). I think she's doing this for
attention!!
My vet is getting a little frustrated too I think. She found a urinary
tract infection so we think that may be keeping her sugars up too high. So we
have another pill to take. She's going to start jiggling soon. Poor little
Bear. One of these days we're going to get her under 300. (Then I'll
celebrate with a banana split!)
By the way, we're up to 32 units now. We started with 11 units, 5 weeks
ago.
My vet has been so super since this diabetes diagnosis. She's gone above
and beyond the call of duty! Thanks Dr. Holly LeBeau!!!!
Have a good weekend everyone! Debbie & Mollie Bear

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:26:01 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Back on-line
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Doreen:

Welcome to Texas and back on-line.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:47:10 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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Debbie and Mollie Bear:

Thanks for the update.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:59:26 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: Muffin@esosoft.com, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Rosie Update - Texas Heat!
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Well, here my weekly update on Rosie! It has been so hot in Texas (100
degrees today), Rosie has been panting and shedding again. I certainly hope
it is from the heat. It sure gets scary that it might be some of those
Cushing's symptoms rearing their ugly heads.

She has been running high bgs for some time. I had slowly reduced her insulin
down to 11 units twice a day, and then she started running high. I increased
only one unit at a time until 13 units with no change and at times even worse.
She continued to run high so I bumped her a couple of units to 15. It must
have worked because the last couple of days she finally tested lower and
tonight I got my first negative test. So I decreased her again to 14 units
and will see how she does for the next few days. Going to refill Rosie's
Lysodren prescription this weekend and start I think her fourth two-week
period of maintenance.

By the way, someone asked about bloated abdomens, and I just thought I would
mention that Rosie's has shrunk. She looks pretty trim for an old gal!

Hope everyone has a nice weekend.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:58:40 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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Liza:

I didn't know they made a spray, I'm using the shampoo right now. I do know when
Pinetta was little baby, she had sensitive skin and I used a spray and she loved it.
Thanks, I'll look into it. She's done a lot better this week after a Saturday bath in
the "oatmeal shampoo", but I still notice her chewing her feet a little.

susan, and pinetta, too.

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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:07:12 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Side effects of Anipryl
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> .
>
> My dog, Targa, has been on Anipryl for 1 and 1/2 moths. She had loose stools
> at first, but the problem resolved spontaneously. We did not have any
> listlessness or loss of appetite, however, so you may want to keep an eye on
> things, in case something else is going on.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Anne and Targa

Pinetta has only been on the Anipryl for a week now and I've noticed no change
whatsoever, though she does seem slower to delve into her food bowl......once
she gets started though, watch out. I do keep in touch with my vet, and she
always ask if there has been any change or if I've noticed any side effects.
Curious when the loose stools began. Pinetta eats canned R/D and Pro-Plan Lite
Dry mixed (in other words ---- she poops a lot! And yea......her cough went
away, so we've cancelled our weekly vet visit this week.

susan and pinetta

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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 07:41:57 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Side Effects
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>Hi, I still have my insert for Anipryl and this is what is says:
>
> 1) diarrhea 2) disorientation 3) diarrhea, vomiting & listlessness
> 4) diminished hearing 5) restlessness in two dogs
>
>This was a trial of only 132 dogs over 18 month period.
>
>My dog has been on 30mg for about 1 1/2 months with no side effects.
>
>Jan Glover, Seattle, WA
>Dudley, my Cushings dog

My Penny has been on anipryl since last Sept. and has some of the side
effects-1 &3. We reduced her dose after a couple of days on prednisone and
she is doing pretty well again.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
in Michigan

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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:32:12 -0500
From: "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
To: <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: New to the list and needing some info.
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My name is Michelle and my Pembroke Welsh Corgi (Punkin) was diagnosed =
last Friday with Cushing's Syndrome. I'm still in shock over all of =
this. Punkin lives with my parents, who are retired, at Table Rock Lake =
in southern Missouri. She also spends time with my husband and I here =
in Kansas City. I've just started reading about the disease and I'm =
sure that I'll have a million questions here really soon but I have a =
pressing one right now. Does stress make her illness worse? Punkin =
does not like to ride in the car and my parents are coming up to see us =
in a couple of weeks. They don't want to do anything to set her back at =
this point, as she is doing very well on her medication (Anipryl 1x =
daily). What are your thoughts? =20

While I hate having to have to be looking for a forum such as this for =
my wonderful, beautiful baby, I'm so glad that it's out there!! Thanks =
in advance for your advice

Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:22:49 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New to the list and needing some info.
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In a message dated 5/30/1998 6:38:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cdauten@planetkc.com writes:

<< My name is Michelle and my Pembroke Welsh Corgi (Punkin) was diagnosed last
Friday with Cushing's Syndrome. >>

Michelle,

I can't answer your question about stress (my Cushings furbaby is so
laid back, nothing ever stresses her), but I did want to take a moment
to say: Welcome to the list, and sorry you have to be here. But be
reassured that many of us (and I'm one of them) have Cushings
babies who are doing very well. This can be a manageable disease,
so hang in there.

Jackie
and Jessie

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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:44:44 EDT
From: LisaVann@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: intact female pets
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Chester:

One reason to go ahead and have your girl spayed is that with both Cushing's
and diabetes the immune system is weakened, making her more prone to uterine
infections ( called pyometra). Pyometra makes dogs incredibly ill and can be
life threatening. I for one would rather do the surgery on a dog with some
managed medical problems than wait until that same dog has a tremendous
infection as well as the same medical problems. Also, if she still is having
heat cycles, those are biological stresses that might be at times aggravating
her Cushing's or diabetes without your knowledge.

Just my opinion,

Lisa

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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:06:39 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New to the list and needing some info.
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> My name is Michelle and my Pembroke Welsh Corgi (Punkin) was
>diagnosed last Friday with Cushing's Syndrome. I'm still in shock over
>all of this. Punkin lives with my parents, who are retired, at Table
>Rock Lake in southern Missouri. She also spends time with my husband and
>I here in Kansas City. I've just started reading about the disease and
>I'm sure that I'll have a million questions here really soon but I have a
>pressing one right now. Does stress make her illness worse? Punkin does
>not like to ride in the car and my parents are coming up to see us in a
>couple of weeks. They don't want to do anything to set her back at this
>point, as she is doing very well on her medication (Anipryl 1x daily).
>What are your thoughts? While I hate having to have to be looking for
>a forum such as this for my wonderful, beautiful baby, I'm so glad that
>it's out there!! Thanks in advance for your advice Michelle & Punkin
>the PWC cdauten@planetkc.com

My Penny rides quite well when we travel down to my parents' house - a
three hour trip. She is tired from the trip but she handles it quite well.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
in Michigan

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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:29:51 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Skin Shampoo
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Susan,
Funny, when I read your first post, I thought you were talking about the spray! I
didn't know they made a shampoo! Now I'll have to check into it!

-- Liza and Boomer

Susan West wrote:

> Liza:
>
> I didn't know they made a spray, I'm using the shampoo right now. I do know when
> Pinetta was little baby, she had sensitive skin and I used a spray and she loved it.
> Thanks, I'll look into it. She's done a lot better this week after a Saturday bath in
> the "oatmeal shampoo", but I still notice her chewing her feet a little.
>
> susan, and pinetta, too.

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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:41:59 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi Michelle and Punkin:
I can't help with your question either, but would like say I'm glad
you found the list. It has helped me tremendously. If you haven't been
to the Leslie's Cushing's web page, you need to check it out. There is
lots of great info there. The address is

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/

-- Liza and Boomer (mini poo, diagnosed 3/98)

Chris and Michelle Dauten wrote:

> My name is Michelle and my Pembroke Welsh Corgi (Punkin) was
> diagnosed last Friday with Cushing's Syndrome. I'm still in shock
> over all of this. Punkin lives with my parents, who are retired, at
> Table Rock Lake in southern Missouri. She also spends time with my
> husband and I here in Kansas City. I've just started reading about
> the disease and I'm sure that I'll have a million questions here
> really soon but I have a pressing one right now. Does stress make her
> illness worse? Punkin does not like to ride in the car and my parents
> are coming up to see us in a couple of weeks. They don't want to do
> anything to set her back at this point, as she is doing very well on
> her medication (Anipryl 1x daily). What are your thoughts? While I
> hate having to have to be looking for a forum such as this for my
> wonderful, beautiful baby, I'm so glad that it's out there!! Thanks
> in advance for your advice Michelle & Punkin the
> PWCcdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:58:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Side effects of Anipryl
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Sweetie's test results came back Friday. She has been on Anipryl for about
4 months now. ALP went from 1500 to 264; ALT was 12 and is now 31; AKPH
went from 983 to 264. VERY good!

Vet also ran thryoid; .9 (1-5 normal). He gave me a throid medication at
half-strength, two pills daily. I gave her the first pill Friday with
dinner. At 5:00 a.m. she awakened me as she threw up a considerable
amount of yellow bile. Very alarming. Called vet Sat. a.m. and he said not
to give her another thyroid pill until Mon. a.m. She has been listless and
apathetic since she threw up, but she is eating well (!) and drinking
water when encouraged to do so. I suspended vitamins except for her milk
thistle and multivitamin. It is also very hot here but she is in air
conditioning...her temperature is elevated only slightly, 3-4 degrees.

Any ideas? Anyone had similar reactions? Any other dogs on Anipryl and a
thyroid medication? Please help as I am nervous about giving her the pill
on Monday. I don't have the name of the medication with me, but I believe
it starts with an 'S'. Thanks,

Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, 8 yrs.+ (Here I had dese gud test
results and now I'm sick!)

jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:49:05 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Side effects of Anipryl
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Really sorry to hear......Pinetta is on both Thyroid meds and Anipryl, but was
on thyroid meds since January and just started the Anipryl a week ago.....poor
girl. Would be interested in knowing what you find out. Going to retest
Pinetta's thryoid level in mid-June to see if maybe that's not a problem at
all. We've already cut from .4 mg down to .2 mg after the full blood workup
showed her level high and discovered whatever levels where high to warrant
further tests for Cushings.

Good Luck

Susan & Pinetta

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:35:22 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: intact female pets
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My female poodle is still intact although she does not come into season
since she was diagnosed with Cushing's. My holistic vet said that due to
the liver involvement with Cushing's that ANY surgery should be sone only
if absolutely necessary. He felt that spaying is optional and should not
be done unless the dog is under good control of Cusing's.

Janice & Annie

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From: chester b. smith <chesterb@penn.com>
To: cushings <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>; muffin
<muffin@esosoft.com>
Subject: intact female pets
Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 12:35 PM

Comeon folks I can't be the only one with an intact female pet with
cushings or diabetes? I asked Gretle if she wanted to be "fixed" and she
said she would rather wait until she hears from someone who had a bad
experience! I did show her the book saying she should and it didn't change
her mind.
chester

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:47:48 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Brag About Annie
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Annie is a silver mini poodle with Cushing's which has just recently come
under control. She is also a competitive Agility dog. Today, at the
United Kennel Club Premiere show, she won her class with a perfect score
and was second Highest Scoring Dog in the trial. Not bad for a Cushing's
dog!!!!

Although she looks awful--silver head and ears and a black body with silky
hair--I had tons of compliments on her speed and willingness to work. She
does love her Agility work!

Annie's nephew who does not have Cushing's was in second place to her--also
with a perfect score.

For those of you unfamiliar with Agility, the dog and handler run a course
consisting of 13-20 obstacles. The obstacles, which are done by the
dog--off lead, consist of jumps, tunnels, A-Frame, See-Saw, Dog Walk, Sway
Bridge, Swing Plank Pause Table and Pause Box. Least number of errors with
the fastest time wins. There are deductions for being over the set course
time. Although the obstacles are the same from trial to trial, the layout
of the course is totally different.

If you get a chance to watch an Agility trial, go for it. They are fun for
the spectators and all dogs love them!

Janice & Annie
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> From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Side effects of Anipryl
> Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 1:58 PM
>
> Sweetie's test results came back Friday. She has been on Anipryl for
about
> 4 months now. ALP went from 1500 to 264; ALT was 12 and is now 31; AKPH
> went from 983 to 264. VERY good!
>
> Vet also ran thryoid; .9 (1-5 normal). He gave me a throid medication at
> half-strength, two pills daily. I gave her the first pill Friday with
> dinner. At 5:00 a.m. she awakened me as she threw up a considerable
> amount of yellow bile. Very alarming. Called vet Sat. a.m. and he said
not
> to give her another thyroid pill until Mon. a.m. She has been listless
and
> apathetic since she threw up, but she is eating well (!) and drinking
> water when encouraged to do so. I suspended vitamins except for her milk
> thistle and multivitamin. It is also very hot here but she is in air
> conditioning...her temperature is elevated only slightly, 3-4 degrees.
>
> Any ideas? Anyone had similar reactions? Any other dogs on Anipryl and a
> thyroid medication? Please help as I am nervous about giving her the pill
> on Monday. I don't have the name of the medication with me, but I believe
> it starts with an 'S'. Thanks,
>
> Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, 8 yrs.+ (Here I had dese gud test
> results and now I'm sick!)
>
> jk@bradley.bradley.edu
>

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:54:59 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: jglosson@genevaonline.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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That's just wonderful! What an encouraging Cushing's doggie tale, and I'll bet
her black and silver coat is really trend setting!

Anne and Targa

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