CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 37
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Side effects of Anipryl
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
2) Golden diagnosed with Cushings
by "DMac" <dmckenzie@provide.net>
3) Re: Back on-line
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
4) Sunny Receives GOOD NEWS
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
5) Schonus update
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
6) Re: Sunny Receives GOOD NEWS
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
7) Re: Golden diagnosed with Cushings
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
8) Toby
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
9) Anipryl Source
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
10) Re: Toby
by DFRS2@aol.com
11) Re: Toby
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
12) Re: Anipryl Source
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
13) Re: Anipryl Source
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
14) Sunny's Good News!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
15) Test Results
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
16) Doggy Dictionary
by LittleLocc@aol.com
17) NEWBIE
by <loiskos@ix.netcom.com>
18) Meds Source
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
19) Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
by "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
20) Re: Meds Source
by Debthg@aol.com
21) NEWBIE
by Marge Gagliardi <anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us>
22) Sunny Receives Good News
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
23) Re: Anipryl Source
by DesignSue@aol.com
24) Re: NEWBIE
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
25) Re: Anipryl Source
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
26) Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
27) Re: NEWBIE
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
28) RE: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
by Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
29) Toby
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
30) Re: Anipryl Source
by "DMac" <dmckenzie@provide.net>
31) Re: Golden diagnosed with Cushings
by "DMac" <dmckenzie@provide.net>
32) Re: Test Results
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
33) Re: Toby
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
34) Living Love
by Danestuff@aol.com
35) Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
by Spot210@aol.com
36) Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc. (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
37) Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
38) Re: Anipryl Source
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
39) Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
by Debthg@aol.com
40) Help!
by DLowder25@aol.com
41) Re: Help!
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
42) Re: Help!
by CBABTPC@aol.com
43) Re: Help!
by CBABTPC@aol.com
44) Re: Anipryl Source
by DesignSue@aol.com
45) Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
46) RE: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
by Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
47) Re: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
48) Re: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
49) Question on Lysodren
by susan.farnsworth@reebok.com
50) Help!
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
51) vaccinations
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
52) Re: [MUFFIN] Fateful Decision RE: Neuter (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
53) Re: vaccinations and searching archives
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
54) Re: vaccinations and searching archives
by Glimpact@aol.com
55) Re: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
56) Re: vaccinations
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
57) Re: Question on Lysodren
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
58) Re: vaccinations
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
59) TX Lottery was: vaccinations
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
60) Re: vaccinations and searching archives
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
61) Re: vaccinations
by Glimpact@aol.com
62) Re: vaccinations
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
63) Re: [Muffin] Fateful Decision Re: Neuter (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
64) Re: vaccinations and searching archives
by Glimpact@aol.com
65) Re: vaccinations and searching archives
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
66) Sweetie--Update
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
67) Seizures (Was:Re: Help!)
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
68) Epilepsy help
by DLowder25@aol.com
69) Re: Sweetie--Update
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
70) Re: Surgery & Cushingnoid Dogs
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
71) Re: Golden diagnosed with Cushings
by DFRS2@aol.com
72) Re: Back on-line
by DFRS2@aol.com
73) Re: Test Results
by DFRS2@aol.com
74) Introduction
by "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
75) Re: Sweetie--Update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
76) Wild goose chases (was: Re: Sweetie--Update
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
77) Fateful decision to neuter
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
78) Re: vaccinations
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
79) Progress of Terrible Ted
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
80) Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
81) Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
82) Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
83) Chased the Goose
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
84) Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
85) Mactavish
by DLowder25@aol.com
86) Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
by "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
87) Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
by "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
88) Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
by MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
89) Pet Food & herpes
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
90) Re: Pet Food & herpes
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
91) Progress of Terrible Ted
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
92) Clea Update (adrenal tumor)
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
93) Re:Jesse's update
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
94) Re:Jesse's update
by CBABTPC@aol.com
95) Blood in Stools
by "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
96) Good News!
by DLowder25@aol.com
97) Re: The "Missing Link" supplement
by "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
98) Re: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
by LisaVann@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:57:02 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Side effects of Anipryl
Message-ID: <l03020900b197e49f0ac3@[206.153.79.194]>
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>Sweetie's test results came back Friday. She has been on Anipryl
for about
>4 months now. ALP went from 1500 to 264; ALT was 12 and is now 31; AKPH
>went from 983 to 264. VERY good!
>
>Vet also ran thryoid; .9 (1-5 normal). He gave me a throid medication
at
>half-strength, two pills daily. I gave her the first pill Friday with
>dinner. At 5:00 a.m. she awakened me as she threw up a considerable
>amount of yellow bile. Very alarming. Called vet Sat. a.m. and he said
not
>to give her another thyroid pill until Mon. a.m. She has been listless
and
>apathetic since she threw up, but she is eating well (!) and drinking
>water when encouraged to do so. I suspended vitamins except for her
milk
>thistle and multivitamin. It is also very hot here but she is in air
>conditioning...her temperature is elevated only slightly, 3-4 degrees.
>
>Any ideas? Anyone had similar reactions? Any other dogs on Anipryl and
a
>thyroid medication? Please help as I am nervous about giving her the
pill
>on Monday. I don't have the name of the medication with me, but I believe
>it starts with an 'S'. Thanks,
>
>Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, 8 yrs.+ (Here I had dese gud test
>results and now I'm sick!)
>
>jk@bradley.bradley.edu
We had problems with Penny being sick like that too and it turned out
that
the anipryl was supressing her too much and she had to go off it for about
a week and take 3 days of prednisone to bring her back to us.
She was vomiting and had some loose stools, also didn't care too much to
eat or do anything.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
in Michigan
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:50:22 -0400
From: "DMac" <dmckenzie@provide.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Golden diagnosed with Cushings
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Hi,
Am new to the list. My Higgens was just diagnosed with Pituitary based
Cushings a few weeks ago. He had elevated Alkaline Phosphatase for two
years, but due to lack of any symptoms and other normal reading, the vet
recommended nothing be done. When the last test showed his levels at
495, I asked about more testing. He still is asymptomatic, so I am hoping
that it is very early stage. The vet still indicates not to treat higgens.
Says
"If he were my dog, I would not treat at this point". I do not
feel
comfortable
not treating. I don't want him to start showing symptoms and then be too
late to treat.
Tomorrow, I have an appointment with a homeopathic vet who does
Chiropractic,
Accupuncture, Homeopathic, Herbs and Vitamins and regular Veterinary
methods. Am hoping to get the best of all worlds for treatment.
A few questions:
1. Is Anipryl that expensive - My vet says cost prohibitive for an 80
pound dog.
(Actually, I don't know if I care if that is the right treatment, but would
like to
know.)
2. I get the feeling most dogs tolerate the treatment pretty well other
than
some intestinal stuff when they first begin treatment.
3. Anyone with advice on Cushings, I would love to hear it.
4. Can I get a digest of this list ? How ?
Thanks to all...
Donna
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:04:46 -0500
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Back on-line
Message-ID: <05256616.0053154C.00@MTA-Austin2.tivoli.com>
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Where are you at in Texas? I am in the Austin area.
Doreen
DFRS2@aol.com on 05/29/98 09:26:01 PM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: Re: Back on-line
Doreen:
Welcome to Texas and back on-line.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:28:19 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sunny Receives GOOD NEWS
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980601152819.0075741c@email.uah.edu>
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>Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:28:29 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
>Subject: Sunny Receives GOOD NEWS
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>
> GOOD NEWS!!!!! GOOD NEWS!!!!! GOOD NEWS!!!
>
>
> Mummy and Daddy took me to my new vet this past Friday and he stuck
me
> -- TWICE! Then he went out this door and vanished. Mummy and
Daddy
> took me for a ride for awhile. I thought we were going home, but
we
> never went that way we drove around and visit someone's house.
Then,
> they took me back to that building. My Daddy had to pick me up
I
> wasn't going back in there. That is where they stick you and I
am not
> going back in there under my own power. It's not fair that I can
be
> picked up and taken in there. We went back and sat in the room
> outside the stick room. After we waited for awhile the woman came
out
> out and took me back in the room -- that is when I got stuck again.
> TWICE in one day. I hate it. The doctor rushed out of the room
and
> after only a little while he came back out to the room outside
with
> the soft seats and told my Mummy and Daddy that the test came in
good.
> My results were within the normal range. He said the pre-test
was
> only .1 higher than the normal, but he wasn't too worried because
the
> post was within normal range -- actually I think he said it was
smack
> dab in the middle! The only thing he did tell my mummy and daddy
that
> I don't like is that he wants me back in TWO WEEKS! My mummy and
> daddy smiled the rest of the day. Boy am I thirsty.
>
> We noticed that Sunny's water intake goes up following the ACTH
stim
> test and wondered if anyone else noticed it?
>
> We are to keep Sunny's Lysodren dose at 500 mg a week, down from
1500
> mg. She gets 250 mg on Monday and 250 mg on Thursday. She is
to take
> another course of Clavamox and we are to continue washing her feet.
>
> Sorry to continue on so, but GOOD NEWS is hard to contain.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Randy (Sunny's Daddy), Jackie (Sunny's Mummy), Me (Sunny), Saphir
> (Sunny's Cat Sister), and Sadie (Sunny's sister at the Rainbow
Bridge)
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:31:58 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Schonus update
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Linda,
Hope Schonus is feeling better. It tugs at our hearts that you
and he
have been through so many bad times. Hope things start looking up for both
of
you real soon.
Clea had a major setback, too, Thursday night (fine that morning).
After
a trip to the Vet Friday for bloodwork and fluids, and Pepto-Bismol all
weekend, she seems to be pulling out of it today. At least, she's able
to walk
a little now and her appetite has returned.
Hugs to you, Schonus, and all owners and their Cushings pups fighting
desparately to get this roller coaster ride to stop.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:23:41 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sunny Receives GOOD NEWS
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I can not tell you how happy I am to hear the good news, finally!!!
I'm sure that this is a great relief, after all the anquish.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:59:44 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Golden diagnosed with Cushings
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Hi, Donna, welcome to the list (and sorry you have to be here too.)
I would strongly advise starting treatment before symptoms develop, based
on my own experience. (You know what that means--my advice is "for
what
it's worth." (free) How old is your dog?
I think my 14 year-old had Cushings for at least two years before she
was
diagnosed. She really went downhill and I wish I had known about the
disease and started treatment sooner. It's a degnerative disease, so you
get gradual changes that can seem like just signs of aging. But it gets
worse and worse if nothing is done.
I thought Anipryl was cost-prohibitive for my dog, too. But after a couple
months of watching her get weaker and more listless, I realized that I'd
pay anything I could to get her better. (I started on Lysodren and my dog
respondd to that, but it's kinda toxic.)
This list is a great resource, you'll benefit from lots of people's
experiences, so you can make an informed decision.
Susan
>Am new to the list. My Higgens was just diagnosed with Pituitary
based
>Cushings a few weeks ago. He had elevated Alkaline Phosphatase for
two
>years, but due to lack of any symptoms and other normal reading, the
vet
>recommended nothing be done. When the last test showed his levels at
>495, I asked about more testing. He still is asymptomatic, so I am
hoping
>that it is very early stage. The vet still indicates not to treat higgens.
> Says
>"If he were my dog, I would not treat at this point". I do
not feel
>comfortable
>not treating. I don't want him to start showing symptoms and then be
too
>late to treat.
>
>Tomorrow, I have an appointment with a homeopathic vet who does
>Chiropractic,
>Accupuncture, Homeopathic, Herbs and Vitamins and regular Veterinary
>methods. Am hoping to get the best of all worlds for treatment.
>
>A few questions:
>1. Is Anipryl that expensive - My vet says cost prohibitive for an
80
>pound dog.
>(Actually, I don't know if I care if that is the right treatment, but
would
>like to
>know.)
>2. I get the feeling most dogs tolerate the treatment pretty well other
>than
>some intestinal stuff when they first begin treatment.
>3. Anyone with advice on Cushings, I would love to hear it.
>4. Can I get a digest of this list ? How ?
>
>Thanks to all...
>
>Donna
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas
http://www.sirius.com/~hautlynx/
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:43:30 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Toby
Message-ID: <9806011143.ZM16642@dvorak.amd.com>
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I've been off and on for a while, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet.
Please welcome Toby. He's a (today) 13 week old Pembroke Welsh Corgi.
Sable
and quite handsome, if we do say so. Bonnie was not real fond of him at
first,
but they now play together and have lots of fun. She's really perked up
a lot,
considering how glum she seemed after Ivan died. He's brought joy and
happiness to the entire household.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:51:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Anipryl Source
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Hi everyone! I haven't posted in quite a while. Dudley seems to be
doing
just find on Anipryl. He hasn't been rechecked at the vet yet. I just
got a prescription for Anipryl from my vet for a 2 month supply and I found
a source in Kansas which is a lot cheaper. At the vet we were paying $78.50
for 30 tablets (30mg). From Lambriar we only pay $62.50 and no tax added!
I'm sure that they probably have other medication available. If anyone
is
interested in checking them out its called Lambriar Animal Health Care
100 Pine St. Mahaska KS 66955. Their phone is #1-800-344-6337 and tell
them
Jan Glover sent you!!
I think my vet will be rechecking Dudley in two months. His water intake
is
fine. Dudley has always had a big appetite but he only gets 2 cups of kibble
in the am and pm. I don't think I could ever free feed him.
Take care everyone
Jan Glover, Seattle WA
Dudley, my Cushings dog
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:54:34 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Toby
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Dillon:
It is good to hear from you again. I know you are enjoying your new baby.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:26:05 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Toby
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980601202605.0074b30c@email.uah.edu>
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Welcome Toby, we know that you will be loved by your new family and Ivan
will always be there to watch over you, glad you have him Dillon and thanks
for the note regarding Sunny, we really appreciate it. Lots of LOVE to the
new baby, Toby from SUNNY and SAPHIR, Jackie and Randy and of course SADIE
in Rainbow Heaven.
At 11:43 AM 6/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I've been off and on for a while, so I'm not sure if this has been posted
yet.
>
>Please welcome Toby. He's a (today) 13 week old Pembroke Welsh Corgi.
Sable
>and quite handsome, if we do say so. Bonnie was not real fond of him
at first,
>but they now play together and have lots of fun. She's really perked
up a lot,
>considering how glum she seemed after Ivan died. He's brought joy and
>happiness to the entire household.
>
>
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon.pyron@amd.com
>Autocross - low speed and over the edge
>Road racing - high speed and at the edge
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:48:19 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Source
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Hello Jan, what do you mean by "Free Feeding" I am not familiar
with that
phrase. Jackie
At 01:51 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi everyone! I haven't posted in quite a while. Dudley seems to be
doing
>just find on Anipryl. He hasn't been rechecked at the vet yet. I just
>got a prescription for Anipryl from my vet for a 2 month supply and
I found
>a source in Kansas which is a lot cheaper. At the vet we were paying
$78.50
>for 30 tablets (30mg). From Lambriar we only pay $62.50 and no tax
added!
>I'm sure that they probably have other medication available. If anyone
is
>interested in checking them out its called Lambriar Animal Health Care
>100 Pine St. Mahaska KS 66955. Their phone is #1-800-344-6337 and tell
them
>Jan Glover sent you!!
>
>I think my vet will be rechecking Dudley in two months. His water intake
is
>fine. Dudley has always had a big appetite but he only gets 2 cups
of kibble
>in the am and pm. I don't think I could ever free feed him.
>
>Take care everyone
>
>Jan Glover, Seattle WA
>Dudley, my Cushings dog
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:48:07 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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"Free Feeding" is putting the food down and letting the dog
eat it when and as
he/she pleases. With Corgis, that means NOW! Also seems to apply to most
of
the Cushnoids I know. In addition, it presents certain problems when you
have
more than one dog.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 19:01:11 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sunny's Good News!
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Jackie & family....
Just finished reading your post with tears of happiness in my eyes!!
It's posts like yours that keep the faith in this house!!
In regards to your question about increased water intake after the ACTH
test...Schonus' water intake goes crazy!! But it subsides within the
next couple of days.
Atta Girl Sunny!!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 19:11:38 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Subject: Test Results
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Hi Everyone...
We got Schonus's ACTH test results back last Friday....not good. His
post count was higher than it has ever been!! We're now up to 3,000
mgs. a week on Lysodren starting this Wednesday. My Vet "seems to
think" that Schonus might becoming tolerant to the Lysodren. If that
turns out to be true, what next? His thyroid test was also done and it
came back at the lower end of normal. Much improved since his first
one.
I've got just one question...am I the only one still measuring daily
water intake? Or is that only to be done during the "loading phase"?
I
thought that was a sign if it decreased of improvement? Talk about
being confused!!!
Our thanx to everyone for their words of encouragement....you're right,
Dillon.....I'm afraid to look down!!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:36:45 EDT
From: LittleLocc@aol.com
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Subject: Doggy Dictionary
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** DOGGY DICTIONARY **
LEASH: A strap which attaches to your collar, enabling you to lead
your person where you want him/her to go.
DOG BED: any soft, clean surface, such as the white bedspread in the
guest room or the newly upholstered couch in the living room.
DROOL: Is what you do when your persons have food and you don't. To do
this properly you must sit as close as you can and look sad and let
the drool fall to the floor, or better yet, on their laps.
SNIFF: A social custom to use when you greet other dogs. Place your
nose as close as you can to the other dog s rear end and inhale
deeply, repeat several times, or until your person makes you stop.
GARBAGE CAN: A container which your neighbors put out once a week to
test your ingenuity. You must stand on your hind legs and try to push
the lid off with your nose. If you do it right you are rewarded with
margarine wrappers to shred, beef bones to consume and moldy crusts
of bread.
BICYCLES: Two-wheeled exercise machines, invented for dogs to control
body fat. To get maximum aerobic benefit, you must hide behind a bush
and dash out, bark loudly and run alongside for a few yards; the
person then swerves and falls into the bushes, and you prance away.
DEAFNESS: This is a malady which affects dogs when their person want
them in and they want to stay out. Symptoms include staring blankly at
the person, then running in the opposite direction, or lying down.
THUNDER: This is a signal that the world is coming to an end. Humans
remain amazingly calm during thunderstorms, so it is necessary to warn
them of the danger by trembling uncontrollably, panting, rolling your
eyes wildly, and following at their heels.
WASTEBASKET: This is a dog toy filled with paper, envelopes, and old
candy wrapper. When you get bored, turn over the basket and strew the
papers all over the house until your person comes home
SOFAS: Are to dogs like napkins are to people. After eating it is
polite to run up and down the front of the sofa and wipe your whiskers
clean.
BATH: This is a process by which the humans drench the floor, walls
and themselves. You can help by shaking vigorously and frequently.
LEAN: Every good dogs's response to the command "sit !", especially
if your person is dressed for an evening out. Incredibly effective
before black-tie events.
BUMP: The best way to get your human's attention when they are
drinking a fresh cup of coffee or tea.
GOOSE BUMP: A maneuver to use as a last resort when the Regular Bump
doesn't get the attention you require.....especially effective when
combined with The Sniff. See above.
LOVE: Is a feeling of intense affection, given freely and without
restriction. The best way you can show your love is to wag your tail.
If you're lucky, a human will love you in return.
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 19:56:28 -0400
From: <loiskos@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Cushing's Disease" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: NEWBIE
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HIYA!
I'm a newbie. Duffy Dog, a 13-1/2 year old Maltese was diagnosed with
Cushing's just over a year ago. Had pot belly, was drinking a lot,
panting -- but I did not suspect until his torn ligament sent us to major
blood tests before surgery. Didn't help when vet didn't like his itchy
spots, and for first time in his life gave him a cortisone shot! Caused
a bit of difficulty with diagnosis, becuse we had to wait for the
injected cortisone to leave his system to be sure of the Cushing's.
He's in the hands of an excellent dermatologist very knowledgeable -- and
I've tested him with MANY questions from your past archives.
Duffy did his loading dose with Lysodren easily, is now on 250mg Mon,
Wed, and Saturday. He's become too smart about what's inside the liver
sausage or chicken or cream cheese, however. I'm running out of options
for masking his pills!
Duffy's spinal hair fell out, but grew back thinner and coarser. His pto
belly went awy, and he's now back to his usual 16 lbs instead of 19. he
still dirnks LONG drinks too often, but we've monitored his intake, and
it's barely above normal. His leg, by the way, is fine -- for now.
Waiting for the arthritis to set in, however. Very quickly, he also lost
quite a bit of eyesight and was already beocming a bit deaf before the
Cushing's.
Duffy's been through conguntivitis, and is on his second strange skin
infection -- both the result of his weakened immune system. He still
pants some, sleeps fitfully/breathing heavily. He "loses it"
soemtimes,
staring at walls, getting lost in corners, and just "zones" every
now and
then.
And of course he's lost most of his potty training!
My biggest concern has been his change of behavior. From a slightly
feisty talker who loved every stranger, he's become a untrusting
growler/snapper/even biter. From a model at the groomer and boarding
kennel, he's beligerent and bit his groomer a few weeks ago. Now, I go
in with him for a time-certain appointment -- and help put on the muzzle.
Needless to say, my heart is in my throat to see him this way.
I'm sorry for the long beginner story, but I want you to know Duffy and
me -- and to ask if anyoneelse has experienced the negative change in
behavior. Vet's giving him amytriptiline -- people-drug "trips"
,
anti-depressant -- and it helps, but I hate the idea of his taking such
a
drug.
Anyhoo -- we're thrilled to have found this site, and highly recommend
that other newbies read the entire archives, like I did, for some
terrific insights. It's good to be here, and I promise not to be wordy
in the future.
LOIS and DUFFY
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:15:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Meds Source
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Hi again, I just I'd let you all know that Lambriar Animal Health Care
has
a web page at www.lambriarvet.com. You can order one of there catalog on-line,
they seem to carry a lot of stuff. The usual disclaimers apply, I have
no
connection with them other than ordering my Anipryl from them. I ordered
the Anipryl today and they said I should get it on Wednesday, maybe even
tomorrow, but most likely Wednesday. Fast people!!
Jan Glover, Seattle, WA
Dudley, my Cushings dog
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:23:00 -0500
From: "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
To: <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
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Just a few questions this time around. What does loading dose or loading
cycle mean? How much is too much water for a 20 lb dog? Someone asked
me
what type of Cushing's Punkin has; don't tell me there's more than one type
of this god-awful disease around! I'm waiting for Punkin's vet to send
me
her file on Punkin with regard to her Cushing's so some of these questions
may be answered there but until then...
So glad to hear happy news for Sunny! You take the good where you find
it
and celebrate it. I'll keep all of our "not as well as we'd like them
to
be" babies in my thoughts. All of this sounds like such an uphill
battle,
I'm glad to have others out there that understand!
Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com
Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:39:54 EDT
From: Debthg@aol.com
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Subject: Re: Meds Source
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Jan,
Thanks a lot for the info and web site on the meds!
Debby and Buddy
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:49:28 -0700
From: Marge Gagliardi <anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: NEWBIE
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Hi Everyone!
I'm posting for the 1st time though I've been lurking for a few weeks.
Jude, our soon-to-be 14 yr. old Silky Terrier was diagnosed with
Cushing's just over a year ago. He is blind, deaf and incontinent but
other than that, he's great. I'm an optimist! As I read Lois' post, it
sounded so much like Jude, though he isn't grumpy and will only bite if
one has food in their hand and offers it to him. He started on lysodren
but for the last few months has been on anipryl. When he first started
anipryl his dosage was 5mg. but recently our vet upped his dosage to 10
mg. and he seems to be maintaining.
I'm glad I've found this forum as I have been reading the posts and
archives, I've learned so much.
Marge - anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:06:06 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sunny Receives Good News
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Sunny,
Very happy to hear your good news! Your mummy & daddy weren't
alone--it
put a smile on our faces, too.
You should write a book about your experiences. You're very talented.
And, you're so lucky to get your feet massaged every day!
I wish *somebody* would think of doing that for me!!
Clea
> We noticed that Sunny's water intake goes up following the ACTH
stim test
> and wondered if anyone else noticed it?
Yes, our dogs are very thirsty after ACTH stim. and low dose dex. tests.
It's
temporary and usually lasts 1 day.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:44:46 EDT
From: DesignSue@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Source
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Thanks for the info about your source of Anipryl. We are paying $98/mo
for 30
tablets of 30 mg each. That's alot of money. I really appreciate your help
and
will contact them to see if someone here in Michigan can order from them.
Thanks again!
Susan and Spenser (standard poodle, diagnosed Nov. 97).
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 06:03:36 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: NEWBIE
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>HIYA!
>I'm a newbie. Duffy Dog, a 13-1/2 year old Maltese was diagnosed with
>Cushing's just over a year ago. Had pot belly, was drinking a lot,
>panting -- but I did not suspect until his torn ligament sent us to
major
>blood tests before surgery. Didn't help when vet didn't like his itchy
>spots, and for first time in his life gave him a cortisone shot! Caused
>a bit of difficulty with diagnosis, becuse we had to wait for the
>injected cortisone to leave his system to be sure of the Cushing's.
>He's in the hands of an excellent dermatologist very knowledgeable --
and
>I've tested him with MANY questions from your past archives.
>Duffy did his loading dose with Lysodren easily, is now on 250mg Mon,
>Wed, and Saturday. He's become too smart about what's inside the liver
>sausage or chicken or cream cheese, however. I'm running out of options
>for masking his pills!
>Duffy's spinal hair fell out, but grew back thinner and coarser. His
pto
>belly went awy, and he's now back to his usual 16 lbs instead of 19.
he
>still dirnks LONG drinks too often, but we've monitored his intake,
and
>it's barely above normal. His leg, by the way, is fine -- for now.
>Waiting for the arthritis to set in, however. Very quickly, he also
lost
>quite a bit of eyesight and was already beocming a bit deaf before the
>Cushing's.
>Duffy's been through conguntivitis, and is on his second strange skin
>infection -- both the result of his weakened immune system. He still
>pants some, sleeps fitfully/breathing heavily. He "loses it"
soemtimes,
>staring at walls, getting lost in corners, and just "zones"
every now and
>then.
>And of course he's lost most of his potty training!
>My biggest concern has been his change of behavior. From a slightly
>feisty talker who loved every stranger, he's become a untrusting
>growler/snapper/even biter. From a model at the groomer and boarding
>kennel, he's beligerent and bit his groomer a few weeks ago. Now, I
go
>in with him for a time-certain appointment -- and help put on the muzzle.
> Needless to say, my heart is in my throat to see him this way.
>I'm sorry for the long beginner story, but I want you to know Duffy
and
>me -- and to ask if anyoneelse has experienced the negative change in
>behavior. Vet's giving him amytriptiline -- people-drug "trips"
,
>anti-depressant -- and it helps, but I hate the idea of his taking such
a
>drug.
>Anyhoo -- we're thrilled to have found this site, and highly recommend
>that other newbies read the entire archives, like I did, for some
>terrific insights. It's good to be here, and I promise not to be wordy
>in the future.
>
>LOIS and DUFFY
I have a Duffy too! He is a 9 year ol black and tan dachshund. My Penny
is
the one in our house with Cushing's. She is on anipryl and has been on it
since last September. She just passed her 1 year anniversary of her
diagnosis in March and has had her ups and downs too. She was on lysodren
to start out with but was sensitive to it and had to start out at half dose
and work up to the full dose.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
in Michigan
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 06:09:44 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Source
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>Thanks for the info about your source of Anipryl. We are paying $98/mo
for 30
>tablets of 30 mg each. That's alot of money. I really appreciate your
help and
>will contact them to see if someone here in Michigan can order from
them.
>Thanks again!
>
>Susan and Spenser (standard poodle, diagnosed Nov. 97).
Hey Susan! Where in Michigan are you? We are near Petoskey.We pay $89
for
30- 30 mg tablets at our vet.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
in Michigan
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:07:21 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
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The loading phase for Lysodren is an initial, high dosage phase which
is
intended to dramatically reduce the output from the adrenal glands. For
Ivan,
this was usually (he did three of them) 500mg BID for anywhere from 5 (the
last
two, which were call "controlled loads") to N days. His first
loading dose ran
until he refused food, at which point he was given a Prednisone and watched
carefully. About a week later, an ACTH stim test was done that showed him
in
pretty good shape and he went to a maintenance dose (that changed from time
to
time).
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:09:21 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: NEWBIE
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A soon to be Happy Barkday to Jude, in beautiful Ridgecrest (I've been
there
:-)
He certainly has some loving people surrounding him and caring for and
about
him.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:45:05 -0600
From: Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
Message-ID: <71EF2C533A9BD11187FF006097DF4008512F98@ntsrv004.corp.novatel.ca>
I have a question regarding Anipryl dosages. Much of what I've read
on this
list seems to talk about 30 mg doses, but I'm not sure what size dog that
pertains to, as I am new to this list. My dog, who I suspect is Cushinoid,
weighs about 15 pounds ....
Any ideas of potential dosage?
Thanks very much,
Jude
Jude Fine
Senior Canine Rescue Society
jfine@novatel.ca; olddoglady@writeme.com
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/9703/
"Hug an Old Dog Today"
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:33:47 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Toby
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Dillon,
What?! You didn't bring home the whole litter?!!
We're very happy for you. Congratulations. "Toby" is
a really fine name.
(Did he pick you out from the crowd or did you choose him?)
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:54:15 -0400
From: "DMac" <dmckenzie@provide.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Anipryl Source
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Can you tell me the weight of your dog ?
Thanks....
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> From: DesignSue@aol.com
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Anipryl Source
> Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 11:44 PM
>
> Thanks for the info about your source of Anipryl. We are paying $98/mo
for 30
> tablets of 30 mg each. That's alot of money. I really appreciate your
help and
> will contact them to see if someone here in Michigan can order from
them.
> Thanks again!
>
> Susan and Spenser (standard poodle, diagnosed Nov. 97).
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:55 -0400
From: "DMac" <dmckenzie@provide.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Golden diagnosed with Cushings
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Susan,
Thanks for the response. Higgens will be 10 at the end of the month.
Is anyone out there doing any Holistic treatments for their dogs ?
Donna
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> From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Golden diagnosed with Cushings
> Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 10:59 AM
>
> Hi, Donna, welcome to the list (and sorry you have to be here too.)
>
> I would strongly advise starting treatment before symptoms develop,
based
> on my own experience. (You know what that means--my advice is "for
what
> it's worth." (free) How old is your dog?
>
SNIP
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:03:33 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Test Results
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>Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:09:06 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Test Results
>
>
>
> As usual I can not reply directly but must go through my wife
(Jackie)
>to post to the cushings net (that is no fault of Leslie it is my on-site
>computer people. My net at work is so large that I have a receiving
and
sending
>address, so the software will not accept two for one person - to cut
it
short I
>would rather receive than send).
>
> We still measure Sunny's water intake and it is used as an indices
when
>something is wrong. That is how we picked up on when Sunny was not
doing
well.
>Her water intake jumped 10 to 20 ounces more a day. Dr. Gorman, our
new vet,
>listened and looked at Sunny's throat it was close to Strep throat.
So the
>water intake is useful for indicating other problems. I know it is
difficult
>with more than one animal to monitor the water, but I personally think
it is
>worth while. If there were a lot of animals in the house I don't know
what I
>would do.
>
>Randy (Sunny's Daddy), Jackie (Sunny's Mummy), Saphir (Cat-Sister),
SUNNY,
Sadie
>(Sister at the Rainbow Bridge)
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Test Results
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 6/1/98 7:11 PM
>
>
>Hi Everyone...
>
>We got Schonus's ACTH test results back last Friday....not good. His
>post count was higher than it has ever been!! We're now up to 3,000
>mgs. a week on Lysodren starting this Wednesday. My Vet "seems
to
>think" that Schonus might becoming tolerant to the Lysodren. If
that
>turns out to be true, what next? His thyroid test was also done and
it
>came back at the lower end of normal. Much improved since his first
>one.
>
>I've got just one question...am I the only one still measuring daily
>water intake? Or is that only to be done during the "loading phase"?
I
>thought that was a sign if it decreased of improvement? Talk about
>being confused!!!
>
>Our thanx to everyone for their words of encouragement....you're right,
>Dillon.....I'm afraid to look down!!
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
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worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:00:55 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Toby
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On Jun 2, 11:33am, Tom White wrote:
> Subject: Toby
> Dillon,
>
> What?! You didn't bring home the whole litter?!!
You think we didn't consider it? Man, I can just see six little poop
machines
out back. And poor Bonnie :-)
>
> We're very happy for you. Congratulations. "Toby"
is a really fine
name.
> (Did he pick you out from the crowd or did you choose him?)
Of course he picked us. Isn't that the way it always works?
> Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> trw@virginia.edu
>-- End of excerpt from Tom White
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:33:03 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Living Love
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Forwarded with permission -- get your tissues out before reading.
Jackie
~~~~~~~~~~~~
---------Subject: A LIVING LOVE
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 8:02 PM
A LIVING LOVE
If you ever love an animal, there are three days in your life you will
always remember . . .
The first is a day, blessed with happiness, when you bring home your
young new friend. You may have spent weeks deciding on a breed. You may
have asked numerous opinions of many vets, or done long research in finding
a breeder. Or, perhaps in a fleeting moment, you may have just chosen
that silly looking mutt in a shelter -- simply because something in its
eyes reached your heart. But when you bring that chosen pet home, and
watch it explore, and claim its special place in your hall or front room
-- and when you feel it brush against you for the first time -- it
instills a feeling of pure love you will carry with you through the many
years to come.
The second day will occur eight or nine or ten years later. It will
be a
day like any other. Routine and unexceptional. But, for a surprising
instant, you will look at your longtime friend and see age where you
once saw youth. You will see slow deliberate steps where you once saw
energy. And you will see sleep when you once saw activity. So you will
begin to adjust your friend's diet -- and you may add a pill or two to
her food. And you may feel a growing fear deep within yourself, which
bodes of a coming emptiness. And you will feel this uneasy feeling, on
and off, until the third day finally arrives.
And on this day -- if your friend and whatever higher being you believe
in have not decided for you, then you will be faced with making a
decision of your own -- on behalf of your lifelong friend, and with the
guidance of your own deepest Spirit. But whichever way your friend
eventually leaves you -- you will feel as alone as a single star in the
dark night.
If you are wise, you will let the tears flow as freely and as often
as
they must. And if you are typical, you will find that not many in your
circle of family or friends will be able to understand your grief, or
comfort you.
But if you are true to the love of the pet you cherished through the
many joy-filled years, you may find that a soul -- a bit smaller in size
than your own -- seems to walk with you, at times, during the lonely
days to come.
And at moments when you least expect anything out of the ordinary to
happen, you may feel something brush against your leg -- very, very
lightly.
And looking down at the place where your dear, perhaps dearest, friend
used to lie -- you will remember those three significant days. The
memory will most likely to be painful, and leave an ache in your heart.
As time passes the ache will come and go as if it has a life of its own.
You will both reject it and it, and it may confuse you. If you reject
it,
it will depress you. If you embrace it, it will deepen you. Either way,
it will still be an ache.
But there will be, I assure you, a fourth day when -- along with the
memory of your pet -- and piercing through the heaviness in your heart
-- there will come a realization that belongs only to you. It will be
as unique and strong as our relationship with each animal we have
loved, and lost. This realization takes the form of a Living Love --
like the heavenly scent of a rose that remains after
the petals have wilted, this Love will remain and grow -- and be there
for us to remember. It is a love we have earned. It is the legacy our
pets leave us when they go. And it is a gift we may keep with us as long
as we live. It is a Love which is ours alone. And until we ourselves
leave, perhaps to join our Beloved Pets -- it is a Love we will always
possess.
(by Martin Scot Kosins)
--
"The great pleasure of a dog is that you make a fool of yourself
with
her and not only will she not scold you, she will make a fool of herself
too." - Samuel Butler
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:12:02 EDT
From: Spot210@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
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In a message dated 98-06-02 10:53:00 EDT, you write:
<< I have a question regarding Anipryl dosages. Much of what I've
read on
this
list seems to talk about 30 mg doses, but I'm not sure what size dog that
pertains to, as I am new to this list. My dog, who I suspect is Cushinoid,
weighs about 15 pounds ....
Any ideas of potential dosage?
Thanks very much,
Jude
Jude Fine
Senior Canine Rescue Society
jfine@novatel.ca; olddoglady@writeme.com
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/9703/
"Hug an Old Dog Today"
>>
My dog is 25 lbs. and takes 15mg of Anipryl each day.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:13:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc. (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@dev.tivoli.com
Hi Michelle. My vet said that normal water intake is one ounce of water
for each pound of dog. This may vary depending on climate, level of
exercise, etc. So if Punkin weighs 20 pounds, he should be averaging 20
ounces a day. One of the primary symptoms of Cushings is increased water
intake. As the disease is controlled with medication, the water intake
should drop to "normal". Before my Kelso was diagnosed, he was
drinking
50-60 ounces a day when he only weighs 23 pounds. After he went on
maintenance dosage of lysodren, this dropped to 20-30. Hope this helps.
Doreen
cdauten@planetkc.com on 06/01/98 08:23:00 PM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
Just a few questions this time around. What does loading dose or loading
cycle mean? How much is too much water for a 20 lb dog? Someone asked
me
what type of Cushing's Punkin has; don't tell me there's more than one type
of this god-awful disease around! I'm waiting for Punkin's vet to send
me
her file on Punkin with regard to her Cushing's so some of these questions
may be answered there but until then...
So glad to hear happy news for Sunny! You take the good where you find
it
and celebrate it. I'll keep all of our "not as well as we'd like them
to
be" babies in my thoughts. All of this sounds like such an uphill
battle,
I'm glad to have others out there that understand!
Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com
Thanks!
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:21:00 -0500
From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
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> list seems to talk about 30 mg doses, but I'm not sure what size
dog that
> pertains to, as I am new to this list. My dog, who I suspect is Cushinoid,
> weighs about 15 pounds ....
> Any ideas of potential dosage?
> Thanks very much,
>
Our dog is 18lbs and gets 1/2 of a 15mg tablet a day. The info with the
pills says the dosage is 1mg/kg of weight. So if your dog weighs 15 pounds
that's about 6.8 kg which would require about 1/2 of a 15mg tablet.
Rudy has a new "mineral deposit", scaliness in his ear. Does
anyone else
know about these and what to do?
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:25:29 -0500
From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Source
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Lambriar Animal Health Care
>100 Pine St. Mahaska KS 66955. Their phone is #1-800-344-6337
I talked to them and they quoted me 58.50 for the 15mg (it would save
us
$22 every 2 months).
It is ironic that Pfizer charges about the same for each size but vets
seem
to gouge the folks w/larger dogs. I will be interested if our vet will
meet the price or give us a script. I'll keep you posted.
Jody, Peg and Rudy
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:23:34 EDT
From: Debthg@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
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Jude,
Our dog weighs 14 lbs and is on 10mg of Anipryl once a day.
Debby
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:04:00 EDT
From: DLowder25@aol.com
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Help!
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I know this is not Cushings related but Mollie Bear and I have a friend
named Bonnie. Bonnie is a chocolate lab who had puppies 6 weeks ago and
now is
having seizures. So far only two (that we know of). Her calcium level
was
checked and is ok.
Is anyone familiar with this scenario? Can the hormones cause this kind
of
thing? I've never had puppies (you know what I mean) so I'm not familiar
with the problems that could be "common." I'm hoping this is
a temporary
thing. Bonnie is a sweetheart.
Any help or advice is appreciated. Thanks! Debbie
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:34:04 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Help!
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Hi Debbie. Bonnie could have epilepsy. My chocolate lab developed epilepsy
at 2 years of age. She should be checked by her vet and monitored as to
how
many seizures she has. She may have to be put on medication. Good luck.
Linda & C.B.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:02:22 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: DLowder25@aol.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Help!
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Debbie,
Targa, our lab mix had a series of 5 seizures over 4 days, just before
she was
diagnosed with Cushing's and Diabetes. They resolved on their own, were
unrelated to her diagnoses, and it's my understanding that many dogs can
have
a sort of "temporary" epilepsy for which no cause is ever found.
Having said
that, I know nothing about the influences that might be affecting a new
doggie
mom. I did find this link, and you may find some help there.
http://world.std.com/~tolenio/epilepsy.html
The seizures are terrifying to witness- I really feel for your friend!
Good luck wiith this,
Anne and Targa
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:18:47 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: DLowder25@aol.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Debbie,
Just had another thought. I was told that if the seizures went over a
minute
in duration- or occurred too often- I think several times a day, or continued
for longer than 5 days, that Targa would need some phenobarbital, or other
seizure controlling medication. This didn't happen in our case, but I have
a
friend whose bearded collie has had to take phenobarb periodically for bouts
of epilepsy. It is a disease that can be controlled if it comes down to
that.
We're keeping our fingers and paws crossed that it won't!
Anne and Targa
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:46:07 EDT
From: DesignSue@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Source
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I called up Lambriar and they will send me 30 mg tablets of Anipryl in
a pack
of 30 for $63.00 plus shipping ($2.00). I called my vet and they gave me
a
prescription. I was paying $98.00/mo. You'd think the vet would offer to
met
the price rather than lose the sale entirely, but they didn't. I am happy
to
have the prescription though as it will save quite a bit. My dog,
incidentally, is 70 lbs.
Susan G. (and Spenser)
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:45:39 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: "cushings" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>,
"muffin" <muffin@esosoft.com>
Subject: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
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I am sending this to both cushings & diabetes lists for some feedback.
=
I am still suspicious that Gretle's (mini-dachshund) diabetes & cushings
=
is hormonal related re some reproductive apparatus malfunctions which =
may resolve but the weight of opinion has been to neuter. Gretle had a
=
major back operation when young and knows what to expect when left at =
the Vet. She does not take well to staying even though everyone says =
how good she is, etc. I see the difference with the rubbed spot on her
=
nose and the way she eats, etc. and know the vet office is very =
traumatic for her.
The operation would be in the morning and they would keep her =
overnight. Is there any feeling about the risk of me taking her home in
=
the evening rather than letting her stay overnight, assuming the =
operation went well and no complications came up? I want to minimize =
the trauma but be safe as I can. I expect that the Vet is following =
normal procedure to avoid an unexpected complication but I want to make
=
a decision based on Gretle as an individual. To help me with the =
decision, I am looking for some real life experience following an =
operation before I discuss this some more with my Vet. Gretle has no =
cushings symptoms and her diabetes has been good except for the last 4 =
days with more 200 bgs than I want. I raised her insulin today to 2 1/2
=
from 2 units.
chester
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:57:18 -0600
From: Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
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Hi Chester,
I have had numerous animals go through surgery ... one at the age of 14,
heart
murmur and all .... I think if you are able to recognize the signs of shock,
and
able to monitor her temperature through the night, those, to me, would be
the
most important things to watch for. I am in total agreement that in *most*
cases, an animal will be much more comfortable, and less stressed, at home.
Jude
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:19:59 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, "muffin" <muffin@esosoft.com>
Subject: Re: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
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How old is she? I suspect that for an older dog (Ivan was 12 1/2 when
he had
his last surgery), keeping her overnight falls into the category of
"justifiable paranoia". But we brought both Bonnie and Molly
home the evening
after the surgery (spay) with no ill effects. Personally, I'd leave it
up to
the vet, but make sure that you, at the very least, visit her in the evening
(maybe you can even come in after hours for a few minutes to calm her a
little).
Love to all, I hope everything turns out for the best.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:40:32 -0500
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
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My experience with dental surgery is that the vet will let me take Kelso
home is there are no complications. I think that he agrees that it it much
less stressful to be at home. Kelso has both stayed and went home after
operations. You may also want to consider your stress level. Will you
know what to look for or do if there is a problem? Be sure to get very
specific instructions as what to look for. Will there be someone at the
vet overnight---i.e. is it considered an ICU unit where there is 24 hour
observation? When Kelso had to stay, there was 24 hour observation and
it
made me feel better knowing that if there was a complication, it would be
immediately dealt with. If there is not 24 hour observation, then I would
definitely not want Kelso to stay since I would want to be observing him
and I would make sure that a vet was immediately accessable at 2 in the
morning. Does that make sense? Please also check with your vet about
giving Gretle pred during and after the surgery period to offset the stress
related to Cushings. Good luck on your decision and let us know what
happens.
Doreen
chesterb@penn.com on 06/03/98 10:45:39 AM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, muffin@esosoft.com
cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
I am sending this to both cushings & diabetes lists for some feedback.
I
am still suspicious that Gretle's (mini-dachshund) diabetes & cushings
is hormonal related re some reproductive apparatus malfunctions which
may resolve but the weight of opinion has been to neuter. Gretle had
a
major back operation when young and knows what to expect when left at
the Vet. She does not take well to staying even though everyone says
how good she is, etc. I see the difference with the rubbed spot on
her
nose and the way she eats, etc. and know the vet office is very
traumatic for her. The operation would be in the morning and they would
keep her overnight. Is there any feeling about the risk of me taking
her home in the evening rather than letting her stay overnight,
assuming the operation went well and no complications came up? I want
to minimize the trauma but be safe as I can. I expect that the Vet
is
following normal procedure to avoid an unexpected complication but I
want to make a decision based on Gretle as an individual. To help me
with the decision, I am looking for some real life experience following
an operation before I discuss this some more with my Vet. Gretle has
no cushings symptoms and her diabetes has been good except for the last
4 days with more 200 bgs than I want. I raised her insulin today to
2
1/2 from 2 units.
chester
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I am sending this to both cushings
&
diabetes lists for some feedback. I am still suspicious that Gretle's
(mini-dachshund) diabetes & cushings is hormonal related re some
reproductive apparatus malfunctions which may resolve but the weight of
opinion has been to neuter. Gretle had a major back operation
when
young and knows what to expect when left at the Vet. She does
not
take well to staying even though everyone says how good she is, etc.
I see the difference with the rubbed spot on her nose and the way she eats,
etc. and know the vet office
is very traumatic for her.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>
The operation would be
in the morning and they would keep her overnight. Is there any
feeling about the risk of me taking her home in the evening rather than
letting her stay overnight, assuming the operation went well and no
complications came up? I want to minimize the trauma but be safe
as I
can. I expect that the Vet is following normal procedure to avoid
an
unexpected complication but I want to make a decision based on Gretle as
an
individual. To help me with the decision, I am looking for some
real
life experience following an operation before I discuss this some more with
my Vet. Gretle has no cushings symptoms and her diabetes has been
good except for the last 4 days with more 200 bgs than I want.
I
raised her insulin today to 2 1/2 from 2
units.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:44:21 -0400
From: susan.farnsworth@reebok.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Question on Lysodren
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I have been subscrbing here for a couple of weeks now, although we found
the web site back in January when our Vet first mentioned Cushings as a
diagnosis for our 9.5 yr Rottweiler x Terrier (60 lbs), Casey. I read all
of the archives - they were so helpful in gathering information about the
disease and also about the treatment options. We tried Anipryl for 3
months but did not have any reduction in symptoms (which for Casey has only
been increased water intake, the associated need to piddle constantly and
hair loss). We did a loading phase of Lysodren about 2 weeks ago and
everything went well until after the ATCH Stim test. Evidently after the
test her cortisol level dipped down very low so we've been on the
prednisone to bring it back a liitle. Casey is scheduled for anothet ACTH
test on Monday and the Vet told me that unless the reading is real high
again, she is going to start Casey on the maintenance dose (2x per week).
It is my understanding that the loading phase of the lysodren goes in
and
stops the adrenal gland from producing cortisol by shrinking the gland.
If
that is true, what is the purpose of the maintenance dose? Not that I am
questioning whether to give it, I just don't understand what it is suppose
to do. Also, once on the maintenance dose, does the threat of side effects
(ie vomiting, diarrhea, lethary) subside or remain? The problem we had
with her after the ATCH test really scared me - Casey obviously felt
terrible - she wouldn't even get up, never mind eat or drink (we ended up
back at the vet for a IV shot of the prednisone) - and of course this was
the Friday afternoon before Memorial Day weekend! I am hoping that this
situation will not be frequently repeated once we are on the maintenance
-
can anyone comment?
One thing I've noticed is that there seem to be a lot of the terrier
breed
on the list. Is Cushings a disease that Terriers are predisposed to?
I have followed all of your stories thru the archives and now daily.
The
support and collective knowledge of this group are a great resource!
Susan & "Casey"
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:59:20 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Help!
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Debbie,
After Clea had her puppies (3), she was really sick but no seizures.
We
took her to the emergency vet and it turned out that she had one more puppy
inside. She had a c-section to have it removed. The puppy, of course,
was
dead. The vet told us that if we had not caught this, her system would
have
been flooded with toxins from the decay of the unborn puppy. We don't know
whether she would have had seizures if we had delayed.
Your friend's Lab had her puppies six weeks ago, so the presence
of an
unborn puppy from that litter would probably have been discovered before
now.
But just thought we would tell you about Clea's experience in case it is
helpful.
Good luck to Bonnie in solving her problem.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:23:06 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: vaccinations
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Does anyone have experience with a Cushings dog re-exhibiting excessive
water drinking/panting/coughing/licking symptoms after receiving
vaccinations?
Puffin got a Bordetella vaccine 3 weeks ago and all the above have
surfaced. She's been on Lysodren for almost 3 years with good results.
Or is it just a coincidence that the symptoms showed up now?
Thanks for any input.
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:23:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Fateful Decision RE: Neuter (fwd)
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From: kayc <kayc@sunsix.infi.net>
To: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
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Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
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Hi Chester. I've always brought my cats home the day they were spayed.
I've never dealt with dogs. Also, the cats went in healthy - no
complications like Cushings of diabetes. Would there be someone at the
clinic during the night to watch Gretle? I'd want her where somone
could watch her.
Kay
[moderator's note: Kay is not on the cushing's list, so replies should
be
cc:'ed to her address as well.]
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:37:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccinations and searching archives
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I don't remember any specific mention of side effects of vaccinations
in
Cushinoid dogs, but there was previously a discussion of the pros and cons
on vaccinations on the list. See
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/digests/digest11.html and
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/digests/digest12.html
FYI, if you'd like to search the archives of the Cushing's list, one
easy
way to do so is to use http://www.altavista.digital.com/
In the AltaVista dialog box, type:
Cushing's Disease/Syndrome | Electronic Forum Digest +[the topic you want
to search for]
With any luck, we'll have an easier search engine built into the Cushing's
Web page soon.
-Leslie
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Sandy Mannix wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with a Cushings dog re-exhibiting excessive
> water drinking/panting/coughing/licking symptoms after receiving
> vaccinations?
>
> Puffin got a Bordetella vaccine 3 weeks ago and all the above have
> surfaced. She's been on Lysodren for almost 3 years with good results.
>
> Or is it just a coincidence that the symptoms showed up now?
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Sandy & Puffin
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:01:17 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccinations and searching archives
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ANIMAL VACCINES:
Vaccination in animals
http://www.atvetmed.com - Dr. Susan Wynn discussion
http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/ivn/animals.htm
Abbey wood publishing http://members.aol.com/abywood/www/art_toc.htm
Cyberpet http://cyberpet.com/cyberdog/articles/health/vaccin.htm
They Shoot Horses but Vaccinate dogs (and children)
http://www.positivehealth.com/Bakissue/horses.htm
O'Driscoll debate http://members.aol.com/k9health/wwwk9h/vac_toc.htm
Vaccines and Sarcomas: http://www.avma.org/vafstf/ownbroch.html
The Dangers of Vaccinations, and the Advantages of Nosodes for Disease
Prevention http://www.abap.org/nosodes.htm
Homeopath doctor http://www.naturalholistic.com/handouts/hpmaster.htm
Loops D.V.M. http://www.gld.com/~shrado/loops.htm
Mehan DVM http://www.abap.org/nosodes.htm
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/animals.htm#Vaccination
Vaccine associated sarcoma http://www.avma.org/vafstf/default.htm
Also, Dr. Jean Dodds who is a well-known immunologist, suggests talking
to
your vet about vaccinating older dogs and those whose immune systems are
compromised. Some of the initiators of life-threatening autoimmune bleeding
disorders have been modified-live vaccinations.
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:01:48 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
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One thing our vet told us with having a Cushings Pup is to put them on
Antibiotics a few days before any kind of surgery or dental cleaning and
for
at least a week afterwards, Cushings pups are very suceptable to infections
more than ordinary pups, you might want to check this out with your vet,
this is very important, the more we can help them before hand the better.
Regards to everyone, Jackie and Sunny
At 11:40 AM 6/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>My experience with dental surgery is that the vet will let me take Kelso
>home is there are no complications. I think that he agrees that it
it much
>less stressful to be at home. Kelso has both stayed and went home after
>operations. You may also want to consider your stress level. Will
you
>know what to look for or do if there is a problem? Be sure to get very
>specific instructions as what to look for. Will there be someone at
the
>vet overnight---i.e. is it considered an ICU unit where there is 24
hour
>observation? When Kelso had to stay, there was 24 hour observation
and it
>made me feel better knowing that if there was a complication, it would
be
>immediately dealt with. If there is not 24 hour observation, then I
would
>definitely not want Kelso to stay since I would want to be observing
him
>and I would make sure that a vet was immediately accessable at 2 in
the
>morning. Does that make sense? Please also check with your vet about
>giving Gretle pred during and after the surgery period to offset the
stress
>related to Cushings. Good luck on your decision and let us know what
>happens.
>
>Doreen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>chesterb@penn.com on 06/03/98 10:45:39 AM
>
>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, muffin@esosoft.com
>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>Subject: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
>
>
>
>
>I am sending this to both cushings & diabetes lists for some feedback.
I
> am still suspicious that Gretle's (mini-dachshund) diabetes &
cushings
> is hormonal related re some reproductive apparatus malfunctions
which
> may resolve but the weight of opinion has been to neuter. Gretle
had a
> major back operation when young and knows what to expect when left
at
> the Vet. She does not take well to staying even though everyone
says
> how good she is, etc. I see the difference with the rubbed spot
on her
> nose and the way she eats, etc. and know the vet office is very
> traumatic for her. The operation would be in the morning and they
would
> keep her overnight. Is there any feeling about the risk of me taking
> her home in the evening rather than letting her stay overnight,
> assuming the operation went well and no complications came up?
I want
> to minimize the trauma but be safe as I can. I expect that the
Vet is
> following normal procedure to avoid an unexpected complication but
I
> want to make a decision based on Gretle as an individual. To help
me
> with the decision, I am looking for some real life experience following
> an operation before I discuss this some more with my Vet. Gretle
has
> no cushings symptoms and her diabetes has been good except for the
last
> 4 days with more 200 bgs than I want. I raised her insulin today
to 2
> 1/2 from 2 units.
>chester
>
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I am sending this to both
cushings &
>diabetes lists for some feedback. I am still suspicious that
Gretle's
>(mini-dachshund) diabetes & cushings is hormonal related re
some
>reproductive apparatus malfunctions which may resolve but the weight
of
>opinion has been to neuter. Gretle had a major back operation
when
>young and knows what to expect when left at the Vet. She does
not
>take well to staying even though everyone says how good she is, etc.
>I see the difference with the rubbed spot on her nose and the way she
eats,
>etc. and know the vet office
>is very traumatic for her.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>
The operation would be
>in the morning and they would keep her overnight. Is there
any
>feeling about the risk of me taking her home in the evening rather than
>letting her stay overnight, assuming the operation went well and no
>complications came up? I want to minimize the trauma but be
safe as I
>can. I expect that the Vet is following normal procedure to
avoid an
>unexpected complication but I want to make a decision based on Gretle
as an
>individual. To help me with the decision, I am looking for
some real
>life experience following an operation before I discuss this some more
with
>my Vet. Gretle has no cushings symptoms and her diabetes has
been
>good except for the last 4 days with more 200 bgs than I want.
I
>raised her insulin today to 2 1/2 from 2
>units.</FONT></DIV>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:07:13 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccinations
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On Jun 3, 1:23pm, Sandy Mannix wrote:
> Subject: vaccinations
> Does anyone have experience with a Cushings dog re-exhibiting excessive
> water drinking/panting/coughing/licking symptoms after receiving
> vaccinations?
>
> Puffin got a Bordetella vaccine 3 weeks ago and all the above have
> surfaced. She's been on Lysodren for almost 3 years with good results.
>
> Or is it just a coincidence that the symptoms showed up now?
I'm willing to bet that this is part of the immune system's response
to the
vaccinations, which, after all, are supposed to stimulate the immune system.
Talk with your vet. I seem to remember this with Ivan (and, now that you
mention it, his problems first seemed to surface shortly after his annual
shots) and the signs all cleared up again after a few weeks. Mayhaps another
ACTH stim test is in order.
Does anyone know of any research in this area? Maybe I should buy some
lottery
tickets tonight to fund some.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:04:01 -0500
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Question on Lysodren
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Hi Susan and welcome to the list. My Kelso has been on lysodren
maintenance for 11 months now. It is my understanding that the loading
phase dramatically reduces the production of cortisone to appropriate
levels while the maintenance dose keeps the production at that level.
Sorry that this isn't a very medical explanation, but perhaps someone else
can help. It has been my experience that once a dog is stable on his
lysodren dosage, the side effects are nil. I am lucky that Kelso has never
had a reaction and we have only had to adjust his dosage once.
Unfortunately, others' experiences are not that great and it's difficult
to
find that dosage of lysodren that is "just right".
Kelso is a scottish terrier and I do believe that terriers are more
susceptible to Cushings. No medical documentation though just word of
mouth. It is a common enough disease that our national club did a
presentation on Cushings at our 1997 National Specialty. It may also be
that since it is a known fact that terriers have skin problems and are
usually given steriods to reduce the itchies, this may be a contributing
factor.
Hope this helps.
Doreen
susan.farnsworth@reebok.com on 06/03/98 11:44:21 AM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: Question on Lysodren
I have been subscrbing here for a couple of weeks now, although we found
the web site back in January when our Vet first mentioned Cushings as a
diagnosis for our 9.5 yr Rottweiler x Terrier (60 lbs), Casey. I read all
of the archives - they were so helpful in gathering information about the
disease and also about the treatment options. We tried Anipryl for 3
months but did not have any reduction in symptoms (which for Casey has only
been increased water intake, the associated need to piddle constantly and
hair loss). We did a loading phase of Lysodren about 2 weeks ago and
everything went well until after the ATCH Stim test. Evidently after the
test her cortisol level dipped down very low so we've been on the
prednisone to bring it back a liitle. Casey is scheduled for anothet ACTH
test on Monday and the Vet told me that unless the reading is real high
again, she is going to start Casey on the maintenance dose (2x per week).
It is my understanding that the loading phase of the lysodren goes in
and
stops the adrenal gland from producing cortisol by shrinking the gland.
If
that is true, what is the purpose of the maintenance dose? Not that I am
questioning whether to give it, I just don't understand what it is suppose
to do. Also, once on the maintenance dose, does the threat of side effects
(ie vomiting, diarrhea, lethary) subside or remain? The problem we had
with her after the ATCH test really scared me - Casey obviously felt
terrible - she wouldn't even get up, never mind eat or drink (we ended up
back at the vet for a IV shot of the prednisone) - and of course this was
the Friday afternoon before Memorial Day weekend! I am hoping that this
situation will not be frequently repeated once we are on the maintenance
-
can anyone comment?
One thing I've noticed is that there seem to be a lot of the terrier
breed
on the list. Is Cushings a disease that Terriers are predisposed to?
I have followed all of your stories thru the archives and now daily.
The
support and collective knowledge of this group are a great resource!
Susan & "Casey"
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:07:57 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccinations
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Hello, maybe I am being stupid but what is Bordetella, I have never heard
of
that before, Sunny only had her Rabies shots this year, the vet said not
to
do the others as her body was having enough toxins in it with the Lysodren.
Maybe it is coincidence with the shot, have you checked her feet to see
if
there is any infection or if she has a sore throat, it could be anything
like that, Sunny just recently was diagnosed with these things and I did
not
even think to look at her throat and feet, the new vet did tho, so we were
saved. Love the baby for us. Jackie and Sunny
At 01:23 PM 6/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone have experience with a Cushings dog re-exhibiting excessive
>water drinking/panting/coughing/licking symptoms after receiving
>vaccinations?
>
>Puffin got a Bordetella vaccine 3 weeks ago and all the above have
>surfaced. She's been on Lysodren for almost 3 years with good results.
>
>Or is it just a coincidence that the symptoms showed up now?
>
>Thanks for any input.
>Sandy & Puffin
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:19:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: TX Lottery was: vaccinations
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Don'tcha know we'll be playing the lottery tonight, too. $40+ million
should fund a lot of research and fun!
-Leslie
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Does anyone know of any research in this area? Maybe I should buy
some lottery
> tickets tonight to fund some.
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:21:59 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccinations and searching archives
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Molly died of complications from acute autoimmune hemolytic anemia, ten
days
after recieving her annual shots. We are convinced that there was a direct
correlation. At the time, we were using a vet that was not able to deal
with
this emergency and what could have been treated on Friday morning dragged
on
and she died in our arms Monday night.
I gotta cry now.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:30:35 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
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Subject: Re: vaccinations
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There are some VERY informative articles by Dr. Jean Dodds, who is a
well-
known immunologists that owns a dog blood bank in California. She is one
of
the main forces behind all of the immunology work on reactions to
vaccinations. She is working on vaccine protocols because she and others
believe that vaccines are one of the top initiators of autoimmune disorders
and specific cancers at the site where the vaccine was administered. Her
thoughts and research are driving some of the vaccine protocols that vet
schools are suggesting such as the need to vaccine only healthy, young and
stable dogs and not those whose immune systems are compromised. Her protocol
is to obtain blood titers and to seriously consider not vaccinating older
dogs. The science behind this thinking is that some dogs are vaccinated
every
year, with many different types of vaccines given. Apparently, these vaccines
can have an effect for over a year, and they are saying that this is
especially true with rabies. The suggestion is that a 3 year rabies vaccine
should be utilized to satisfy town laws, over the vaccine every year, since
it
apparently lasts for that long in the pet's body. Her research and thinking
is that since some vaccines are modified-live and not killed ones, the immune
system then has to fight that live entrant, and an immuno-compromised pet
such
as one with Cushing's, might have a hard time overcoming it.
Her phone number is 310-828-4804 and her blood bank is called Hemo Pet.
Just for informational purposes:
Her research indicates that bleeding disorders such as immune-mediated
thrombocytopenia (ITP), lupus, autoimmune hemolytic anemia and similiar
life-
threatening sudden diseases may be induced by some drugs and vaccinations
(to
name a few). You can review these on the web site listed.
http://www.vita-tech.com/articles/thyroid.htm
You can go through the various menus and find many helpful and informative
articles relating to the thyroid and vaccinations.
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:42:08 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccinations
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It is my understanding that Bordetella is the vaccination used to
prevent Kennel cough and any upper respiratory problems. I'm using the
term "Bordetella" from memory. I'll look it up tonight and report
back
on the exact terminology. Thanks for being patient with me.
Sandy
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:00:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [Muffin] Fateful Decision Re: Neuter (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:53:59 -0400
To: "Chester B. Smith" <Chesterb@Penn.com>
From: Kerry Meydam <ksam@netrover.com>
Subject: Re: [Muffin] Fateful Decision Re: Neuter
Cc: "Cushings" <Cushings-pets@Mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>,
"Muffin" <Muffin@Esosoft.com>
At 11:45 AM 6/3/98 -0400, chester b. smith wrote:
> Is there any feeling about the risk of me taking her home in the evening
rather
>than letting her stay overnight, assuming the operation went well and
no
>complications came up?
Chester,
When Melody was spayed, I took her home the same day, and for the same reasons. She doesn't cope well being left overnight at the vets, and my vet knows I will keep her quiet, watch her like a hawk, and phone him if I have any concerns. I felt confident I could take care of her at home and give her more personal attention than they could at the vets, and my vet agreed with me (he's known me and my dogs for over 15 years). Because I monitor her bg at home, that wasn't so much of a problem. Melody had the surgery in the morning and was able to come home in the afternoon - she was fully awake and on her feet.
Many vet clinics don't even have someone there all night, except the emergency clinics, so I feel sometimes they are better off coming home. Mel's mother, Katie also came home the same day she was spayed, and we had no complications.
Good luck on whatever you and your vet decide. And remember that diabetes is normally much easier to control after spaying - those hormones do cause fluctuations in bg.
Kerry & Melody
[Moderator's note: be sure to cc: Kerry if you reply, as she is not
subscribed to the cushing's list.]
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:15:26 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
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Subject: Re: vaccinations and searching archives
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There have been an increasing number of pet owners whose animals have
died
from complications of bleeding disorders apparently induced by vaccinations
and/or drugs. Some of them have posted their sad stories to the other animal
pet and pet health newsgroups, including many labradors from complications
of
the arthritic drug Rimadyl.
These sudden autoimmune bleeding diseases have been categorized as: autoimmune
hemolytic anemia (AIHA), immune-mediated thrombocytoenia (ITP - what my
cocker
Clarisse died from), system lupus and some other "rare" disorders.
According
to the 24 hour emergency hospital that I had my cocker Clarisse in, 80-90%
of
those animals don't make it, especially the purebreeds such as cockers.
After 14 months of speaking to both traditional vets and holistic vets,
I too
am convinced that my Clarisse died from a 50% increase in her lysodren and
her
Lymes booster vaccine. I've had several vets review all of her records
since
she was 8 weeks old (she was 10 1/2 when she died). I've also spent thousands
of hours researching pet health books, immunology reports and research,
and
reading everything I can about bleeding disorders and a pet's health in
general.
With the two different vets that I had during her lifetime, none of them
ever
spoke to me about having thyroid or liver tests done, and both always told
me
that her blood work was "OK". After her death, I retrieved all
of her records
and lab reports. She had out-of-range white blood cell numbers for a good
year and a half. She also had a ACTH monitoring test done in December (she
died in March) which was out-of-range, but the vet never really explained
WHY
he was increasing her lysodren 50%. When I questioned him, he just
said,"Let's see, we'll try this." If he had revealed to me that
the numbers
were really bad, I would have asked to have the test re-done or pushed for
an
explanation of what was going on with her physiologically.
He never indicated that her alkaline phosphotase was really jumping up
there
or talked to me about liver or thyroid (back then, I didn't know what any
of
these blood panels were, so I didn't know to ask for them). I just
unfortunately blindly believed my vet when he said that Clarisse was "just
fine". I spent thousands of dollars on all kinds of blood monitoring
tests
and "needed" vaccines and medicines over the years and thought
that I was
taking really good care of my sweet and precious darling. We also spent
over
$5,000 trying to save her from the 12 day bleeding disorder that killed
her
(and would spend ANY amount again because she was such a beautiful animal).
My husband would not even think about a necropsy for her (autopsy).
I now have 2 vets from different practices that believe that the lymes
vaccination was an important initiator of her bleeding disorder; and there
are
another 5 vets that believe that there was too much lysodren being
administered. My vet was by no means a Cushing's specialist.
After Clarisse died, he refused to speak to me or to give me any explanations
of what he felt happened. He just said that,"It's a female cocker
thing" and
that "these things happen to many dogs". His wife told me that
they had just
put another cocker to sleep that developed the same bleeding disorder that
Clarisse had died from. Now I'm really wondering if she too had been given
the same type of lymes vaccine and if this cocker also had been on medications
that were increased.
I now tell everybody to obtain copies of ALL of your blood work and pet's
history even if you are very confident about your vet. It's always good
to
have in case you also are forced into a sudden crisis and need the assistance
of someone in addition to your own vet.
Laura
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:27:25 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In Molly's case, it is even more tragic because she was the healthy dog,
with
absolutely no history of problems. Her records show mid-line results for
everything. Our vet in Dallas did a complete blood workup on her after
Ivan
was diagnosed with hypothyroid, just to make sure she didn't have any problems.
Our vet now says that "we've learned a lot in three years, don't
blame
yourself". Doesn't help. They agreed entirely when I told them all
we wanted
for Ivan was his rabies (required by law, they can't even treat without
proof).
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:46:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sweetie--Update
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A bit confused. Vet said to re-start thyroid meds Mon. and I did, but
only
gave her 1/2 dosage. Today she will get 1/2 a.m. and 1/2 p.m., full
dosage. No throwing up or diarrhea so far, since Fri. p.m.
If she is OD-ing on Anipryl, wouldn't her water intake be up (it's down,
I
have to encourage her to drink)? Hungry as ever, not terribly energetic,
though she enjoys her evening walks; still I had to carry her upstairs
last night halfway, when she has been bounding up the stairs for several
weeks now.
But then again, she seems to be wetting in the house again, directly
on
her little "posturepedic, fake sheepskin" bed. Hate that. Had
to go out in
the yard with her this a.m. when I saw she wasn't going and go through the
drill: "Good girl, Sweetie! Hurry up Sweetie, go, go! SQUAT, SWEETIE!"
'til she responded.
At any rate, doesn't SEEM life-threatening. Definitely cancelled lyme
booster at this point. Toni, when Penny was sick like this, was she
nauseous for several days or show other symptoms? I hate to call the vet
back with a "wild goose chase." Thanks for your help!
Jenny & Sweetie/Tibetan Terrier (Posturepedic bed! Huh!)
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:08:05 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Seizures (Was:Re: Help!)
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CBABTPC@aol.com wrote:
> Just had another thought. I was told that if the seizures went over
a minute
> in duration- or occurred too often- I think several times a day, or
continued
> for longer than 5 days, that Targa would need some phenobarbital, or
other
> seizure controlling medication. This didn't happen in our case, but
I have a
> friend whose bearded collie has had to take phenobarb periodically
for bouts
> of epilepsy.
Generally, more than one seizure per month warrants the use of some
approach,
(traditional medications--phenobarbitol is just one possible medication,
acupuncture, gold bead implants, homeopathic...or whatever might be
best for an individual dog), and the treatment needs to continue,
if the cause is epilepsy, (since you're not curing the disease, but
controlling the seizures). Dogs can die from epilepsy, (we just lost
another one on the epilepsy list today....), so it's very important
to get the seizures under control. The concern is that the more
seizures that one has, the more likely it is that there will be
more seizures, due to kindling and
mirroring:
Kindling: having seizures lowers the threshold for having more
seizures.
Mirroring: while seizures may initially occur on only one side of the
brain, the other side may begin to mirror that activity, thus increasing
the
frequency of
seizures.
(Note that kindling and mirroring are part of the reason that gaining
control over the seizures is important. The more seizures that a dog is
"allowed" to have, the more difficult the epilepsy will be to
control.)
But, most dogs do have their seizures well controlled through treatment,
and go on to live long, happy, healthy, productive lives.
If anyone is interested in more information on canine epilepsy, (I've
got lots of it stored up here....), or instructions on how to sign
up on the canine epilepsy email list, let me know.
My Great Dane, Kurvenal, has had epilepsy since he was a puppy, and
will be 8 years old in July. He no longer needs phenobarbitol due
to having had gold bead implants, and has now been seizure-free
for almost 2 years! Jeri kurvenal@ameritech.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:14:29 EDT
From: DLowder25@aol.com
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Thanks to everyone for your thoughts and suggestions. I'm going to
check
out the link for epilepsy. I found a couple good ones last night.
Unfortunately, my friend doesn't have access to internet (except thru me)
so
I'm glad to do what I can. I understand what it is to have an impending
disease and be terrified by it; i.e. Cushings and diabetes.
I knew I could count on all you doggie lovers to help! Thanks again.
Debbie & Mollie Bear on behalf of Bonnie and Julie
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:29:22 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sweetie--Update
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>A bit confused. Vet said to re-start thyroid meds Mon. and I did,
but only
>gave her 1/2 dosage. Today she will get 1/2 a.m. and 1/2 p.m., full
>dosage. No throwing up or diarrhea so far, since Fri. p.m.
>
>If she is OD-ing on Anipryl, wouldn't her water intake be up (it's down,
I
>have to encourage her to drink)? Hungry as ever, not terribly energetic,
>though she enjoys her evening walks; still I had to carry her upstairs
>last night halfway, when she has been bounding up the stairs for several
>weeks now.
>
>But then again, she seems to be wetting in the house again, directly
on
>her little "posturepedic, fake sheepskin" bed. Hate that.
Had to go out in
>the yard with her this a.m. when I saw she wasn't going and go through
the
>drill: "Good girl, Sweetie! Hurry up Sweetie, go, go! SQUAT, SWEETIE!"
>'til she responded.
>
>At any rate, doesn't SEEM life-threatening. Definitely cancelled lyme
>booster at this point. Toni, when Penny was sick like this, was she
>nauseous for several days or show other symptoms? I hate to call the
vet
>back with a "wild goose chase." Thanks for your help!
>
>Jenny & Sweetie/Tibetan Terrier (Posturepedic bed! Huh!)
>
>jk@bradley.bradley.edu
When Penny was bad with the lysodren, she was so lethargic and labored
breathing scared me so that I thought she was dying right then. She didn't
want to do anything , even raise her head.
When Penny was sick with the anipryl, she wasn't really off her food, she
just vomited alot and we woke up with messes on the kitchen floor from her
emptying her bowels. She was slow to move around and didn't want to go
out
alot because of the effort that she had to put forth to move anywhere. She
slept alot too. Her water intake was definitely down too and we were
wondering if she was drinking anything at all or just getting her fluids
from her food. She lost about a lb. a week during that time. It was scary.
Call your vet if you are concerned. With this disease it is better to be
safe than sorry.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
in Michigan
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:23:53 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Surgery & Cushingnoid Dogs
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Before I would have ANY surgery done on my dogs, I would get them on
Rescue
Remedy ( one of the Bach Flower Essences) or Stress Control (got it from
my
holistic vet). Recently my 11 year old poodle with congestive liver
failure got her disease under control enough that my vet could do some
necessary surgery--spay, 4-way mastectomy, fatty tumor removal. He warned
me about all of the probable problems I would have and what to look out
for. I had to take her back for a recheck 3 days after surgery and he was
astounded at how well she was doing. No problems at all and she has been
doing great for the 4 months since surgery. She is back to competing in
Agility (along with Annie) and was literally chomping at the bit to do her
Agility work 5 DAYS after surgery. Of course, I did not let her do any
more than walk over a few 4 inch jumps.
Bordetella is the nasal vaccine which is used to prevent about 80% of
canine cough infections. Most boarding kennels require this vaccination
before boarding a pet. Dogs with ANY immune deficiencies should NEVER
receive vaccinations. My 11-year old with the liver failure was required
to get a Rabies vaccination last month because we were traveling to Canada
for some dog shows. She went into immediate shock in the vet's office and
got to stay for the rest of the day. She is fine now but will get no more
vaccinations for the rest of her life. My Cushing's dog hasn't had any
since July of 1996 other than her Rabies for the reason of International
travel.
Janice & Annie
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> From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Sweetie--Update
> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 1:29 PM
>
> >A bit confused. Vet said to re-start thyroid meds Mon. and I did,
but
only
> >gave her 1/2 dosage. Today she will get 1/2 a.m. and 1/2 p.m.,
full
> >dosage. No throwing up or diarrhea so far, since Fri. p.m.
> >
> >If she is OD-ing on Anipryl, wouldn't her water intake be up (it's
down,
I
> >have to encourage her to drink)? Hungry as ever, not terribly energetic,
> >though she enjoys her evening walks; still I had to carry her upstairs
> >last night halfway, when she has been bounding up the stairs for
several
> >weeks now.
> >
> >But then again, she seems to be wetting in the house again, directly
on
> >her little "posturepedic, fake sheepskin" bed. Hate that.
Had to go out
in
> >the yard with her this a.m. when I saw she wasn't going and go
through
the
> >drill: "Good girl, Sweetie! Hurry up Sweetie, go, go! SQUAT,
SWEETIE!"
> >'til she responded.
> >
> >At any rate, doesn't SEEM life-threatening. Definitely cancelled
lyme
> >booster at this point. Toni, when Penny was sick like this, was
she
> >nauseous for several days or show other symptoms? I hate to call
the vet
> >back with a "wild goose chase." Thanks for your help!
> >
> >Jenny & Sweetie/Tibetan Terrier (Posturepedic bed! Huh!)
> >
> >jk@bradley.bradley.edu
>
> When Penny was bad with the lysodren, she was so lethargic and labored
> breathing scared me so that I thought she was dying right then. She
didn't
> want to do anything , even raise her head.
> When Penny was sick with the anipryl, she wasn't really off her food,
she
> just vomited alot and we woke up with messes on the kitchen floor from
her
> emptying her bowels. She was slow to move around and didn't want to
go
out
> alot because of the effort that she had to put forth to move anywhere.
She
> slept alot too. Her water intake was definitely down too and we were
> wondering if she was drinking anything at all or just getting her fluids
> from her food. She lost about a lb. a week during that time. It was
scary.
> Call your vet if you are concerned. With this disease it is better
to be
> safe than sorry.
>
> Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and
Gabe.
> in Michigan
>
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:37:08 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Golden diagnosed with Cushings
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Donna:
Hi, welcome to the list! My lab, Rosie, was diagnosed in March '98 and
she
was 82 lbs when we started. She was initially on Anipryl for the first
30
days and two weeks into treatment we had to start her on insulin for diabetes.
Now, I believe her Cushing's was simply more advanced that is why she had
diabetes. Not all dogs advance into that disease also. However, it can
be a
side affect of Cushing's. Their are a few of us out here that get to deal
with both. I believe about 4 of us last count.
Anyway, the first month's medication cost me $165 at 30 mg per day.
It seemed
to help Rosie, and I understand that it usually takes 2-3 months to get
the
full effect of this drug. But Rosie's case case got pretty tough right
away
so my vet felt more comfortable changing to Lysodren. Her maintenance dosage
for Lysodren is 3/4ths of a tablet twice a week or 375 mg. and they cost
me
around 11.00 for two weeks, I think. I have gotten so use to spending money,
I seem to have lost count.
I hope this helps on your inquiries surrounding cost. Prices may vary.
Good luck!
Judy and Rosie
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Doreen:
Not sure who you are asking about Texas, but we are in the Dallas area.
The
Colony, Texas, just north of Carrollton and east of Lake Lewisville.
Judy and Rosie
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Linda and Schous:
Hang in there Linda and keep us posted on what your options are next.
To
answer your question, yes, I am still measuring Rosie's water intake daily.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:08:23 -0700
From: "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Rosemary G. Blascetta and Mactavish, male Scottish Terrier, diagnosed
May 1998
I have a 12 year old Scottie that has been diagnosed with Cushings
disease and has just started Lysodren. After just 1.5 days of medication
he is having an adverse reaction - lethargy, diarrhea, not interested in
food and unsteady on his feet.
We have interupted his dosage pending the
chance to get into the Vet for retesting and adjustment of his
dose. The word from the Vet was to give him 1.5 tablets of the
Prednisone and continue to monitor. My feeling is that Mac's "reaction"
is to the work that the Lysodren is doing, not to the fact that after
1.5 days of medication that it already gone too far.
The hardest part of this is that I don't have custody of Mac. In the
divorce I left the dogs with the ex, he has the bigger paycheck and
would always have a home for them. I have been apartment bound for the
last 4 years. We are on good terms, I can take them (the other dog is a
Shiba Inu) out for walks when schedules permit and once in a blue moon
when friends leave town and let me use their homes, take them away for a
slumber party!
My search of the web for information on Cushings and Lysodren brought me
to the digests from your group. I have gotten great comfort from reading
the different digest you have posted. I now understand the real
potency of, Lysodren its gift and its curse. The other articles I read
when only researching Cushings on the web understated or gave little
indication of just how fierce Lysodren could be.
Thank you for posting your digests for web users! I am looking forward
to being part of your information community.
TTFN Rosemary
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:12:34 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sweetie--Update
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>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Sweetie--Update
>
>
>
> Considering our babies are on the brink so to say it.
> Anything, that is out of the ordinary I believe should be report
> to the vet. Nothing can be considered "a wild goose chase."
If
> we had not queried our Sunny's coughing, we would have never
> found out she had strep throat -- it was put down to dirt in
her
> water and allergies! The old adage "the only stupid question
is
> the unasked one" really applies to us and our babies.
Ask the
> vet we sure pay them enough.
>
> I am not knocking the vets and their cost, but when you think
of
> what you actually pay out for your furbaby, remember the vets
> are the doctor of your "child." Sorry to carry on,
but I feel
> that anything out of the ordinary is important to discover a
> cause.
>
> Randy (Sunny's Daddy)
>______________________________ Reply Separator
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>Subject: Sweetie--Update
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 6/3/98 3:46 PM
>
>
>A bit confused. Vet said to re-start thyroid meds Mon. and I did, but
only
>gave her 1/2 dosage. Today she will get 1/2 a.m. and 1/2 p.m., full
>dosage. No throwing up or diarrhea so far, since Fri. p.m.
>
>If she is OD-ing on Anipryl, wouldn't her water intake be up (it's down,
I
>have to encourage her to drink)? Hungry as ever, not terribly energetic,
>though she enjoys her evening walks; still I had to carry her upstairs
>last night halfway, when she has been bounding up the stairs for several
>weeks now.
>
>But then again, she seems to be wetting in the house again, directly
on
>her little "posturepedic, fake sheepskin" bed. Hate that.
Had to go out in
>the yard with her this a.m. when I saw she wasn't going and go through
the
>drill: "Good girl, Sweetie! Hurry up Sweetie, go, go! SQUAT, SWEETIE!"
>'til she responded.
>
>At any rate, doesn't SEEM life-threatening. Definitely cancelled lyme
>booster at this point. Toni, when Penny was sick like this, was she
>nauseous for several days or show other symptoms? I hate to call the
vet
>back with a "wild goose chase." Thanks for your help!
>
>Jenny & Sweetie/Tibetan Terrier (Posturepedic bed! Huh!)
>
>jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:39:00 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Wild goose chases (was: Re: Sweetie--Update
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In January of 1996, Ivan seemed to be complaining of some indistinct
malaise.
I took him on a Friday afternoon. Dr Smith gave him a good looking over,
palpated his little tummy and asked if we could come in at 7am on Saturday
for
an ultrasound. The ultrasound showed a grossly enlarged spleen, which was
removed on Monday. Had we not "chased the wild goose", he would
likely have
died within two weeks.
So, chase those geese.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Autocross - low speed and over the edge
Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:19:17 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: "cushings" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Fateful decision to neuter
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Thank you all for the input. Most of these things are items that are
=
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pituitary rather than adrenal but if the medication works on the adrenal
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they would do along with the reproductive surgery? or do I go with the
=
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controlled?
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:43:01 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccinations
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I want to thank all of you for the info re: vaccinations. I will talk
with my vet about the effects they may be having on Puffin.
She had a good night last night -- only woke up twice for a drink. It
is
kinda cute to watch a Lhasa drink out of a 3oz. Dixie cup. She's an
expert at it!
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:14:30 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Progress of Terrible Ted
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Hi, y'all,
Update on the condition of the Main Man in our house - since
his
treatment started he has improved by leaps and bounds. His appetite, which
was always robust, has receded from gluttony to a respectable level. He
has
reduced his water intake but still 'tanks up' prior to a walk around the
park. I feel this is for the normal process of leaving his autograph around.
His panting has subsided, although he now uses it as an attention getter
at
night when he wants down off the bench on which he sleeps most of the night
at the foot of the bed. I thought that it was a return of his previous
signs, but he did it last night, stopping when I put him down on the carpet
close to the window where he could get some cool draught.
I took him to the vet yesterday and, though I can't quote all
the mystifying formulae that the pseudo-vets can, he is OK! He gets his
maintenance medication twice a day and shows steady progress. One feature
that we are pleased about is the return of his hair color. He had faded
away
from black and tan to a champagne and silver. Though this was attractive
in
itself, it wasn't the coloring he was born with by any means and both
Eileen and I began to be a little defensive when people referred to him
as a
"lovely old dog".
There is a progressive darkening of his hair from the nape of
the neck downwards and outwards. His skin pigmentation, which had lightened
to resemble Babe (the piglet from the film of the same name) is now a rich
dark gray.
There has also been a significant improvement in his activity
level. Although the cruciate ligament in his right back leg prevents him
from behaving as he formally did, he is able to run at a sustained pace
for
a reasonable distance and is increasing the length of his walks daily. We
allow him to go as far as he wants and he is now showing more interest in
other dogs and in striding out briskly.
When we read of other people's pets condition we are thankful
that Ted has responded to treatment so well. We wish that for everyone else.
Regards to all,
Dave, Eileen and Terrible Ted.
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:39:19 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
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This is great news. And with others also progressing, things actually
seem
bright (until I look out at the Mexican smoke).
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Hell hath no fury like root.
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:42:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
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Dave, Eileen, and Terrible Ted,
Your wonderful news has made my whole week! Hurray for our latest
Cushing's success story!
-Leslie
(who had a very sweet dream about ten black puppies last night....)
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:56:35 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
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Great to hear the news about Terrible Ted, we are pleased for you both,
Regards Jackie, Randy, Sunny, Saphir and of course Sadie at Rainbow Bridge.
At 12:14 PM 6/4/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi, y'all,
> Update on the condition of the Main Man in our house - since
his
>treatment started he has improved by leaps and bounds. His appetite,
which
>was always robust, has receded from gluttony to a respectable level.
He has
>reduced his water intake but still 'tanks up' prior to a walk around
the
>park. I feel this is for the normal process of leaving his autograph
around.
>His panting has subsided, although he now uses it as an attention getter
at
>night when he wants down off the bench on which he sleeps most of the
night
>at the foot of the bed. I thought that it was a return of his previous
>signs, but he did it last night, stopping when I put him down on the
carpet
>close to the window where he could get some cool draught.
> I took him to the vet yesterday and, though I can't quote
all
>the mystifying formulae that the pseudo-vets can, he is OK! He gets
his
>maintenance medication twice a day and shows steady progress. One feature
>that we are pleased about is the return of his hair color. He had faded
away
>from black and tan to a champagne and silver. Though this was attractive
in
>itself, it wasn't the coloring he was born with by any means and both
>Eileen and I began to be a little defensive when people referred to
him as a
>"lovely old dog".
> There is a progressive darkening of his hair from the nape
of
>the neck downwards and outwards. His skin pigmentation, which had lightened
>to resemble Babe (the piglet from the film of the same name) is now
a rich
>dark gray.
> There has also been a significant improvement in his activity
>level. Although the cruciate ligament in his right back leg prevents
him
>from behaving as he formally did, he is able to run at a sustained pace
for
>a reasonable distance and is increasing the length of his walks daily.
We
>allow him to go as far as he wants and he is now showing more interest
in
>other dogs and in striding out briskly.
> When we read of other people's pets condition we are thankful
>that Ted has responded to treatment so well. We wish that for everyone
else.
> Regards to all,
> Dave, Eileen and Terrible Ted.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:31:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Chased the Goose
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Cute, Sandy! Just like Sweetie won't drink out of her water bowl at all
anymore, since my mother thought it was "cute" when she drank
out of a
glass (which then needs constant refilling)! A friend of mine has a
Himalayan cat who eats and drinks her water on a tray atop the dining
table. Is this a Tibetan thing.
Well, when I chased the goose the vet said to keep observing since she
hasn't had another episode of vomiting since Friday. Last night Sweetie
seemed better, carrying round Dino the dinosaur and pouncing on him to
make him squeak. It's amazing the ups and downs and nerve-wracking. Thanks
again to youse guys.
Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Sandy Mannix wrote:
> I want to thank all of you for the info re: vaccinations. I will
talk
> with my vet about the effects they may be having on Puffin.
>
> She had a good night last night -- only woke up twice for a drink.
It is
> kinda cute to watch a Lhasa drink out of a 3oz. Dixie cup. She's an
> expert at it!
> Sandy & Puffin
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:37:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
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That is wonderful news about Terrible Ted. I love to hear about him,
can
tell what a charmer he must be!
Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:55:54 EDT
From: DLowder25@aol.com
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Mactavish
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Rosemary:
Welcome to the group. My Mollie Bear has been on Lysodren for a little
over
a year. My former vet really was aggressive with the loading of Lysodren
and
she had very bad reaction within 5 days. Unfortunately she crashed on a
weekend in the middle of a snowstorm (of course). I can relate to the
shaking, vomiting bile and blood, diarrhea--it's all very scary (especially
since I wasn't prepared for it at all)
I'm with a new vet who's much more conservative with dosages. Mollie
is
doing fine now (except for the diabetes) but the conservative dosage has
her
cushings under perfect control. Some people really go for the higher dosages
at first but I can't see doing that. The disease didn't come about in one
day--why try to control it in one day?
Hang in there. It's pretty scary sometimes but you'll find your way.
Give
Mactavish a kiss for Mollie and me.
Debbie & Mollie Bear
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:15:19 -0400
From: "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
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Dillon ,Thanks It answered some questions for me also. We were on Anipryl
for 3 months & her Cushings &liver counts were getting worse. We
started on
LYSODREN & Prednisone today. SAmmy is only 6lbs & they cut the
pill into
1/6.
Pat & Sammy
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> From: Dillon Pyron <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 10:07 AM
>
> The loading phase for Lysodren is an initial, high dosage phase which
is
> intended to dramatically reduce the output from the adrenal glands.
For
Ivan,
> this was usually (he did three of them) 500mg BID for anywhere from
5
(the last
> two, which were call "controlled loads") to N days. His
first loading
dose ran
> until he refused food, at which point he was given a Prednisone and
watched
> carefully. About a week later, an ACTH stim test was done that showed
him in
> pretty good shape and he went to a maintenance dose (that changed from
time to
> time).
>
>
> --
> dillon pyron
> dillon.pyron@amd.com
> Autocross - low speed and over the edge
> Road racing - high speed and at the edge
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:13:15 -0400
From: "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
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Jody, My Sammy is 6lb MAltese & her dose was 5mg.
Good Luck, Pat & Sammy
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> From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Anipryl vs. Lysodren, etc.
> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 7:21 PM
>
>
> > list seems to talk about 30 mg doses, but I'm not sure what size
dog
that
> > pertains to, as I am new to this list. My dog, who I suspect
is
Cushinoid,
> > weighs about 15 pounds ....
> > Any ideas of potential dosage?
> > Thanks very much,
> >
> Our dog is 18lbs and gets 1/2 of a 15mg tablet a day. The info with
the
> pills says the dosage is 1mg/kg of weight. So if your dog weighs 15
pounds
> that's about 6.8 kg which would require about 1/2 of a 15mg tablet.
>
> Rudy has a new "mineral deposit", scaliness in his ear.
Does anyone else
> know about these and what to do?
>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 03:23:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
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On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, David ROBERTS wrote:
> Update on the condition of the Main Man in our house
- since his
> treatment started he has improved by leaps and bounds. His appetite,
which
> was always robust, has receded from gluttony to a respectable level.
He has
>
Yay, Ted! (I just love the name `Terrible Ted')
Congrats on his success.
Lia and Maggie
==============================================================================
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be
misconstrued" ---Jerry Boyle, This Hour Has 22 Minutes
Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
lmbrown@trentu.ca anlmb@blaze.trentu.ca "Gattai, Dinoking!"
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:39:31 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: "muffin" <muffin@esosoft.com>,
"cushings" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Pet Food & herpes
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Let me say first that I do not know of any connection or if there is
=
dog/cat herpes for sure but have strong suspicions. I have been =
following the Saturday Evening Post WWW.satevepost.org advocacy of =
lysine for cold blisters, shingles, etc. Lysine is an essential amino =
acid found in most dog food and is antagonistic to argonine a =
non-essential amino acid required by the herpes virus to reproduce. It
=
is found in nuts, chocolate and corn among other foods. I noticed that
=
corn is very prevalent in the WD prescription foods. I had tried to =
find food without a lot of corn for Gretle's diet but now feed her the =
wd.
As you know, herpes is an opportunistic virus which causes problems
=
in humans with immune system problems as in auto-immune diseases. I =
think that everyone in the world has some form of latent herpes virus =
which hangs around forever. Some of the postings from pets with =
cushings and pets with diabetes describe conditions which normally =
affect an organism with immune suppression -yeast,staph, etc. The =
question is whether there are herpes virus involved in these conditions?
=
Has anyone checked out herpes in animals - I ran it by my vet once =
without satisfaction and Gretle did not show any problems at the time so
=
I never followed up. Most everything has corn in it now and I suspect =
Epstein Barr Virus (type of herpes in Mono) may be involved in some of =
the chronic fatigue diseases. So why not dogs/cats? and if so corn =
should be avoided.
chester
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:55:23 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pet Food & herpes
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Don't know about the herpes, but what dog food I feed Amaryllis makes
a
great deal of difference in her skin condition and arthritis. Also, she
had
that condition which happens sometimes in spayed females where pee dribbles
out when they're asleep. She had been on phenylpropalamine for that, but
finding the right dog food stopped the problem. I've only found one that
works for her, California Natural. Other "low-allergenic" dog
foods didn't
do the trick, who knows why? I'd encourage peopel to experiment with this.
At 11:39 AM 6/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
> I have been following the Saturday Evening Post WWW.satevepost.org
> I had tried to find food without a lot of corn for Gretle's diet
but now
>feed her the wd. So why not dogs/cats? and if so corn should
be
>avoided. chester
Susan Kuchinskas
http://www.sirius.com/~hautlynx/
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:55:13 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Progress of Terrible Ted
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Terrific news about Terrible Ted! We're very happy for you that
his
treatment was so successful.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:09:18 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Clea Update (adrenal tumor)
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Thought we might report about the setback Clea (our Queen of Hearts)
had
last Thursday (actually early a.m. Friday). Our vet said the setback she
experienced was, in part, the result of an unpredictable sudden surge in
the
cortisol levels in her body, and this is what might help to explain our
roller
coaster rides. Anyway, her heavy panting has stopped again, so the surge
must
be over.
In thinking about this, we remember another stage in Clea's life during
her pregnancy (10 years ago) when she had surges. We took her temperature
on a
daily basis to monitor the progress of her pregnancy. Even a difference
of one
degree meant something, and we were able to make adjustments and decisions
in
her daily care accordingly. Too bad that can't be done with surges in cortisol
levels.
Has anyone else heard of this "surge" thing? Or are we just
slow to pick
it up?
Just when we thought we were becoming experts in reading dog poop
(actigall: rainbow of colors; pepto-bismol: black) we have another color
to
deal with. Since last Thursday, Clea has had blood in her stool. Our vet
says
she might have an ulcer in her colon and that this is not unusual for dogs
with
kidney problems. Pepcid AC seems to be clearing it up.
Can anyone help us to understand how and why a dog with kidney problems
would get an ulcer in the colon? (Clea is on a very bland, low-protein
diet.)
Any advice, comments and/or guesses would be appreciated. Thanks.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:20:29 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:Jesse's update
Message-ID: <19980605.182031.6430.1.Write2Tom@juno.com>
Hi All,
I have been quietly reading this site for a while now and only posted
twice. Today I have to share the good news that our Jesse's condition
seems to be under control. Her ACTH test today showed her resting
reading at 1.5 and her reading after stimulation was 3.5! This is a real
improvement as her first figures were 10 and 30. We have gone through
two five-day loadings with 250mg Lysodren then one three-day loading with
375mg. This is such a happy day for us.
Jesse had actually gained half a pound since her last vet visit two weeks
ago! I am looking forward to some return of muscle tone in the next
months.
Hopefully her diabetes will be easier to control now that the Cushing's
is under control. She still reads high all day long and she receives 3
units of insulin three times a day.
I too have noticed that Jesse drinks a lot of water after her stim test
and my vets take on this is that she has probably always drunk a lot of
water after a stay at the vets but I never noticed until now. He said
that all the stress of being away from home always results in heavy
drinking upon return. Makes sense to me.
I feel very fortunate to have such good vets (two who work as a team)
and to have been able to find a vet with their own lab so that waiting
for test results is no longer necessary. At my old vet I actually had to
take samples to the lab across town to insure a quick result. I urge all
of you to TALK TO YOUR VET. Never have I picked Jesse up at the vet's
without a lengthy talk with the doctor. I ask questions, I ask for
printed information, I don't mind sounding overly concerned or ill
informed. I pay the vet for his knowledge and thankfully my vets want to
share their knowledge and to calm my fears and concerns. If any of you
are near Lexington, Ky. I will be glad to share the name of my vets.
Sorry to go on so, really just wanted to share the good news.
Tom, Jesse and Uta (the black mini-schnauzer with a portosystemic shunt)
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:17:19 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: write2tom@juno.com, owner-cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu,
cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:Jesse's update
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Tom,
That's really great news!! Sounds like you found a really good vet,
too. I
agree that it is really important to have a good "talking" relationship
with
the vet. It makes everything go more smoothly.
Anne and Targa ( also with both Cushing's and diabetes)
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 21:57:13 -0700
From: "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Blood in Stools
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My Scottie, MacTavish, had blood in his stools, not a lot, just a
noticeable amount of bloody mucus. My ex-husband, William Persky, has
joined as a subscriber to this list and I have asked him to post the
diet, the drug (an antibiotic) and the reasoning behind the treatment
that his Vet prescribed, it did clear up the condition. Keep your eye
peeled for it.
Keep the faith, Rosemary
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:19:38 EDT
From: DLowder25@aol.com
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Good News!
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Mollie Bear went back for yet another glucose check. Well, after six
weeks
it's FINALLY down below 300!! 212 in fact!
I knew last night that it would be better. She picked a "play"
fight with
her brother (who wasn't sure what to do--he'd forgotten how to play with
her).
And she was running around me and biting my ankles! I loved it. She was
so
adorable just bouncing around. It's the best she's felt in ages. And luckily
she's been more affectionate than ever (even pre-cushings).
Hope everyone sees how beautiful she is in the Gallery. That's my baby!
Debbie & Mollie Bear
P.S. I needed the good news too since my hockey team, the Dallas Stars
lost
their game last night. Bummer!
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:43:41 -0400
From: "Capa97" <Capa97@ix.netcom.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: The "Missing Link" supplement
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Would this be ok for a dog with diabeties & cushings.
Pat & Sammy
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> From: Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: The "Missing Link" supplement
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 11:55 AM
>
> You can buy the "Missing Link" supplement at Petco, or call
the
manufacturer
> at 800-774-7387. It costs between $15.99-$17.99 for a one pound bag
that
> lasts for 2 months for an average sized dog. You just scoop it into
their
> food.
>
> Here's the ingredients:
>
> Flax seed, sunflower seed, blackstrap molasses, rice bran, freeze dried
liver,
> primary dried yeast, dried alfalfa, freeze dried bone, dried carrot,
fish
> meal, freeze dried oyster, dried kelp, lechitin, spirulina, sprouted
green
> barley, yucca, garlic and nettle.
>
> Crude protein - not less than 18%
> Crude fat - not less than 23%
> Crude Fiber - not more than 10%
> Moisture - not more than 10%
>
> It's manufactured by Designing Health, inc. at 28310 Avenue Crocker,
Unit
G,
> Valencia, California 91355.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:08:20 EDT
From: LisaVann@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Fateful Decision RE: Neuter
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I don't usually hospitalize spays over night. I feel that since there
is no
one at the clinic all night, the dogs are better off at home being watched
by
their "parents". They can call me ( and they usually do) at night
if they feel
the dog is having a problem.
One thing that might be considered in Gretel's case is that after surgery
she
may not eat that well and may need to be on some fluids with dextrose and
electolytes. I would be inclined with her to send her to the emergency clinic
for post-op monitoring that first night after surgery. Incidentally, she
will
be groggy from her surgery, so she probably wouldn't be as nervous as usual.
Lisa