Cushing's Disease/Syndrome | Electronic Forum Digest 39

CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 39

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
2) Re: Our Samoyed
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
3) Re: Need more advice
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
4) Re: Anipryl Source
by DesignSue@aol.com
5) water intake and possible diabetes
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
6) Re: water intake and possible diabetes
by DFRS2@aol.com
7) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
8) On-Line Pet Catalog
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
9) Pet Catalogue
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
10) High ALKP
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
11) Re: High ALKP
by "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
12) Re: High ALKP
by DFRS2@aol.com
13) Re: Pet Catalogue
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
14) Re: High ALKP
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
15) Re: High ALKP and other stuff
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
16) Weakness in Back Legs
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
17) Re: Weakness in Back Legs
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
18) Re:Cushings and Boarding
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
19) Re: Weakness in Back Legs
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
20) Re:Cushings and Boarding
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
21) High ALKP
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
22) Re: Cushings and Boarding
by Danestuff@aol.com
23) Re:Cushings and Boarding
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
24) More Tests
by "DMac" <dmckenzie@provide.net>
25) Re: Cushings and Boarding
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
26) Re: Cushings and Boarding
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
27) Cushings Gallery
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
28) Re: Weakness in Back Legs
by DFRS2@aol.com
29) Re: High ALKP
by DFRS2@aol.com
30) Re[2]: Cushings and Boarding
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
31) Re: Cushings and Boarding
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
32) Re: Cushings Gallery
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
33) Caregiver burnout
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
34) RE: Caregiver burnout
by Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
35) Birthdays!!
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
36) Re: Cushings Gallery
by Debthg@aol.com
37) Re: Birthdays!!
by Debthg@aol.com
38) BIRTHDAY
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
39) Birthdays!!
by Marge Gagliardi <anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us>
40) 21st???
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
41) Vacations
by DLowder25@aol.com
42) Update on MacTavish
by "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
43) Punkin is having problems
by "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
44) Loose Stools
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
45) Re: Update on MacTavish
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
46) Re: Punkin is having problems
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
47) Re: Punkin is having problems
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
48) Re: Loose Stools
by Danestuff@aol.com
49) Re: Punkin
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
50) Re: Loose Stools
by "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
51) Anipryl to Lysodren
by alcck@mail.enter.net
52) CUSHNOID FRIEND
by Laurka@aol.com
53) Re: Anipryl to Lysodren
by Adrenal@aol.com
54) Re: Age and Cushings
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
55) Age of Cushings
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
56) Re: Loose Stools
by MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
57) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
58) Re: Loose Stools
by Danestuff@aol.com
59) Re: Age and Cushings
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
60) Re: Loose Stools
by "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
61) Loose stools
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
62) Re: CUSHNOID FRIEND
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
63) Re: Age and Cushings
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
64) Re: Age and Cushings
by Adrenal@aol.com
65) Re: Age and Cushings
by LisaVann@aol.com
66) HOT Weather
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
67) Cushing's Age
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
68) Water Intake
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
69) Re: Anipryl to Lysodren
by alcck@mail.enter.net
70) Lifespan of Anipryl
by "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
71) vaccines/ other preventives for Cushing's pets
by "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
72) Re: vaccines/ other preventives for Cushing's pets
by Danestuff@aol.com
73) Re: Caregiver burnout (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:32:59 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Larry, we are so dreadfully sorry to hear about Bubba, please know that our
prayers go out to you at this time, I know these words are no comfort right
now, but in time they will be, Bubba will be meeting our Sadie Sue at
Rainbow Bridge and they are having a great time, once again Larry, we are so
sorry. Jackie, Randy, Sunny, Saphir (Cat Sister) and of course Sadie Sue at
Rainbow Bridge.

At 11:54 PM 6/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
> I have lost my best friend, my pal, my buddy and my shadow
> all of which was Bubba an 8 year 10 month Golden Retriever.
>
> While I realize Bubba is now in Heaven I am selfishly devastated
> tearing as I write this, and pretending to remain a composed
> 62 year old MAN.
>
> During our relatively short period of time since I was told of the
> seriousness of this condition, cushings was diagnosed, etc.
> I spent over $1200 and listened to everyword of the vets (two
> on them) (and my fault)before I learned how stupid these vets
> were in handling or mishandling "my boy".
>
> I now have 6 Baytrill 68 mg
> 27 Lysoldren 500 mg
> 12 Presdnisone 10 mg
> 31 Bethanechol 10mg
>
> Hopefully, to help another little friend, pal, buddy, and/or
> shadow, these pills are available FREE to anyone who will
> e-mail me direct at oberaw@aol.com
>
> Thank you very much, and God Bless.
>
> PLEASE REMOVE BUBBA AND ME FROM YOUR MAILING
> LIST.
>
> LARRY (Bubba and Me)
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:32:04 -0400
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Our Samoyed
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Welcome to the list! Hopefully we can help during this difficult time.
Four years old is an unusual age for Cushings. When Kelso was first
diagnosed, I heard from a lady in California whose scottie lived 7 years
with Cushings after being diagnosed at a young age.

Good luck and stay in touch!!

Doreen

alcck@mail.enter.net on 06/13/98 05:11:35 PM

Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu

To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: Our Samoyed

Hi all,

We have joined this group as of yesterday, after receiving test
results for our 4 year old Samoyed, Casey. I performed some searches
for Cushings and found this site, and was immediately impressed with
the amount of information about the disease which is available.
It also is very emotional reading through the postings, sensing the
pain, the joy, the urgency, the support,,,,,

Anyway, our story, 9 months ago, we noticed some behavior problems
with Casey, who took a few snaps at our two kids, yes totally out of
character for him. He also had put on some weight over that same time
period and was quite lethargic. We ending up getting some blood work
(not the acth test) done, and the vet placed him on medication for
hypothyrodism and told us that he did not have cushing. The behavior
problem persisted and we ending up putting him on amytriptiline(?).

We were again told that he did not have Cushing, so we went with the
flow for a few months. His drinking seemed to increase, and my wife's
intuition persisted to the point that we got a second opinion. The
second opinion, included the ACTH sim test, with the results
indicating that Casey has cushing.

Sooo, we are at the beginning of this process, and God willing, hope to be
part of this group for a long time.

Craig & Donna & Ashley & Nathan & Casey

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:46:34 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Need more advice
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Sorry this was meant to go thru the cushings page, Marcia, our vet told us
that the baby should have 1oz of water for every pound in weight, but if it
is 7-10oz more for a short period of time then do not worry. But if it
stays at this rate for longer than a week say, then there is need to worry,
there could be other problems and you need to contact a good vet. That is
why it is VERY IMPORTANT to monitor the WATER INTAKE. I am not sure if
anybody else has heard this from there vet or not, but they should check if
they have not. Regards Sunny's Mum

>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:25:09 -0500
>To: marcia@nortexinfo.net
>From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
>Subject: Re: Need more advice
>
>Hello Marcia and Springer, the first thing not to do is deprive your baby
of water even tho she is peeing everywhere, are you not monitoring the
intake of water, did your vet not suggest that you keep tabs on the water
intake, he should have done, maybe your baby has something else wrong like a
throat infection or something, please change VETS if he is no good, your
baby comes first, not his HOLIDAY, please keep us posted, we are all with
you in this, our Sunny is still drinking lots of water and eating like she
has never had any food in her life, we are due at the vets again this week
for another ACTH test. Keep us posted on your babys condition. Hugs to
Springer from Sunny. Regards Jackie, Randy, Sunny, Saphir (Cat Sister) and
Sadie at Rainbow Bridge.
>
>At 06:12 PM 6/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hello everybody, I need more advice please. Springer my Brittany is
>>really drinking TONS of water. It has been getting worst for 7 days
>>now. I spoke to the vet yesterday and he wants her to finish the anyplr
>>15 mg. Springer has taken 38 pills(out of 60). She was doing OK. My
>>vet said that she will go up and down with this. SIGH!.
>>
>>You are right, I don't have much faith in this guy anymore. He started
>>his vacation today and that was all he could think of yesterday.
>>
>>What do you say??
>>
>>Do I need a different VET?
>>
>>Change medication?
>>
>>How much water should she get in a hour? She weighs 35 lbs BEFORE the
>>water intake. She is peeing EVERYWHERE, it is to HOT for her to go
>>outside. Her skin seems slow when I checked for Dehedration. We are in
>>North Texas between Okla Line and Dallas.
>>
>>Should I just let her guzzle water.. She is also panting.
>>
>>Thanks for all your help!!!
>>
>>Marcia Miner and Springer
>>
>>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:18:44 EDT
From: DesignSue@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl Source
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Another note re: anipryl. After the posting in the group, I did order from:

Lambriar Animal Health Care (1-800-344-6337 phone or Dlambert@lambriarvet.com)

and I am very pleased to have received 2 packages of 30 mg/ 30 tabs of Anipryl
at $63 per pack.

If anyone is interested, I spoke to Mr. Lambert who is now carrying Anipryl in
5 strengths: 2mg, 5mg, 10mg, 15mg, and 30mg at prices from 46.75 to 63.00 per
mo. This is someone whose prices are good for all of us- I haven't heard of
anything less. I had to get the prescription from the vet, and mail it in.

I just hope the Anipryl keeps working for Spenser (and all you guys using it).
Good luck to all.-----Susan Genden

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1988 00:55:06 -0400
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: water intake and possible diabetes
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Bo has been drinking increasing amounts of water over the last month.
Just had another ACTH stim test done, and the results show his cortisol
level is lower than it was before, so it does not appear to be a
Cushings symptom. The vet thinks he may have diabetes now, he is doing
further tests. We are trying the list suggestion of using distilled
water. However, Bo tries like the dickens to get to puddles of rain
water in the back yard, or the toilet on the first floor, rather than
the water in his bowl. He has to go out a couple of times in the middle
of the night.

Other than the water drinking, he seems fine in terms of behavior and
energy. While the water intake is up significantly, it isn't near as bad
as it was when he was first diagnosed with Cushings.

In the meantime, my partner and I are leaving on a month-long trip to
Russia. We have a trusted friend staying at the house and taking care of
our two dogs (Bo and Gordie) and three cats (Puddie, K.C. and Max). Of
course, we have also notified the vet and are leaving all kinds of
emergency instructions. As of Wednesday, I will have to temporarily
remove myself from the list until our return.

I would appreciate it if before Wednesday, some of the list members
whose dogs also have diabetes would share some expertise with me.

Thank you,
Judy

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:12:55 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: jhart@cynet.net, Muffin@esosoft.com, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: water intake and possible diabetes
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Judy and Bo:

Well, first you need a definite diagnosis. My lab, Rosie, has Cushing's and
Diabetes together. We are just so-o-o-o-o special! It is somewhat of a
juggling act for us. We do not do ear sticks but monitor her urine twice a
day prior to feeding her and giving her a shot. The purpose of the urine test
is to check the urine for glucose. Of course my vet started us out on a
particular insulin dose and depending on how the urine test read we either
increase or decrease the insulin. If she has several tests in the medium to
dark range (5-6) I increase her insulin by 1-2 units and leave it at that dose
for a couple days to see if she levels out. If her urine test is negative, I
decrease her insulin by either 10% or 1 unit.

Rosie's glucose is now getting easier to track. That comes with experience
with your own pet. Each one is different. The one thing I have noticed after
being on the Muffin list with people whose pets are diabetic, I believe
Cushing's makes Rosie harder to regulate. Maybe that is just Rosie, but you
might watch for that if Bo does turn out to have diabetes.

Today, we increase Rosie's Lysodren to try to control the high blood glucose
and hindleg weakness she has been experiencing. Keep your fingers crossed.
Also, our middle son is getting married this week and we have to leave town
for several days. This will be the first time we have left Rosie since the
first of March. It is a concern for me because the stress of us being gone is
what brought on her Cushing's. Last year, we traveled on weekends a lot on
golf trips and each trip took a harder toll on her. We will have someone
great taking care of her, but it is a concern anyway.

There is also a list for Cushing's PETS if you are interested. I am on both.
Not sure which one you posted from actually. I will post this response in
both lists so I don't miss you.

Sorry I rambled, good luck with Bo. Keep us posted on his diagnosis and
progress. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

Judy (what a great name!) and Rosie (I will miss my Mommy)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:04:16 -0000
From: "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: BUBBA AND ME
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Really sorry to hear about Bubba!

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Scottee Meade <Scottee@huskynet.com> 'Tee Party Bostons
Canine Behavior Consultant Burke, VA
Member, Association of Pet Dog Trainers and Old Dominion Kennel Club
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:58:32 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: On-Line Pet Catalog
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980617135832.0107b734@email.uah.edu>
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>Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:23:59 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
>Subject: On-Line Pet Catalog
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>
> When we were watching animal planet last night on the television, low
> and behold a commercial for an on-line pet catalog came on. I just
> checked it out and they have all sorts of stuff on it. They have
> shampoos (Tea Tree, Oatmeal, Medicated and others), Prescription
> Medicines (Although the Lysodren is $3.99 - they say they'll beat
> others prices), Flea and Tick Control and for us with urination
> problems (of course none of us need to know this - but I'll say it
> anyway) they have Stain and Odor Control products. Anyway to get to
> the point it is called Pet Med Express and their address is
>
> http://www.petmedexpress.com
>
> You can order on-line with them or get their catalog in a number of
> ways. Just thought I would let some of you know about this.
>
> Randy (Sunny's Daddy), Jackie (Sunny's Mummy), SUNNY (Jackie and
> Randy's Baby Girlie), Saphir (Sunny's Cat Sister and Jackie and
> Randy's Little Bitty Kitty) and of course Sadie (Sunny's Sister gone
> to Rainbow Bridge and Jackie and Randy's Baby who is sorely missed)
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:46:23 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Pet Catalogue
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Jackie....

Thanx for the info!! We've just about bought out Foster & Smith!!
How's little Sunny doing?

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:48:27 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: High ALKP
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Does anyone here know what a high alkaline phosphatase level is
indicative of?? Schonus' cholesterol is also sky high...anyone else
experiencing this?

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:21:03 -0000
From: "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: High ALKP
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According to Wendy Volhard, "Blood cholesterol levesl tend to be inversely
related to thyroid function.
"Decreased levels are found in an overactive thyroid gland.
"Increased levesls can occur when there is obstruction in the bile duct,
kidney disease, dietary intake, diabetes mellitus, an overactive adrenal
gland and an underactive thyroid gland."

"Alkaline Phosphatase--SAP is an enzyme found in high concentration in the
liver and bone....
"Increased levels indicate obstruction or congestive liver disease,
overactive adrenal glands and drug treatments including steroids,
anticonvulsants and barbiturates."

I would expect Cushings dogs to have elevated levels of cholesterol and Alk
Phos.

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Scottee Meade <Scottee@huskynet.com> 'Tee Party Bostons
Halley, 12-1/2 years old, 1 year with Cushings Burke, VA
Member, Association of Pet Dog Trainers and Old Dominion Kennel Club
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:18:57 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: High ALKP
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Linda and Schous:

High Alk Phos and high Blood Glucose is a sign of Cushing's Disease....that is
the only time I have heard of it being referred to in any way. Hope this
helps.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:19:46 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pet Catalogue
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Hello Linda, I am glad we could be of help . Sunny is due for another ACTH
Stim test tomorrow, but I am not sure if I want her to go thru it, her sore
throat does not seem to have cleared up and she has had two lots of
antibiotics but her pads are much better, we shall see what he says tomorrow
morning, thanks for asking. Hugs to Schonus. Jackie and Family

At 06:46 PM 6/17/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Jackie....
>
>Thanx for the info!! We've just about bought out Foster & Smith!!
>How's little Sunny doing?
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:38:11 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: High ALKP
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On Jun 17, 6:48pm, L Boyce wrote:
> Subject: High ALKP
> Does anyone here know what a high alkaline phosphatase level is
> indicative of?? Schonus' cholesterol is also sky high...anyone else
> experiencing this?
>
> Linda & Schonus
>
>-- End of excerpt from L Boyce
Dr. Smith once told us that dog's cholesterol numbers are quite a bit higher
than humans.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:11:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: High ALKP and other stuff
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First, a note to let y'all know I'm back from DC. Quite an eventful trip
given the dramatic weather.

I came back from DC with an extra piece of carry-on luggage: my sister's
cat. We're now a *gulp* four kitty household. I know, I know.... I can't
believe I've done it either, but it needed to be done. The poor little
girl was so lonely (her kitty buddy ran away, presumably to die, the same
day our Missy died), and my sister was moving and simply couldn't keep
her. We're still going through the adjustment phase--Schatze seems to not
understand that she's the newcomer. She behaves as if the other kitties
are invading her space! I'm sure they'll all be fast friends very soon,
and Schatze is as sweet and loving as she could possible be.

In response to Linda's question:

High alkaline phosphatase is indicative of Cushing's. High cholesterol,
too, goes hand in hand with long-term Cushing's.

On another note, the talk of sore throats in some of our Cushing's pups
leads me to believe that I missed an early signal of Missy's Cushing's. I
took her to our vet (the one who missed the Cushing's diagnosis even in
the face of all of the classic, unmistakable symptoms) several times
because I thought she had a sore throat, well before her other symptoms
set in. In retrospect, I'm sure it was related to her disease. Ah, live
and learn.

Wanted to let y'all know that Judy Hart (as in Judy and Bo) has
signed off the list while she is on an extended trip to Russia--poor thing
;-) She'll rejoin when she returns.

Finally, check out the newest addition to the Cushing's gallery: Doreen's
cuties, Kelso and Blair. Kelso (on the left in the picture) is the cushy
one. I had the pleasure of meeting the pups last weekend. They're both
adorable, energetic dogs. Other than his girth, you'd never guess that
Kelso was anything other than perfectly healthy!

Hope all is well with each of you,

Leslie

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:32:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Weakness in Back Legs
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On June 12th Judy (& Rosie) posted:

Sweetie's test results were OK except for thyroid which she is now taking
satisfactorily, but her back legs have never regained power. She shoves
off her front legs when she wants to get up or move.

In trying to address the hind legs' weakness, I have kept up our nightly
walks, increasing their length and duration over time, as she has grown
seemingly stronger. She has also been on a diet for months, to relieve
stress on the legs. I encourage her to climb up three flights of steps
daily, but I carry her down. I massage her legs and "knees" in the morning
and at night. She takes glucosamine chondroitin daily. She runs around the
back yard for about an hour or two total each day (or should I say lies
around).

My question: Am I missing anything? Is there something else I can try to
build up the muscles? Does this continuing weakness indicate that, despite
good test results, she is not responding to Anipryl?

Best wishes to all for a healthy, loving and DRY weekend. It has rained
every day in Illinois for about three weeks now!

Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier
jk@bradley.bradley.edu

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:48:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Weakness in Back Legs
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Jenny and others-

My understanding is that the weakness associated with Cushing's isn't
exclusively (or even mostly!) from muscle weakness. Someone do step in
and correct me if I'm wrong, but our vet said that--at least in Melissa's
case--much of what looked like weakness was ligament and tendon
deterioration as well as unmasked arthritis.

Our vet had us stop walks all together as it was worsening her particular
problems. I certainly suggest talking the relative benefits of exercise
over with your vet. But, it sounds like you have found the right formula
for Sweetie since you're getting results from giving her additional--or
continued--relatively high level of exercise!

Relatedly, what a great suggestion Linda had about putting shelf liner on
linoleum floors!! Boy of boy could we have used that with Missy!! She,
like most of our pups, loved to lie on the linoleum, but we ended up
having to block off all tiled spaces in the house while we were at work
during the day because we kept returning home from work only to find Missy
trapped and unable to get up from the slick surface.

And please send some of that rain down to drought-fraught Texas!!

-Leslie

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:51:17 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:Cushings and Boarding
Message-ID: <19980618.185120.14174.0.Write2Tom@juno.com>

Question: I have to be out of town for 12 hours and have tried, but can
find no one to come by and give Jesse her mid-day insulin and meal. This
means I will have to board both the girls at the vets for two days as
there is no Sunday release. I see frequently messages here about stress
and it's affect on Cushings dogs. The girls have been boarded but once
and were pretty crazy after three days away from home. Anyone have any
difficulty with Cushings dogs after their boarding? Jesse is a very
brittle 7 year old mini Schnauzer who peaks and spikes all day long. Uta
is the 2 year old with a portosystemic shunt and nurse to Jesse so they
will be kenneled together in an indoor air-conditioned kennel with a
twenty-four hour care taker.
If you can find the question in all of this and have any feed back I
would appreciate it.

Tom, Jesse and Uta RN

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:57:31 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
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Jenny Kellstedt wrote:
> My question: Am I missing anything? Is there something else I can try to
> build up the muscles?

If you can find someone skilled in Chinese medicine, that might be
one approach that can help. My Great Dane with Cushings also has
degenerative myelapothy and Wobblers, so his back end was quite
weak, and there clearly was muscle wasting. There is one
spot on one back leg that stills needs work, but the muscles
in general look much better, his back is much stronger, his
rear legs are much stronger, etc. I can't say that it would
work for your particular dog, but it might be something to
look into.
Jeri

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:06:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:Cushings and Boarding
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Hi Tom-

In addition to the stress of a boarding situation, you post made me wonder
about the increased susceptibility of Cushinoid pups to infection. Anyone
else have any thoughts or information on that?

Best wishes for finding good care arrangements for Jesse and Uta! Do know
that if I lived anywhere near you, I'd babysit for you. Which brings up a
good question--where are you? Perhaps there is someone on the list who
could help.

-Leslie

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Thomas D Johnston wrote:

> Question: I have to be out of town for 12 hours and have tried, but can
> find no one to come by and give Jesse her mid-day insulin and meal. This
> means I will have to board both the girls at the vets for two days as
> there is no Sunday release. I see frequently messages here about stress
> and it's affect on Cushings dogs. The girls have been boarded but once
> and were pretty crazy after three days away from home. Anyone have any
> difficulty with Cushings dogs after their boarding? Jesse is a very
> brittle 7 year old mini Schnauzer who peaks and spikes all day long. Uta
> is the 2 year old with a portosystemic shunt and nurse to Jesse so they
> will be kenneled together in an indoor air-conditioned kennel with a
> twenty-four hour care taker.
> If you can find the question in all of this and have any feed back I
> would appreciate it.
>
> Tom, Jesse and Uta RN
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:29:02 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi everyone!

Thanks so much for the info on the high alkaline phosphatase and
cholesterol. Now I'm just wondering.....shouldn't something be done
about this???? I realize that all this is Cushings related but all this
Cushing's stuff has gotten me to the point of whenever I see something
elevated, I want to treat it NOW before it gets out of hand. Does this
get treated or does it get better as the Cushing's gets under control???

Sorry if I'm sounding a little stressed but between fighting another
staph infection, colitis and waiting for LDDST test results and now
finding out that something else might be "going on".....I want to nip it
before it gets out of hand.

Again, thanks for the info!!

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:58:25 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 6/18/1998 7:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu writes:

<< Which brings up a
good question--where are you? Perhaps there is someone on the list who
could help. >>

Leslie,

My thoughts exactly. I'd be happy to help out if Tom is nearby.

Jackie
(Winter Park, FL)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:10:03 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re:Cushings and Boarding
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I am the owner of a boarding kennel and have boarded Cushing's dogs many
times. The only problem I have ever had was a diabetic/Cushing's dog who
wouldn't eat. I ended up taking him to the animal hospital where he could
be monitored by a vet. The stress of boarding is hard on any dog--even
healthy ones--but most dogs learn to tolerate boarding if they know they
will be going home. I suggest a couple of short stays (an hour or 2) to
let the dog know you will be back. Dogs do not understand the concept of
the passage of time--that is why they are ecstatic when you return after an
hour or several days. The temperament of the dog will tell you a lot about
how they will tolerate boarding. The clingy, mommy's babies usually have a
tough time while the more independent ones take to boarding easily. I
specialize in pampering the boarding dogs so there are very few dogs that I
do not board. I will be honest with owners and suggest they find a dog
sitter if their dog absolutely will not accept living in a kennel. In 17
years, that amounts to 4 dogs.

By the way, my kennel is open on Sundays so people are able to pick up
their pets. Someone has to be there to care for them anyway so we try to
make it convenient for owners and have an hour in the morning and an hour
in the evening to pick up or drop off pets.

Janice & Annie
----------
> From: Thomas D Johnston <write2tom@juno.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re:Cushings and Boarding
> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 5:51 PM
>
> Question: I have to be out of town for 12 hours and have tried, but can
> find no one to come by and give Jesse her mid-day insulin and meal. This
> means I will have to board both the girls at the vets for two days as
> there is no Sunday release. I see frequently messages here about stress
> and it's affect on Cushings dogs. The girls have been boarded but once
> and were pretty crazy after three days away from home. Anyone have any
> difficulty with Cushings dogs after their boarding? Jesse is a very
> brittle 7 year old mini Schnauzer who peaks and spikes all day long. Uta
> is the 2 year old with a portosystemic shunt and nurse to Jesse so they
> will be kenneled together in an indoor air-conditioned kennel with a
> twenty-four hour care taker.
> If you can find the question in all of this and have any feed back I
> would appreciate it.
>
> Tom, Jesse and Uta RN
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:36:35 -0400
From: "DMac" <dmckenzie@provide.net>
To: <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: More Tests
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Hi,

I wrote a few weeks ago about my Higgens, an 80 pound 10 year old
Golden, with we think Cushings.

He has had a few more tests, Bile Acids, Cholesterol, and Thyroid.
Seems the Thyroid also indicates that the Pituitary is not working
correctly either. Several results OK, but the one that tests what
the pituitary thinks the thyroid is doing is off.

I had been told that even though the ACHT test indicated abnormal
results on the 8 hour test, that the test is about 30 percent false
positive, so he may or may not have it.

At any rate, I was wondering how many out there have dogs
with both Cushings and Thyroid problems.

Thanks....Donna

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Cushings.   He has had a few more tests, Bile Acids, =
Cholesterol, and Thyroid. Seems the Thyroid also indicates that the =
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but the one that tests what the pituitary thinks the thyroid is doing =
is off. I had been told that even though the ACHT test indicated =
abnormal results on the 8 hour test, that the test is about 30 =
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:37:55 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings and Boarding
Message-ID: <19980618.213756.14174.2.Write2Tom@juno.com>

Leslie, thanks for the offer but I think a trip to the Bluegrass area of
Kentucky might prove a minor inconvenience to you. After talking this
over with a friend I am trying to be more sensible about this boarding
thing. After all this is my vet's office and the dogs will be in the
"hospital" kennel where they assure me all is quite. The girls will be
able to be together and both are calm (though Uta is slightly crazy in a
genteel Southern lady sort of way) and patient dogs. Plus, forgive me
for saying this, it might do me good to have two days to myself. I work
six days a week and it seems most of my time is now taken up by the dogs.
Love them, I do, but two days of rest might be nice. Right, like I won't
worry.
Janice, I have spoken to many friends who tell me that they would love to
have a kennel with shortened hours on Sunday so they could pick up their
pets. My vet just will not release on Sunday though there is a full time
intern(?) who lives in the building. Oh, well. Better at the vet's
kennel than any other kennel in town. My first attraction to this vet
clinic was the fact that they would board, but only their patients. Then
I found they were very knowledgeable about Diabetes and Cushings and
treat many animals with both conditions. The real plus is that I like and
trust both doctors...so I should just shut up and do as they say is best.
It's so simple when you write it down, isn't it.
Thanks again for the offers and the advice.

Tom, Jesse and Uta(maybe she's just quirky)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:30:02 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings and Boarding
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Hi everyone,

I am very interested in this discussion because it's something I'm going
to have to deal with next month. I have a 4 day family reunion out of
town that I'd really like to go to (but I'm only going to go for 2
nights). Vincent has never been boarded in his 11 years. I usually
leave him with family, but they're all going to the reunion! I did have
a pet sitter come in to walk him for 3 days 3 years ago, and he seemed
to get along all right, but now I think I'd rather leave him at a
kennel. I'm thinking that way he'll have new smells and sights (not
sounds, he's deaf) to keep him from thinking about how lonely he is like
he might if he was home alone. He is kind of the clingy sort, but not
*too* bad. I wasn't even going to go at all, but then last December I
had to leave him at the vet's overnight for his Cushing's test and an
ear cleaning, and they said he did okay - just slept most of the time
and wasn't too stressed, so I thought maybe it'd be okay. I think it's
important to give the leash to the caretaker and let them take him away
instead of *me* putting him in the kennel and leaving. I'm going to
leave him there several times over the next month, building up the time
each time so he knows that I'll come back for him, like Janice
suggested. I'm nervous, but I think it will be okay. One thing I tell
everyone who gets a puppy - take them to the kennel periodically whether
you need to or not to get them used to it so when you *need* to they
won't be stressed.

Anyone else have any experience in this area?

Sandy and Vincent

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:28:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushings Gallery
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How can I get a picture of my dog on the Cushings gallery?

Jan Glover, Seattle WA
Dudley, My cushings Dog

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:05:24 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Weakness in Back Legs
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Jenny and Sweetie:

Thanks for your response to my post about Rosie. You have some good ideas I
will try to incorporate into our routine. I will watch for other pointers
should you get any more from the list.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:22:07 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Linda and Schous:

I would think the High Alk comes more under control as you treat the
Cushing's, but I am relying on my common sense. Next time I see my vet I will
ask him about it and let you know. Thanks for raising the question.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:16:55 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Cushings and Boarding
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>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:11:47 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re[2]: Cushings and Boarding
>
>
>
> Tom -- We boarded our Sunny with a Vet that did not have Sunday
pickup,
>but with insistance they allowed us to pick her up. We even offered to pay
for
>the Sunday boarding even with them allowing us to pick her up on Sunday. We
>told them we would happily come at **THEIR** convenience no matter the time of
>day. They relented and let us pick her up when their person came in to feed.
>We paid in advance and everything was alright. Everytime we boarded in the
>future there was no problem. Why don't you ask? Asking with a little
>insistence never hurts.
>
>Randy (Sunny's Dad)and Jackie (Sunny's Mummy)
>
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>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>Date: 6/18/98 6:51 PM
>
>
>Question: I have to be out of town for 12 hours and have tried, but can
>find no one to come by and give Jesse her mid-day insulin and meal. This
>means I will have to board both the girls at the vets for two days as
>there is no Sunday release. I see frequently messages here about stress
>and it's affect on Cushings dogs. The girls have been boarded but once
>and were pretty crazy after three days away from home. Anyone have any
>difficulty with Cushings dogs after their boarding? Jesse is a very
>brittle 7 year old mini Schnauzer who peaks and spikes all day long. Uta
>is the 2 year old with a portosystemic shunt and nurse to Jesse so they
>will be kenneled together in an indoor air-conditioned kennel with a
>twenty-four hour care taker.
>If you can find the question in all of this and have any feed back I
>would appreciate it.
>
>Tom, Jesse and Uta RN
>
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:37:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings and Boarding
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Tom-

I'd love an excuse to visit KY again--such a lovely place with such very
warm memories. My dad was stationed at Ft. Campbell at the beginning of
my adolescence, and then at Blue Grass Army Depot (Lexington) while I was
in college. Sadly, as much as I'd love to come visit the rolling hills
and endless white picket fences, I'll defer to the good care Jesse and
Uta will certainly receive at the hands of your vet.

Tom, you bring up a great point that hasn't yet been raised: the need for
a break from caregiver duties. Taking care of a Cushy can be full-time
work in and of itself. When coupled with paid employment or maintaining a
household, it can be downright overwhelming!! I'm so happy that you
recognize that and are taking advantage of this opportunity for a break.
We should all try to do this whenever we can, as we're better caretakers
when we're well ourselves.

Drop us a note next week and let us know how the babes do at "the resort".

-Leslie

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:45:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings Gallery
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Great question, Jan. I'll answer publicly so everyone knows.

All you have to do is send me (lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu) an electronic
copy of a picture (scanned as .jpg, .tiff, or .gif). Or, if you don't
have the capacity to scan, just pop a photo in the US mail to me to the
address below. If you'd like the photo returned, enclose a self-addressed
stamped envelope. Be sure to also include your name, your pup's name,
birthdate, date of diagnosis, and where you're from.

Speaking of birthdays, today is my kitty Buckwheat's big number 11. You'd
hardly know it though, given the way she was bouncing around like a kitten
this morning.

-Leslie

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Robert Glover wrote:

> How can I get a picture of my dog on the Cushings gallery?
>
> Jan Glover, Seattle WA
> Dudley, My cushings Dog
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:48:45 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Caregiver burnout
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I'll admit a feeling of guilty relief when Ivan died. We had decided that we
could no longer take any vacations away from him due to the increasing amount
of attention he required. We didn't want to board him because of the stress.
My sister had stayed at our house on several occasions, but that was more
because she loved him almost as much as we did. But a full-time job eliminated
her as a candidate.

It's hard. Getting a couple of days off, for whatever reason, seems to make
the rest of the year a little easier.

Finding a good petsitter is a godsend. We have a neighbor who will visit
Bonnie and Toby, but we couldn't ask her to take care of Ivan.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Hell hath no fury like root.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:52:52 -0600
From: Jude Fine <jfine@novatel.ca>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Caregiver burnout
Message-ID: <71EF2C533A9BD11187FF006097DF4008513200@ntsrv004.corp.novatel.ca>

I'm really glad to read these discussions. I haven't been home to visit my
parents (2,500 miles away) in over 4 years ... I am determined to get there this
September, for my mom's birthday, but am already in panic mode, with 1 diabetic
dog, and 1 diabetic-cushnoid dog at home. Somehow, I will work this out, but it
really helps to read of others in the same boat ... I haven't been away from
home for more than 6 hours in almost two years ... it does get tough, sometimes,
to have a life :-)

Jude

Jude Fine
Senior Canine Rescue Society
jfine@novatel.ca; olddoglady@writeme.com
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/9703/
"Hug an Old Dog Today"

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:20:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Birthdays!!
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I've learned that not only is it my glamour kitty's birthday, but
it is also the 20th birthday of Garfield, as well as the 42nd of our very
own Dillon Pyron.

Happy Birthday, Dillon! You don't look a day over 50. Truthfully,
Dillon's just about the youngest, spryest looking old guy I've
ever met. ;-)

-Leslie
(who better be careful with the teasing, seeing as her very own major
milestone birthday is all too rapidly approaching)

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:58:12 EDT
From: Debthg@aol.com
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Subject: Re: Cushings Gallery
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BUCKWHEAT !!!!!

love,
Debby and Buddy

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:05:08 EDT
From: Debthg@aol.com
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY GARFIELD AND DILLON !!!!!!!!!!!

love,
Debby and Buddy

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:30:23 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: BIRTHDAY
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY DILLON, HUGS AND LICKS FROM JACKIE, RANDY, SUNNY, SAPHIR AND
SADIE AT RAINBOW BRIDGE

Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:18:17 -0700
From: Marge Gagliardi <anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Birthdays!!
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Happy Birthday Buckwheat(what a great name) - 11 more great ones!
Happy Birthday Dillon and many, many more! Share your cake and ice cream
with the new pup.
Marge - anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:01:26 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: 21st???
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Okay Leslie.....Fess Up!!! When's your 21st birthday? You knew
somebody would ask!!

Linda

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:45:50 EDT
From: DLowder25@aol.com
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Vacations
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It is difficult to get away when you have a cushings/diabetic dog. The
stress on them and the stress of worrying about them makes you think twice
before going.
My folks just came out for a visit and we went out to Jackson
Hole/Yellowstone for 3 days. When I called my regular kennel person I was
surprised to hear her say that she had already talked to my (and her) vet
about Mollie Bear. They had already made arrangements of what to do if Mollie
wouldn't eat and she couldn't get her insulin etc. I couldn't believe it!
I was so relieved and really touched too.
When we got back, Mollie Bear was great and Debby (my kennel person) hadn't
had any problems giving the insulin. She said she had been worried about it
but everything went fine.
Hope everyone finds such a great kennel as I have. It will certainly make
another trip easier to plan. Debbie & Mollie Bear

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:43:20 -0700
From: "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Update on MacTavish
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The news is good! After only 1.5 days on a Lysodren "loading" phase
which translates into 1.5 pills, potentcy unknown, Mac is now on his
maintainance dose of one day dosage a week! Seems too soon in light of
all the the stories you've all told. The actual statistics of his
before and after results I don't have. If you'll recall, he is in the
custody of my ex and I get my news second hand (not direct from the
doctor). I will be calling the doctor next week to see if I can get the
info I want. My ex has desubscribed from this list - "clogs up his
email doesn't have the time to read" CAN'T BELEIVE I LEFT MY DOGS WITH
HIM!!! Otherwise we have a good post divorce relationship.

Mac's hair loss is growing back as well. The hair loss was the tipoff to
me that something was amiss, ex just thought it was another sign of age.
I had relayed to the ex the info I was gleaning from your stories and
asked him to inquire about diabetes and if she (the Dr) had tested for
it. According to his account, the Dr had an opinion about the internet
and the info people get from it and the amount of time she spends
addressing information and misinforamation folks obtain from the net -
not a good attitude for a Dr in my book. An informed owner is a better
owner and the fact that the owner can then discuss a broader scope of
issues with the Dr is even better! Then the discussion on diabetes came
up and she relayed that part of his blood tests did include a glucose
review and a thyroid check and they are fine. This Dr gets high marks
for pooch bedside manner, but not very high marks for informing the
owner of the ramifications of a Cushings diagnosis. I can't even get my
ex to ask her how many Cushings patience she has treated!!!

Regarding the issues asked earlier about blood in the stools which Mac
was afflicted with, I know he was on an antibiotic but not which one and
the ex has tossed the prescription but said he would contact the Vet and
find out so I could post it on this site. The ex will also email the
stats on Mac for me to post.

I took Mac and Isis (shiba) for a walk last night, part of the Mommy
visits, and he made it for 75% of the up/down hill 1 - 2 mile stroll
thru the hills of suburban San Diego!!! Now that he weighs only 22
pounds, carrying him uphill for 1/4 mile is not as tough as it used to
be!

TTFN Rosemary

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:47:45 -0500
From: "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
To: "cushing's list" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Punkin is having problems
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I just spoke to my parents who informed me that Punkin is spending the
weekend with Dr. Tina at the vet hospital. She's been on Anipryl for 29
days and on Thursday night decided to have loose stools. Made several
messes, one of them being in her crate and she NEVER makes a mess in her
crate. Mom took her yesterday afternoon to see Dr. Tina and she wanted to
keep Punkin over the weekend to observe her. I guess my question is the
loose bowel problem tied to the Anipryl? At 29 days, I thought that this
wouldn't be a side effect of the medication. Punkin seemed to feel fine
other than the above problem...barking at the wind, cars, a leaf blowing
across the yard. She wasn't asking for more water that what they give her
every day and her food intake was normal...any ideas out there? I'm getting
ready to e-mail Dr. Tina to see if I can get any additional information from
her on Punkin. Please keep Punkin in your thoughts; she's been doing so
well on the Anipryl and seemed to be coming around, I hate to see her take a
step backwards.

Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:15:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Loose Stools
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Michelle, my Dudley did the same thing. He had been on Anipryl for a while
before he had loose stools. One cup of white rice mixed with his food for a
couple of days solved the problem. No loose stools anymore. Dudley has now
been on Anipryl for about 2 1/2 months now. He seems to be doing fine!

Jan Glover, Seattle, Wa
Dudley, my Cushings dog

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:19:23 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update on MacTavish
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Glad to hear that things are going well for Mac! As far as the vet's
opinions on internet lists....phooey! If it weren't for this list in
particular I don't think I could dealt with Boomer's Cushings as well as I
am. Maybe the vet should subscribe to this list or one similar to it for a
while before just dismissing them. Just MHO.

-- Liza and Boomer

Rosemary G. Blascetta wrote:

> The news is good! ....

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:23:21 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Punkin is having problems
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Michelle,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and Punkin. I don't have any advice for
you as Boomer is on Lysodren, but I know how you feel about setbacks. I find
myself scrutinizing everything Boomer does, wondering if I might be seeing
something out of the norm. It's so hard because they can't "talk" to us. We
have to learn to interpret their behaviour, which can be tricky sometimes.

-- Liza and Boomer

Chris and Michelle Dauten wrote:

> I just spoke to my parents who informed me that Punkin is spending the
> weekend with Dr. Tina at the vet hospital. She's been on Anipryl for 29
> days and on Thursday night decided to have loose stools. ....

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:31:04 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Punkin is having problems
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Penny was on Anipryl for 8 months when she developed the same problem
and vomiting with it. We ended up taking her off the anipryl for a week
, giving her prednisone for 3 days and then back on a reduced amount of
anipryl. She is doing great now. Have faith. It might be just that the
anipryl is supressing too much and needs a reduction in dose.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:02:58 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Loose Stools
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In a message dated 6/20/1998 11:16:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rglove19@idt.net writes:

<< One cup of white rice mixed with his food for a
couple of days solved the problem. >>

If white rice doesn't work, try brown. When I give Jessie white rice,
it gives her the worst diarrhea, but brown rice helps to settle her tummy.

Jackie

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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:58:58 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Punkin
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You also mentioned Punkin's barking at a leaf, the wind, etc. I don't
remember how old Punkin is, but my almost-12-yr-old Sam lost some
hearing around the same time she was diagnosed with Cushing's. She now
barks more than she did, maybe because she's not sure if she hears
something she feels she should alert about. (Think her hearing loss came
from a perforated ear drum following a foxtail in her ear; be careful!
It's foxtail season, at least here in California.)
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com
Sam, 11-11/12 yr old Akita, diagnosed (pituitary) 3/98
On 750 mg Lysodren weekly

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:40:25 -0000
From: "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Loose Stools
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I've used a spoonful of canned pumpkin mixed with dry food for loose stools
in dogs.

Once when I was at a dog show in the middle of nowhere with a dog with
shooting diarrhea (from Ditrim, an antibiotic), I bought some mashed
potatoes (plain) from the lunch vendor--that did the trick! Just when I
thought we were going to have to find an emergency clinic, the diarrhea
stopped!

----------------
Scottee Meade <Scottee@huskynet.com> 'Tee Party Bostons
Canine Behavior Consultant Burke, VA
Member, Association of Pet Dog Trainers and Old Dominion Kennel Club
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:45:59 4
From: alcck@mail.enter.net
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: alcck@enter.net
Subject: Anipryl to Lysodren
Message-ID: <199806210043.UAA10744@mail.enter.net>

Well for starters, I ordered 40 mg of anipryl from Lambriar for
Casey, and saved about $40.00 per month over the price which we
would have to pay for the presciption at the vet. Wish I could
split the 30 mg pills three ways, instead of ordering 30mg plus
10 mg pills.

We will start the medication this coming Wednesday or as soon as the
Anipryl arrives. The test results for Casey (Our Samoyed), had an
ALP reading of 186, which is well within the tolerance for normal dogs.
With this reading our Vet got a second opinion from a specialist.
They determined that Casey is part of the 1 to 2 percent of the dog
population who have Cushings but have a normal ALP reading.
From reading information about the cushings it seemed apparent that
Cushings equals a high ALP which is correct only for 98 to 99 percent
of the cases.

Another invalid assumption that I made from reading information about
Anipryl is that it is a life long medication. Casey is a relatively
young dog. Actually tomorrow is his birthday, he will be four. He
will be getting a Blue Berry muffin with a candle on it, and if he
has his way he'll eat both,,, plus the muffin paper. The reality
will be that Casey will be on Anipryl until it becomes ineffective
which will be from 2 to 5 years. This is not dose dependent either.
After the 2 to 5 years, then we will have to switch to lysodren.

I inquired if there have been any studies for dogs which had been on
Anipryl for an extended time period who had then switched to Lysodren.
Anyone know of any studies for this switch? Seems like the
combination of a younger dog who has the possibility of being on the
Anipryl for a long time plus the newness of Anipryl on the market has
not allowed for many studies such as this to be performed.

Craig and Donna and Ashley and Nathan and Casey

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:36:35 EDT
From: Laurka@aol.com
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: CUSHNOID FRIEND
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Hi everyone!! I have a Cushnoid baby, Cinders, that I will tell you all
about at a future time, but right now I am looking for information about a
good friend of Cinders and mine that is also a Cushnoid Baby. His name is
Elliott. He is a nine year old Scottie that was diagnosed in April, 1998. He
has been on Anipryl since April of this year. At the time of his diagnosis,
he had no real visual symptoms of Cushings. His alk. phos. was elevated and
his liver was slightly enlarged. Unlike my little girl, his fur was still
fine, slight polydipsia, but no other real symptoms of Cushings. Until this
past week , Elliott seemed to be doing wonderfully. This past week though he
seems to have started showing some of the visual symptoms of Cushings.

Due to his human's business, I often stop to feed and visit with Elliott and
his Westie brother , Wellesley. I have noticed for the first time that
Elliott is showing some problems with "sitting pretty" and with his ability
to jump up on the couch and visit with me.( I had to pick him up unto the
couch). I have also spoken with another friend of Elliott's who has also
noticed these same problems and also feels that Elliott's abdomen has become
rigid to the touch and that he has slowed down a bit.

I guess what I am asking about, is, what has been the experience of other
Cushnoid parents whose babies are on Anipryl? Are you still seeing a
progression in the symptoms of Cushings? Possibly at a slower rate? Or
maybe fewer symptoms are developing? Has anyone had problems with Anipryl
where there babies have crashed as they can when they are on lysodren as my
little Cinders did? (That will be another story. She is doing much better
now, but I'm not really sure how I am doing after that experience.) Please
Anipryl people, could you give me some information on the progress of your
puppies on this drug. I need to know both for Elliott and my little girl
Cinders( who used to be on Anipryl and never crashed and now is on lysodren
and almost went to the Rainbow Bridge).

I'll be looking forward to any information that you can give me. I'll also
give you more info about my baby, Rella(Cinders), a 14 year old miniature
schnauzer who was diagnosed with Cushings in March, 1998 . Thanks for
anything you can tell me.

Laura, Rella(Cinders), and Snowy (my lemon dog--until now)
laurka@aol.com Laura Spohn

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:36:45 EDT
From: Adrenal@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl to Lysodren
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Just a couple of points.

First of all if is very unlikely that a 4 year old dog would develop Cushings
disease. The average age is 14 yrs. Are we absolutely sure of the diagnosis?
What are the symptoms and how was the diagnosis confirmed?

Secondly about 20% of dogs will have a normal SAP not 1-2 %.

Thirdly, there is no data on how long Anipryl will be effective in your dog or
any other. The drud has only been around for 1 year and the longest we have
had any dogs on the medication has been about 3.5 years during the clinical
trials.

David Bruyette DVM
Diplomate American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:32:05 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
Message-ID: <19980620.233207.11006.0.Write2Tom@juno.com>

If it is unlikely that a four year old would have Cushings what about a
six year old? My mini Schnauzer was diagnosed with diabetes last January
and with Cushings three months ago. She has just turned seven. Does this
mean that the tests are wrong and I should question the diagnosis?

I have also been told that my other mini, who has a portosystemic shunt,
would most likely not live beyond one year of age, would waste and crash.
She is now two, over weight and a delight. Should I question the
results of two diagnosis because she does not fit the norm?

Just asking.

Tom, Jesse and Uta (the plump one)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:03:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Age of Cushings
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I also have a dog 6 1/2 that was diagnosed in April of this year. Is my
diagnosis also wrong? Or is the average of 14 years still mean that a younger
dog can have it also?

Jan Glover, Seattle WA
Dudley, my Cushings dog

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:06:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Loose Stools
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> << One cup of white rice mixed with his food for a
> couple of days solved the problem. >>
>
> If white rice doesn't work, try brown. When I give Jessie white rice,
> it gives her the worst diarrhea, but brown rice helps to settle her tummy.
>
Hi. Reeeealllly stupid question here, but is that cooked rice or just the
raw grains?

My Cush monster (Maggie) has been a bad dog lately. The other day she
leaped off a retaining wall onto the road (to bark at a man), and was
limping for some
time afterwards. It makes me worry that she's done damage to her hind
legs/lower back, although she seems no worse for wear.

Today she stole half of my baguette while I was right next to her!!
Hopefully she's not hungry because I did cut down on her food (she's way
too fat, and she poops far more than any dog I've ever seen...even dogs
twice her size). Am I doing the right thing? I fear that her obesity is
causing some health problems, and that it might cause worse ones in the
future. On the other hand, obviously a Cushings dog wants to eat a lot.

Would she be suffering if I cut back? Or is it for the best? What do
people here think?

Lia and Maggie

==============================================================================
"The slogan `Vote for me and I'll lend you my pants', can often be
misconstrued" ---Jerry Boyle, This Hour Has 22 Minutes
Lia M Brown, Mad Praetor and Grand High Duchess of the Procrastinators
lmbrown@trentu.ca anlmb@blaze.trentu.ca "Gattai, Dinoking!"
==============================================================================
Palpatine's dead. Vote Wedge. Antilles/Celchu '00!

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:19:54 -0400
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Oberaw@aol.com wrote:

> I have lost my best friend, my pal, my buddy and my shadow
> all of which was Bubba an 8 year 10 month Golden Retriever.
>
> While I realize Bubba is now in Heaven I am selfishly devastated
> tearing as I write this, and pretending to remain a composed
> 62 year old MAN.
>
> During our relatively short period of time since I was told of the
> seriousness of this condition, cushings was diagnosed, etc.
> I spent over $1200 and listened to everyword of the vets (two
> on them) (and my fault)before I learned how stupid these vets
> were in handling or mishandling "my boy".
>
> I now have 6 Baytrill 68 mg
> 27 Lysoldren 500 mg
> 12 Presdnisone 10 mg
> 31 Bethanechol 10mg
>
> Hopefully, to help another little friend, pal, buddy, and/or
> shadow, these pills are available FREE to anyone who will
> e-mail me direct at oberaw@aol.com
>
> Thank you very much, and God Bless.
>
> PLEASE REMOVE BUBBA AND ME FROM YOUR MAILING
> LIST.
>
> LARRY (Bubba and Me)

Dear Larry, I have three Dandie Dinmont terriers. My boy Andrew was
diagnosed with Cushings Disease several mos. ago. It has been hell and
cost us well over $2,000.00. My heart breaks for you and I just hope
that your Bubba meets my Muffin at the Bridge. She was a gem and in
comparison to how these guys live, lived a hard life.

Please, do not leave the list. You have so much input to add and help.

If you are in dispair and I truly understand; just let it be for awhile.

In any event, I would like to keep in touch. My name is Patty and my
husband's name is Dan.

God Bless.

PattyO

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:14:06 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 6/21/1998 12:07:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lmbrown@trentu.ca writes:

<< Reeeealllly stupid question here, but is that cooked rice or just the
raw grains? >>

Not a stupid question, but it's cooked rice.

>From a weight perspective, I don't know what's typical -- my Jessie
has always been on the slim side -- I call her my "model dog"
because eating just doesn't mean that much to her and never
has. (She was brain-damaged by fire ants when she was a puppy)

Jackie

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:29:44 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
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My Penny was 7 almost 8 when she was diagnosed. I heard that this is a
disease of older dogs. That we would have to watch Bo and Georgie since
they are Penny's offspring, when they get older.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:10:12 -0000
From: "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Loose Stools
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You can "fill in the gaps" for a really hungry dog with lightly cooked
veggies added to the meal. I keep a bag of mixed veggies in my freezer,
and thaw them in a strainer under hot running water to add to food. Helps
the dog feel "full" without adding a lot of calories. My dogs also enjoy
munching on raw veggies as treats--baby carrots, green beans, asparagus
stems, you name it, they love it (except parsley--they haven't figured out
that's edible yet).

----------------
Scottee Meade <Scottee@huskynet.com> 'Tee Party Bostons
Burke, VA
Halley, Boston terrier, 12-1/2 years old, diagnosed 5/97, Chinese Herbal
therapy
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:53:11 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: "cushings" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Loose stools
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:16:26 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: CUSHNOID FRIEND
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> I guess what I am asking about, is, what has been the experience of other
> Cushnoid parents whose babies are on Anipryl? Are you still seeing a
> progression in the symptoms of Cushings? Possibly at a slower rate? Or
> maybe fewer symptoms are developing? Has anyone had problems with Anipryl
> where there babies have crashed as they can when they are on lysodren as my
> little Cinders did? (That will be another story. She is doing much better
> now, but I'm not really sure how I am doing after that experience.) Please
> Anipryl people, could you give me some information on the progress of your
> puppies on this drug. I need to know both for Elliott and my little girl
> Cinders( who used to be on Anipryl and never crashed and now is on lysodren
> and almost went to the Rainbow Bridge).
>
> I'll be looking forward to any information that you can give me. I'll also
> give you more info about my baby, Rella(Cinders), a 14 year old miniature
> schnauzer who was diagnosed with Cushings in March, 1998 . Thanks for
> anything you can tell me.
>
> Laura, Rella(Cinders), and Snowy (my lemon dog--until now)
> laurka@aol.com Laura Spohn

Pinetta is on day 31 of Anipryl and seems "ok" though her Cushings symptoms always
minimal. Had it not been failure to lose weight on diet and a very knowledgable
vet, who knew what the "old dog warts" and age spots; the hard lumps on her back,
the lipoma's on her belly......meant. So far, so good. Pinetta's not really
"changed" after being on the Anipryl...and I've noticed no runny stools or
vomiting, which I believe are the two main side effects to watch for. We went
back to vet yesterday for a T4 check on thyroid. Last month we cut her dosage in
half. Her appetite hasn't seemed to change......will eat everything in sight, so
I'm hoping that in the next 2 - 4 weeks perhaps this will change. We are still
not getting very far with weight loss. I do understand that Anipryl can take as
long as 6/8 weeks to see an affect.

susan & pinetta ------the hundred degree stuff has to go OR i will start peeing in
the house.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:23:15 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
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Thomas D Johnston wrote:

> If it is unlikely that a four year old would have Cushings what about a
> six year old? My mini Schnauzer was diagnosed with diabetes last January
> and with Cushings three months ago. She has just turned seven. Does this
> mean that the tests are wrong and I should question the diagnosis?
>
> I have also been told that my other mini, who has a portosystemic shunt,
> would most likely not live beyond one year of age, would waste and crash.
> She is now two, over weight and a delight. Should I question the
> results of two diagnosis because she does not fit the norm?
>
> Just asking.
>
> Tom, Jesse and Uta (the plump one)
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>

Tom,

Pinetta just turned 7 in March and tested out for Cushings. My vet
didn't call it borderline, or mention any normality about results. Though
once I found out symptoms, I can go back to last summer and recall when
Pinetta put on 3 lbs (on a controlled diet), lost her hair, had back-end
loss, developed age spots and "old dog warts" (as my old vet called them).
Moving around X-mas, and after tromping to 2 new vets; my current one now
suspected Cushings from the beginning and how grateful we are.......though
weight just now starting to stabilize...hasn't really gained anymore....but
not lost either. Also heard that some breeds more susceptible than
others, don't know if true, and Pinetta being 1/2 poodle falls in the list.
Also recall dachunds in the list.

susan & pinetta

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:52:29 EDT
From: Adrenal@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
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In a message dated 6/20/98 8:33:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
write2tom@juno.com writes:

<< If it is unlikely that a four year old would have Cushings what about a
six year old? My mini Schnauzer was diagnosed with diabetes last January
and with Cushings three months ago. She has just turned seven. Does this
mean that the tests are wrong and I should question the diagnosis?

It may that your dog does have Cushings but it is very hard to make the
diagnosis especially in a dog with diabetes. The bottom line is did the dog
improve after the treatment.

have also been told that my other mini, who has a portosystemic shunt,
would most likely not live beyond one year of age, would waste and crash.
She is now two, over weight and a delight. Should I question the
results of two diagnosis because she does not fit the norm?

Most dogs that do not have surgery do not live a normal life span. Did your
dog have surgery? How was the diagnosis made?

Dr Bruyette

Just asking.

Tom, Jesse and Uta (the plump one)
>>

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:37:51 EDT
From: LisaVann@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
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Tom....

Just a word of encouragement.....I had until last November a maltese with a
congenital, inoperable portosystemic shunt who lived to be 8 years old. She
was diagnosed at a university teaching hospital at about 3 months of age and
the owners at the time could not justify keeping her, so I adopted her . The
specialists at the veterinary school told me that she would probably have
about a year or so...little did they know that she had a heart big as texas,
even if she did only weigh 5 lbs soaking wet. She did have to take
medications ( lactulose and antibiotics) daily to keep her ammonia down, but
she did great until Nov 7th when her ammonia got REALLY high and she had some
neurologic changes. It was hard to let her go, but at least she beat the odds
for a LONG time and had great quality of life and spread happiness all the
way.

Good luck!
Lisa

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:32:44 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: HOT Weather
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Hi Susan,
Do you live in Florida? Pinettas comment made me think so, because I live in
Florida and that is exactly what my furkids think! This weather is simply awful!
They say that there is no relief in sight for us :(

-- Liza and Boomer

Susan West wrote:

> ....
> susan & pinetta ------the hundred degree stuff has to go OR i will start peeing in
> the house.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:36:01 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's Age
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Heck, Schonus has just turned 5 when he was being worked up for
Cushings!! I think it's time to rewrite the history books!!

Linda

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:46:50 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Water Intake
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Can someone PLEASE explain something to me or let me know if they are
experiencing water intakes levels to vary so much from day to day?????

Schonus has gone from drinking 1 1/2 gallons of water two days ago and
now today is back to where he should be . . around three quarts. Every
time I call my Vet to let him know of the increase....whamo....his water
intake drops back to normal!! His water intake increases the day AFTER
his maintenance dose and then decreases the day BEFORE his next
maintenance dose. He's now getting 1500 mgs. twice a week.

Got good news tho...we changed Schonus' food and his colitis is almost
cured!! I never thought I would be happy about seeing normal stool!!
He was up to going 8 times a day and is now down to 4 times.

I sure hope someone can explain this or is experiencing the same problem
( if it is one)....I need to buy stock in Clairol!

Linda

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:08:53 4
From: alcck@mail.enter.net
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: alcck@enter.net
Subject: Re: Anipryl to Lysodren
Message-ID: <199806220206.WAA12312@mail.enter.net>

> David Bruyette wrote,
>> First of all if is very unlikely that a 4 year old dog would develop Cushings
>> disease. The average age is 14 yrs. Are we absolutely sure of the diagnosis?
>>
>> Secondly about 20% of dogs will have a normal SAP not 1-2 %.
>>
>> Thirdly, there is no data on how long Anipryl will be effective in your dog or
>> any other. The drud has only been around for 1 year and the longest we have
>> had any dogs on the medication has been about 3.5 years during the clinical
> trials.

David,

Thanks for the feedback. We have had three different Veterinary
Doctors from three different (and independent) practices who have
reviewed Casey's test results and symptoms, and they have all come
to the same conclusion. I find it very surprising that 14 years of
age is the average age that a dog would develop cushings.
As far of the diagnosis, I have not yet received a copy of the
high dose dex test, but the low dose dex test shows the following,,
Cortisol 8:30 AM 9.5 uG/DL
Cortisol 1:30 PM .7 uG/DL
Cortisol 5:50 PM 4.6 uG/DL
(The lab test document states "A Normal dog will show suppression of
cortisol below 1.5 uG/DL at 8 hrs post administration of a low dose of
dexamethasone." - Omega Medical Laboratories)

As far as only 20% of dogs having a normal SAP reading whom have
cushings. I am only forwarding the information that my vet here in
Penna relayed to me after he reviewed the results of Casey's test
results with a Veterinary Doctor whom is an internal specialist
in Louisiana.

The effectiveness of anipryl being estimated to be 2 to 5 years again
was a comment relayed to us from the internal specialist. My
concern is if we put Casey on Anipryl now, knowing that he will
have to be converted to lysodren at a future date, perhaps there
is less risk in placing him on lysodren now. Anipryl seems like
the correct decision for Casey, but if he is on Anipryl for 5 years,
after which it becomes ineffective, perhaps putting him on Lysodren
will result in a new complications.

To take this arguement further, it would seem that if no studies or
limited studies have been done to determine the effective life
of anipryl or the migration of medication from anirpyl to lysodren,
then those of us which have young dogs who have cushings must
understand the state of research for this medication and possible
future consequences.

Craig & Donna & Ashley & Nathan & Casey (4 years old today)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:33:34 -0500
From: "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
To: "cushing's list" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Lifespan of Anipryl
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Could one of the vets on the list clairify for me (and others possibly)
about the comment made about Anipryl only being effective for 3-5 years. I
don't want to think that Punkin will have to go through a 3-5 year life with
one drug only to have it become ineffective and have to trade over to a drug
that has been available the entire time of her illness. Punkin has done
very well, up until day 29, on Anipryl and I felt that this was the answer
for her illness. Am I just fooling myself on this? Dr. Cone spoke with my
parents today and is happy with Punkin's weekend at "Vet Med" =*) Stools
now have a "distinct roundness" to them...never thought I'd be rejoicing
over the firmness of dog poop but you take your joy where you find it I
guess! Punkin is going home tomorrow and my poor parents are considering
hardwood floors for the entire house...mom asked me if diarrhea will be part
of the illness from here on out, just didn't have the heart to tell her that
it possibly could be, just reminded her that hardwood is soooo popular these
days!

Thanks for all of the advice on diet adjustments for Punkin...she just loves
brown rice so at least that's not a hurdle we have to overcome.

Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:38:43 -0500
From: "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
To: "cushing's list" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: vaccines/ other preventives for Cushing's pets
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Forgot to ask this earlier, but is it okay for a Cushing's pet to use
products such as Frontline, Advantage, etc? My parents live is a very rural
area and I feel like Punkin needs some kind of protection from those "other
critters" out there that could make her sick. What's the ruling on this?

Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:07:19 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccines/ other preventives for Cushing's pets
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In a message dated 6/21/1998 10:45:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cdauten@planetkc.com writes:

<< Forgot to ask this earlier, but is it okay for a Cushing's pet to use
products such as Frontline, Advantage, etc? >>

Michelle, I've used both Program and Frontline on my Cushings baby,
and she's fine. She's allergic to fleas, so keeping them under control is
critical.

Jackie

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:12:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Caregiver burnout (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:20:00 -0700
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
Subject: Re: Caregiver burnout

This is something I experienced too. We felt we could only go places where
we could take Ebony with us and eventually we were rating each place on a
stress vs non-stress scale as well. Some places were easy/relaxing for her
and others were more stressful (even high excitement can be stressful). As
the result we didn't go many places.

There were several times after Ebony's death when we started to say "no, we
can't do that/go there" and realized we could and felt a bit relieved.
That made us feel guilty too. I still have an "internal alarm" that goes
off from time to time to remind me to give Ebony her medication. Then I'll
remember she doesn't need it anymore and that Loki doesn't need medication
(crossed fingers) and I'll have an emotional battle between sadness, guilt
and relief. It's complicated. It does all get better with time. I still
miss her of course.

At 09:48 AM 6/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I'll admit a feeling of guilty relief when Ivan died. We had decided that we
>could no longer take any vacations away from him due to the increasing amount
>of attention he required. We didn't want to board him because of the stress.
> My sister had stayed at our house on several occasions, but that was more
>because she loved him almost as much as we did. But a full-time job
eliminated
>her as a candidate.
>
>It's hard. Getting a couple of days off, for whatever reason, seems to make
>the rest of the year a little easier.
>
>Finding a good petsitter is a godsend. We have a neighbor who will visit
>Bonnie and Toby, but we couldn't ask her to take care of Ivan.
>
>
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon.pyron@amd.com
>Hell hath no fury like root.
>
--
kathleen richards kilty@tstonramp.com
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~ -dire straits