Cushing's Disease/Syndrome | Electronic Forum Digest 41

CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 41

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
2) Doggie doors; was Aborted Boarding Plan
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
3) Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
4) Re: Duffy Dog
by "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
5) Weak Legs
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
6) Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
7) Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
8) Hello again
by Miner <marcia@nortexinfo.net>
9) Canine Cooler Beds
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
10) Re: Hello again
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
11) Test Results
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
12) Re: Test Results
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
13) Re: Canine Cooler Beds
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
14) Re: Longevity of life
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
15) Re: [MUFFIN] help, cushings dd
by DFRS2@aol.com
16) Canine Cooler Beds
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
17) CALGON--TAKE ME AWAY!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
18) Re: Canine Cooler Beds
by Heather Bernard <hbernard@ezonline.com>
19) Canine Cooler Bed
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
20) Re: Canine Cooler Bed
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
21) Possible liver help?
by Glimpact@aol.com
22) Canine Cooler Bed
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
23) Re: Possible liver help?
by "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
24) Re: Canine Cooler Bed
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
25) Re Liver problems
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
26) Re: Re Liver problems
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
27) Re: Canine Cooler Bed
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
28) Re: Re Liver problems
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
29) Re: Canine Cooler Bed
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
30) Re:runny eyes
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
31) Re: runny eyes
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
32) Re: Milk Thistle
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
33) Milk Thistle
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
34) Fires in FL
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
35) Re:runny eyes
by MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
36) Fergie the fighter
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
37) Re:runny eyes
by Glimpact@aol.com
38) Re: runny eyes
by Cybervet5@aol.com
39) Eyes and the liver
by Glimpact@aol.com
40) Rosie Update
by DFRS2@aol.com
41) Re: Eyes and the liver
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:46:11 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG
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Ivan was almost 11 when he was diagnosed, but was symptomatic (on reflection)
some 12-15 months earlier. We had originally treated him for 1) fleas/flea
allergy 2) staph 3) hypothyroid 4) Cushings.

At the time of diagnosis, he was given 6 to 9 months. He live another 3 1/2
years, just to prove them wrong :-)

Congratulations to Duffy, hope the good news continues

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Hell hath no fury like root.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:49:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Doggie doors; was Aborted Boarding Plan
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I agree--doggie doors can be a godsend! I don't know how we ever got by
before we installed ours.

A note of caution, though. Keep a close watch on your dog's mobility as
Cushing's progresses. Missy was often strong enough to get outside, but
those darned weak back legs kept her from getting back inside on more than
a few occasions. In the heat we're having this summer, getting stuck
outside could be deadly!

After Missy's legs got very weak, we made it easier for her to get in and
out of the doggie door, we built a ramp on both sides of the door. The
things we'll do for our babies....

-Leslie

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Thomas D Johnston wrote:

> By the way for those who can I highly recommend a dog door. We waited
> until the carpets were ruined to by the glass panel with dog door which
> fits into the track for the sliding glass door. After very little
> treat-baiting the girls took to it. Jesse is still slow to exit but Uta
> hurls herself through it at such high speeds that I fear she will miss
> the flap and run head first into the wall or glass door. This is the
> greatest thing we have ever done for ourselves and the dogs.

> Tom, Jesse and Uta(zoooooom)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:32:27 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG
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Dillon,
I'm curious..why did they think Ivan would only live for 6-9 months?

-- Liza and Boomer

Dillon Pyron wrote:

> Ivan was almost 11 when he was diagnosed, but was symptomatic (on reflection)
> some 12-15 months earlier. We had originally treated him for 1) fleas/flea
> allergy 2) staph 3) hypothyroid 4) Cushings.
>
> At the time of diagnosis, he was given 6 to 9 months. He live another 3 1/2
> years, just to prove them wrong :-)
>
> Congratulations to Duffy, hope the good news continues
>
> --
> dillon pyron
> dillon.pyron@amd.com
> Hell hath no fury like root.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:55:39 -0500
From: "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
To: "cushing's list" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Duffy Dog
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Punkin was 9 years old when she was diagnosed with Cushings but, much like
Dillon upon reflection the symptoms were there for 6-9 months. Just thought
that she was getting fat and lazy living the life of the retired! Got a
great report from Dr. Cone yesterday on Punkin. She's so happy with her
progress and mom and dad really are starting to see a big change in her;
kinda got her corgi smile back! I can't wait to see her this weekend!!!

My whole goal with Punkin is to beat the odds on longevity and I'm a firm
believer that positive thinking along with good, well planned medical care
will be the key to give Punkin a long, happy, comfortable life.

Michelle Dauten
cdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:38:34 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Weak Legs
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As most of you know, Annie is a Cushing's mini poodle who also happens to
compete in Agility. When she was first diagnosed and I made the decision
to attempt to treat her holistically, her muscles wasted to almost nothing.
Her once very strong hind legs were down to bone and tendons. She was
getting wobbly and unable to do her most favorite thing--Agility. I talked
to the holistic vet and he recommended Vit B-12 supplements. Within a
month, there was a noticeable improvement in her muscle tone and I was able
to get her back in competition several months later. She weighs 20# and
gets 500 mg. of B-12 once a day.

I think it might be worth a try if you are having problem with muscle
weakness.

Janice & Annie

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> From: Chris and Michelle Dauten <cdauten@planetkc.com>
> To: cushing's list <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Re: Duffy Dog
> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 6:55 AM
>
> Punkin was 9 years old when she was diagnosed with Cushings but, much
like
> Dillon upon reflection the symptoms were there for 6-9 months. Just
thought
> that she was getting fat and lazy living the life of the retired! Got a
> great report from Dr. Cone yesterday on Punkin. She's so happy with her
> progress and mom and dad really are starting to see a big change in her;
> kinda got her corgi smile back! I can't wait to see her this weekend!!!
>
> My whole goal with Punkin is to beat the odds on longevity and I'm a firm
> believer that positive thinking along with good, well planned medical
care
> will be the key to give Punkin a long, happy, comfortable life.
>
> Michelle Dauten
> cdauten@planetkc.com
>
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:50:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG (fwd)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:30:47 -0700
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
Subject: Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG

You know, they told us Ebony would only live "a few" months with Cushings
when she was first diagnosed. I wonder if it is a case of the advances in
treatment not having yet filtered down to the prognosis? Of course, it's
true that other problems the dog might already have have an impact on
longevity, still ....
>
--
kathleen richards kilty@tstonramp.com
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~ -dire straits

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:55:19 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG
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On Jun 29, 8:32pm, Liza Klosterman wrote:
> Subject: Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG
>
> Dillon,
> I'm curious..why did they think Ivan would only live for 6-9 months?

At the time, the prognonsis for any Cushnoid was rather grim. The only real
option was surgery. Lysodren was still a fairly new treatment, and not
entirely proven as far as dosages and such. In addition, it was a fairly
uncommon disorder, and most of the vets we talked with agreed that they were at
a disadvantage, having never seen one previously.

>
> -- Liza and Boomer
>
> Dillon Pyron wrote:
>
> > Ivan was almost 11 when he was diagnosed, but was symptomatic (on
reflection)
> > some 12-15 months earlier. We had originally treated him for 1) fleas/flea
> > allergy 2) staph 3) hypothyroid 4) Cushings.
> >
> > At the time of diagnosis, he was given 6 to 9 months. He live another 3
1/2
> > years, just to prove them wrong :-)
> >
> > Congratulations to Duffy, hope the good news continues
> >
> > --
> > dillon pyron
> > dillon.pyron@amd.com
> > Hell hath no fury like root.
>
>
>
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--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Hell hath no fury like root.

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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:24:22 -0500
From: Miner <marcia@nortexinfo.net>
To: cushings <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Hello again
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Hi again everybody. I am sorry I haven't written. I have been very
busy with Springer and my Cat Son Son.

First update, Son has gained 3 LBS!!!!!! This is in less than 1
week. He was seen by the vet last Monday. Six weeks ago this cat
weighed 18 lbs. When he was weighed at the vet he was 7. He is still
peeing on the flood because he doesn't have the muscle or strenghth to
make it to the box. Due to possible permanent Liver damage he will be
on medication for the next month. The blood test showed only a possible
here.

Springer has been started on the Lysodron. She is on 500 mg per
day. Since I started measuring water last monday she is drinking 14-20
cups PER DAY since yesterday. The vet MIGHT increase dosage on
Wednesday, IF there is no change by Wed.

Side effects. The only noticeable thing is her sight! She seems
to be going blind. This only seems to happen when she comes inside from
the bright outside. Yes, I try and keep her going straight but I have 3
other dogs and everybody is poking coming thru the door. Has this
happened to anybody else. After all, Springer is 13 years old, but
this just started 2 days after the medication.

Any advice???

I am still very upset at the other vet I used to take them too. He
still hasn't returned my call. Anyway, I owe this clinic maybe 100.00
or more, for medication and tests that I did not get. For those of you
who have quit a vet for justifable reasons, did you pay the balance???
I mean, I have paid for the last 2 months I owed them, but they are
billing me for blood tests they didn't do (according to the new vet who
said the tests were not in the packet I got.) I also paid for
medication that was not needed (Anipryl). I know I can turn these
people in for malpractice and I probably will, but has this happened to
anybody else?????

Thanks again guys and I hope everybodies puppers are doing OK!!!

Marcia and the gang!!!!

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:21:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler Beds
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Saw this posted on rec.pets.dogs.health and thought it might be of
interest to y'all, especially given the terrible heat most of us have been
enduring so far this summer.

Apparently our very ownCushing's-Pets listmember Jane (as in Jane and
Colby) uses one, too.

-Leslie

Steve Oliver <boyceoli@mint.net> wrote to rec.pets.dogs.health:
>>Three months ago I ordered a Canine Cooler from a company in Colorado.
>>I started to use it immediately and my Great Dane loved it. It keeps him
>>cool and best of all its the first dog bed I have ever owned that
>>doesn't stink. Its made of a medical grade vinyl and is very strong. The
>>ad for this bed is on page 58 of the July issue of DogFancy or the web
>>site isat www.chillow.com. This isnt SPAM. If it didnt work I would be
>>on the phone beating those guys up, so i figured since I like it so
>>much it's only fair that I should compliment them.
>>
>> STEVE

Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net> wrote to rec.pets.dogs.health:
>I, too, ordered a Canine Cooler a year ago. I have an older dog who has
>Cushing's Disease. She is uncomfortable when the temperatures outside
>start to get the least bit hot. She sleeps on her Canine Cooler bed and
>appears to be quite content. She now prefers sleeping on her bed instead
>of the kitchen floor.
>
>Jane

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:25:28 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: marcia@nortexinfo.net
Cc: cushings <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Hello again
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When my older Akita Sam started on Lysodren, I thought she was going
blind, too. I'm not sure now why I thought that, some stumbling around
and bumping into things. I took her to a vet opthamologist, who said she
wasn't blind but deaf! Obviously she has some hearing left but lost
enough that I just thought she'd become very stubborn in her old age.

About a year ago, she had an ear infection (staph, aspergillus) from a
foxtail in her ear that I hadn't seen. Her ear drum was not intact at
the time treatment started. I don't know if her loss of hearing was
related to that and it was just a coincidence that I noticed it soon
after she started her Lysodren loading dose.

For about a month or two after starting Lysodren (3.5 days loading dose
then maintainence), Sam had very noticeable balance problems, which
sometimes looked like she couldn't see where she was going. She's better
now but still doesn't hear so well.
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com
Sam, 11-11/12-yr-old Akita, diagnosed (pituitary) 3/98,
on 750 mg Lysodren weekly

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Test Results
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Hi everyone!

I haven't posted in a while but I thought I'd share this with you.
If you remember, Dudley is my greyhound who was tested back in April for
Cushings. I had never requested copies of his test results until now. They
were just faxed to me and I thought I share them with you and ask some
questions.

I thought for cushings the vet was suppose to do 2 different tests, maybe I'm
wrong. Here are the two test they did a week apart and the results:

April 10th: Test: Dexamethasone suppression

1st blood draw: Cortisol 5.2 (normal is 0-10.0)
2nd blood draw
at 4 hours: Cortisol 5.8
at 8 hours: Cortisol 4.6 (normal 0-1.2) Dudley results are high

April 17th: Test: Dexamethasone suppression

1st blood draw: Cortisol 5.8 (normal is 0-10.0)
2nd blood draw
at 4 hours: Cortisol 3.3
at 6 hours: Cortisol 1.8
at 8 hours: Cortisol 1.6 (normal is 0-1.2) Dudleys results are high

In March he had a geriatric panel done. His red cell count was 9.71 (normal
is 5.5-8.5) His hemoglobin was 23.3 (normal 12-18) & Hematocrit was 67.0
(normal is 37-55) Platelet cnt was 189 (normal is 200-500) and CT Polys was
3360 (normal 3600-11500). His T4 was 1.1 (normal 1.0-4.0). His AST was
257 (normal is 16-60).

I don't understand most of these maybe you guys do. I was just curious to see
how Dudley compared you your dogs. Any comments?

Jan Glover, Seattle WA
Dudley, my Cushings dog

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:01:40 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Jan, my first suggestion is to have an earnest talk with your vet. The numbers
are "a little" off, but every dog (and person) is unique.

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Hell hath no fury like root.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:14:19 -0400
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
Cc: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Beds
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Hi. Just a little information about the Canine Cooler which is a
thermoregulating pet bed. I bought one last summer for my Welsh Terrier Colby
because she was always so hot and kept pacing around the house searching for
a cool place to lie down to sleep. This was prior to my knowledge that she
had Cushing's disease.
I saw an ad in my local newspaper for the Canine Cooler. The local
Humane Society was having a fund raiser and the mother of the guys who
invented this bed was selling some of the beds. She had some sample beds on
hand and they were cool to the touch. Since I am always looking for ways to
help make my dogs more comfortable, I bought one. It took a while for Colby
to get used to the bed, but she thoroughly enjoys it now and it appears that
it does help her to keep cool.

The bed is made of some type of a non-toxic clear vinyl covering which
never needs washing. It is fluid filled and puncture proof. The bed requires
no maintenance. I filled it with water when I first got it and have had to do
nothing to it since. The company advertises the bed as a cooling device
which absorbs the dog's body heat and provides a steady cooling sensation.
Because it is soft, it is supposed to prevent calluses and lameness caused by
lying on hard surfaces. The beds come in various sizes. The bed is very
comfortable by itself. However, I use it on top of Colby's other dog bed to
add a cooling effect.

The company has a Toll Free number which I looked up in Dog Fancy Magazine.
It is 1-888-244-5569. The company is called Maverick Marketing and they
received the Editor's Editor's Choice Award for best new products in 1997 from
dog Fancy Magazine.

I would highly recommend it to anyone whose dog suffers from the heat. Colby
gives it "4 Paws Up".

Jane and Colby.

Leslie Lawson wrote:

> Saw this posted on rec.pets.dogs.health and thought it might be of
> interest to y'all, especially given the terrible heat most of us have been
> enduring so far this summer.
>
> Apparently our very ownCushing's-Pets listmember Jane (as in Jane and
> Colby) uses one, too.
>
> -Leslie
>
> Steve Oliver <boyceoli@mint.net> wrote to rec.pets.dogs.health:
> >>Three months ago I ordered a Canine Cooler from a company in Colorado.
> >>I started to use it immediately and my Great Dane loved it. It keeps him
> >>cool and best of all its the first dog bed I have ever owned that
> >>doesn't stink. Its made of a medical grade vinyl and is very strong. The
> >>ad for this bed is on page 58 of the July issue of DogFancy or the web
> >>site isat www.chillow.com. This isnt SPAM. If it didnt work I would be
> >>on the phone beating those guys up, so i figured since I like it so
> >>much it's only fair that I should compliment them.
> >>
> >> STEVE
>
> Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net> wrote to rec.pets.dogs.health:
> >I, too, ordered a Canine Cooler a year ago. I have an older dog who has
> >Cushing's Disease. She is uncomfortable when the temperatures outside
> >start to get the least bit hot. She sleeps on her Canine Cooler bed and
> >appears to be quite content. She now prefers sleeping on her bed instead
> >of the kitchen floor.
> >
> >Jane

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:26:21 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Longevity of life
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I was thinking that was the reason. I'm sure you were happy that your little Ivan
beat the odds and lived for a very long time after his diagnosis. It gives me hope
that Boomer too will be with me for years to come. I'm a believer that extra
pampering and care on my part may help to prolong my cushy poo's life. And a
positive attitude helps me too!

-- Liza and Boomer(Mom's giving me lots of loving these days!!)

Dillon Pyron wrote:

> On Jun 29, 8:32pm, Liza Klosterman wrote:
> > Subject: Re: LATEST ON DUFFY DOG
> >
> > Dillon,
> > I'm curious..why did they think Ivan would only live for 6-9 months?
>
> At the time, the prognonsis for any Cushnoid was rather grim. The only real
> option was surgery. Lysodren was still a fairly new treatment, and not
> entirely proven as far as dosages and such. In addition, it was a fairly
> uncommon disorder, and most of the vets we talked with agreed that they were at
> a disadvantage, having never seen one previously.
>
> >
> > -- Liza and Boomer
> >

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:25:08 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: Tigger2202@aol.com, Muffin@esosoft.com,
CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] help, cushings dd
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Susan: Hi! My lab, Rosie, has Cushing's and Diabetes together. There is
quite a learning curve on both and hopefully you will only have to deal with
one, but hey....if not, you can do it. Rosie was diagnosed in March of this
year.

I tried to find some of my older responses on this subject, but they were too
old for me to pull up. Since you do not know for sure if Cushing's is a
diagnosis, I thought I would give you some info to get you started.

There is a Cushing's website. If you are interested go to:

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/forum.htmt

You will learn a lot from this site. Also, there is a Cushing's list similar
to the Muffin list for Diabetic Owners that I am on also. I have copied your
request to that list, so you may get some responses from people on that list
also. If you want to subscribe to the Cushing's list, this is how you will do
it:

Send an e-mail to listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu

In the body of the text type: Subscribe CUSHINGS-PETS Your Name (Your Pets
Name, Breed & Date of Diagnosis, if any).

Sorry my time is limited for providing you with more, but do visit the
Cushing's website and good luck. Keep us posted.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:04:20 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler Beds
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Leslie....

We just received the Canine Cooler Bed also for Schonus...of course, we
had to get three of them....but let me tell you....they are the GREATEST
invention especially in the heat! They also come with heaters for the
winter.

When Schonus and I came back from our walk last nite, he plopped down on
it with his almost bare belly and zonked right out!! Absolutely no
panting and the best part is when he gets up, his hind legs aren't
stiff! This bed is the greatest invention....it's like a waveless
waterbed!

I found the advertisement in Dog Fancy and when I called them they said
they also have a web site but is still under construction for the next
two weeks but you can read about the bed. The web site is:
http://www.chillow.com

When I called for info on the bed, I thought for sure I was getting a
sales pitch! I just couldn't imagine such a bed existed! It's also
guaranteed for 10 years. The people are absolutely great and more than
willing to help you out!

Linda & Schonus

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:37:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: CALGON--TAKE ME AWAY!
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Hi Susan....

Work has been unbelievable lately!! If I don't get some time for
myself....I'm gonna scream! My "break" is getting online and lately
it's been almost four days since I've been on!

Your weekend sounded absolutely great! I bet it did your heart good to
see Amaryllis so active!! Actually here where I live all we have are
trees, trees and more trees!! A few streams which Schonus just
absolutely loves to wade it. Believe it or not, he has only swam one
time in his life....so as not to drown!!! We had him in a lake and he
always walks near the edge and something caught his eye and he went
after it. Next thing I knew...he was out of sight...he had gone down!
I was just getting ready to go after him when I saw his head pop up so I
knew he was okay! He was but I was shaking like a leaf. I didn't say
anything to him because I didn't want to upset him.

Believe it or not, I just threw the towel in on the colitis. Some days
good, and some days horrible! I've gotten to the point where I take the
good with the bad. Today is the first day I've noticed a change in his
water intake but it's like he's like a little puppy again! I can't keep
up with him! I think he's having "puppyhood flash backs". He keeps
getting all his toys out to play with that he had when he was a puppy.
When we go for our walks, it's like we're running a marathon! And yes,
I sure am enjoying these good days!! Would you believe I haven't had to
use tea tree oil in over a month now!! His paws look great.

In fact, speaking of tree tea oil...guess who I got a phone call from
tonite!! My Vet! Said he's got another dog with a bad staph infection
and doesn't want to use antibiotics. He wanted to know where I got it!
See Vets can be "converted".!!!

Unfortunately, not all is good. Schonus is also demonstrating some pre
Cushings signs...we're up all hours of the nite to pee and when I say
pee....I'm talking what feels like 10 minute peeing time. I've also
noticed that his urine is not yellow which means that his urine is not
concentrating yet. I'm getting a little concerned about the peeing so
much again! Schonus is getting everything all backwards.....his water
intake shoots way up the day he takes his Lysodren and he's NOT suppose
to be demonstrating pre Cushing's symptoms!!

Yes, I did check out the Cushing's Gallery but as I was waiting for the
page to load, I had my heart in my throat. I was so afraid of what I
was going to see....but everyone sent in good pics of their babies. I
can only assume that you haven't looked at it yet cause Schonus is
there!!!

Did you ever contact Dr. Bertram yet in regards to when the Cushing's
article was to be published? Seems like everybody forgot to ask and no
one has an answer.

Guess what I got Schonus! One of the Canine Cooler Beds! Susan, they
are the greatest invention! It's been quite hot here for the past few
days but after we come home from our walk, Schonus goes over and just
plops down on it! My husband said...he'll never lay on that! That nite
he went to sleep on it and usually he comes in and starts nudging my arm
off the keyboard around 7:30 as we have "pretzel time" at 8PM. Well, it
was 8 PM and still no Schonus...I went out to find him and there he
was....sleeping like a baby on the bed. Another good thing about it is
Schonus sleeps on his side and lately when he gets up he's been limping
in his front shoulder and hind leg....but when he got up...he walked
like nothing was wrong. I just checked the Cushing's e-mail tonite and
I see people are already talking about it!

Sooooo....did you get Amaryllis pic on your computer yet? Heck yes,
I've got all kinds of pics of Schonus on the computer...I have a digital
camera as well as a scanner. I didn't know when to stop!! If you would
like, I'll send a pic of him or you can see him in the Gallery. Why
don't you send in one of Amaryllis? I made my pic a gif file.

I hate to stop rambling on! For some reason, I get the "gift of gab"
when writing to you!! But I need to get back to work. Between the work
and all the other necessities of life...I neeeed Calgon!! Hope all is
well with you and Amaryllis!! I bet she slept real good when you got
home from the Lake from all that fresh air and exercise. I will try to
be better about checking e-mail and by the way (BTW) I'm waiting to see
my "little girl"!!

Linda

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:50:00 -0400
From: Heather Bernard <hbernard@ezonline.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Beds
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Linda -
Do you have a phone number for the company that sells the Canine Cooler?
Their web site doesn't have ordering information yet. It sounds like
this is a big help with the heat!

L Boyce wrote:
>
> Leslie....
>
> We just received the Canine Cooler Bed also for Schonus...of course, we
> had to get three of them....but let me tell you....they are the GREATEST
> invention especially in the heat! They also come with heaters for the
> winter.
>
> When Schonus and I came back from our walk last nite, he plopped down on
> it with his almost bare belly and zonked right out!! Absolutely no
> panting and the best part is when he gets up, his hind legs aren't
> stiff! This bed is the greatest invention....it's like a waveless
> waterbed!
>
> I found the advertisement in Dog Fancy and when I called them they said
> they also have a web site but is still under construction for the next
> two weeks but you can read about the bed. The web site is:
> http://www.chillow.com
>
> When I called for info on the bed, I thought for sure I was getting a
> sales pitch! I just couldn't imagine such a bed existed! It's also
> guaranteed for 10 years. The people are absolutely great and more than
> willing to help you out!
>
> Linda & Schonus

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:02:32 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler Bed
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Heather...

Just happen to have the toll free number right here...it's
1-888-244-5569. You won't go wrong!! The people there are absolutely
fantastic and will answer any questions you may have. As I stated
before, I thought I was getting a "sales pitch" as the bed sounded too
good to be true....but I called them back and apologized. This is one
of those things that is as good as it sounds!!!

Linda

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:30:53 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Bed
Message-ID: <0d9272230150278UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com>

Linda,
I'm having trouble getting in touch with the Chillow people. I
can access their web page but their order form page is still under
construction. From Canada all I get when I dial the 1-888 number is "Sorry,
this number is not in service..." They don't provide an address anywhere on
their page and a search of the various business directories has been
unsuccessful. Could you please give them a call for me and ask them to send
ordering information to me at d_one_delta@msn.com or to:
David ROBERTS, 5 Parkview Court, 4965 - 47th. Avenue, DELTA,
British Columbia, V4K 4N9, Canada.
Having read the messages regarding the bed I know Ted would be
more comfortable at night. It seems that Cushings dogs are particularly
susceptible to heat. Other than that, the lad is doing just great.
Many thanks,
Dave ROBERTS-----Original Message-----
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 5:08 PM
Subject: Canine Cooler Bed

>Heather...
>
>Just happen to have the toll free number right here...it's
>1-888-244-5569. You won't go wrong!! The people there are absolutely
>fantastic and will answer any questions you may have. As I stated
>before, I thought I was getting a "sales pitch" as the bed sounded too
>good to be true....but I called them back and apologized. This is one
>of those things that is as good as it sounds!!!
>
>Linda
>

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:14:42 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Possible liver help?
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I just read about this and wondered if the vets on the list or anyone with
chinese medical training has heard about this to possibly help with lysodren
doggies:

"Chinese Schizandra Berry (Schizandra chinensis) - has been shown to have a
protective effect on liver cells, from exposure to toxic chemicals, and
enhances the regenerative capabilities of liver cells, especially against
free-radical induced tissue injury. Principle molecule: Gomisin A lignan
(TJN101)" by Dr. Daniel Beilin 408-685-1125. It was apparently condensed from
an article in the April/May issue of Health Store News.

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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:06:35 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler Bed
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Dave.....

Just got off the phone with the folks at Maverick Marketing.....they
send their sincere apologies for those of you who are unable to reach
their toll free number.

They did give me this number: 1-303-604-2636 to call them directly or
you can e-mail them at chillow@aol.com. If you call ask for either Eric
or Kirk. Their mailing address is:
Maverick Marketing Ventures, Inc.
130 West Sycamore Lane
Louisville, Colorado 80027

That address was on the box that I received.

Just to share a laugh with you about the bed....the first afternoon when
Schonus laid down on the bed he zonked out to sleep as soon as he laid
down. At 5:30 we always have a little snack. Now you KNOW when you
mention food, you don't have to call them twice!! Well, when I called
him, he didn't move! I started to panic...I thought he was "slipping"
again. I went over to check on him thinking something was wrong and
starting to panic! I guess you could say he was given two options...the
bed or food and to my surprise he chose the bed!!!

So glad to hear that all is going well!!! Great News!!

Linda

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:05:38 -0000
From: "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Possible liver help?
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I'm not familiar with Chinese Schizandra Berry, but I'll ask my boss
(Traditional Chinese Medicine specialist).

If you are looking for an herb to help rebuild the liver, try Milk Thistle
Seed extract. That has been shown in studies to help the liver regenerate
healthy tissue. I have used it myself when I had a liver problem, and it
worked very well for me. I did ask one of my vets once about giving that
in conjunction with medications that are hard on the liver, and he thought
it was a good idea.

----------------
Scottee Meade <Scottee@huskynet.com> 'Tee Party Bostons
Canine Behavior Consultant Burke, VA
Member, Association of Pet Dog Trainers and Old Dominion Kennel Club
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:53:28 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Bed
Message-ID: <087c30254020378UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com>

Thanks Linda, I'll get onto them first thing in the morning. The tale of
Shonus (no pun intended) is a good indication of the bed's quality. I've
never known Ted to turn down a snack yet, so there's hope.
Dave.
-----Original Message-----
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 5:08 PM
Subject: Canine Cooler Bed

>Dave.....
>
>Just got off the phone with the folks at Maverick Marketing.....they
>send their sincere apologies for those of you who are unable to reach
>their toll free number.
>
>They did give me this number: 1-303-604-2636 to call them directly or
>you can e-mail them at chillow@aol.com. If you call ask for either Eric
>or Kirk. Their mailing address is:
>Maverick Marketing Ventures, Inc.
>130 West Sycamore Lane
>Louisville, Colorado 80027
>
>That address was on the box that I received.
>
>Just to share a laugh with you about the bed....the first afternoon when
>Schonus laid down on the bed he zonked out to sleep as soon as he laid
>down. At 5:30 we always have a little snack. Now you KNOW when you
>mention food, you don't have to call them twice!! Well, when I called
>him, he didn't move! I started to panic...I thought he was "slipping"
>again. I went over to check on him thinking something was wrong and
>starting to panic! I guess you could say he was given two options...the
>bed or food and to my surprise he chose the bed!!!
>
>So glad to hear that all is going well!!! Great News!!
>
>Linda
>

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:20:42 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re Liver problems
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A couple of months ago Kelly (Sheltie diagnosed with Cushings last March after
18 months treatment for hypothroidism) was also found to have acute liver
failure. He had begun to get that tired, empty look in his eyes, didn't want
to eat, and really seemed to have lost all quality of life. I really thought we
were going to have to put him on the way to the Rainbow Bridge. Somebody on
this list suggested Milk Thistle might help as her mother had been using it for
a couple of years. At the same time, we also put him on a mineral tonic called
Colivet. We now have a new dog!!! We have even had to buy him new toys - he
hadn't touched old ones for almost 2 years.

We stopped the tonic 3 weeks ago and haven't felt a need to start it again so he
is on 2mls Liquid Milk Thistle, twice a day, 2 Eltroxin 50mg. per day and 250mg
Lysodren 3 times a week. Our vet can't believe the improvement in his whole
attitude to life - his eyes are bright, he seems to have a permanent smile, his
activity level has risen 500%, appetite is great - but normal - all in all, he's
the way he used to be before he first got sick and I feel a lot of this has to
be due to the Milk thistle.
Having seen the great improvement in Kelly, both my vet and my husband are
threatening to begin a course of Milk Thistle too.........
Ann Cooper
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:03:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re Liver problems
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John and Ann-

Thanks for sharing---and congratulations for having--such great news about
Kelly!!

Leslie

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:57:55 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Bed
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What were the prices on these beds? and someone said they had heaters also?
chester
-----Original Message-----
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 8:08 PM
Subject: Canine Cooler Bed

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:42:31 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re Liver problems
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Hi Ann,
Boy, this sure is great news about Kelly. I too started giving
Boomer Milk Thistle after reading about it here. While I haven't seen
such a dramatic improvement in him, he did not have acute liver failure
to begin with. But he is more active these days and wants to play
ball. Don't know if it's just from the Milk Thistle or if it's a
combination of the Lysodren treatment beginning to work, but I think I
will continue it for now!

-- Liza and Boomer

John & Ann Cooper wrote:
>
> A couple of months ago Kelly (Sheltie diagnosed with Cushings last March after
> 18 months treatment for hypothroidism) was also found to have acute liver
> failure. He had begun to get that tired, empty look in his eyes, didn't want
> to eat, and really seemed to have lost all quality of life. I really thought we
> were going to have to put him on the way to the Rainbow Bridge. Somebody on
> this list suggested Milk Thistle might help as her mother had been using it for
> a couple of years. At the same time, we also put him on a mineral tonic called
> Colivet. We now have a new dog!!! We have even had to buy him new toys - he
> hadn't touched old ones for almost 2 years.
>
> We stopped the tonic 3 weeks ago and haven't felt a need to start it again so he
> is on 2mls Liquid Milk Thistle, twice a day, 2 Eltroxin 50mg. per day and 250mg
> Lysodren 3 times a week. Our vet can't believe the improvement in his whole
> attitude to life - his eyes are bright, he seems to have a permanent smile, his
> activity level has risen 500%, appetite is great - but normal - all in all, he's
> the way he used to be before he first got sick and I feel a lot of this has to
> be due to the Milk thistle.
> Having seen the great improvement in Kelly, both my vet and my husband are
> threatening to begin a course of Milk Thistle too.........
> Ann Cooper
> janda@iconz.co.nz
> Nelson, New Zealand

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:46:06 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Bed
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Prices are as follows:
Small (18 x 24 x .5) $39.95 + $5.00 shipping
Medium (24 x 36 x .5) $59.95 + $6.00 shipping
Large (36 x 48 x .5) $79.95 + $7.00 shipping
X large (36 x 72 x .5) $99.95 + $8.00 shipping

-- Liza and Boomer

chester b. smith wrote:
>
> What were the prices on these beds? and someone said they had heaters also?
> chester
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
> To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
> Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 8:08 PM
> Subject: Canine Cooler Bed
>
> >Dave.....
> >
> >Just got off the phone with the folks at Maverick Marketing.....they
> >send their sincere apologies for those of you who are unable to reach
> >their toll free number.
> >
> >They did give me this number: 1-303-604-2636 to call them directly or
> >you can e-mail them at chillow@aol.com. If you call ask for either Eric
> >or Kirk. Their mailing address is:
> >Maverick Marketing Ventures, Inc.
> >130 West Sycamore Lane
> >Louisville, Colorado 80027
> >
> >That address was on the box that I received.
> >
> >Just to share a laugh with you about the bed....the first afternoon when
> >Schonus laid down on the bed he zonked out to sleep as soon as he laid
> >down. At 5:30 we always have a little snack. Now you KNOW when you
> >mention food, you don't have to call them twice!! Well, when I called
> >him, he didn't move! I started to panic...I thought he was "slipping"
> >again. I went over to check on him thinking something was wrong and
> >starting to panic! I guess you could say he was given two options...the
> >bed or food and to my surprise he chose the bed!!!
> >
> >So glad to hear that all is going well!!! Great News!!
> >
> >Linda
> >
> >

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:34:36 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:runny eyes
Message-ID: <19980703.173439.13950.1.Write2Tom@juno.com>

Anyone have any experience with runny eyes in their
Cushings dogs? Jesse, who is also diabetic, has had a lot of white
matter in the corner of and over the surface of her eyes for the past few
days. She may have allergies I don't know about. I missed the vet who
closed for a three day holiday so I thought I would check with y'all.
By the way where do you get Milk Thistle? How do you know what amount to
give. Jesse is holding her own at 16.8 lbs.
Also, I note that there is a lot of talk about weak hind legs. Jesse has
never shown any sign of this, just a general wasting and weight loss at
the beginning of this whole thing. Years ago she went unexplainably limp
in her left hind leg and was given steroids at that time (?) and has
never shown any sign of a limp or weakness since. Her front upper legs
have lost the most muscle mass, but her back seem to have come back in
the last month or so. She is still an agile jumper and smooth dancer.

Tom, Jesse, & Uta (under the bed)

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 19:06:09 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: runny eyes
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Penny has runny eyes at times and especially when she is not doing well
on her meds. She had weakness in her hind legs and has been doing well
on her meds and is doing very well right now. She is even going up
stairs.

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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:36:53 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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I found Milk Thistle at GNC (General Nutrition Center) that sells
vitamins and health food. The particular brand I got is called
Thistlegel. Boomer gets 200mg a day and he weighs 12.9 lbs. I'm not
sure is this is the right amount for him as the package says take 2 or 3
a day for humans. They are gelcaps and he usually eats it whole when I
put it in the dollop of yogurt he gets in the morning with his food.

-- Liza and Boomer

Thomas D Johnston wrote:
>
>
> By the way where do you get Milk Thistle? How do you know what amount to
> give. Jesse is holding her own at 16.8 lbs.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:44:42 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Milk Thistle
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In NZ we get Milk Thistle from a health food store - it's called Thisilyn made
by Nature's Way Products, Inc, 10 Mountain Springs Parkway, Springville, UT
84663. We also have an Australian liquid liver tonic which is Milk Thistle, but
this brand is called St. Mary's Thistle - our vet suggested 1/4 of the human
dose - Kelly weighs approx. 34 pounds. We thoroughly discussed this treatment
with our vet before we began, and suggest you do likewise.
Ann Cooper
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

>By the way where do you get Milk Thistle? How do you know what amount to
>give.

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:07:30 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Fires in FL
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hi all
please cross post to all lists.
things are pretty grim in NE florida.
thanks
kim

In a message dated 98-07-04 06:49:02 EDT, golden.nickle@JUNO.COM writes:

>Subj: [CR-L] FIRES IN FLORIDA - HELP NEEDED in Seminole County
>Date: 98-07-04 06:49:02 EDT
>From: golden.nickle@JUNO.COM (Becky J Nicholas)
>Sender: CLEANRUN-L@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM (Dog Agility Forum)
>Reply-to: golden.nickle@JUNO.COM (Becky J Nicholas)
>To: CLEANRUN-L@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>
>Hi All,
>
>I am forwarding this post from Sarah Davis who is the President of
>Mid-Fla. Golden Retriever Rescue (she is not on this list), the
>shelters here NEED HELP!!!
>
><Forwarded>
>I was contacted tonight by a shelter volunteer and Dalmatian Rescue
>worker
>with a plea for help. If you are on another breed list, or bulletin
>board,
>please copy and post this there as well.
>
>The Humane Society of Seminole County located at 17-92 South of Flea
>World in
>Sanford has received an influx of dogs from the evacuation of Flager
>County.
>Friday, July 3rd the already overcrowded shelter took in an additional
>40-50
>dogs, workers found some tied to the fence when they arrived at work
>this
>morning. The local Petsmart sent over all their large crates to help
>house
>big dogs - but there is still not enough space for them all. They expect
>approximately the same number of dogs to come in again tomorrow. The
>situation is made worse by the fact it is a holiday week-end and all the
>vets
>and kennels are full. The temperatures are so high that at least two
>greyhounds have been lost due to the heat.
>The 2 High Schools that serve as Seminole Shelters will not accept pets.
>The
>volunteer told me that the Orange county fairgrounds (on Hwy 50) will
>put up
>people who can get there and want to stay with their pets.
>Some of the evacuees from Flager had no transportation of their own nor
>the
>resources to seek shelter with their pets. Humane society workers were
>trying
>to help frantic owners who begged to leave their companion animals at the
>shelter - even though the shelter is horribly overcrowded.
>Humane Society of Seminole County needs volunteers who would be willing
>to
>take in one or two large dogs (over 40 pounds) for 3 - 5 days. After that
>time
>it is felt that people should be allowed back into their homes in Flager
>County.
>If you can help to foster one (or two) of these pets, please come to the
>Humane Society of Seminole County after 8:00 AM. The shelter is located
>at 2800 E. County Road, Sanford, PHONE: 407-323-8685 - it's just
>south of Flea World on 17-92 in Sanford.
>Thank you,
>Sarah Davis
>Golden Retriever Rescue of Mid Florida, Inc.
>
>--------- End forwarded message ----------
>

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 03:31:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:runny eyes
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On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Thomas D Johnston wrote:

> Anyone have any experience with runny eyes in their
> Cushings dogs? Jesse, who is also diabetic, has had a lot of white
> matter in the corner of and over the surface of her eyes for the past few
> days. She may have allergies I don't know about. I missed the vet who

Maggie's eyes run almost continously. The vet sort of threw up her hands
and shrugged; it doesn't seem to be harming her so I've let it go.
She also has a white spot on each eye, which if IIRC are mineralization of
the cornea. She can still see, though the vet suggested that she now has
permanent blind spots.

> closed for a three day holiday so I thought I would check with
y'all.
> By the way where do you get Milk Thistle? How do you know what amount to

I buy it at the local health food store. It comes in little gel capsules
that I smear with peanut butter (since Maggie won't touch it if it's just
mixed in with her food).

Hopefully your furbabies are doing well.

Lia

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 12:43:56 -0500
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Fergie the fighter
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It's been several months since I have posted to this list, but I have
been lurking. Fergie is my cushings baby. 9 year old JRT diagnosed
December 94. She has been maintaining on 250 mg Lysodren once a week
since an uneventful loading phase. We've been fotunate.
However....about six months ago Fergie started being very aggressive
toward her younger sister. (Bonsai 3 yr old JRT) She will fight with
her for absolutely no reason. This is not a good idea on Fergie's part
since she always gets the worst of the deal and had a continual series
of puncture wounds.
If any of you have ever seen terriers fight, you know they are very
serious and not easily broken up. Our house is a series of baby gates
in the attempt to keep them separate. But she manages to fight about
every 1 1/2 - 2 weeks. I can't keep dosing her with antibiotics as she
barely finishes one round of antibiotics when she is re-wounded. She
tends to swell inordinately at the puncture wound sites. (Usually on
her front legs) To help with the swelling, I give her 5 mg prednisolone
after an incident and if that doesn't take the swelling down I give her
100 mg of Phenybutazone.
Fergie is a very well behaved dog in all other aspects.

I will talk to a vet. My old vet has left the area so will have to find
one in time for her next blood work.

I would like your opinions on the following:
1. Could this aggressiveness be related to the Cushings? Is she just
getting senile? (Bonsai might be calling her names, but I never notice
any provocation on her part)
2. Is there something I can give her to fight the infection without
worrying about antibiotic immunity?
3. Is there apt to be a problem giving her prednisolone as often as
twice a month?

Sorry this is so long. Thank you for your opinions -- Ruthann

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:30:26 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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According to my holistic vets, the eyes are a reflection of the status of the
liver. Maybe Jeri or others can explain how the imbalances from certain
diseases cause a stagnation of the blood and/or heat, which can push up the
energy abnormally or cause it to be released through other organs than the
ones that an in-balance pet would normally use.

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:06:38 EDT
From: Cybervet5@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 98-07-05 15:34:31 EDT, Glimpact@aol.com writes:

<< the eyes are a reflection >>

I was taught "the eyes are a reflection of the soul"....which means a
thorough ophthalmic exam oftens detects many disease processes, which can
include liver disease...
M. Brownstein DVM

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:40:43 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Here is some info quoted from Pat Lazarus' book, "Keep Your Pet Healthy the
Natural Way":

page 90 - 'the doctors Goldstein do believe, however, that liver imbalance
plays a prominent role in all eye problems. Dr. Marty Goldstein, who is an
accredited veterinary acupuncturist as well as a nutritional veterinarian,
tells me that in acupuncture it is believed that the energy forces feeding the
health of the liver are the same forces feeding the health of the eyes. "I
believe," Dr. Goldstein tells me,"that the majority of eye problems are not
primary eye problems, but rather secondary reflections of disorders of the
liver. As a matter of fact," he adds, "I have rarely seen a pet with a
chronic eye problem who tested out to have a normal liver function". He
added, "For eye problems, I treat the dog at the acupuncture liver point".'

The book also says that a Dr. Kearns suggests that vitamin B-15 drops or
capsules, a natural diet, vitamin E and selenium supplementation can resolve
and dissolve a high percentage of cataracts. "In reality," Dr. Kearns says,
"a natural diet has little or no toxins. Cataracts are basically
accumulations of toxins in the eyes. A natural diet, therefore, will help
keep the accumulated toxins (or cataracts) out of the eyes once they have been
dissolved".'

Laura

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:04:34 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: Muffin@esosoft.com, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Rosie Update
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My lab, Rosie, diagnosed March '98, with Cushings and Diabetes appears to have
made it through this week's hypo incident with flying colors!

She has maintained stable on Cushing's symptoms at her new present dosage and
has stablized at 11 units 2X's a day on insulin. A far cry I might add from
20 units earlier this week.......

One thing I thought I would mention to the Muffin group is.....I knew to give
Rosie Karo for a hypo incident but was not sure how much to give her.

As each pet is different here was Rosie's stats. Since she weighs approx. 70
lbs. my vet had me give her 1 tsp. Although she rebounded immediately when I
rubbed just a little on her gums, I went back and let her lick the syrup out
of the spoon to make sure she had enough. Then we backed off of her insulin a
couple of units so she would not have another hypo incident. I was home on
vacation luckily enough and diagnosed it immediately. Wow, were we lucky or
what. Now I know why some of you have been so startled by this incident.
It's scary!

Thank you to this group for the support and information you have provided. I
truly believe without your help Rosie would not be alive today. Thanks so
much.

Judy and Rosie (Boy, am I doing great or what!)

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:33:44 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Eyes and the liver
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Glimpact@aol.com wrote:
> Here is some info quoted from Pat Lazarus' book, "Keep Your Pet Healthy the
> Natural Way":
>
> "For eye problems, I treat the dog at the acupuncture liver point".'
>
> The book also says that a Dr. Kearns suggests that vitamin B-15 drops or
> capsules, a natural diet, vitamin E and selenium supplementation can resolve
> and dissolve a high percentage of cataracts.

One of my dogs has been treated for cataracts using eyedrops, (Vit. C
and
zinc eyedrops), and using antioxidants, (selenium, Vit. E, and others),
and we're seen great results. I also do acupressure for his eyes.
I have 2 dogs with eye problems--one due to PRA, (in addition to
the cataracts) and one due to an autoimmune disorder.
I use different acupressure points them, even though both
have eye problems--so it's not always the answer
to use the liver points. The different meridians (Lung, Liver, etc.)
are all interdependent, and a problem in one might effect another,
so what might look like a liver problem, (eye problems), could
be due to something like the lungs being deficient, and not
be able to keep the liver in balance, or the kidneys being deficient,
and not being able to get nourishment to the liver. So, the
underlying condition needs to be diagnosed, so the correct points
can be chosen--by just treating the liver points, you might not
really be treating the problem.
Commonly, eye problems are treated with not just liver points,
but also bladder points, (though I suspect that when the
person quoted mentioned liver points, they also meant
Bladder 18, the liver association point), gall bladder points,
stomach points, large intestine points, and others, (I
use lung, spleen, and kidney points too for one of my dogs),
depending on where the imbalances are.
Jeri

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I just spoke to my parents who informed me that Punkin is spending the
weekend with Dr. Tina at the vet hospital. She's been on Anipryl for 29
days and on Thursday night decided to have loose stools. Made several
messes, one of them being in her crate and she NEVER makes a mess in her
crate. Mom took her yesterday afternoon to see Dr. Tina and she wanted to
keep Punkin over the weekend to observe her. I guess my question is the
loose bowel problem tied to the Anipryl? At 29 days, I thought that this
wouldn't be a side effect of the medication. Punkin seemed to feel fine
other than the above problem...barking at the wind, cars, a leaf blowing
across the yard. She wasn't asking for more water that what they give her
every day and her food intake was normal...any ideas out there? I'm getting
ready to e-mail Dr. Tina to see if I can get any additional information from
her on Punkin. Please keep Punkin in your thoughts; she's been doing so
well on the Anipryl and seemed to be coming around, I hate to see her take a
step backwards.

Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:15:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Loose Stools
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Michelle, my Dudley did the same thing. He had been on Anipryl for a while
before he had loose stools. One cup of white rice mixed with his food for a
couple of days solved the problem. No loose stools anymore. Dudley has now
been on Anipryl for about 2 1/2 months now. He seems to be doing fine!

Jan Glover, Seattle, Wa
Dudley, my Cushings dog

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:19:23 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update on MacTavish
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Glad to hear that things are going well for Mac! As far as the vet's
opinions on internet lists....phooey! If it weren't for this list in
particular I don't think I could dealt with Boomer's Cushings as well as I
am. Maybe the vet should subscribe to this list or one similar to it for a
while before just dismissing them. Just MHO.

-- Liza and Boomer

Rosemary G. Blascetta wrote:

> The news is good! ....

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:23:21 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Punkin is having problems
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Michelle,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and Punkin. I don't have any advice for
you as Boomer is on Lysodren, but I know how you feel about setbacks. I find
myself scrutinizing everything Boomer does, wondering if I might be seeing
something out of the norm. It's so hard because they can't "talk" to us. We
have to learn to interpret their behaviour, which can be tricky sometimes.

-- Liza and Boomer

Chris and Michelle Dauten wrote:

> I just spoke to my parents who informed me that Punkin is spending the
> weekend with Dr. Tina at the vet hospital. She's been on Anipryl for 29
> days and on Thursday night decided to have loose stools. ....

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:31:04 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Punkin is having problems
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Penny was on Anipryl for 8 months when she developed the same problem
and vomiting with it. We ended up taking her off the anipryl for a week
, giving her prednisone for 3 days and then back on a reduced amount of
anipryl. She is doing great now. Have faith. It might be just that the
anipryl is supressing too much and needs a reduction in dose.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:02:58 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 6/20/1998 11:16:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rglove19@idt.net writes:

<< One cup of white rice mixed with his food for a
couple of days solved the problem. >>

If white rice doesn't work, try brown. When I give Jessie white rice,
it gives her the worst diarrhea, but brown rice helps to settle her tummy.

Jackie

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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:58:58 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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You also mentioned Punkin's barking at a leaf, the wind, etc. I don't
remember how old Punkin is, but my almost-12-yr-old Sam lost some
hearing around the same time she was diagnosed with Cushing's. She now
barks more than she did, maybe because she's not sure if she hears
something she feels she should alert about. (Think her hearing loss came
from a perforated ear drum following a foxtail in her ear; be careful!
It's foxtail season, at least here in California.)
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com
Sam, 11-11/12 yr old Akita, diagnosed (pituitary) 3/98
On 750 mg Lysodren weekly

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:40:25 -0000
From: "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Loose Stools
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I've used a spoonful of canned pumpkin mixed with dry food for loose stools
in dogs.

Once when I was at a dog show in the middle of nowhere with a dog with
shooting diarrhea (from Ditrim, an antibiotic), I bought some mashed
potatoes (plain) from the lunch vendor--that did the trick! Just when I
thought we were going to have to find an emergency clinic, the diarrhea
stopped!

----------------
Scottee Meade <Scottee@huskynet.com> 'Tee Party Bostons
Canine Behavior Consultant Burke, VA
Member, Association of Pet Dog Trainers and Old Dominion Kennel Club
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:45:59 4
From: alcck@mail.enter.net
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: alcck@enter.net
Subject: Anipryl to Lysodren
Message-ID: <199806210043.UAA10744@mail.enter.net>

Well for starters, I ordered 40 mg of anipryl from Lambriar for
Casey, and saved about $40.00 per month over the price which we
would have to pay for the presciption at the vet. Wish I could
split the 30 mg pills three ways, instead of ordering 30mg plus
10 mg pills.

We will start the medication this coming Wednesday or as soon as the
Anipryl arrives. The test results for Casey (Our Samoyed), had an
ALP reading of 186, which is well within the tolerance for normal dogs.
With this reading our Vet got a second opinion from a specialist.
They determined that Casey is part of the 1 to 2 percent of the dog
population who have Cushings but have a normal ALP reading.
From reading information about the cushings it seemed apparent that
Cushings equals a high ALP which is correct only for 98 to 99 percent
of the cases.

Another invalid assumption that I made from reading information about
Anipryl is that it is a life long medication. Casey is a relatively
young dog. Actually tomorrow is his birthday, he will be four. He
will be getting a Blue Berry muffin with a candle on it, and if he
has his way he'll eat both,,, plus the muffin paper. The reality
will be that Casey will be on Anipryl until it becomes ineffective
which will be from 2 to 5 years. This is not dose dependent either.
After the 2 to 5 years, then we will have to switch to lysodren.

I inquired if there have been any studies for dogs which had been on
Anipryl for an extended time period who had then switched to Lysodren.
Anyone know of any studies for this switch? Seems like the
combination of a younger dog who has the possibility of being on the
Anipryl for a long time plus the newness of Anipryl on the market has
not allowed for many studies such as this to be performed.

Craig and Donna and Ashley and Nathan and Casey

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:36:35 EDT
From: Laurka@aol.com
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: CUSHNOID FRIEND
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Hi everyone!! I have a Cushnoid baby, Cinders, that I will tell you all
about at a future time, but right now I am looking for information about a
good friend of Cinders and mine that is also a Cushnoid Baby. His name is
Elliott. He is a nine year old Scottie that was diagnosed in April, 1998. He
has been on Anipryl since April of this year. At the time of his diagnosis,
he had no real visual symptoms of Cushings. His alk. phos. was elevated and
his liver was slightly enlarged. Unlike my little girl, his fur was still
fine, slight polydipsia, but no other real symptoms of Cushings. Until this
past week , Elliott seemed to be doing wonderfully. This past week though he
seems to have started showing some of the visual symptoms of Cushings.

Due to his human's business, I often stop to feed and visit with Elliott and
his Westie brother , Wellesley. I have noticed for the first time that
Elliott is showing some problems with "sitting pretty" and with his ability
to jump up on the couch and visit with me.( I had to pick him up unto the
couch). I have also spoken with another friend of Elliott's who has also
noticed these same problems and also feels that Elliott's abdomen has become
rigid to the touch and that he has slowed down a bit.

I guess what I am asking about, is, what has been the experience of other
Cushnoid parents whose babies are on Anipryl? Are you still seeing a
progression in the symptoms of Cushings? Possibly at a slower rate? Or
maybe fewer symptoms are developing? Has anyone had problems with Anipryl
where there babies have crashed as they can when they are on lysodren as my
little Cinders did? (That will be another story. She is doing much better
now, but I'm not really sure how I am doing after that experience.) Please
Anipryl people, could you give me some information on the progress of your
puppies on this drug. I need to know both for Elliott and my little girl
Cinders( who used to be on Anipryl and never crashed and now is on lysodren
and almost went to the Rainbow Bridge).

I'll be looking forward to any information that you can give me. I'll also
give you more info about my baby, Rella(Cinders), a 14 year old miniature
schnauzer who was diagnosed with Cushings in March, 1998 . Thanks for
anything you can tell me.

Laura, Rella(Cinders), and Snowy (my lemon dog--until now)
laurka@aol.com Laura Spohn

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:36:45 EDT
From: Adrenal@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl to Lysodren
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Just a couple of points.

First of all if is very unlikely that a 4 year old dog would develop Cushings
disease. The average age is 14 yrs. Are we absolutely sure of the diagnosis?
What are the symptoms and how was the diagnosis confirmed?

Secondly about 20% of dogs will have a normal SAP not 1-2 %.

Thirdly, there is no data on how long Anipryl will be effective in your dog or
any other. The drud has only been around for 1 year and the longest we have
had any dogs on the medication has been about 3.5 years during the clinical
trials.

David Bruyette DVM
Diplomate American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:32:05 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
Message-ID: <19980620.233207.11006.0.Write2Tom@juno.com>

If it is unlikely that a four year old would have Cushings what about a
six year old? My mini Schnauzer was diagnosed with diabetes last January
and with Cushings three months ago. She has just turned seven. Does this
mean that the tests are wrong and I should question the diagnosis?

I have also been told that my other mini, who has a portosystemic shunt,
would most likely not live beyond one year of age, would waste and crash.
She is now two, over weight and a delight. Should I question the
results of two diagnosis because she does not fit the norm?

Just asking.

Tom, Jesse and Uta (the plump one)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:03:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Age of Cushings
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I also have a dog 6 1/2 that was diagnosed in April of this year. Is my
diagnosis also wrong? Or is the average of 14 years still mean that a younger
dog can have it also?

Jan Glover, Seattle WA
Dudley, my Cushings dog

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:06:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAD PRAETOR <lmbrown@trentu.ca>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Loose Stools
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> << One cup of white rice mixed with his food for a
> couple of days solved the problem. >>
>
> If white rice doesn't work, try brown. When I give Jessie white rice,
> it gives her the worst diarrhea, but brown rice helps to settle her tummy.
>
Hi. Reeeealllly stupid question here, but is that cooked rice or just the
raw grains?

My Cush monster (Maggie) has been a bad dog lately. The other day she
leaped off a retaining wall onto the road (to bark at a man), and was
limping for some
time afterwards. It makes me worry that she's done damage to her hind
legs/lower back, although she seems no worse for wear.

Today she stole half of my baguette while I was right next to her!!
Hopefully she's not hungry because I did cut down on her food (she's way
too fat, and she poops far more than any dog I've ever seen...even dogs
twice her size). Am I doing the right thing? I fear that her obesity is
causing some health problems, and that it might cause worse ones in the
future. On the other hand, obviously a Cushings dog wants to eat a lot.

Would she be suffering if I cut back? Or is it for the best? What do
people here think?

Lia and Maggie

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:19:54 -0400
From: Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Oberaw@aol.com wrote:

> I have lost my best friend, my pal, my buddy and my shadow
> all of which was Bubba an 8 year 10 month Golden Retriever.
>
> While I realize Bubba is now in Heaven I am selfishly devastated
> tearing as I write this, and pretending to remain a composed
> 62 year old MAN.
>
> During our relatively short period of time since I was told of the
> seriousness of this condition, cushings was diagnosed, etc.
> I spent over $1200 and listened to everyword of the vets (two
> on them) (and my fault)before I learned how stupid these vets
> were in handling or mishandling "my boy".
>
> I now have 6 Baytrill 68 mg
> 27 Lysoldren 500 mg
> 12 Presdnisone 10 mg
> 31 Bethanechol 10mg
>
> Hopefully, to help another little friend, pal, buddy, and/or
> shadow, these pills are available FREE to anyone who will
> e-mail me direct at oberaw@aol.com
>
> Thank you very much, and God Bless.
>
> PLEASE REMOVE BUBBA AND ME FROM YOUR MAILING
> LIST.
>
> LARRY (Bubba and Me)

Dear Larry, I have three Dandie Dinmont terriers. My boy Andrew was
diagnosed with Cushings Disease several mos. ago. It has been hell and
cost us well over $2,000.00. My heart breaks for you and I just hope
that your Bubba meets my Muffin at the Bridge. She was a gem and in
comparison to how these guys live, lived a hard life.

Please, do not leave the list. You have so much input to add and help.

If you are in dispair and I truly understand; just let it be for awhile.

In any event, I would like to keep in touch. My name is Patty and my
husband's name is Dan.

God Bless.

PattyO

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:14:06 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Loose Stools
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In a message dated 6/21/1998 12:07:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lmbrown@trentu.ca writes:

<< Reeeealllly stupid question here, but is that cooked rice or just the
raw grains? >>

Not a stupid question, but it's cooked rice.

>From a weight perspective, I don't know what's typical -- my Jessie
has always been on the slim side -- I call her my "model dog"
because eating just doesn't mean that much to her and never
has. (She was brain-damaged by fire ants when she was a puppy)

Jackie

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:29:44 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
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My Penny was 7 almost 8 when she was diagnosed. I heard that this is a
disease of older dogs. That we would have to watch Bo and Georgie since
they are Penny's offspring, when they get older.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:10:12 -0000
From: "Scottee Meade" <scottee@huskynet.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Loose Stools
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You can "fill in the gaps" for a really hungry dog with lightly cooked
veggies added to the meal. I keep a bag of mixed veggies in my freezer,
and thaw them in a strainer under hot running water to add to food. Helps
the dog feel "full" without adding a lot of calories. My dogs also enjoy
munching on raw veggies as treats--baby carrots, green beans, asparagus
stems, you name it, they love it (except parsley--they haven't figured out
that's edible yet).

----------------
Scottee Meade <Scottee@huskynet.com> 'Tee Party Bostons
Burke, VA
Halley, Boston terrier, 12-1/2 years old, diagnosed 5/97, Chinese Herbal
therapy
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:53:11 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: "cushings" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Loose stools
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:16:26 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: CUSHNOID FRIEND
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> I guess what I am asking about, is, what has been the experience of other
> Cushnoid parents whose babies are on Anipryl? Are you still seeing a
> progression in the symptoms of Cushings? Possibly at a slower rate? Or
> maybe fewer symptoms are developing? Has anyone had problems with Anipryl
> where there babies have crashed as they can when they are on lysodren as my
> little Cinders did? (That will be another story. She is doing much better
> now, but I'm not really sure how I am doing after that experience.) Please
> Anipryl people, could you give me some information on the progress of your
> puppies on this drug. I need to know both for Elliott and my little girl
> Cinders( who used to be on Anipryl and never crashed and now is on lysodren
> and almost went to the Rainbow Bridge).
>
> I'll be looking forward to any information that you can give me. I'll also
> give you more info about my baby, Rella(Cinders), a 14 year old miniature
> schnauzer who was diagnosed with Cushings in March, 1998 . Thanks for
> anything you can tell me.
>
> Laura, Rella(Cinders), and Snowy (my lemon dog--until now)
> laurka@aol.com Laura Spohn

Pinetta is on day 31 of Anipryl and seems "ok" though her Cushings symptoms always
minimal. Had it not been failure to lose weight on diet and a very knowledgable
vet, who knew what the "old dog warts" and age spots; the hard lumps on her back,
the lipoma's on her belly......meant. So far, so good. Pinetta's not really
"changed" after being on the Anipryl...and I've noticed no runny stools or
vomiting, which I believe are the two main side effects to watch for. We went
back to vet yesterday for a T4 check on thyroid. Last month we cut her dosage in
half. Her appetite hasn't seemed to change......will eat everything in sight, so
I'm hoping that in the next 2 - 4 weeks perhaps this will change. We are still
not getting very far with weight loss. I do understand that Anipryl can take as
long as 6/8 weeks to see an affect.

susan & pinetta ------the hundred degree stuff has to go OR i will start peeing in
the house.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:23:15 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
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Thomas D Johnston wrote:

> If it is unlikely that a four year old would have Cushings what about a
> six year old? My mini Schnauzer was diagnosed with diabetes last January
> and with Cushings three months ago. She has just turned seven. Does this
> mean that the tests are wrong and I should question the diagnosis?
>
> I have also been told that my other mini, who has a portosystemic shunt,
> would most likely not live beyond one year of age, would waste and crash.
> She is now two, over weight and a delight. Should I question the
> results of two diagnosis because she does not fit the norm?
>
> Just asking.
>
> Tom, Jesse and Uta (the plump one)
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>

Tom,

Pinetta just turned 7 in March and tested out for Cushings. My vet
didn't call it borderline, or mention any normality about results. Though
once I found out symptoms, I can go back to last summer and recall when
Pinetta put on 3 lbs (on a controlled diet), lost her hair, had back-end
loss, developed age spots and "old dog warts" (as my old vet called them).
Moving around X-mas, and after tromping to 2 new vets; my current one now
suspected Cushings from the beginning and how grateful we are.......though
weight just now starting to stabilize...hasn't really gained anymore....but
not lost either. Also heard that some breeds more susceptible than
others, don't know if true, and Pinetta being 1/2 poodle falls in the list.
Also recall dachunds in the list.

susan & pinetta

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:52:29 EDT
From: Adrenal@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
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In a message dated 6/20/98 8:33:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
write2tom@juno.com writes:

<< If it is unlikely that a four year old would have Cushings what about a
six year old? My mini Schnauzer was diagnosed with diabetes last January
and with Cushings three months ago. She has just turned seven. Does this
mean that the tests are wrong and I should question the diagnosis?

It may that your dog does have Cushings but it is very hard to make the
diagnosis especially in a dog with diabetes. The bottom line is did the dog
improve after the treatment.

have also been told that my other mini, who has a portosystemic shunt,
would most likely not live beyond one year of age, would waste and crash.
She is now two, over weight and a delight. Should I question the
results of two diagnosis because she does not fit the norm?

Most dogs that do not have surgery do not live a normal life span. Did your
dog have surgery? How was the diagnosis made?

Dr Bruyette

Just asking.

Tom, Jesse and Uta (the plump one)
>>

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:37:51 EDT
From: LisaVann@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Age and Cushings
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Tom....

Just a word of encouragement.....I had until last November a maltese with a
congenital, inoperable portosystemic shunt who lived to be 8 years old. She
was diagnosed at a university teaching hospital at about 3 months of age and
the owners at the time could not justify keeping her, so I adopted her . The
specialists at the veterinary school told me that she would probably have
about a year or so...little did they know that she had a heart big as texas,
even if she did only weigh 5 lbs soaking wet. She did have to take
medications ( lactulose and antibiotics) daily to keep her ammonia down, but
she did great until Nov 7th when her ammonia got REALLY high and she had some
neurologic changes. It was hard to let her go, but at least she beat the odds
for a LONG time and had great quality of life and spread happiness all the
way.

Good luck!
Lisa

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:32:44 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: HOT Weather
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Hi Susan,
Do you live in Florida? Pinettas comment made me think so, because I live in
Florida and that is exactly what my furkids think! This weather is simply awful!
They say that there is no relief in sight for us :(

-- Liza and Boomer

Susan West wrote:

> ....
> susan & pinetta ------the hundred degree stuff has to go OR i will start peeing in
> the house.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:36:01 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's Age
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Heck, Schonus has just turned 5 when he was being worked up for
Cushings!! I think it's time to rewrite the history books!!

Linda

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:46:50 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Water Intake
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Can someone PLEASE explain something to me or let me know if they are
experiencing water intakes levels to vary so much from day to day?????

Schonus has gone from drinking 1 1/2 gallons of water two days ago and
now today is back to where he should be . . around three quarts. Every
time I call my Vet to let him know of the increase....whamo....his water
intake drops back to normal!! His water intake increases the day AFTER
his maintenance dose and then decreases the day BEFORE his next
maintenance dose. He's now getting 1500 mgs. twice a week.

Got good news tho...we changed Schonus' food and his colitis is almost
cured!! I never thought I would be happy about seeing normal stool!!
He was up to going 8 times a day and is now down to 4 times.

I sure hope someone can explain this or is experiencing the same problem
( if it is one)....I need to buy stock in Clairol!

Linda

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:08:53 4
From: alcck@mail.enter.net
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: alcck@enter.net
Subject: Re: Anipryl to Lysodren
Message-ID: <199806220206.WAA12312@mail.enter.net>

> David Bruyette wrote,
>> First of all if is very unlikely that a 4 year old dog would develop Cushings
>> disease. The average age is 14 yrs. Are we absolutely sure of the diagnosis?
>>
>> Secondly about 20% of dogs will have a normal SAP not 1-2 %.
>>
>> Thirdly, there is no data on how long Anipryl will be effective in your dog or
>> any other. The drud has only been around for 1 year and the longest we have
>> had any dogs on the medication has been about 3.5 years during the clinical
> trials.

David,

Thanks for the feedback. We have had three different Veterinary
Doctors from three different (and independent) practices who have
reviewed Casey's test results and symptoms, and they have all come
to the same conclusion. I find it very surprising that 14 years of
age is the average age that a dog would develop cushings.
As far of the diagnosis, I have not yet received a copy of the
high dose dex test, but the low dose dex test shows the following,,
Cortisol 8:30 AM 9.5 uG/DL
Cortisol 1:30 PM .7 uG/DL
Cortisol 5:50 PM 4.6 uG/DL
(The lab test document states "A Normal dog will show suppression of
cortisol below 1.5 uG/DL at 8 hrs post administration of a low dose of
dexamethasone." - Omega Medical Laboratories)

As far as only 20% of dogs having a normal SAP reading whom have
cushings. I am only forwarding the information that my vet here in
Penna relayed to me after he reviewed the results of Casey's test
results with a Veterinary Doctor whom is an internal specialist
in Louisiana.

The effectiveness of anipryl being estimated to be 2 to 5 years again
was a comment relayed to us from the internal specialist. My
concern is if we put Casey on Anipryl now, knowing that he will
have to be converted to lysodren at a future date, perhaps there
is less risk in placing him on lysodren now. Anipryl seems like
the correct decision for Casey, but if he is on Anipryl for 5 years,
after which it becomes ineffective, perhaps putting him on Lysodren
will result in a new complications.

To take this arguement further, it would seem that if no studies or
limited studies have been done to determine the effective life
of anipryl or the migration of medication from anirpyl to lysodren,
then those of us which have young dogs who have cushings must
understand the state of research for this medication and possible
future consequences.

Craig & Donna & Ashley & Nathan & Casey (4 years old today)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:33:34 -0500
From: "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
To: "cushing's list" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Lifespan of Anipryl
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Could one of the vets on the list clairify for me (and others possibly)
about the comment made about Anipryl only being effective for 3-5 years. I
don't want to think that Punkin will have to go through a 3-5 year life with
one drug only to have it become ineffective and have to trade over to a drug
that has been available the entire time of her illness. Punkin has done
very well, up until day 29, on Anipryl and I felt that this was the answer
for her illness. Am I just fooling myself on this? Dr. Cone spoke with my
parents today and is happy with Punkin's weekend at "Vet Med" =*) Stools
now have a "distinct roundness" to them...never thought I'd be rejoicing
over the firmness of dog poop but you take your joy where you find it I
guess! Punkin is going home tomorrow and my poor parents are considering
hardwood floors for the entire house...mom asked me if diarrhea will be part
of the illness from here on out, just didn't have the heart to tell her that
it possibly could be, just reminded her that hardwood is soooo popular these
days!

Thanks for all of the advice on diet adjustments for Punkin...she just loves
brown rice so at least that's not a hurdle we have to overcome.

Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:38:43 -0500
From: "Chris and Michelle Dauten" <cdauten@planetkc.com>
To: "cushing's list" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: vaccines/ other preventives for Cushing's pets
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Forgot to ask this earlier, but is it okay for a Cushing's pet to use
products such as Frontline, Advantage, etc? My parents live is a very rural
area and I feel like Punkin needs some kind of protection from those "other
critters" out there that could make her sick. What's the ruling on this?

Michelle & Punkin the PWC
cdauten@planetkc.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:07:19 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: vaccines/ other preventives for Cushing's pets
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In a message dated 6/21/1998 10:45:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cdauten@planetkc.com writes:

<< Forgot to ask this earlier, but is it okay for a Cushing's pet to use
products such as Frontline, Advantage, etc? >>

Michelle, I've used both Program and Frontline on my Cushings baby,
and she's fine. She's allergic to fleas, so keeping them under control is
critical.

Jackie

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:12:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Caregiver burnout (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:20:00 -0700
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
Subject: Re: Caregiver burnout

This is something I experienced too. We felt we could only go places where
we could take Ebony with us and eventually we were rating each place on a
stress vs non-stress scale as well. Some places were easy/relaxing for her
and others were more stressful (even high excitement can be stressful). As
the result we didn't go many places.

There were several times after Ebony's death when we started to say "no, we
can't do that/go there" and realized we could and felt a bit relieved.
That made us feel guilty too. I still have an "internal alarm" that goes
off from time to time to remind me to give Ebony her medication. Then I'll
remember she doesn't need it anymore and that Loki doesn't need medication
(crossed fingers) and I'll have an emotional battle between sadness, guilt
and relief. It's complicated. It does all get better with time. I still
miss her of course.

At 09:48 AM 6/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I'll admit a feeling of guilty relief when Ivan died. We had decided that we
>could no longer take any vacations away from him due to the increasing amount
>of attention he required. We didn't want to board him because of the stress.
> My sister had stayed at our house on several occasions, but that was more
>because she loved him almost as much as we did. But a full-time job
eliminated
>her as a candidate.
>
>It's hard. Getting a couple of days off, for whatever reason, seems to make
>the rest of the year a little easier.
>
>Finding a good petsitter is a godsend. We have a neighbor who will visit
>Bonnie and Toby, but we couldn't ask her to take care of Ivan.
>
>
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon.pyron@amd.com
>Hell hath no fury like root.
>
--
kathleen richards kilty@tstonramp.com
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~ -dire straits