CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 43
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: stumbling Jesse
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
2) Re: Pixie
by meri <meric@execpc.com>
3) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
4) Re: introduction Merri
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
5) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by JCirino@aol.com
6) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
7) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by JCirino@aol.com
8) Re: introduction Merri
by meri <meric@execpc.com>
9) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
10) Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription (fwd from Kathleen)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
11) Re: [MUFFIN] Rosie - Need Quick Help 1:00 p.m. C.S.T. (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
12) Anipryl
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
13) Generic Drugs
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
14) Re:
by Elizabeth Rubin <ehr@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
15) Re: introduction Merri
by CBABTPC@aol.com
16) Re: Anipryl
by DesignSue@aol.com
17) Lambriar and med
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
18) Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
19) RE: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
20) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
21) Flea medications
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
22) Re: Pixie
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
23) Re: introduction
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
24) RE: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
25) Re: Pixie
by DFRS2@aol.com
26) Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
27) Bloat and Cushing's?
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
28) easing symptoms
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
29) Re: easing symptoms
by JCirino@aol.com
30) Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
by CBABTPC@aol.com
31) Re: Flea medications
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
32) Re: Flea medications
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
33) Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
34) Re[2]: Flea medications
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
35) Re: easing symptoms
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
36) Re: Re[2]: Flea medications
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
37) Re: Re[2]: Flea medications
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
38) Fwd: [MUFFIN] Re: Rosie Update
by DFRS2@aol.com
39) Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
by DFRS2@aol.com
40) Re: easing symptoms
by Miner <marcia@nortexinfo.net>
41) Puffin's panting
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
42) Re: Puffin's panting
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
43) Intro/We lost the battle
by Joan Shirokey <c.shirokey@csu-e.csuohio.edu>
44) RE: Intro/We lost the battle
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
45) Strengthening the immune system with vitamins
by Glimpact@aol.com
46) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
47) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by Danestuff@aol.com
48) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by Marge Gagliardi <anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us>
49) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
50) Re: introduction Merri
by "Jill Smith" <jill@n-w.co.uk>
51) Back Home
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
52) deafness was: introduction Merri
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
53) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
54) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by DesignSue@aol.com
55) Re: deafness was: introduction Merri
by JCirino@aol.com
56) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by Elizabeth Rubin <ehr@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
57) it is getting hot!
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
58) Re: Deafness and Cushings
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
59) Re: Generic Drugs
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
60) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
61) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by DFRS2@aol.com
62) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by DFRS2@aol.com
63) Off Topic: 3 WISHES
by DFRS2@aol.com
64) RE: Generic Drugs
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
65) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by JCirino@aol.com
66) Re: Generic Drugs
by Caroline Levin <cdlevin@teleport.com>
67) relief
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
68) Re: Anipryl (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
69) Re: relief
by JCirino@aol.com
70) Re: relief
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
71) Intro/We lost the battle
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
72) Flea control
by Glimpact@aol.com
73) More flea control info
by Glimpact@aol.com
74) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by meri <meric@execpc.com>
75) Re: Flea control
by Danestuff@aol.com
76) Addison's
by Danestuff@aol.com
77) DIET
by "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
78) [Fwd: Addison's Disease]
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
79) She's here!
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
80) Re: Flea control
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
81) Re: She's here!
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
82) Re: She's here!
by CBABTPC@aol.com
83) Re: She's here!
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
84) Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
85) Progress of Terrible Ted
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
86) Humans and Cushings.
by "Jill Smith" <jill@n-w.co.uk>
87) Re: Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
88) Re: Addison's
by Glimpact@aol.com
89) Re: Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
by CBABTPC@aol.com
90) Re: Humans and Cushings.
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
91) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
92) Flea control info from the alt vet med web site
by Glimpact@aol.com
93) Canine Cooler Beds
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
94) Re: Canine Cooler beds
by Danestuff@aol.com
95) Re: Canine Cooler Beds
by CBABTPC@aol.com
96) Re: Canine Cooler beds
by CBABTPC@aol.com
97) Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
98) Inspiration for the Day (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
99) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
100) Re: Canine Cooler beds
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
101) Canine Cooler Beds
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
102) Easing symptoms
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
103) CUSHINGS-PETS
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
104) New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
105) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
106) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
107) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
108) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
by JCirino@aol.com
109) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
110) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
111) Re: Canine Cooler Beds
by CBABTPC@aol.com
112) Re: New Cushings Pet
by LCady@aol.com
113) Canine Cooler Beds question
by kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
114) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
115) Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
116) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
117) Re: Easing symptoms
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
118) Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
by CBABTPC@aol.com
119) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
120) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
121) Re: Easing symptoms
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
122) Lysodren Compound
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
123)
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
124) Re: New Cushings Pet
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
125) Re: New Cushings Pet
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
126) Re: Lysodren Compound
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
127) Canine Cooler Beds
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
128) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
129) Re: New Cushings Pet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
130) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
131) Re:
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
132) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
133) Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
by kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
134) Re:
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
135) Puffin
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
136) Surgery for pituitary tumors
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
137) Re:
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
138) Re:
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
139) Re: Puffin
by JCirino@aol.com
140) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
141) Re:
by CBABTPC@aol.com
142) Re: Puffin
by CBABTPC@aol.com
143) Re:
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
144) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
145) Re:
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
146) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
147) Re: Puffin
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
148) lugging the beds
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
149) Re: lugging the beds
by JCirino@aol.com
150) My we're a chatty bunch today...
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
151) Re: Puffin
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
152) Re: My we're a chatty bunch today...
by JCirino@aol.com
153) Re: Easing symptoms
by Glimpact@aol.com
154) Canine Cooler
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
155) Canine Bed Question
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
156) Canine Cooler Bed
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
157) Canine Cooler Bed
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
158) Re: New Cushings Pet
by LCady@aol.com
159) Re: Canine Cooler Bed
by CBABTPC@aol.com
160) Re: Easing symptoms
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
161) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
162) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
163) Re: Easing symptoms
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
164) Re:
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
165) Re: New Cushings Pet
by LCady@aol.com
166) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS digest 41 - Milk Thistle in Particular
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
167) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
168) Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
169) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
170) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by JCirino@aol.com
171) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
172) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
173) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
174) Natural flea control
by Glimpact@aol.com
175) Canine Cooler Beds
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
176) Cooler Bed
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
177) new to list
by Kim Osborn <jkosborn@napanet.net>
178) Re: new to list
by JCirino@aol.com
179) Re: Cooler Bed
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
180) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by Danestuff@aol.com
181) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS digest 41 - Milk Thistle in Particular
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
182) Natural dog food
by Glimpact@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:18:30 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: stumbling Jesse
Message-ID: <19980713.071832.13950.17.Write2Tom@juno.com>
I was awakened last night by Uta's whimpering to find Jesse stumbling
around and acting very disoriented. I checked her BG and she was at 431,
one and one-half hour after feeding and her final injection of the day.
I
watched her for about an hour and at 1:15 AM called the vet. I met him
at the clinic and he drew blood and checked her out. Her adrenalin was so
high at the clinic that she appeared to make a liar of me, bouncing
around, barking, etc. As we were about to leave once again her back legs
began to give. Nothing physically wrong with her legs, eyes ok, pulse ok,
heart rate ok. When we got home I walked her for a few minutes and once
again she stumbled and staggered as if she were drunk. I will know
after 9 this morning what the blood works shows. Any comments? Oh, yes,
she did have her weekly lysodren dosage yesterday after having a bath and
clipping and along with her mid-day feeding.
She seems to be back to normal this morning (4 hours later).
Clues?
Tom, Jesse and Uta the Nurse Dog
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:04:01 -0600
From: meri <meric@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pixie
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tom i am so glad things are going better for pixie. its so scary to
battle these diseases and put our beloved pets through all the testing.
i know with my schip Tisza who has been diabetic and cushinoid for about
7 yrs i feel just terrible sometimes. i wish i could explain to her why
i have to leave her at the vet to be poked and prodded and leave her
home for a few days. when she was struggling to be regualted on her
insulin she went so often that she began pooping in the car out of fear.
good luck and i hope things continue to go well for pixie
meri
Tom Reighney wrote:
> snip>
> Pixie is a 10.5 year old Cocker/Peek mix. She was diagnosed with
> Cushing's Syndrome in May, 1998.
> end of her life. She had lost nearly 20% of her body weight. The vet
> gave her another cortisone and B complex injections and told us to
> reduce her medication to 500 mg/weekly. That was 2 weeks ago. Now she
is
> like a puppy!
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:45:55 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Gretle the cushings/diabetic mini-dachshund never seems to get tired
of
carrots. She gets them cooked and cut up in the evening meal. I saw a
lot
of posts on the diabetic list where the pets were fed a lot of carrots.
I
have not heard of any problems yet?
Gretle stopped drinking water and now gets all of her water from eating
lettuce. She is on Anipryl. Anyone heard of this?
chester
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 4:09 PM
Subject: Re:
>Randy:
>
> I am just going down to the amount you are feeding Sunny (1/4
can RD
and
>1/3 cup dry) though Pinetta won't eat dry RD so we use Pro-plans lite.
In
>addition, she gets 5/6 Science Diet Lite Treats a day. She still acts
like
>she's starving. After trying to get her to eat green beans, wax beans,
>cucumbers, lettuce, brocolli, cauliflower, dill pickles, tomatoes,
>mushrooms,,etc.........i had given up on a veggie filler......the vet
suggested
>carrots, BINGO, she loves them. Bought the small ones that are usually
used in
>stir-fried and cut them up raw and mix with food. She picks out the
carrots
>to eat first; so we may finally be on to something here. Like you,
her
weight
>loss has been minimal for the last 3 years she's been on the RD........she
is
>beginning to lose a little (thank god, no more gain) since been on Anipryl
the
>end of May.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with carrots? I asked the vet
if
she
>could have all she wanted........and she said absolutely.
>
>susan
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:58:21 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: introduction Merri
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I noticed that deafness is a side effect of Anipryl, is that also a side
effect of what you were using? It is good to hear of Tisza doing so well
for so long and the success of getting regulated. It seems that you should
be telling us all how you did it.
chester
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From: meri <meric@execpc.com>
To: cushings <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>; muffin
<Majordomo@esosoft.com>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:40 AM
Subject: introduction
>hi
>i am new to the list and would like to introduce myself.
>i am the proud human of luke (5 mo old aussie, and tisza 13+ yr old
>schip).
>tisza was diagonsed diabetic and cushiod about 6 or 7 yrs ago. the
road
>to getting her regulated with the diabetes was a rough one. now 3 vets
>later she has been fairly stable for about 5 yrs. we have had our bouts
>with high bg, but for the most part she does well. she is now blind
and
>deaf as well. she gets 8 u of lily nph 2X daily.
>i am devoted to this little angel. her daughter was also diabetic but
>never diagnosed as cushinoid. she died about a month ago, it broke
our
>hearts.
>i am looking forward to learning more about how others handle the
>diseases, and finding ways to help tisza.
>
>meri
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:02:56 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Chester,
My dog is also on anipryl. What type of food/diet is your dog on besides
the
carrots that is. How long have you been using the anipryl? This is all new
to
me and curious about feeding a better diet. So far, I only know that my
dog
has Cushings.
Joan
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:28:51 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Gretle is on Hills Wd which is high fiber for the diabetes so her diet
will
be different than the pets with cushings only. I just went to a four meal
per day schedule to try to level out her blood sugar. she has been on
Anipryl since the end of February and I am getting worried that she may
need
a reduction but am still in the watching stage. I do not hear about anyone
reducing the Anipryl and wonder why.
chester
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From: JCirino@aol.com <JCirino@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
>Chester,
>My dog is also on anipryl. What type of food/diet is your dog on besides
the
>carrots that is. How long have you been using the anipryl? This is all
new
to
>me and curious about feeding a better diet. So far, I only know that
my dog
>has Cushings.
>Joan
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:01 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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In a message dated 98-07-13 10:30:24 EDT, you write:
<< I do not hear about anyone
reducing the Anipryl and wonder why. >>
Hi Chester,
Is the anipryl for diabetes also or just cushings. I thought the this drug
really has no bad side effects compared with others and maybe that is why
you
don't hear of any reductions in dosage. Since mine only has cushings, I
assumed it would be a lifelong med for him unless something else developed.
Joan
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:06:10 -0600
From: meri <meric@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: introduction Merri
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chester
hmmm i am not sure if deafness is a side effect of lysodren...does
anyone know, i figured it was old age. as far as success in getting her
regulated, i dont think i am doing anything different from all of u.
this is what i do
1. stayed with a vet i have faith in and shows concern and empathy for
the tisza's situation (and also had success in treatment) and listen to
everything they have to say, conference with them and stick to the plan
2. use a high quality food, which can be tricky when they are fussy
eaters
3. extreme limitations on treats, usually limited to when i give her
the insulin injections
4. fairly stable routine & exercise (when i got divorced and first
moved out she had diabetic seizures every month for half a year - she
was stressed too)
5. lots and lots and lots of love
she is my sweetie i would do anything for her. i almost lost her right
after her daughter died. she had a tooth infection which caused
everything to go kablooey, she had to go on iv's etc. but she recovered
well and is happy and healthy again.
meri
chester b. smith wrote:
>
> I noticed that deafness is a side effect of Anipryl, is that also a
side
> effect of what you were using? It is good to hear of Tisza doing so
well
> for so long and the success of getting regulated. It seems that you
should
> be telling us all how you did it.
> chester
> >
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:45 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Joan:
The diabetes is supposed to be a side effect of the cushings and a reduction
in the steroids caused by the cushings sometimes helps the diabetes but
Gretle is still having some problems. The Anipryl is only for the cushings
as a direct medication. The side effects for the Anipryl do appear to be
a
lot less than the other meds but the insert with the Anipryl does set out
some of them. Also there is not that much experience with the Anipryl so
I
am looking at a lot closer to see if anything new develops.
chester
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From: JCirino@aol.com <JCirino@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
>In a message dated 98-07-13 10:30:24 EDT, you write:
>
><< I do not hear about anyone
> reducing the Anipryl and wonder why. >>
>
>Hi Chester,
>Is the anipryl for diabetes also or just cushings. I thought the this
drug
>really has no bad side effects compared with others and maybe that is
why
you
>don't hear of any reductions in dosage. Since mine only has cushings,
I
>assumed it would be a lifelong med for him unless something else developed.
>Joan
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:04:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription (fwd from Kathleen)
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:00:08 -0700
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
Subject: Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
At 05:29 PM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Jan Glover wrote about a low-cost distributor for Anipryl (Lambriar
Animal
>Health Care). I was so thankful to learn of this company, because that
>medication is so expensive. They require a prescription, naturally,
before
>they can dispense the meds, so I contacted my vet. He very grudgingly
agreed
>to write the scrip, but gave me an earful about his feelings about companies
>that buy in mass quantity in order to sell product at a lower cost than
>individual vets can.
etc. ...
>Susan (and Mugsy)
We had the same experience as several others who answered this. Ebony's
vets readily suggested we might be able to get certain things more cheaply
at a "people" pharmacy. In fact, for many years (over 6) she
was a
well-known patient/client at Gemmel Pharmacy here for her epilepsy and
other regular meds. The only meds she got from the vet were ones where
there was no human equivalent. We did get the Anipryl from the vet, but
we
were looking to switch that too (the dosage sizes were different for humans
and Ebony was a very small dog).
If you have *any* concerns about your vet not being there completely
for
you because of something like this, please make an appointment to talk with
him/her about your fears! A good vet would welcome the chance to clear
the
air. We had to do this when our vet and the vet he took in as a sort of
"partner" at one point started turning Ebony's care into some
sort of
competition. Good luck!
--
kathleen richards kilty@tstonramp.com
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~ -dire straits
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:09:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Rosie - Need Quick Help 1:00 p.m. C.S.T. (fwd)
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:10:24 -0400
From: Pat and Craig Coykendall <pccoyken@nac.net>
To: DFRS2@aol.com
CC: Muffin@esosoft.com, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Rosie - Need Quick Help 1:00 p.m. C.S.T.
DFRS2@aol.com wrote:
>
> Okay.....Here is what you are best at.....
>
> I need immediate advice if you wouldn't mind responding.
>
> We are all use to so many things going on with our pets, I by all means
do not
> want to panic and overact nor do I want to simplify this current issue
that
> has arised with Rosie...... So I am turning to my Muffin and Cushings
Pets
> list because I trust the level headed feedback always given.
>
> Saturday morning, my husband and I had to go out of town and our son
was
> working. No problem, because our son was perfectly capable of caring
for
> Rosie. However, it started when he came home from work. Rosie had
gone to
> the bathroom in the kitchen....1 and 2! This is out of character for
her
> since we have regulated her Cushings and Diabetes. Virtually no more
pu/pd.
> Then again Sunday. Our son left for work at 7:30 a.m.....we got home
at 12:00
> noon and Rosie had again gone to the bathroom again.
>
> I realize the above information can be simply behavorial but wanted
to mention
> them anyway. In these groups we sometimes have the strangest things
in
> common...if you know what I mean. The big concern is really about
the blood
> clots I saw in her urine today! I have called the emergency vet and
they are
> suggesting that I bring her in today and suggested I not wait until
tomorrow
> for my regular vet. Rosie appears to feel fine otherwise.
>
> I am depending on you guys for feedback. It seems I have read that
bladdar
> problems can cause blood to be present in urine, but need more info.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Judy and Rosie (I don't know what all the fuss is....I feel fine!)
Judy,
A couple of years ago, just as my husband left the house for the
airport (wouldn't you know it), Brittany (DD, but not yet then), stood
up and there on the kitchen floor was a puddle of blood clotted urine.
Sorry to say, but I did panic and called the vet. The only thing they
had me do was bring in a urine sample which they sent out while also
doing an in hospital urinalysis which confirmed an infection. Later
test came back with dx of hemorraghic (sp) cyctitis. She was put on
antibiotics immediately on the basis of the in hospital test. She was
at the door hourly day and night for the next few days, though
strangely, she did not exhibit that behavior prior to the kitchen
"accident". I do recall she was going out more often, but I didn't
take
it as a cue for something medically wrong.(duh!) Anyway I would ask the
emergency vet if it would be ok and not potentially harmful to Rosie if
you could just run over a urine sample and not have to bring Rosie in.
Then tomorrow call your own vet with the results if it proves to be an
infection. If they see no bacteria on the slide, then get her over to
the emergency vet for an exam as that may indicate a more serious
porblem. Britt really didn't act sick either with the bloody urine so it
sounds very much like Rosie may have the same thing. BTW, I was behind
her with a cup during her illness to make sure that her urine was no
longer bloody. I would also clean her "bottom" with a wet paper
towel
each time she went out so she wouldn't become irritated by the urine and
blood.
Good luck and let all of us know how you made out.
Pat & Britt (Mom's chasing me around with that cup again!)
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:59:45 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'Cushings listserv'" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Anipryl
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I met with Herbie's vet on Friday to pick up his first round of Anipryl
and to discuss the drug. I showed him a printout of an email from Susan
Gendon, where she gives price information from Lambriar. This actually
lead to a very informative conversation about deep-discount drugs.
My vet was very supportive of my efforts to find Anipryl at a lower
cost. In fact, he encouraged me! He said vets aren't in the business
of supplying drugs, so if you buy meds from a vet, you're no doubt going
to pay more. He encouraged me to call various pharmacies for price
quotes and to check out Lambriar.
He had a some words of caution he wanted me to pass on to all of you.
He said he recently attended an Internist convention and the topic of
deep-discount drug companies came up. There have been problems with
these companies compounding their drugs incorrectly. He said depending
on the drug, this can be dangerous and even life threatening. Another
problem is that some of these places buy their drugs from outside the
U.S. (they've especially had problems with drugs from Mexico). And
again, often these drugs are compounded incorrectly.
He said no matter where we buy the drugs, we need to make absolutely
sure that the drugs come in the original (manufacturer's) product
packaging!! He said if it comes in bottles similar to the way we get
some of our human medications, be very wary!!! This indicates that the
drug has been compounded. He said there is really no way to determine
if the drug's been compounded correctly, unless you take it to a lab to
be tested. Also, be wary of packaging that looks "official" but
is not
from the manufacturer!
Drugs you buy from vets should be safe. They buy their drugs from
reliable sources that DO compound correctly. He also said just because
there have been problems with several deep-discount companies, this does
not mean that every one of them is trying to rip us off. He just wants
us to be aware that this is an issue.
Anyway, now I need to know about Lambriar Animal Health Care. For those
of you who've bought Anipryl from them, does is come in packages from
the manufacturer (i.e., little white star-shaped pills that you punch
out of foil & plastic packages, and these packages are contained in
boxes)? Please let me know... I'd really like to order from them if
possible!
--Shari and Herbie Peterson
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:02:25 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'Cushings listserv'" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Generic Drugs
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Herbie's vet also shared some interesting news about generic drugs.
He
said the latest research shows that generic drugs are not well-tolerated
by dogs. He wanted me to ask if anyone on this list has used generic
drugs before, and if so, how did your pet tolerate it?
Thanks for your feedback!
--Shari and Herbie Peterson
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:53:25 -0700
From: Elizabeth Rubin <ehr@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:
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<font size=3D3>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Does anyone have any experience
with=
carrots?=A0=A0 I
asked the vet if she<br>
>could have all she wanted........and she said absolutely.<br>
><br>
>susan<br>
> <br>
<br>
Yes Susan<br>
<br>
My little dogs love them. In fact, this is a very common teething treat
in the Brussells Griffon breed. I have been giving Gabby<br>
even more carrots since he has developed Cushings.....of course there is
still no weight loss.<br>
I also use the baby carrots...they are cold and moist right from the
Fridge and I think that might help cool him while meeting his appetite
needs.<br>
<br>
BTW, I started Gabby on Lysodren Thursday ... no horror stories...I want
to write to all whom have given me support with<br>
this..(when I get a moment from work)...Right now, thanks=20
everyone!!<br>
<br>
Elizabeth</font>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:17:21 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: introduction Merri
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In a message dated 7/13/98 9:00:02 AM, you wrote:
>I noticed that deafness is a side effect of Anipryl,
Just a curious side note to this. I had noticed that deafness was noted
in the
literature as a side effect of Anipryl, but I was not overly concerned because
Targa seemed to be profoundly deaf already, prior to starting treatment.
(It
happened at the same time that she went blind and made everything doubly
difficult.) I was even on the deaf dogs list, trying to find some way to
communicate with a blind AND deaf dog.
Well, she is hearing again!! Quite well actually. It was sort of gradual-
we
noticed that she was hearing certain sounds, and now I can't even sneak
onto
the computer in the morning, because she hears" You've got mail!"
from her
sleeping spot in the next room, and immediately demands her food!
I suppose it is possible that it was a cognitive problem, rather than
an
organic one, and that the Anipryl has corrected it. In any case, it's been
much easier to help her navigate through life now that she can hear again.
Anne and Targa
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:38:15 EDT
From: DesignSue@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In answer to your question about getting Anipryl from Lambriar, after
I
ordered it, it came directly from Pfizer, the drug manufacturer in the
original packaging. I was surprised that it did come direct from Pfizer,
but
that way there could hardly be any question about the drug's authenticity.
Hope this helps.
Susan G. and Spenser the poodle
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:55:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lambriar and med
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You don't have to worry about Lambriar getting Anipryl from weird sources.
Lambriar
gets their Anipryl directly from Pfizer, the makers of Anipryl.
Jan Glover, Seattle, WA
Dudley, my Cushings dog
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Danielle Glover aka BoxFive
gloverdr@whitman.edu or boxfive@phantom.ml.org
www.whitman.edu/~gloverdr
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:06:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
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'Scuse me but I think your vet is wrong, wrong, wrong! My vet has his
receptionist call all over town to locate the cheapest price of
Anipryl for me. I go to the pharmacy of a local hospital and, thanks to
his intervention, pay $30/month, or around $1 per 10 mg. capsule.
As for diet, Sweetie is still on R/D, 1/4 can and 1/4 cup kibble twice
a
day, topped with yoghurt, several green beans, flaxseed oil and her many
pills wrapped in raw ground beef. She has gone from 32 lbs. to 25 lbs.
since January on this diet, which will need revising soon, as she's almost
stabilized at her appropriate weight.
Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, 8.5 yrs.
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 Spot210@aol.com wrote:
> Jan Glover wrote about a low-cost distributor for Anipryl (Lambriar
Animal
> Health Care). I was so thankful to learn of this company, because
that
> medication is so expensive. They require a prescription, naturally,
before
> they can dispense the meds, so I contacted my vet. He very grudgingly
agreed
> to write the scrip, but gave me an earful about his feelings about
companies
> that buy in mass quantity in order to sell product at a lower cost
than
> individual vets can.
>
> He really laid the guilt trip on me. I empathize with his situation,
but I
> told him that $100 a month to treat my dog indefinitely is really prohibitive
> for me. A rep from Lambriar assured me that they buy direct from the
> manufacturer.
>
> I guess I just wanted to share my experience with the forum. I felt
that I
> was doing the right thing for my pet--my vet even told me when my dog
was dx'd
> in November that I should look around for a better price, but when
I found the
> better price, he gave me a hard time! Any comments or thoughts on
this would
> be appreciated. I'm feeling pretty glum about the whole thing. I
don't want
> to be on the bad side of my vet when my dog is sick--I'd like to have
his
> support during these difficult days!
> Susan (and Mugsy)
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:16:23 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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It wasn't clear to me what you were saying Susan's vet is wrong about.
Are you saying he's wrong to discourage her from finding a cheaper
source for Anipryl? If so, I agree.
--Shari and Herbie Peterson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jenny Kellstedt [SMTP:jk@bradley.bradley.edu]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 5:07 PM
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
>
> 'Scuse me but I think your vet is wrong, wrong, wrong! My vet has his
> receptionist call all over town to locate the cheapest price of
> Anipryl for me. I go to the pharmacy of a local hospital and, thanks
> to
> his intervention, pay $30/month, or around $1 per 10 mg. capsule.
>
> As for diet, Sweetie is still on R/D, 1/4 can and 1/4 cup kibble twice
> a
> day, topped with yoghurt, several green beans, flaxseed oil and her
> many
> pills wrapped in raw ground beef. She has gone from 32 lbs. to 25 lbs.
> since January on this diet, which will need revising soon, as she's
> almost
> stabilized at her appropriate weight.
>
> Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, 8.5 yrs.
> jk@bradley.bradley.edu
>
> On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 Spot210@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Jan Glover wrote about a low-cost distributor for Anipryl (Lambriar
> Animal
> > Health Care). I was so thankful to learn of this company, because
> that
> > medication is so expensive. They require a prescription, naturally,
> before
> > they can dispense the meds, so I contacted my vet. He very
> grudgingly agreed
> > to write the scrip, but gave me an earful about his feelings about
> companies
> > that buy in mass quantity in order to sell product at a lower
cost
> than
> > individual vets can.
> >
> > He really laid the guilt trip on me. I empathize with his
> situation, but I
> > told him that $100 a month to treat my dog indefinitely is really
> prohibitive
> > for me. A rep from Lambriar assured me that they buy direct from
> the
> > manufacturer.
> >
> > I guess I just wanted to share my experience with the forum.
I felt
> that I
> > was doing the right thing for my pet--my vet even told me when
my
> dog was dx'd
> > in November that I should look around for a better price, but
when I
> found the
> > better price, he gave me a hard time! Any comments or thoughts
on
> this would
> > be appreciated. I'm feeling pretty glum about the whole thing.
I
> don't want
> > to be on the bad side of my vet when my dog is sick--I'd like
to
> have his
> > support during these difficult days!
> > Susan (and Mugsy)
> >
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:44:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Chester, Sweetie's Anipryl dosage went down from 15 to 10 mg. after she
had lost significant weight---from 32 lbs. to around 27 lbs. at that time
(now at 25 lbs.).
Is deafness definitively proved to be caused by Anipryl?
Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, chester b. smith wrote:
> Gretle is on Hills Wd which is high fiber for the diabetes so her
diet will
> be different than the pets with cushings only. I just went to a four
meal
> per day schedule to try to level out her blood sugar. she has been
on
> Anipryl since the end of February and I am getting worried that she
may need
> a reduction but am still in the watching stage. I do not hear about
anyone
> reducing the Anipryl and wonder why.
> chester
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JCirino@aol.com <JCirino@aol.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
> Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
>
>
> >Chester,
> >My dog is also on anipryl. What type of food/diet is your dog
on besides
> the
> >carrots that is. How long have you been using the anipryl? This
is all new
> to
> >me and curious about feeding a better diet. So far, I only know
that my dog
> >has Cushings.
> >Joan
> >
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:55:43 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Flea medications
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Hi everyone,
I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people
are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we have to
stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want him to
become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
immune systems?
Thanks for any advice!
Sandy and Vincent
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:27:33 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pixie
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Welcome to TomR and Pixie. Its great that things are going well for
the
two of you. You didn't say if your vet has repeated the blood test
since Pixie has been on Lysodren. The decrease in symptoms is a good
indicator that the med. is working, but the blood tests to measure
cortisol production is important to make sure you are indeed at the
proper dosage. Also be careful when your dog "crashes"...it can
be very
dangerous if they get too much Lysodren. When this happens a little
Prednisone can be a life saver. You may already know this, but thought
I would mention it anyways. Anyways, I wish you continued success with
Pixie's treatment.
-- Liza and Boomer(almost 12 yo mini poodle, diagnosed 4/98)
Tom Reighney wrote:
>
> Pixie is a 10.5 year old Cocker/Peek mix. She was diagnosed with
> Cushing's Syndrome in May, 1998. We noticed a ravenous appetite, unusual
> water consumption, and what appeared to be muscle atrophy. Thinking
she
> might be diabetic we took her to the vet. The blood test was conclusive
> for Cushing's Syndrome. The Vet's words were, "She has Cushing's,
big
> time." All of the Cushing's indicators were very, very high.
>
> She had a 10 day therapeutic dose of Lysodren. Starting with 750 mg/day
> which was reduced to 500 mg/day after 4 days. After the 4th day of
> therapy she became extremely lethargic and refused all food. After
a
> cortisone injection and reduction of Lysodren to 500 mg/day, she seemed
> to be better, but her appetite was still very diminished. At or near
the
> 10th day of therapy she lost all appetite, refusing all food. She was
> loosing her hair and was very lethargic. We thought she was nearing
the
> end of her life. She had lost nearly 20% of her body weight. The vet
> gave her another cortisone and B complex injections and told us to
> reduce her medication to 500 mg/weekly. That was 2 weeks ago. Now she
is
> like a puppy! Full of energy, even playful and seems to be enjoying
life
> again (she even barks at my daughter's boyfriend). Her appetite is
> healthy, but not ravenous. We are watching her water consumption and
it
> is appropriate for a dog her age and weight and her stomach is not
as
> distended as before. The vet has asked us to give a twice-weekly update
> and seems pleased with her progress. I am pleased with our Vet's
> concern. They have been compassionate and very helpful to us in
> understanding and treating this disease. We live in a rural area in
> Southwest Louisiana and think Pixie is getting good medical care.
>
> Perhaps we have accidentally hit on the correct therapeutic dosage.
> Pixie seems to have made a remarkable recovery, although, we are aware
> this may be temporary. I've read of others whose pets "crashed"
after 4
> or so days of Lysodren. Has anyone had a similar experience?
>
> Thanks
> TomR
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:37:32 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: introduction
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Hi Meri,
How wonderful that you have had so many wonderful years with Tiszu
since her diagnosis. It gives me hope that my Boomer will be with me
for some years to come! Glad to have a "veteran" on the list.
-- Liza and BOomer
meri wrote:
>
> hi
> i am new to the list and would like to introduce myself.
> i am the proud human of luke (5 mo old aussie, and tisza 13+ yr old
> schip).
> tisza was diagonsed diabetic and cushiod about 6 or 7 yrs ago.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:10:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
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Yes, vet is obviously wrong to discourage her from trying to obtain the
medication at a decent price, if it's the Pfizer Anipryl. Now I am
concerned that I am NOT receiving the Pfizer brand so that's a different
story.
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:23:15 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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Tom R:
Glad to hear Pixie is pulling through and becoming regulated on Lysodren.
I
have a lab, Rosie, diagnosed in March of this year. She is diabetic also
and
is now regulated and on 575 MG of Lysodren per week in two doses. One 300
mg
and one 275 mg every Tuesday and Friday. This appears to be a good level
for
her. Rosie took the load in dose well and has virtually no problems with
Lysodren at all. I hope Pixie does the same. Good luck!
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:35:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:33:30 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: Rosie Update
First of all, I would like to thank all of you who responded to my plea
for
help yesterday. The response was wonderful.
This a.m. I took a urine specimen into the vet for them to run a urine
check
and at noon my son went by to check with them and sure enough, she had a
bladder infection. The vet prescribed some antibiotics for her to take
3X per
day for 2 wks. He also wanted to change her food, but stuborn me said no
to
that. I felt that was somewhat of an over-reaction on his part.
This was Rosie's first bladder infection since she became ill in March
and you
all know how difficult it is at times to regulate their food and meds
especially with Cushing's and Diabetes. I told him I could understand a
food
change if she had experienced even two or three bladder infections, but
not
just for one. The fact that I had just purchased another case of WD might
have swayed my opinion a little.
Anyway, Rosie still appears to feel fine and no messes in the house today.
Hopefully the medication will not mess up her regulation of Lysodren or
insulin. She has been doing so well in both of these areas.
I will keep you posted on her progress and again thanks to everyone who
was
able to respond....even if they couldn't help....it was nice to know there
are
so many caring people out there. God Bless you all!
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:27:09 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bloat and Cushing's?
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My cushinoid Akita, Sam, bloated last night (and survived!). Akitas are
one of the breeds more prone to bloat, but I asked my vet if she thought
there could be any connection between the bloat and the fact that Sam
had taken her 250mg Lysodren pill with her evening meal. She thought
not, and I was far too embarrassed and upset to tell her I wasn't even
sure Sam got the pill because I was on the phone :-(. I'd put the
Lysodren in her kibble, then got distracted, and didn't know if Sam ate
it or if one of the others came along to clean up the leftovers and got
the pill.
Does anyone else have a cushinoid dog who's bloated?
Sam only had a partial torse that corrected itself so we decided not
to
have surgery as it was the middle of the night and difficult to get the
right situation for her (good surgeon, 24-hr monitoring). There were
some interesting precautions the vet took once she knew Sam had
Cushing's: she didn't pierce the swelling with a needle to let out the
air because of a Cushing's dog's tendency toward infection. There was a
chance stomach fluids might have gone into the abdominal cavity and
caused peritonitis. She also didn't try to pass a tube down Sam's throat
to let the air out of her stomach until Sam was anesthetized as she was
worried about Sam's getting aspiration (?inhalation) pneumonia. The vet
also checked carefully about Sam's previous reactions to anesthesia
because of her age and the fact that she has fibrotic lungs.
Anyway, she's doing fine; you'd never know anything happened to her
except for the shaved place on her leg for the IV catheter. Her father
and sister died after bloating and torsing, so I feel very fortunate I
was able to catch this in time.
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com
Sam, 11-11/12-yr-old Akita, diagnosed 3/98 (pituitary),
on 750 mg Lysodren weekly
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:45:09 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: easing symptoms
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While Puffin and I are waiting for Anipryl to take effect, poor Puffin
is having such a hard time, especially after we go to bed. She sleeps
all day while I'm at work, drinks about 8 oz. of water all day long and
so far has only had one "accident" during the day. During the
evening
she drinks another 8-10 oz. water, and eats about 1/3 of her dinner.
Then about 9 pm she finishes dinner, drinks another 4 oz. or so and we
go to bed around 10:30. Then it starts. Almost non-stop panting, begging
for water every 1.5 hours and the past 2 nights, asking to go out at
about 2am.
I know it takes time for Anipryl to take effect - she's been on it 17
days now after having been on Lysodren for 2 years - my question is, is
there anything else I can do to relieve some of her symptoms? I've been
thinking about taking up her food at about 7pm because it seems the
panting and drinking really start up after eating. Anybody else notice
this?
Meanwhile, I'm trying to stay awake at work. I've been through all this
before when she first was diagnosed and for 3 years before that when my
Basenji had Addison's, but I never had all you guys for suggestions. So,
what do you think?
Thanks
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:06:10 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: easing symptoms
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Sandy,
With my dog, we are now on our 7week of anipryl and I just started to see
change within the 6th week so it does take a while to effect. Differently
with
each dog I would imagine. My dog has only cushings at the moment and my
vet
does not want to restrict his water intake in anyway which we don't. I find
now that the medicine is taking effect, it is regulating itself. Food wise,
I
feed him early in the morning and basically thats his main meal for the
day.
He may get a little something at supper time but nothing major. This seems
to
work for us on keeping down accidents in the house and works for him as
well.
Joan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:07:37 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
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Judy,
Good to hear that Rosie is on the mend! I'm sure with the antibiotics
that she
will feel better very soon now
Anne and Targa
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:01:04 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Flea medications
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We used limonene (or something like that) based shampoos. You sometimes
need
two or three passes a few days apart. For the yard, I hit it with Dursban
once
a year, followed by a pass about 10 days later with Torus, an IGR. For
the
interior, there is a new product out that is both a low residue insecticide
and
an IGR. We've continued this treatment plan with Toby and Bonnie since
it
worked so well and is not very intrusive.
I'll post the name of the indoor product tomorrow. It's available here
in
Austin through Self-Chem, a place all new homeowners should check out.
:-)
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Happy Trails, to you, until we meet again.
-Roy Rogers
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:07:49 -0400
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Flea medications
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Kelso is extremely allergic to fleas and I am using Frontline once a
month
with him without any problems. It controls both fleas and ticks and won't
wash off if they get wet.
Doreen
Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com> on 07/13/98 07:55:43 PM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: Flea medications
Hi everyone,
I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people
are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we have to
stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want him to
become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
immune systems?
Thanks for any advice!
Sandy and Vincent
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:23:50 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
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Judy:
Why did the vet want to change the food? Gretle has been having stomach
upsets the last few days and I am wondering if it is the WD.
chester
-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:33:30 EDT
>From: DFRS2@aol.com
>To: lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@esosoft.com
>Subject: Re: Rosie Update
>
>First of all, I would like to thank all of you who responded to my plea
for
>help yesterday. The response was wonderful.
>
>This a.m. I took a urine specimen into the vet for them to run a urine
check
>and at noon my son went by to check with them and sure enough, she had
a
>bladder infection. The vet prescribed some antibiotics for her to take
3X
per
>day for 2 wks. He also wanted to change her food, but stuborn me said
no
to
>that. I felt that was somewhat of an over-reaction on his part.
>
>This was Rosie's first bladder infection since she became ill in March
and
you
>all know how difficult it is at times to regulate their food and meds
>especially with Cushing's and Diabetes. I told him I could understand
a
food
>change if she had experienced even two or three bladder infections,
but not
>just for one. The fact that I had just purchased another case of WD
might
>have swayed my opinion a little.
>
>Anyway, Rosie still appears to feel fine and no messes in the house
today.
>Hopefully the medication will not mess up her regulation of Lysodren
or
>insulin. She has been doing so well in both of these areas.
>
>I will keep you posted on her progress and again thanks to everyone
who was
>able to respond....even if they couldn't help....it was nice to know
there
are
>so many caring people out there. God Bless you all!
>
>Judy and Rosie
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:58:48 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Flea medications
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>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
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> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
> Our Local vet told us if the dog is on Lysodren that there is no
real
> reason to worry about fleas. A flea that could live on a dog on
> Lysodren would be a *very hearty* flea and would not be put off
by any
> other flea preventitive on the market. It made sense to us, since
> Lysodren is basically a *chemo* drug anyway. Why add more toxins
to
> an already toxic drug. However, the vet at Auburn told us that
> Advantage is a good flea preventitive to use and Frontline could
be
> used for flea and tick preventitive. However, they cautioned about
> using it every month (an every other month would be better for
a
> Cushing's pup). They did say that unless we lived near a wooded
area
> there was no need for Frontline.
>
> We have not used any flea preventitive on Sunny except the occasional
> spray when she has been around other animals. That is to keep
them
> from infesting Saphir, Sunny's Cat-Sister.
>
> We are going to begin using Advantage on Saphir as she is an indoor
kitty
> never goes outside.
>
> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>______________________________ Reply Separator
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>Subject: Re: Flea medications
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>Date: 7/14/98 9:07 AM
>
>
>
>Kelso is extremely allergic to fleas and I am using Frontline once a
month
>with him without any problems. It controls both fleas and ticks and
won't
>wash off if they get wet.
>
>Doreen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com> on 07/13/98 07:55:43 PM
>
>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>Subject: Flea medications
>
>
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people
>are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
>anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we have
to
>stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want him
to
>become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
>immune systems?
>Thanks for any advice!
>Sandy and Vincent
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:02:33 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: easing symptoms
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> HELLO -- THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
> You only have to go out once a night. We have been taking Sunny
out
>every night for the past *can't remember how long its been* year maybe
at
least
>twice a night. We go to bed about 10:30 (took her out at about 9:45),
she
gets
>up to go out at between 11:30 and 1:00, then again at between 2:00 and
3:30. I
>normally get up at 5:30 for work, so I take her out between 6:00 and
6:20ish.
>Our Sunny drinks a total of 26-39 ounces of water a day everyday and
has been
>doing so for close to 4 months now. She used to drink between 18-28
ounces
>everyday, so the night time wants-to-go-out has recently gotten worse.
We
have
>accidents in the house at least twice while we are at work, however,
we don't
>mind them. We realize she can't help it. We have nearly worn out some
carpets
>from washing them. However, as I said before we have recently started
covering
>human incontency pads with newspaper to *fool* Sunny into peeing on
the
pads so
>the floor doesn't get ruined. We have hardwood floors. However, don't
get me
>wrong I wouldn't care if they did get spotted -- it can be refinished
later.
>
>Sunny is more important now. Quality of life is more important than
worldly
>things. How she lives now is the most important thing in our lives.
She
seems
>to be coping fine. There are days when we worry more, but that's what
parents
>are supposed to do. She goes in this Friday for a ACTH Stim test.
So, we
will
>see how she is doing after this Friday, 17 July, and will tell everyone
on
>Monday.
>
>Sunny sends woofs and licks to all her cousin furbabies out there and
her Mum
>and Dad send hugs to the babies and Pats on the Backs to all the other
Mums
and
>Dads out there.
>
>THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: easing symptoms
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>Date: 7/14/98 7:45 AM
>
>
>While Puffin and I are waiting for Anipryl to take effect, poor Puffin
>is having such a hard time, especially after we go to bed. She sleeps
>all day while I'm at work, drinks about 8 oz. of water all day long
and
>so far has only had one "accident" during the day. During
the evening
>she drinks another 8-10 oz. water, and eats about 1/3 of her dinner.
>Then about 9 pm she finishes dinner, drinks another 4 oz. or so and
we
>go to bed around 10:30. Then it starts. Almost non-stop panting, begging
>for water every 1.5 hours and the past 2 nights, asking to go out at
>about 2am.
>
>I know it takes time for Anipryl to take effect - she's been on it 17
>days now after having been on Lysodren for 2 years - my question is,
is
>there anything else I can do to relieve some of her symptoms? I've been
>thinking about taking up her food at about 7pm because it seems the
>panting and drinking really start up after eating. Anybody else notice
>this?
>
>Meanwhile, I'm trying to stay awake at work. I've been through all this
>before when she first was diagnosed and for 3 years before that when
my
>Basenji had Addison's, but I never had all you guys for suggestions.
So,
>what do you think?
>
>Thanks
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:13:57 -0400
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Flea medications
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Well, I guess that I have seen some pretty hardy fleas. I took Kelso
to a
friend's house last Thanksgiving not knowing that she had fleas in her
house. Kelso had been on lysodren for about 4 months at the time and we
came home with fleas. I treated right away with Frontline to get rid of
them.
Doreen
Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu> on 07/14/98 10:58:48 AM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Subject: Re[2]: Flea medications
>Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:29 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
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> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
> Our Local vet told us if the dog is on Lysodren that there is no
real
> reason to worry about fleas. A flea that could live on a dog on
> Lysodren would be a *very hearty* flea and would not be put off
by
any
> other flea preventitive on the market. It made sense to us, since
> Lysodren is basically a *chemo* drug anyway. Why add more toxins
to
> an already toxic drug. However, the vet at Auburn told us that
> Advantage is a good flea preventitive to use and Frontline could
be
> used for flea and tick preventitive. However, they cautioned about
> using it every month (an every other month would be better for
a
> Cushing's pup). They did say that unless we lived near a wooded
area
> there was no need for Frontline.
>
> We have not used any flea preventitive on Sunny except the occasional
> spray when she has been around other animals. That is to keep
them
> from infesting Saphir, Sunny's Cat-Sister.
>
> We are going to begin using Advantage on Saphir as she is an indoor
kitty
> never goes outside.
>
> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Re: Flea medications
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>Date: 7/14/98 9:07 AM
>
>
>
>Kelso is extremely allergic to fleas and I am using Frontline once a
month
>with him without any problems. It controls both fleas and ticks and
won't
>wash off if they get wet.
>
>Doreen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com> on 07/13/98 07:55:43 PM
>
>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>Subject: Flea medications
>
>
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people
>are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
>anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we have
to
>stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want him
to
>become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
>immune systems?
>Thanks for any advice!
>Sandy and Vincent
>
>
>
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The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:07 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Flea medications
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What I think Randy was trying to say is that when a pup has been on LYSODREN
for a period of time and in great dosage the fleas will not live on the
body, we this weekend found a stray kitten in our back garden and of course
brought it into the house and bathed it, she was six weeks old and FULL
OF
FLEAS, we doctored her and took her to the vets for adoption as we could
not
keep her, NO FLEAS ON SUNNY, she is on a dosage of 500mg x 3 per week
for
several weeks now, the vet also has a Cushings Pup. Jackie, Randy's Wife
and
Sunny's mother.
At 11:13 AM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Well, I guess that I have seen some pretty hardy fleas. I took Kelso
to a
>friend's house last Thanksgiving not knowing that she had fleas in her
>house. Kelso had been on lysodren for about 4 months at the time and
we
>came home with fleas. I treated right away with Frontline to get rid
of
>them.
>
>Doreen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu> on 07/14/98 10:58:48 AM
>
>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>Subject: Re[2]: Flea medications
>
>
>
>
>>Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:29 -0500
>>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
>>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>>Subject: Re[2]: Flea medications
>>
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>> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>>
>> Our Local vet told us if the dog is on Lysodren that there
is no real
>> reason to worry about fleas. A flea that could live on a dog
on
>> Lysodren would be a *very hearty* flea and would not be put
off by
>any
>> other flea preventitive on the market. It made sense to us,
since
>> Lysodren is basically a *chemo* drug anyway. Why add more
toxins to
>> an already toxic drug. However, the vet at Auburn told us
that
>> Advantage is a good flea preventitive to use and Frontline
could be
>> used for flea and tick preventitive. However, they cautioned
about
>> using it every month (an every other month would be better
for a
>> Cushing's pup). They did say that unless we lived near a wooded
area
>> there was no need for Frontline.
>>
>> We have not used any flea preventitive on Sunny except the
occasional
>> spray when she has been around other animals. That is to keep
them
>> from infesting Saphir, Sunny's Cat-Sister.
>>
>> We are going to begin using Advantage on Saphir as she is an
indoor
>kitty
>> never goes outside.
>>
>> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>>______________________________ Reply Separator
>_________________________________
>>Subject: Re: Flea medications
>>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>>Date: 7/14/98 9:07 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Kelso is extremely allergic to fleas and I am using Frontline once
a month
>>with him without any problems. It controls both fleas and ticks
and won't
>>wash off if they get wet.
>>
>>Doreen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com> on 07/13/98 07:55:43
PM
>>
>>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>>
>>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>>Subject: Flea medications
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi everyone,
>>I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what
people
>>are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
>>anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we
have to
>>stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want
him to
>>become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
>>immune systems?
>>Thanks for any advice!
>>Sandy and Vincent
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Jacqueline P. Siniard
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>The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>Materials Science Building Room C206
>Huntsville, Alabama 35899
>ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:16:57 EDT
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Susan: I agree with you that when a dog has to hold urine during the
day it
could contribute to bladder infections. Some times I am able to come home,
like today, but that is not always possible. Also, we have a really nice
backyard, even a dogrun, but in Texas we are on our 10th day in a row over
100
degrees so as you can see, we are over the purverbial barrel here. Oh well,
we can only do what we can do.
The daily puzzle continues. Thanks for your response. It will be interesting
to see what everyone else comes up with on this subject.
Judy and Rosie
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Chester:
They said it was less something.......actually I kind of cut them off.
Rosie
at one time was on R/D to lose weight. This was before she was diagnosed
with
Cushing's. Well the R/D appeared to cause her to leak urine and the vet
said
she had crystal's in her urine so........he put her on W/D to lessen the
crystals. I am becoming a little cynical over all this by now. My guess
is
they just came out with another food and sales are low.....just kidding!
I am just being stubborn and don't want to change Rosie right now. Sorry
I
can't answer your question any better. Next time I talk to the vet I will
check out this subject more thoroughly for you, Ches. As far a W/D goes.
It
has worked great for Rosie and she loves it. The canned that is.....without
the canned I think I would have a hard time getting her to eat the dry.
Surely she is not spoiled or anything like that.....
Later.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:37:43 -0500
From: Miner <marcia@nortexinfo.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Sandy Mannix wrote:
>
> While Puffin and I are waiting for Anipryl to take effect, poor Puffin
> is having such a hard time, especially after we go to bed. She sleeps
> all day while I'm at work, drinks about 8 oz. of water all day long
and
> so far has only had one "accident" during the day. During
the evening
> she drinks another 8-10 oz. water, and eats about 1/3 of her dinner.
> Then about 9 pm she finishes dinner, drinks another 4 oz. or so and
we
> go to bed around 10:30. Then it starts. Almost non-stop panting, begging
> for water every 1.5 hours and the past 2 nights, asking to go out at
> about 2am.
>
> I know it takes time for Anipryl to take effect - she's been on it
17
> days now after having been on Lysodren for 2 years - my question is,
is
> there anything else I can do to relieve some of her symptoms? I've
been
> thinking about taking up her food at about 7pm because it seems the
> panting and drinking really start up after eating. Anybody else notice
> this?
>
> Meanwhile, I'm trying to stay awake at work. I've been through all
this
> before when she first was diagnosed and for 3 years before that when
my
> Basenji had Addison's, but I never had all you guys for suggestions.
So,
> what do you think?
>
> Thanks
> Sandy & Puffin
Hi Sandy, I went and bought Springer a (good) fan (Wal Mart), for her
panting. She loves it. I keep it on med and it cools the whole "DOG"
room. The panting has slowed way down. She is a Brittany Spaniel
Good luck
Marcia and the girls in Valley View, TX
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:59:37 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Puffin's panting
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I've noticed that Puffin's been laying on the linoleum more than ever
before instead of sleeping on the carpet in the living room. At first I
thought it was a bit of a personality change but now I know she's just
trying to keep cool. I do keep the central air at 70 day and night - the
electric co. hates me, but she needs it cool and so do I! I'll try a fan
in the bedroom tonight. Whatever it takes to make her comfortable.
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:34:42 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Puffin's panting
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Hi Sandy and Puffin, Sunny is the same, we keep our house at 75 because
the
kitty kitty does not like it cold, but we do sleep with out fan on in our
bedroom and Sunny starts off with us in the middle of the bed at the top
between us then she moves on the outside down the bed under the fan. We
have ordered one of the beds for her to see if that helps, we hope so, her
little body gets so hot bless her. Love to Puffin. Jackie, Randy, Sunny,
Saphir (Cat Friend) and of course our much missed and beloved Sadie at
Rainbow Bridge.
At 12:59 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I've noticed that Puffin's been laying on the linoleum more than ever
>before instead of sleeping on the carpet in the living room. At first
I
>thought it was a bit of a personality change but now I know she's just
>trying to keep cool. I do keep the central air at 70 day and night -
the
>electric co. hates me, but she needs it cool and so do I! I'll try a
fan
>in the bedroom tonight. Whatever it takes to make her comfortable.
>
>Sandy & Puffin
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:38:26 -0400
From: Joan Shirokey <c.shirokey@csu-e.csuohio.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Intro/We lost the battle
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I'm new to this part where I actually respond, but I've been monitoring
this site since November when my, then 16 year old, Akita/St. Bernard
mix was diagnosed with Cushings.
She was put on Lysodren, but had a severe reaction by the 10th
day. I thought we were going to lose her then. I decided to let
nature take its course (due to her incredible age).
She eventually began to eat again and became
her old self again (reasonable so). She suffered and survived a minor
stroke two weeks ago,
but I decided to have her put down. She was suffering with
arthritis, the weak legs, tumors, skin problems, deafness & cataracts,
..... she had seen better days.
Let me back up and give some history.
She's had minor skin problems for the past seven years.
One vet treated her with antibiotics (LONG-term) and prednisone (sp?)
He finally suggested
I see a colleague of his with an interest in skin ailments. His colleague
recommended the same treatment but did find "Precious" was borderline
high for thyroid. We also began administering injections to boost her
immune system. Finally, the vet suggested we see to a skin specialist.
The specialist took blood and did tests and we found no allergies
(environmental or food). Nothing new was discovered and the
treatment(s) didn't change (although my bank account lessened).
My "main" vet left that practice and I was assigned a new vet
who instantly
mentioned/recognized Cushing's. We did the tests and had a positive
result (11/97).
The intense thirst and desire to "piddle" outside frequently and
the panting
was overlooked by all the other vets. They attributed it to aging.
Anyway, in her prime she was 110 lbs. After the Lysodren, she was
reduced to 75. She lost another 10 lbs. since, even though she really bounced
back after the holidays. The frequency of the urination was reduced.
She was her old self again and was eating
although tumors (benign) were appearing on the outside of her body.
We were coping.
As I reflect on the years that have passed, I know all of her skin problems
would have dissappeared on their own. They always did. It only took
time to heal; the prednisone and anti-biotics didn't bring any relief any
quicker.
Was the arthritis and weakness
in the hind legs and the thirst/urniation problems due to old age as I
heard so often. Probably not. But nothing can be done now? She lived
a good, LONG life (and I miss her dearly--I'm teary-eyed now),
and she was a survivor until the end. I changed vets again in Feb.,
(due to a location change) when the tumors began to appear.
This vet didn't believe she was Cushionoid,
but I wouldn't allow any more tests (nature's call was already overdue).
The latest vet called her an Energizer bunny--how she kept going and
going and going. Even on that final day of the stroke, she woke me
up to let me know something was wrong and had me take her out
(no accidents). By the way, I had been using slings to get her up
and to go up and down the stairs since the Lysodren
(she was never quite the same after that).
She was lying comfortably in the back yard on that day, after that
stroke in the AM. I was sobbing when the stroke was confirmed and went
back into my house to get my car/house keys for that final ride in
the car. I went to my car to unlock it to make things easier.
She heard the keys or saw me walking towards the car and she got up
to follow me (or attempted to--she was paralyzed on her right side
at this point)
and she tried to reach the car and take a ride like we did everyday.
A valiant effort! What a girl she was. I had her half of my life.
If you're wondering what I attribute her long and <mostly> healthy
life to?
Purina Dog Chows and Lake Erie (Cleveland) water (and
table scraps, esp. Mom's chicken and rice soup).
This sight has been very educational for me. I tried many of the things
I've read from all of you along the way. The distilled water (but she
wouldn't touch it), the vitamin K.....
And I was just about to order a
Canine Cooler (or make my own) when the inevitable occurred.
A Thank You to everyone for your advice, info, support and
concern(s).
Joan and her late companion, Precious.
* * * * * * * * * *
What hair color do they put on the driver's licenses of bald men?
- - - - - - - - - - - -
I can please only one person per day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow isn't looking good either.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:48:51 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Intro/We lost the battle
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What a touching email. I am sitting at my desk crying right now!!
Thanks for sharing this with us.
Shari and Herbie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joan Shirokey [SMTP:c.shirokey@csu-e.csuohio.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:38 AM
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Intro/We lost the battle
>
>
> I'm new to this part where I actually respond, but I've been
> monitoring
> this site since November when my, then 16 year old, Akita/St. Bernard
> mix was diagnosed with Cushings.
>
> She was put on Lysodren, but had a severe reaction by the 10th
> day. I thought we were going to lose her then. I decided to let
> nature take its course (due to her incredible age).
> She eventually began to eat again and became
> her old self again (reasonable so). She suffered and survived a minor
>
> stroke two weeks ago,
> but I decided to have her put down. She was suffering with
> arthritis, the weak legs, tumors, skin problems, deafness & cataracts,
> ..... she had seen better days.
>
> Let me back up and give some history.
> She's had minor skin problems for the past seven years.
> One vet treated her with antibiotics (LONG-term) and prednisone (sp?)
>
> He finally suggested
> I see a colleague of his with an interest in skin ailments. His
> colleague
> recommended the same treatment but did find "Precious" was
borderline
>
> high for thyroid. We also began administering injections to boost
her
> immune system. Finally, the vet suggested we see to a skin
> specialist.
> The specialist took blood and did tests and we found no allergies
> (environmental or food). Nothing new was discovered and the
> treatment(s) didn't change (although my bank account lessened).
> My "main" vet left that practice and I was assigned a new
vet who
> instantly
> mentioned/recognized Cushing's. We did the tests and had a positive
> result (11/97).
> The intense thirst and desire to "piddle" outside frequently
and the
> panting
> was overlooked by all the other vets. They attributed it to aging.
>
> Anyway, in her prime she was 110 lbs. After the Lysodren, she was
> reduced to 75. She lost another 10 lbs. since, even though she really
> bounced
> back after the holidays. The frequency of the urination was reduced.
>
> She was her old self again and was eating
> although tumors (benign) were appearing on the outside of her body.
> We were coping.
>
> As I reflect on the years that have passed, I know all of her skin
> problems
> would have dissappeared on their own. They always did. It only took
> time to heal; the prednisone and anti-biotics didn't bring any relief
> any
> quicker.
> Was the arthritis and weakness
> in the hind legs and the thirst/urniation problems due to old age as
I
> heard so often. Probably not. But nothing can be done now? She
> lived
> a good, LONG life (and I miss her dearly--I'm teary-eyed now),
> and she was a survivor until the end. I changed vets again in Feb.,
> (due to a location change) when the tumors began to appear.
> This vet didn't believe she was Cushionoid,
> but I wouldn't allow any more tests (nature's call was already
> overdue).
> The latest vet called her an Energizer bunny--how she kept going and
> going and going. Even on that final day of the stroke, she woke me
> up to let me know something was wrong and had me take her out
> (no accidents). By the way, I had been using slings to get her up
> and to go up and down the stairs since the Lysodren
> (she was never quite the same after that).
> She was lying comfortably in the back yard on that day, after that
> stroke in the AM. I was sobbing when the stroke was confirmed and
> went
> back into my house to get my car/house keys for that final ride in
> the car. I went to my car to unlock it to make things easier.
> She heard the keys or saw me walking towards the car and she got up
> to follow me (or attempted to--she was paralyzed on her right side
> at this point)
> and she tried to reach the car and take a ride like we did everyday.
> A valiant effort! What a girl she was. I had her half of my life.
>
> If you're wondering what I attribute her long and <mostly> healthy
> life to?
> Purina Dog Chows and Lake Erie (Cleveland) water (and
> table scraps, esp. Mom's chicken and rice soup).
>
> This sight has been very educational for me. I tried many of the
> things
> I've read from all of you along the way. The distilled water (but
she
> wouldn't touch it), the vitamin K.....
> And I was just about to order a
> Canine Cooler (or make my own) when the inevitable occurred.
> A Thank You to everyone for your advice, info, support and
> concern(s).
>
> Joan and her late companion, Precious.
> * * * * * * * * * *
>
> What hair color do they put on the driver's licenses of bald men?
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> I can please only one person per day.
> Today is not your day.
> Tomorrow isn't looking good either.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:11:13 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Strengthening the immune system with vitamins
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I just visited this vet and here's some info in his pamphlet that you
might
want to research further:
"The past decade has introduced the concept that nutrition and nutritional
supplements have positive effects on the mammalian immune systems. Some
of
the nutrients that have been credited with this ability are vitamins C,
E and
A, minerals selenium, magnesium and zinc. Research in Ireland has established
the role of Vitamin C in the increased production on T cells, the target
of
most viruses. These nutrients will also enhance antibody production.
Your pet's immune system can be adversely effected by any environmental
exposure that stresses the body. These stresses are abundant and can involve
the food that is consumed. Pharmaceuticals, steroids, antibiotics, chemicals
such as herbicides and preservatives found in commercial pet foods, second-
hand tobacco smoke and pregnancies are all immunosuppressives."
Apparently, this vet's product called Mega C Plus "acts as a natural
immune
enhancer, reducing stress and related nutrient losses."
Also, his research back in the late 1970's highlighted the usage of
intravenous vitamin C to stop life-threatening bleeding pet diseases and
to
combat hip dysplasia, kennel cough, feline leukemia, distemper and feline
lower urinary tract disease.
Of course, he says that you should speak to your own vet about this
information before putting any animal on supplements, since each pet's
requirements and weaknesses are specific to their own body.
Dr. Wendell Belfield
408-227-9334
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:17:45 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan, so sorry to hear about losing Precious. She sounds like another
of the
many hard fighters we've had in this group. Our love to you, I'm sure Ivan
and
many others were waiting to play.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Happy Trails, to you, until we meet again.
-Roy Rogers
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:36:08 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan,
Thanks for sharing Precious's story. It hurts so much to lose
them, even when you know they are happier now at the Bridge,
where they're not in pain anymore.
Everyone on the list shares your grief.
Jackie
A poem for you and Precious:
Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain,
I am the gentle Autumn rain.
When you awake in the mornings hush
I am the swift uplifting rush of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry.
I am not there; I did not die.
--Author unknown.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:43:53 -0700
From: Marge Gagliardi <anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan: Though I don't post, I read all posts from this list. My thoughts
and prayers are with you. I know soon, our precious Jude(diagnosed
5/97), will be playing with Precious at the Rainbow Bridge. We're hoping
to celebrate his 14th birthday on the 29th.
Marge - anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:50:35 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan, thank you for sharing this with us, I hope precious is having a
wonderful time at "Rainbow Bridge" I know she is, my prayers are
with you at
this lonely time in your life, it is never easy to let go. Love to you,
Jackie and Family
At 02:38 PM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I'm new to this part where I actually respond, but I've been monitoring
>this site since November when my, then 16 year old, Akita/St. Bernard
>mix was diagnosed with Cushings.
>
>She was put on Lysodren, but had a severe reaction by the 10th
>day. I thought we were going to lose her then. I decided to let
>nature take its course (due to her incredible age).
>She eventually began to eat again and became
>her old self again (reasonable so). She suffered and survived a minor
>stroke two weeks ago,
>but I decided to have her put down. She was suffering with
>arthritis, the weak legs, tumors, skin problems, deafness & cataracts,
>..... she had seen better days.
>
>Let me back up and give some history.
>She's had minor skin problems for the past seven years.
>One vet treated her with antibiotics (LONG-term) and prednisone (sp?)
>He finally suggested
>I see a colleague of his with an interest in skin ailments. His colleague
>recommended the same treatment but did find "Precious" was
borderline
>high for thyroid. We also began administering injections to boost her
>immune system. Finally, the vet suggested we see to a skin specialist.
>The specialist took blood and did tests and we found no allergies
>(environmental or food). Nothing new was discovered and the
>treatment(s) didn't change (although my bank account lessened).
>My "main" vet left that practice and I was assigned a new
vet who instantly
>mentioned/recognized Cushing's. We did the tests and had a positive
>result (11/97).
>The intense thirst and desire to "piddle" outside frequently
and the panting
>was overlooked by all the other vets. They attributed it to aging.
>
>Anyway, in her prime she was 110 lbs. After the Lysodren, she was
>reduced to 75. She lost another 10 lbs. since, even though she really
bounced
>back after the holidays. The frequency of the urination was reduced.
>She was her old self again and was eating
>although tumors (benign) were appearing on the outside of her body.
>We were coping.
>
>As I reflect on the years that have passed, I know all of her skin problems
>would have dissappeared on their own. They always did. It only took
>time to heal; the prednisone and anti-biotics didn't bring any relief
any
>quicker.
>Was the arthritis and weakness
>in the hind legs and the thirst/urniation problems due to old age as
I
>heard so often. Probably not. But nothing can be done now? She lived
>a good, LONG life (and I miss her dearly--I'm teary-eyed now),
>and she was a survivor until the end. I changed vets again in Feb.,
>(due to a location change) when the tumors began to appear.
>This vet didn't believe she was Cushionoid,
>but I wouldn't allow any more tests (nature's call was already overdue).
>The latest vet called her an Energizer bunny--how she kept going and
>going and going. Even on that final day of the stroke, she woke me
>up to let me know something was wrong and had me take her out
>(no accidents). By the way, I had been using slings to get her up
>and to go up and down the stairs since the Lysodren
>(she was never quite the same after that).
>She was lying comfortably in the back yard on that day, after that
>stroke in the AM. I was sobbing when the stroke was confirmed and went
>back into my house to get my car/house keys for that final ride in
>the car. I went to my car to unlock it to make things easier.
>She heard the keys or saw me walking towards the car and she got up
>to follow me (or attempted to--she was paralyzed on her right side
>at this point)
>and she tried to reach the car and take a ride like we did everyday.
>A valiant effort! What a girl she was. I had her half of my life.
>
>If you're wondering what I attribute her long and <mostly> healthy
life to?
>Purina Dog Chows and Lake Erie (Cleveland) water (and
>table scraps, esp. Mom's chicken and rice soup).
>
>This sight has been very educational for me. I tried many of the things
>I've read from all of you along the way. The distilled water (but she
>wouldn't touch it), the vitamin K.....
>And I was just about to order a
>Canine Cooler (or make my own) when the inevitable occurred.
>A Thank You to everyone for your advice, info, support and
>concern(s).
>
>Joan and her late companion, Precious.
>* * * * * * * * * *
>
>What hair color do they put on the driver's licenses of bald men?
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>I can please only one person per day.
>Today is not your day.
>Tomorrow isn't looking good either.
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:11:21 +0100
From: "Jill Smith" <jill@n-w.co.uk>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: introduction Merri
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Hi All,
Jill and Rigsby in Norfolk, U.K. here.
I was reading the mails about deafness in Cushing's dogs and thought you
might be interested to know that our three dogs who have had Cushings all
became deaf very quickly. We put it down to age at first, then became
suspicious when one 7 y.o. went totally deaf within 3 months and Rigsby,
our
current fighter, within 2 months - and he had not been diagnosed at that
time. Since then we have been told that it is fairly common with Cushing's,
and NOT a side-effect of the various drugs. In fact, some research has shown
an improvement in hearing once the drugs kick in. I'd be interested to know
what others think.
Keep up the good work.
Rigsby.
-----Original Message-----
From: meri <meric@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: 13 July 1998 16:58
Subject: Re: introduction Merri
>chester
>hmmm i am not sure if deafness is a side effect of lysodren...does
>anyone know, i figured it was old age. as far as success in getting
her
>regulated, i dont think i am doing anything different from all of u.
>this is what i do
>1. stayed with a vet i have faith in and shows concern and empathy
for
>the tisza's situation (and also had success in treatment) and listen
to
>everything they have to say, conference with them and stick to the plan
>2. use a high quality food, which can be tricky when they are fussy
>eaters
>3. extreme limitations on treats, usually limited to when i give her
>the insulin injections
>4. fairly stable routine & exercise (when i got divorced and first
>moved out she had diabetic seizures every month for half a year - she
>was stressed too)
>5. lots and lots and lots of love
>
>she is my sweetie i would do anything for her. i almost lost her right
>after her daughter died. she had a tooth infection which caused
>everything to go kablooey, she had to go on iv's etc. but she recovered
>well and is happy and healthy again.
>
>meri
>
>
>chester b. smith wrote:
>>
>> I noticed that deafness is a side effect of Anipryl, is that also
a side
>> effect of what you were using? It is good to hear of Tisza doing
so well
>> for so long and the success of getting regulated. It seems that
you
should
>> be telling us all how you did it.
>> chester
>
>> >
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:49:12 -0500
From: Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Back Home
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Returned from a conference with 750 foreign exchange high schoolers on
Sunday. What a lot of energy! Rudy (8yr old Skip) seems to have new
energy too. He is almost finished with two weeks worth of antibiotics and
all of the visible manifestations of infection seem mostly healed. He ran
around like crazy when we returned and jumped up on the sofa numerous
times. Good to seem him more like his old self.
Jody
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: deafness was: introduction Merri
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I haven't read anything in the literature connecting Cushing's and
deafness, but we've certainly seen the connection here on the Cushing's
list. Our Missy was going deaf well before her diagnosis. I don't
believe that her Lysodren treatment sped or retarded her hearing loss, but
then again, she wasn't on Lysodren long enough for us to really tell for
sure.
This is a great topic of conversation. Perhaps some of the veterinarians
on the list will speak up with some professional insights.
-Leslie
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:58:29 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan
My heart goes out to you. I too am sitting here with tears streaming
down my face while reading your story. My advice to you is to only
remember the good times, and in 16 years I know there are many. Our
prayers are with you.
Sandy and Puffin
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:07:57 EDT
From: DesignSue@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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I am so touched (in tears) and so sorry to hear about your loss. Thank
you for
writing in to share it with us all.
Susan G. and Spenser (the poodle)
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:23:00 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: deafness was: introduction Merri
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Hi All,
My dog as well has been hard of hearing for several years and he was only
diagnosed with Cushings in March or April. He never had meds until 7 weeks
ago. We just attributed it to his getting older as he will be 13 in August.
Joan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:46:59 -0700
From: Elizabeth Rubin <ehr@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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At 05:07 PM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I am so touched (in tears) and so sorry to hear about your loss. Thank
you
for
>writing in to share it with us all.
>
>Susan G. and Spenser (the poodle)
>
Yes Joan
I am so so sorry. I just pray that I won't have make the decision when
it
will be right time to take that last trip to
the Vet To have Precious for half of your life this is a tremendous loss
But
I was also thinking of how wonderful it
is to have a companion like that for so much of your adult life.
Thank you for sharing it with us
Elizabeth R and Gabby
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:51:54 -0400
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: "cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: it is getting hot!
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Hi everyone!
The heat that you all have been talking about has finally reached us
here in Maine! My Welsh Terrier Colby who has Cushing's asked me to
send this to all her buddies on the Cushing's list so that they can keep
cool. We hope this works and you all can see it!
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Whoa!!! That sure feels great!
Jane, Colby the WT and her little brother Duffy the WT
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:27:42 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Deafness and Cushings
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Hi All,
Boy, the light bulb just clicked on when I read this. I too had been
reading about those who were wondering if their dog may have gone deaf
due to the medication. Well, I guess it was last December when I
noticed that Boomer was almost completely deaf. We attributed it to old
age We also thought at that time that he had hypothyroidism. In April
this year he was diagnosed with Cushings although I now feel he probably
had it for a year before diagnosis. The thought never crossed my mind
that his deafness may be attributed to the Cushings because I have not
heard or read that this is a symptom. But now I am wondering....I
haven't really noticed if BOomer's hearing is improving, but it has only
been 2.5 months since we began treatment. If anyone knows of any
articles that discuss this, I'd be interested in knowing about them too.
-- Liza and Boomer
P.S. Boomer's hair is finally just starting to grow again!! It's just
peach fuzz, but it's hair! YES!!! There is hope after all!
Jill Smith wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> Jill and Rigsby in Norfolk, U.K. here.
> I was reading the mails about deafness in Cushing's dogs and thought
you
> might be interested to know that our three dogs who have had Cushings
all
> became deaf very quickly. We put it down to age at first, then became
> suspicious when one 7 y.o. went totally deaf within 3 months and Rigsby,
our
> current fighter, within 2 months - and he had not been diagnosed at
that
> time. Since then we have been told that it is fairly common with Cushing's,
> and NOT a side-effect of the various drugs. In fact, some research
has shown
> an improvement in hearing once the drugs kick in. I'd be interested
to know
> what others think.
> Keep up the good work.
> Rigsby.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:23:36 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Generic Drugs
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Shari Peterson wrote:
> Herbie's vet also shared some interesting news about generic drugs.
He
> said the latest research shows that generic drugs are not well-tolerated
> by dogs. He wanted me to ask if anyone on this list has used generic
> drugs before, and if so, how did your pet tolerate it?
>
> Thanks for your feedback!
> --Shari and Herbie Peterson
Pinetta has been on Anipryl since end of May....when I first found
out
about diagnosis, I subscribed to this group and learned of Anipryl at a
lower price. I mentioned this to my vet and she explained that Anipryl
was
bought not long ago from Pfizer (who also make the glamour drug, Viagra
and
other exotic meds). She mentioned that we may look for a source and she
may even know of one that was less expensive; but for the first 2/3 months
she wanted to stay with the real thing. I've not ventured into this area
with her again. So, we haven't gone this route yet.
susan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:49:00 -0500
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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JCirino@aol.com wrote:
> Chester,
> My dog is also on anipryl. What type of food/diet is your dog on besides
the
> carrots that is. How long have you been using the anipryl? This is
all new to
> me and curious about feeding a better diet. So far, I only know that
my dog
> has Cushings.
> Joan
Joan;
Pinetta is on 1/4 can RD and 1/3 cup Pro-Plan Lite...twice a day....plus
now about 1/4 cup a carrots at each feeding. A few Science Diet Lite treats
(4/5). She has been on Anipryl now about 45 days. Fixing to check in
with
the vet on symptoms........last night after our walk (of course, it was
a humid
95 degrees at 9 pm)......she must have panted for 30 minutes before settling
down
and sleeping. Her weight gain has been stable, but we still aren't losing
any
and she still acts starving. Just started the carrots on Saturday......what
a
hit, she picks those out first.
susan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:57:53 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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Joan: I just wanted to respond to your note about Precious. What a
lucky dog
to have such a loyal and caring owner. I know you did all you could and
you
will be an even better person for persevering. I wish you the best.
Hugs!
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:01:42 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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Jackie: Thanks for sending such a lovely poem to Joan for Precious'
passing
on to the Bridge. What a terrific way to think about death.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:52 -0500
Subject: 3 WISHES
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This is a good one!
> > An old lady is rocking away the last of her days on her front
porch,
> > reflecting on her long life, when -- all of a sudden -- a fairy
> > godmother appears in front of her and informs her that she will
> > begranted three wishes.
> >
> > "Well, now," says the old lady, "I guess I would
like to be really
> > rich."
> >
> > *** POOF *** Her rocking chair turns to solid gold, and she is
> > surrounded by buckets of money.
> >
> > "And, gee, I guess I wouldn't mind being a young, beautiful
princess."
> >
> > *** POOF *** She turns into a beautiful young princess.
> >
> > "Your third wish?" asked the fairy godmother. Just
then the old
> > woman's cat wanders across the porch in front of them.
> >
> > "Ooh -- my cat is my best friend. I really love him. Can
you change
> > him into a handsome prince?" she asks.
> >
> > *** POOF *** There before her stands a young man more handsome
than
> > anyone could possibly imagine.
> >
> > She stares at him, smitten. With a smile that makes her knees
weak,
> > he saunters across the porch and whispers in her ear: "Bet
you're
> > sorry you had me neutered."
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:17:11 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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I actually haven't heard anyone mention a generic Anipryl. The low-cost
Anipryl that everyone is talking about on this list (from Lambriar) IS
the Anipryl made by Pfizer. Just because a source sells you Anipryl at
a low cost, does not mean that it isn't the "real thing." I can't
imagine that your vet would assume this. Maybe she was just trying to
warn you to be careful about improperly compounded Anipryl. If you
haven't read my post a couple days ago about things to look out for when
buying Anipryl, maybe it would be useful for you to take a look at it.
You can definitely find the "real" Anipryl at a lower cost than
what
your vet is charging you!!
--Shari and Herbie Peterson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan West [SMTP:swok34@swbell.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 7:24 PM
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Generic Drugs
>
>
>
> Shari Peterson wrote:
>
> > Herbie's vet also shared some interesting news about generic drugs.
> He
> > said the latest research shows that generic drugs are not
> well-tolerated
> > by dogs. He wanted me to ask if anyone on this list has used
> generic
> > drugs before, and if so, how did your pet tolerate it?
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback!
> > --Shari and Herbie Peterson
>
> Pinetta has been on Anipryl since end of May....when I first found
> out
> about diagnosis, I subscribed to this group and learned of Anipryl
at
> a
> lower price. I mentioned this to my vet and she explained that
> Anipryl was
> bought not long ago from Pfizer (who also make the glamour drug,
> Viagra and
> other exotic meds). She mentioned that we may look for a source and
> she
> may even know of one that was less expensive; but for the first 2/3
> months
> she wanted to stay with the real thing. I've not ventured into this
> area
> with her again. So, we haven't gone this route yet.
>
> susan
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:10:55 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
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Chester,
Thanks for the info on what you are feeding your dog. The carrots are an
interesting addition. What is the reason for the carrots or is there one?
Joan
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:11:36 -0700
From: Caroline Levin <cdlevin@teleport.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Generic Drugs
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Hi all-
My name is Caroline. I don't own a Cushings dog...just here to learn.
I made friends with Leslie while I was writing a book and needed some
info on Cushings and SARDS... (you were most helpful, Leslie!). I
wanted to learn even more about Cushings, so here I am, at you disposal.
Just a quick comment on generic drugs... when I was a hospital nurse,
a
doc explained to me that even though a generic drug could have all the
same ingredients as the name brand, the name brand had a patent on the
formula...which things were added in what order. Apparently this makes
a difference as to which chemicals are readily absorbed by the body. So
maybe they're not the "same"
Caroline-- "Living With Blind Dogs" the book
http://www.teleport.com/~dlevin
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:46:29 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
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Thanks to many of your suggestions, Puffin (and me) had a relatively
good night last night. I fed her before 7pm but let her have all the
water she wanted. And I put a fan at her end of the bed and she didn't
pant all night. Woke up a couple of times for water, but didn't need
much and didn't need to go out. So, maybe we're on to something here. I
feel so bad when she's miserable so was happy to help her even a little
bit. So we thank all of you with copious hugs and licks.
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:45:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:34:54 -0500
From: doug <dlambert@linux.parod.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anipryl
To all those interested in a response to this concern.........
We at Lambriar Animal Health Care buy our products ONLY from the
manufacturer. Our Anipryl comes DIRECT from Pfizer, the same place your
veterinarian gets their Anipryl from is the same place our veterinarians
get
Anipryl (or any of the other products we carry) from.
We do not buy from outside sources (Mexico or overseas). We are a very
legitimate company with a proud reputation. We are not here to replace your
veterinarian as they are the ones that actually have diagnosed your pet
and
see them on a regular basis. The service we provide is intended only to
help
save you money on products as we could never replace the diagnosis service
that your local veterinarian provides you.
I do respect the concern you have of buying high quality "original"
products
that are safe. I share the same concerns as you do when it comes time for
our purchase of products. In the end when our lives are over, the only thing
a person can take with them is their reputation, the single most important
concern I have as the owner of Lambriar Animal Health Care is our company's
reputation and how we are viewed by you as our customer.
Thank all of you that have spoken kindly of us on the Cushings discussion
list. We value your business and your concerns immensely.
Douglas Lambert
Lambriar Animal Health Care
800-344-6337
Lambriar@aol.com
http://www.Lambriarvet.com
Shari Peterson wrote:
> I met with Herbie's vet on Friday to pick up his first round of
Anipryl
> and to discuss the drug. I showed him a printout of an email from
Susan
> Gendon, where she gives price information from Lambriar. This actually
> lead to a very informative conversation about deep-discount drugs.
>
> My vet was very supportive of my efforts to find Anipryl at a lower
> cost. In fact, he encouraged me! He said vets aren't in the business
> of supplying drugs, so if you buy meds from a vet, you're no doubt
going
> to pay more. He encouraged me to call various pharmacies for price
> quotes and to check out Lambriar.
>
> He had a some words of caution he wanted me to pass on to all of you.
> He said he recently attended an Internist convention and the topic
of
> deep-discount drug companies came up. There have been problems with
> these companies compounding their drugs incorrectly. He said depending
> on the drug, this can be dangerous and even life threatening. Another
> problem is that some of these places buy their drugs from outside the
> U.S. (they've especially had problems with drugs from Mexico). And
> again, often these drugs are compounded incorrectly.
>
> He said no matter where we buy the drugs, we need to make absolutely
> sure that the drugs come in the original (manufacturer's) product
> packaging!! He said if it comes in bottles similar to the way we get
> some of our human medications, be very wary!!! This indicates that
the
> drug has been compounded. He said there is really no way to determine
> if the drug's been compounded correctly, unless you take it to a lab
to
> be tested. Also, be wary of packaging that looks "official"
but is not
> from the manufacturer!
>
> Drugs you buy from vets should be safe. They buy their drugs from
> reliable sources that DO compound correctly. He also said just because
> there have been problems with several deep-discount companies, this
does
> not mean that every one of them is trying to rip us off. He just wants
> us to be aware that this is an issue.
>
> Anyway, now I need to know about Lambriar Animal Health Care. For
those
> of you who've bought Anipryl from them, does is come in packages from
> the manufacturer (i.e., little white star-shaped pills that you punch
> out of foil & plastic packages, and these packages are contained
in
> boxes)? Please let me know... I'd really like to order from them if
> possible!
>
> --Shari and Herbie Peterson
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:14:51 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: relief
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Hooray Sandy--so glad you and Puffin had a decent night. Let's hope for
two in
a row!!!
Joan
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:19:14 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: relief
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It was wonderful to hear that you and Puffin had a good night, hope there
are many more to come. Love Jackie and Family
At 12:46 PM 7/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Thanks to many of your suggestions, Puffin (and me) had a relatively
>good night last night. I fed her before 7pm but let her have all the
>water she wanted. And I put a fan at her end of the bed and she didn't
>pant all night. Woke up a couple of times for water, but didn't need
>much and didn't need to go out. So, maybe we're on to something here.
I
>feel so bad when she's miserable so was happy to help her even a little
>bit. So we thank all of you with copious hugs and licks.
>
>Sandy & Puffin
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:00:32 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan,
Speaking as veterans of the long struggle, we were so sorry to
hear about
your loss of Precious. Thanks for sharing your story with us. Know for
sure
that Precious is running and playing at Rainbow Bridge with the best of
friends.
God bless you.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:25:15 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Flea control
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I picked up this brochure from my vet 2 days ago for a service called
"Fleabusters". It's apparently a non-toxic material that's applied
to your
carpets and hardwood floors. It kills the eggs and larvae for up to a year,
provided that you don't get the carpets shampooed before then. The price
is
based on the number of rooms. I asked for a price for my 7 rooms and hall
and
they said that it would cost about $270. Their phone number is
1-800-759-3532.
I'm also purchasing what's called nematodes - microscopic worms that
are
placed in your lawns that apparently eat the fleas. You can get them from
nurseries.
Laura
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:26:22 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: More flea control info
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Subject: Re: Does anyone use Nemotodes for fleas?
From: Barbara Arendt {x68306 CF/ENG} <barendt@cray.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 15, 1998 1:48 PM
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Hi Cody,
Try Farnam in AZ 1-800-267-5211
or Better Pest Management in CA 1-888-589-6531
I believe they both carry nemotodes.
Hope this helps
--
Barb IF YOU FAIL, it's because you took a chance;
IF YOU SUCCEED, it's because you grasped an opportunity.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:39:56 -0600
From: meri <meric@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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joan
i am very sorry to hear about precious. they take such a place in our
hearts, it is so painful to lose them. not sure what to say, but that i
am so sorry to hear of your loss.
a friend of mine bought me a book called dog heaven. a childrens book
about the loss of a loved pet. i cry everytime i read it and worry
about the day i lose my tisza (cushinoid and diabetic)
i recently lost my little coco (diabetes - renal failure).
unfortunately my ex wouldnt ever let me see her, but my daughter always
kept me posted on how she was doing. the day she died i was at work (so
was my daughter and her fiancee) we were all so crushed we had to leave
our relative places of work. i drove to the vet to see her before she
was buried.
good luck too you
sorry for ur loss
meri
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:28:43 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
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In a message dated 7/15/1998 6:28:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Glimpact@aol.com writes:
<< I picked up this brochure from my vet 2 days ago for a service
called
"Fleabusters". It's apparently a non-toxic material that's applied
to your
carpets and hardwood floors. >>
Laura,
Of course, I don't know exactly what this is, but I've been told many
of these companies use what amounts to Borax on the carpets, and
you can do that yourself for a lot less money.
Also, -- and again, I don't know about this particular product, but you
need to ask what happens if you shampoo your carpet. I know with
four dogs, there's no way I can go a year without shampooing, and
the company I called with a similar product said that the guarantee
is void if you shampoo.
Just a caution ...
Jackie
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:27:17 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Addison's
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I know Addison's has come up on the list, but since Jessie
doesn't have that problem, I haven't paid much attention.
Now a friend has asked where to find information about
Addison's because a friend of her's has a Springer Spaniel
that was just diagnosed.
Is there an Addison's list? Can you direct me to any web sites?
Thanks in advance,
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:15:59 -0700
From: "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: DIET
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MacTavish (12 yr old Scottie) has been on the Hills reduction diet for
7
years now. We had him neutered when he was 5 and his weight ballooned!
He went up to 27 pounds, very fat for a Scottie. On walks, strangers
would actually say things like.."He doesn't miss to many meals does
he?"
or " Look how cute he waddles". We have taken him for a walk every
day
of his life so he wasn't a couch potatoe. Since we have two dogs we paid
much closer attention to who eats whose food and got that nipped in the
bud. AT one point the Vet suggested sprinkling bran on his food to add
fiber and bulk to fill him up. We did that for a while, maybe every
other day for about 6 months then stopped when he had lost a few pounds.
Mac and Isis get fed twice a day. Morning is Hills R/D for both, about
1/2 cup dry with a decoration of the wet R/D food. At night after the
walk, 1/4 to 1/2 cup of R/D. On this regimen, Mac is now a slim 20
pounds and has been slim for the past 5 years or so, but it took a lot
of time for the weight to come off. We also feed them carrots as treats,
and R/D treats as well. We have treat games we play you might try.
1) Put treats under tupperware on the floor and watch them try to solve
how to get it out. I put the treat on the floor, put the tupperware over
it and away they go trying to get it off! One night I had about a dozen
tupperwares down, some with and some without and Mac had a blast playing
soccer! Mac uses his paw to bat it away, Isis uses her paw to tilt it.
2) Put the treat in a paper grocery bag, roll the bag shut,top to
bottom, then twist it like it like you were wringing out a towel and let
your dog rip it to shreds to get inside it. Interesting again to watch
the different problem solving. Isis the Shiba will unfold the bag and go
in from the top. Mac rips it to shreds! They love grocery day.
3) "Where is it" is my favorite. They are told to "wait"
in the
kitchen. I go into the living room and hide treats (mostly in plain
site) on the floor, in shoes, on top of cushions and fireplace bricks.
Then I tell them "OK" and they come racing into the room for the
"easter
egg" type hunt for treats.
Mac is doing well, Lysodren once a week. His bald spot is almost gone,
his coat is black again and not ash. His personality is back again too.
I have noticed that he feels alot hotter to the touch, but Bill doesn't
notice it yet. A cooler bed is in Mac's future. San Diego only has
scorching heat for about two months of every year. For as long as we
have had Mac, he has always preferred the linoleum to the carpet.
TTFN Rosemary
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:18:14 -0400
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: "cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: [Fwd: Addison's Disease]
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This is a copy of a prior posting on Addison's Disease. I kept it on
file because the vet thought there was a chance that Colby was becoming
Addisonian. Luckily, that hasn't happened.
Hope this helps.
Jane
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Liza:
I did a quick search in AOL and found several things to check into:
http://www.homevet.com/wwwboard/messages/2339.html
http://www.studyweb.com/med/addisions/htm
http://www.healinglight.com/addisons/links.htm
http://www.healinglight.com/addisonsfebruary98/_disc1/000000
http://www.taosnet.com/beardiehealth/Addison's% Summary: In 1988 a
paper was
published in the Journal of Amer. Vet. Medical Assn. in which a heritable
tendency to hypoadrenocorticism was reported in a family of Standard
Poodles.........
http://www.vetinfo.com/daddison/html
Hope these help!
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:25:05 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: "CUSHINGS" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: She's here!
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We have our new addition, Xena, a black & silver miniature schnauzer,
just
10 weeks old. She has brought laughter and joy back into our lives. I
had
forgotten how much "work" a little puppy can be with numerous
trips to the
backyard and constant supervision! Our 4-year old male ms, Riker, has
been real good with her, but annoyed I am sure at being corraled in the
kitchen with the newcomer. He escapes into his crate and she follows him
right in. LOL.
My thoughts and prayers are still with those of you struggling with your
Cushing's dogs and my sincere sympathy for those who have recently lost
the
battle. It's been a few months since Ginger went to the rainbow bridge
and
we still miss her terribly.
Thanks again to all of you who supported me and my family during our
struggle with Cushings. Just wanted to share and add a few smiles to the
list.
Sue, Xena and Riker
"There is no psyciatrist in the world like a puppy licking your
face. Bern
Williams"
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:43:04 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Flea control
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I posted about a product for the inside. It's called PT Ultracide.
It's a
once a year spray, that kills adult fleas on contact and prevents pupae
from
maturing, thus cutting off the growth cycle. The insecticide portion has
a
very low residual factor (days), while the IGR lasts for up to a year.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Happy Trails, to you, until we meet again.
-Roy Rogers
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:14:50 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Well, a hearty welcome to the attractive Xena (you may well regret the name :-)
Yes, Toby has also been a few hands full. I think, that in only three
years,
we had forgotten what it was like to have a puppy in the house. Of course,
Bonnie has learned how to be a puppy, again.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Happy Trails, to you, until we meet again.
-Roy Rogers
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:29:43 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
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Hope your "warrior princess" brings you much joy!
Anne and Targa
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:31:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: CUSHINGS <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: She's here!
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Sue-
What a happy time for you!! Xena and Riker sound like they're a riot
together.
Coincidentally, my parents have a black and silver mini schnauzer who
my
niece renamed from Dawg (my very creative parents' idea) to Xena. Hope
your Xena is as sweet and loving as theirs.
Do give both your pups a good cuddling for me. You're so blessed to
be
able to love and be loved so much in one lifetime!
-Leslie
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:27:40 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
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Sandy,
Before we got the air conditioner and the ceiling fan for Clea's
bedroom,
and even now when we have a power failure, we put Clea in the bathtub (on
a
rubber bath mat so she won't slip) and spritz her down with enough water
to
keep her damp and cool during the hot weather. She loves to roll and dry
her
self in a towel, but she stays damp enough for a few hours to keep comfortable.
(Timothy and Little Rosti don't seem to suffer as much from the heat as
Clea,
but we spritz them down, too, because they like it.)
Also, we place cool wet bath towels in favorite sleeping areas.
Clea
("Cleopatra") likes to have a cool wet wash cloth draped across
her shoulders
and down her back while she's sleeping. When she wakes up and walks around
with it on her back, she looks like royalty.
We received her "Canine Cooler" bed on Monday, but so
far she doesn't seem
to like it (first on the forum we guess). Last night, though, she did use
one
corner (about 3" square) as a pillow. Maybe she'll take to it after
awhile.
(She won't let Timothy and Little Rosti touch it, so we'll probably order
another one just for them.)
>I've been thinking about taking up her food at about 7pm because
it seems the
>panting and drinking really start up after eating. Anybody else notice
this?
Yes, we noticed this, too, with our dogs. but, since we've totally
eliminated beef and animal organs (chicken livers and gizzards) from their
diet, our dogs don't pant any more, except when they're hot. (Clea does
pant
occasionally for no apparent reason for 2-3 days every three weeks or so,
and
then her panting stops as abruptly as it started. Even so, it's not the
"tongue touching the floor panting" like it used to be.) We haven't
heard
anyone else talk about eliminating beef from the diet, so it might just
be a
quirk with our dogs. The effect of this change in their diet was dramatic
within one week: the constant panting of 3 cushinoid dogs throughout the
house
just suddenly stopped. We only use a "tiny bit" of beef now to
give them
pills--pita pocket style.
Hugs & licks to Puffin from our little "wrecking crew,"
and hope she is
feeling better soon.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:33:55 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: "CUSHINGS WEB PAGE" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Cc: "BRANN, Ada" <adandawg@as.net>
Subject: Progress of Terrible Ted
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Hi, everyone,
We've been away for ten days and came back to a
swag
of messages. To those who have lost loved ones, our deepest sympathy. To
those who have the coourage to take on a new puppy, we know how much we
get
from our hairy friends with no expectation of return.
Ted has progressed exceedingly well since his
treatment five months ago. He is far more active than we have seen him for
a
long time and has extended his daily walks of his own volition. He is also
more playful and even breaks into a run when he spots a squirell in the
park. His coat has thickened and the pigmentation is getting darker by
degrees, with small areas of coal black fur developing.
His appetite is good, but he has given up the
constant, frenetic search for food. We feed him a mixture of solid meat,
Medi-Cal (obtained from the vet), sprinkled with Missing Link and combined
with a half handful of hard food. We also give him he 500 mg of glucosamine
sulfate in this mix. To this we add a tablespoon of hot water and wind it
up
to form a thick gravy. It must stimulate his olfactory glands as he races
across the kitchen when I put the dish down and is into the mixture like
a
robber's dog.
He gets apple and carrots as treats and crunches
away at the carrot, enjoying the cracking sound, I think. When he gets a
slice of apple he lifts his chin and chomps gently on the apple letting
the
juice slide down his throat. He drinks lots of water, but not to excess,
and usually before he goes out on a walk to allow him sufficient ammunition
for his territory marking. As we live opposite a park he has a lot of
signatures to leave lying around.
His breathing is much better and, although he still
snores, there is no gasping and gagging as previously. He is uncomfortable
in the heat and we have a Canine Cooler on order. During the recent hot
spell we have put the fan down on the carpet and left it on low. He can
be
found in the morning about two feet away from it, lying on his back with
his
legs up in the air, so he must enjoy it.
His daily maintenance dose of prednisone and florinef
are given in a slice of cheese, pared thin like filo pastry, and he gets
a
Drenamen pill with it.
Although the decision to turn Ted into an Addisonion
had an element of risk, his progress since has borne out the efficacy of
this method of treating Cushings and given the same circumstances we would
do it again. What impresses us is the way that the clock has been turned
back for Ted with him behaving like a pup.
As an aside, I am reading a wonderful book by
Jeffrey Mousaieff MASSON, "Dogs never lie about Love". It is reflections
on
the emotional world of dogs and written by a psychologist who is also a
dog
lover, and loved by his dogs. For people like us ( and I speak collectively
of all those who subscribe to the page) who are devoted to our four-legged
friends it is a deep and touching work which explains to a degree why we
are
able to be so close to Gods gift - our dogs. It is published by Crown in
paperback and was given to me as a Fathers Day gift by my younger daughter
who lives in Chimayo, NM, with her husband, a black lab and two
wolfhound/cross. Thank goodness they have an acreage !!
Best wishes to all and fight the good fight.
Dace & Eileen ROBERTS
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:53:35 +0100
From: "Jill Smith" <jill@n-w.co.uk>
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Subject: Humans and Cushings.
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Hi. Jill and Rigsby here.
Does anyone know how people are affected by Cushing's Syndrome, or what
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:11:00 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
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Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
Thanks for sharing the cooling off and change of diet. I've placed fans
everywhere at Puffin-level (very close to the floor) and she really is
enjoying that. I also switched her diet off of beef to turkey per our
vet. So now I make turkey burgers w/ground turkey, oatmeal, whole wheat
bread and roasted garlic. She loves it! And I can't tell you how happy I
am about it since she's so picky. Dog food is out of the question
anymore and she was getting way too much protein with just ground chuck.
And she's already getting used to less food late at night and that's
really helped the panting too. She's been much more comfortable the last
2 nights. And maybe the Anipryl is starting to work. We're on day 20 now
with another month's supply on order.
Hugs & licks back
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:23:36 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Addison's
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I kept these informational posts just in case someone needed them:
Subject: Addison's
From: trishcamp@aol.com (TRISHCAMP)
Date: Mon, Oct 13, 1997 12:51 PM
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Great site for Addison's info. It is a rare occurance (some vets have
never
seen it and it's one of the last things they look for), although it does
tend
to show up in certain breeds, an indication of heredity. Lifetime meds
are
required. Although my guy almost died in crisis, he's been fine since
March
.
Appears that many vets think that DOCP is a better control than daily
flurinef and less than 50% require the pred supplement--mine does
not--although we are constantly on guard in case there are changes.
http://www.ccweb.com/marvistavet/
TrishCamp@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thyroid Disease in dogs
From: nanhew@aol.com (NanHew)
Date: Tue, Oct 14, 1997 2:52 PM
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There are two types of Thyroid dieseases for dogs, Addison's disease
(also
called Hypoadrenocorticism) and Cushings Disease (also called
HYPERadrenocorticism). Since your posting didn't specify which problem
your
vet suspects, I included both descriptions below. Please note that this
information comes from a very useful service provided by America On Line.
Addison's: Addison's disease is also known as hypoadrenocorticism. It
is an
insufficient production of adrenal hormones by the adrenal gland. Since
these
hormones are essential for life, this is an extremely serious disease and
it
must be treated as such.
Adrenal insufficiency can be primary or secondary. Primary adrenocorticism
affects salt/potassium balance in the body and glucorticoid as well.
Secondary
adrenocorticism usually only affects the glucocorticoids. It is not known
why
primary adrenocorticism occurs but it may be an immune mediated process.
Secondary adrenocorticism probably occurs most often when prednisone or
other
cortisone being administered for medical reasons are suddenly withdrawn.
It
can occur as a result of pituitary cancer or some other process that
interferes with production of hormones that stimulate the adrenal glands.
Most dogs with Addison's disease initially have gastrointestinal disturbances
like vomiting. Lethargy it also a common early sign. Poor appetite can
occur
as well. These are pretty vague signs and it is extremely easy to miss
this
disease. More severe signs occur when a dog with hypoadrenocorticism is
stressed or when potassium levels get high enough to interfere with heart
function. Dogs with this problem will sometimes suffer severe shock symptoms
when stressed, which can lead to a rapid death. When potassium levels get
high
heart arrythmias occur or even heart stoppage which also is fatal. In some
cases, especially secondary Addison's disease, there are no detectable
electrolyte changes.
This disease can be picked up by changes in the ratio between sodium
or
potassium by accident at times. When this happens it is still extremely
important to treat for it. It is confirmed by an ACTH response test --
administration of this hormone should stimulate production of adrenal
hormones. If this does not occur then hypoadrenocorticism is present. In
cases
in which the electrolyte levels are normal this is the only test for the
problem and it will be missed unless it is looked for specifically. At
times
this disease can be hard to differentiate from renal failure because the
symptoms and even the bloodwork can be similar ---- so the ACTH reponse
test
may be necessary to differentiate them.
Treatment for this disease is usually done by oral administration of
fludrocortisone acetate (Flurinaf), salting the food, and administration
of
corticosteroids like prednisone. In a crisis situation this disorder must
be
treated more aggressively with intravenous fluids, IV glucocorticoids and
correction of acid/base balances.
You have to pay close attention to a dog with this problem. Don't ignore
any
changes in appetite, GI disturbances or anything else that makes you think
your dog is ill. If you work with your vet and are careful about following
his
or her directions this disease has a good prognosis when it is discovered
before a crisis occurs.
Mike Richards, DVM
Cushings Disease or Hyperadrenocorticism
Cushings disease is probably more accurately refered to as
hyperadrenocorticism
-- the production of too much adrenal hormone, in particular
corticosteroids.
It can be naturally occuring or due to overadministration of corticosteroids
such as prednisone (iatrogenic Cushings). The latter is easy to cure -
just
cut out the corticosteroid administration slowly to allow the body to return
to normal function. The former is more difficult.
Hyperadrenocorticism occurs for two reasons --- a tumor of the adrenal
gland
that produces adrenal hormones or stimulation of the normal adrenal glands
from the hormones that control it. The primary reason for this to occur
is a
pituitary gland tumor that produces excessive ACTH, which stimulates the
adrenal gland to produce corticosteroids. Adrenal gland tumors account
for
15%
of the cases of spontaneous hyperadrenocorticism. Pituitary tumors account
for
85%.
Cushing's disease causes increased drinking, increased urination, increased
appetite, panting, high blood pressure, hair loss - usually evenly
distributed
on both sides of the body, pendulous abdomen, thinning of the skin, calcified
lumps in the skin, susceptibility to skin infections and diabetes, weakening
of the heart and skeletal muscles, nervous system disease and other symptoms.
Most owners reach a point where the water consumption and urination become
bothersome to them.
The diagnosis of Cushings can be done with several blood tests. A general
hint
of Cushing's can be obtained by a blood panel. To confirm it, a test known
as
a low dose dexamethasone test is done. A baseline blood sample is drawn
in
the
morning, an injection of dexamethasone given and a followup blood test
done 8
hours later. In a normal dog, the dexamethasone should suppress cortisol
levels in the blood stream. In Cushing's disease this effect does not occur.
Once the disease is diagnosed, it is possible to differentiate between
the
adrenal tumors and pituitary gland tumors using a second test, a high dose
dexamethasone suppression test. Most dogs with pituitary tumors will have
cortisol suppression on this test. There are other tests used, including
ACTH
response tests and urine cortisol/creatinine ratios to diagnose this disease.
X-rays and ultrasonography can help determine if an adrenal gland tumor
is
present.
If it can be determined that there is an adrenal gland tumor, it can
be
removed. Many veterinarians prefer to have a specialist attempt this since
the
surgical risks can be high. Pituitary gland tumors are not usually removed
in
veterinary medicine. This situation is treated using Lysodren (o'p'-DDD,
which
is a relative of DDT) or ketaconazole. Some research with Deprenyl for
treatment of this is being done, too, I think. Lysodren selectively kills
the
outer layer of the adrenal gland that produces corticosteroids. By
administering it in proper amounts it is possible to kill just enough of
the
gland off to keep the production of corticosteroids to normal levels.
Obviously, close regulation of this using blood testing is necessary since
overdoing it can cause severe problems with Addison's disease -
hypoadrenocorticism. Adverse reactions to Lysodren occur at times but it
is
the standard treatment at this time. Over medication with Lysodren can
cause
inappetance, vomiting, diarrhea, lethargy and weakness. If any of these
signs
occur then your veterinarian should be immediately notified.
Treatment of Cushing's disease caused by pituitary tumors is symptomatic
therapy -- it does not cure the pituitary tumor. The average lifespan of
dogs
diagnosed with Cushings, with or without treatment is estimated at 2 years
by
Dr. Mark Peterson, but in a recent conversation with another endocrinologist
I
came away with the impression that this was an "educated guess"
rather than
the result of extensive survey of Cushing's patients. At present, though,
I
think that treatment should be viewed as a means of providing a better
quality lifestyle rather than as a method of extending longevity. Mike
Richards, DVM
Laura
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:33:30 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
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In a message dated 7/16/98 12:33:42 PM, you wrote:
> We received her "Canine Cooler" bed on Monday, but so
far she doesn't seem
>to like it (first on the forum we guess). Last night, though, she did
use
one
>
>corner (about 3" square) as a pillow. Maybe she'll take to it
after awhile.
>(She won't let Timothy and Little Rosti touch it, so we'll probably
order
>another one just for them.)
Make that two of us. We got the cooler on Tuesday ( I was so excited!!)
and
immediately filled it, so it would be nice and cool for that night. Targa
got
on it and laid down with no problem, but got up again and moved to the carpet
where she remained all night. I repositioned it last night, with no success.
I
she "discovers" it soon. We hampered a little more here in that
she can't see
it. I had covered it with a sheet, so I don't think the vinyl was a problem.
It really does feel wonderfully cool to the touch, and very cushy. There
are
no returns if your dog simply does not like it- I asked prior to ordering-
and
after filling it I can see why. Let's hope it's just a matter of time for
both
our pups!
Anne and Targa
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:40:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings list <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Humans and Cushings.
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Jill-
My brother-in-law's girlfriend had adrenal-tumor induced Cushing's.
She
gained more than 50 pounds in 2 months, her skin got very thin, she was
always hot, she had a "buffalo hump" on her back (we don't see
that with
Cushy dogs, I don't think...)--the works! She had surgery, followed by
a tapering dosage of hormones and prednisone. She's finally back to
normal now, although it was a tough road for her.
As for pituitary-tumor induced Cushing's, I know of a guy here in Austin
who had it (Dillon mentioned him last week). I've invited him to visit
with our forum, but I haven't yet heard back. Sure hope he responds, as
I
think it would be fascinating to hear a person tell us the kinds of things
our dogs wish they could!
-Leslie
On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Jill Smith wrote:
> Hi. Jill and Rigsby here.
> Does anyone know how people are affected by Cushing's Syndrome, or
what medicine they use? When our first mini schnauzer was treated, we had
to import bottles of something pink and glutinous from America at vast expense.
We were told that it was a "human" medication for Cushings, but
I can't remember what it was called.
> I do know that Chutney had terrible reactions to it at first, but she
stabilised and lived happily for about 4 years.
> Thanks from us in Norfolk, U.K.
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:17:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: CBABTPC@aol.com
Cc: blinddogs@cybervision.com, cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
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Anne, you seem to always be my cheerleader! The Cushing's page is
undergoing a *slow*, but extensive revamping. Unfortunately, the
revamping is taking a backseat right now to two major things happening
in my life right now: we just bought our first home and so are in the
process of closing to be followed by moving; and I'm about to leave my
job of 10 years.
Things you can expect to see sometime in the not-so-near future include:
*A new host home for the web page and the list--if anyone can manage
to
find us donated space and list hosting services, I'd be most grateful!
*A redesigned page--one of our Cushings-Pets subscribers is a graphic
artist, and she has volunteered to create a logo for us;
*An FAQ--it's pretty much finished already;
*A searchable database of Cushings-Pets subscribers to include dog's
breed, age, weight, length of time since diagnosis, treatment protocol,
and confounding conditions, and city of residence;
*A searchable archive of Cushings-Pets digests;
*Additional full-text articles.
So in time, perhaps the Cushing's page will be something to brag about.
In the meantime, thank you for the generous but undeserved compliment.
-Leslie
On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 CBABTPC@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Leslie!
>
> I just have one quibble with your introductory post- the web page is
not
> lame!!
>
> It's a great site with all kinds of terrific links to other dog-related
sites,
> informational articles, stories and pictures about the dogs on the
list, and
> the electronic forum plus the list archives. I particularly found
that
> reading the archives before I joined the list gave me a greater insight
into
> various treatment options and what to expect.
>
> You are always adding something new, so I like to check in on a regular
basis!
>
> Anne and Targa ( Cushing's and SARDS)
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:24:10 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Flea control info from the alt vet med web site
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Basics of Natural Flea Control
by Susan Gayle Wynn
Fleas can reproduce with amazing speed-in one month 10 females can
generate a population of over 267,000 offspring. Since they have been
doing this for millions of years without our interference, fleas are tough
to fight. The "war on fleas" must be approached with the idea
that the
fight is ongoing; fleas will come back unless you adopt a maintenance
system, all season long.
The secret to flea survival and to our control tactics is in the flea
life
cycle:
EGG ----> LARVA ----> PUPA ----> ADULT ----> EGG ----> etc
[Image] The adult flea spends almost all of its time on your dog
or
cat, but remember those hundreds of thousands of offspring? The female
lays her eggs in warm dark places (like your carpet and sofa), and they
are the reason that the strongest part of your flea defense must involve
the house and yard. The real problem is in the pupa stage; it is resistant
to just about everything, so that even when you kill all the adults, eggs
and larvae with conventional insecticides and growth regulators, you will
have fleas again in about 2 weeks when the pupae hatch.
The basic protocol for flea control might look something like this:
1. Pet:
[Image] The cornerstone of flea control is good overall health
for
the animal, and a natural, complete diet is absolutely essential.
When the animal is healthy, s/he does not "taste" or "smell"
as good
to the fleas. A supplement of fresh garlic or the odorless garlic
capsules may also be helpful, but please do not use brewers yeast.
It
has no specific activity against pests and, in addition, is likely
to
be allergenic to many pets, thereby compounding the skin problems.
[Image] Bathe and dip weekly as needed. One good natural shampoo
is Natural Animal. Dips are usually pyrethrin or limonene based,
which are both derived from natural sources - just read the label.
Another option involves the herbal extract oils like Shoo oil from
Natural Animal or Cloud Nine herbal oil from Halo. It can be diluted
in water like a dip (15-20 drops in a gallon of water, then left on
the animal to dry), or apply directly to the fur over the tail, feet
and between shoulder blades every 2-3 days as needed (this method
has
rarely caused skin irritation, so do a test patch first).
[Image] Between baths, which serve mainly to clean up flea dirt
and decimate at least a part of the adult population, you should
treat your pet with a powder or spray. Diatomaceous earth and
pyrethrum dust from Natural Animal (I like a combination of half and
half), or the herbal sprays like Natural Animal's Coat Enhancer Spray
work well, but only if used often, since they begin to break down
within hours. You may need to apply these coat treatments every day
or two during flea season! Remember that herbal repellants don't last
long once exposed to air, but they are also safe to use frequently.
This is not always true of the conventional sprays, dips, etc. which
almost never live up to their promises of 7-14 day protection! Don't
forget that old standby--the flea comb.
2. House:
[Image] Recall that the secret to flea control is in the FREQUENCY
of your flea treatments. The conventional sprays and foggers, and
especially those of commercial pest control services, are not safe
to
use more than about once a month, yet you should be attacking the
new
adult fleas every 2 weeks or so - this is why the conventional
treatments, even with a growth regulator, may fail. If you use a
conventional spray (no foggers please), use one with pyrethrins AND
methoprene, and use as often as the label allows, up to every 2
weeks.
[Image] The more natural alternatives include using diatomaceous
earth or borax in your carpets, but these treatments are fairly messy
for the frequency with which you will have to use them. The one best
natural flea treatment is Rx for Fleas, also known as Fleabusters.
This is a form of borax that lasts for up to one year in your
carpet/upholstry, which is tantamount to treating for fleas EVERY
DAY. This product will lighten your work load considerably - it
absolutely changed my life!
[Image] Remember to pay special attention to areas where your pet
hangs out or sleeps. For dogs, cedar beds may help a great deal.
[Image] Some people have had some luck with flea traps, but these
only address the small proportion of fleas that happen to be adult,
and I do not believe that they will make a difference if used alone.
3. Yard:
[Image] Control in the yard is sometimes the most difficult and
expensive, especially if your animal roams a great deal. Just
remember that the areas where s/he spends the most time are the most
important. Natural treatments that have been used include
diatomaceous earth, pyrethrum dust and a new method that has gotten
good initial reviews.
[Image] Recently, beneficial organisms called nematodes were
introduced; individual brand names include Interrupt, Lawn Patrol
and
Guardian. Apparently these nematodes attack and kill the larvae of
fleas, as well as those of over 250 other harmful insects like peach
tree borers, roaches and possibly termites. These nematodes are said
to be harmless to beneficial insects, birds and mammals.
Summary:
[Image] Flea control is season long, coordinated attack that must
be maintained whether you use conventional or natural products. The
advantage to natural flea products is that they are safer to use in
the frequent manner required. Keeping adults off the animal with
baths AND frequent powdering or spraying, together with the new
approaches to environmental control, you will find that natural flea
control works very well and have a happier pet by the end of the
season!
Please be sure to visit our Guest Book, so you can tell us where you're
from and a little bit about yourself.
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I just personally purchased the yard nemotodes this morning. They were
$20
for the microscopic critters that apparently cover an area of about 5,000
square feet. They're supposed to eat the flea larvae.
Laura
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:04:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler Beds
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I finally prepared Sweetie's canine cooler bed on Friday night, but it
wasn't really cool until Saturday afternoon; in the meantime, I had placed
her fake sheepskin throw over it. With the throw covering it, she then lay
on it but not for any stretch of time. It wasn't until last night, when
I
came home from work about 10 p.m., that she fully accepted it. The heat
had hit! and she was stretched out full-length on it. We then had our walk
in the heat, and she immediately lolled on it when we returned.
Tibetan dogs are known for not liking any change in furniture. Many owners
find their rooms rearranged after they have changed them, and new throw
rugs are often dragged out of the house by recalcitrant TTs. All in all,
in light of this inherent dislike of change in furnishings, I'd say
Sweetie has given it a big thumbs up!
Jenny & Sweetie, a really cooool Tibetan Terrier
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:12:05 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler beds
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For those of you whose dogs don't like the Canine Cooler beds -- if you
try
everything and they still won't use them, perhaps someone else on the list
would be willing to buy it from you at a discount? I've been thinking of
ordering
one, just haven't gotten around to it. So if you have a bed that's not getting
used,
let me know.
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:42:47 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 7/16/98 3:07:04 PM, you wrote:
>Tibetan dogs are known for not liking any change in furniture. Many
owners
>find their rooms rearranged after they have changed them, and new throw
>rugs are often dragged out of the house by recalcitrant TTs. All in
all,
>in light of this inherent dislike of change in furnishings, I'd say
>Sweetie has given it a big thumbs up!
I love it- a dog who is an interior decorator!! Glad Sweetie likes the
canine
cooler, I'm still hopeful!!
Anne and Targa
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:53:21 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler beds
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Jackie,
I can't speak for the others, but the problem with shipping them anywhere
would be the water. It is essentially a vinyl sleeve with some sort of
absorbant foam rubber inside. You fill it with water via a small valve
opening. Targa's bed is in two pieces and took ten gallons of water, and
about
an hour to fill up, one quart at a time, working out the air bubbles at
various points. Truthfully I can barely drag it across the floor, it is
that
heavy, and I don't see how you could ever get the water back out. But maybe
the folks at the company would have some ideas on that if it doesn't work
out.
Otherwise I think it would be a great idea. At the very least, I figured
I
could donate it to the humane society, if I can get my husband to help load
it
into the car. I'm still hoping that she'll take to it. It does say to give
them several days to "find" it in the company literature.
Anne and Targa
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: CUSHINGS WEB PAGE <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Cc: "BRANN, Ada" <adandawg@as.net>
Subject: Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
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All it takes to brighten my day is a post about Terrible Ted. Thank you!
Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:59:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Inspiration for the Day (fwd)
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This most appropriate follow-up to discussion of the Cushing's web page
just arrived in my mailbox (forwarded to me from my sweet hubby, who knows
I've been shortchanging myself lately...)
Thanks to all of you for indulging me with the Cushing's list as an outlet
for the fullness of my heart.
-Leslie
******************
C A R E
Though the talents you possess
may appear to be average or less,
use them anyway.
The woods would be very silent
if no birds sang except the very best.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:07:44 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
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Leslie,
The Cushings page is inspirational as it is and any improvements
will only serve to increase the excellence of your brain-child. I understand
that geocities.com will host a page free of charge provided that a small
advertising logo is included. The future changes you describe will make
this
a classier act than ever.
Many thanks for your devotion to us all and best wishes in your new venture.
Changing a job is traumatic enough, but including in that experience the
buying of a house will give you grey hairs - but, its a great step forward.
Regards,
EilEen and Dave ROBERTS
and Terrible Ted (soon to be a cool dude as his Canine Cooler
arrived today)
-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: CBABTPC@aol.com <CBABTPC@aol.com>
Cc: blinddogs@cybervision.com <blinddogs@cybervision.com>;
cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
>Anne, you seem to always be my cheerleader! The Cushing's page is
>undergoing a *slow*, but extensive revamping. Unfortunately, the
>revamping is taking a backseat right now to two major things happening
>in my life right now: we just bought our first home and so are in the
>process of closing to be followed by moving; and I'm about to leave
my
>job of 10 years.
>
>Things you can expect to see sometime in the not-so-near future include:
>
>*A new host home for the web page and the list--if anyone can manage
to
>find us donated space and list hosting services, I'd be most grateful!
>
>*A redesigned page--one of our Cushings-Pets subscribers is a graphic
>artist, and she has volunteered to create a logo for us;
>
>*An FAQ--it's pretty much finished already;
>
>*A searchable database of Cushings-Pets subscribers to include dog's
>breed, age, weight, length of time since diagnosis, treatment protocol,
>and confounding conditions, and city of residence;
>
>*A searchable archive of Cushings-Pets digests;
>
>*Additional full-text articles.
>
>So in time, perhaps the Cushing's page will be something to brag about.
>In the meantime, thank you for the generous but undeserved compliment.
>
>-Leslie
>
>On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 CBABTPC@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Leslie!
>>
>> I just have one quibble with your introductory post- the web page
is not
>> lame!!
>>
>> It's a great site with all kinds of terrific links to other dog-related
sites,
>> informational articles, stories and pictures about the dogs on
the list,
and
>> the electronic forum plus the list archives. I particularly found
that
>> reading the archives before I joined the list gave me a greater
insight
into
>> various treatment options and what to expect.
>>
>> You are always adding something new, so I like to check in on a
regular
basis!
>>
>> Anne and Targa ( Cushing's and SARDS)
>>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:08:32 -0400
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler beds
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Don't give up on the Canine Cooler Beds too quickly. I know that my
dog Colby
basically ignored it for over a month. I was really disappointed. Now,
however,
she sleeps on it all the time.
Jane and Colby
CBABTPC@aol.com wrote:
> Jackie,
>
> I can't speak for the others, but the problem with shipping them anywhere
> would be the water. It is essentially a vinyl sleeve with some sort
of
> absorbant foam rubber inside. You fill it with water via a small valve
> opening. Targa's bed is in two pieces and took ten gallons of water,
and about
> an hour to fill up, one quart at a time, working out the air bubbles
at
> various points. Truthfully I can barely drag it across the floor,
it is that
> heavy, and I don't see how you could ever get the water back out. But
maybe
> the folks at the company would have some ideas on that if it doesn't
work out.
> Otherwise I think it would be a great idea. At the very least, I figured
I
> could donate it to the humane society, if I can get my husband to help
load it
> into the car. I'm still hoping that she'll take to it. It does say
to give
> them several days to "find" it in the company literature.
>
> Anne and Targa
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:17:44 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler Beds
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Anne....
When I first got the beds (needed two for my big guy) Schonus would walk
a mile out of his way to avoid the bed. I thought, oh no!! I tried
putting a sheet over it, putting his rugs over it but you know you can't
trick them! Then one day he started laying his face on the corner of
it. The next day I would get a little treat and go stand on the other
side of the bed and he would lay down on it to get the treat. Once he
laid down on it, he never moved!! Fell asleep at the snap of my
fingers. His panting slowed way down. I worked with him for a couple
of days and now it's a race to see who gets to it first....him or me!
It just takes some getting use to. What's so hysterical is I can call
Schonus to come and have a snack with me and he just gives me the "eyes"
like "bring it to me"...Imagine that...all I have to do is go
into the
kitchen and he's right behind me thinking he's going to be fed but since
he's discovered his new bed...he wants to be served in bed!!
Give Targa a little more time...work with her as the slushing of the
water scared Schonus at first but not now.
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:27:11 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Easing symptoms
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Sandy....
Just trying to catch up on everything I missed.
I was just curious why you stopped the Lysodren after 2 years and
switched to Anipryl? Like Puffin...after Schonus eats, he starts
panting terribly. I've cut back on his food but it didn't help.
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:30:25 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: CUSHINGS-PETS
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Leslie.....
Look at it this way....where would we all be without you!!!?
Best of luck with your new home!
Linda
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:19:58 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: New Cushings Pet
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Hi, I'm new to the list. My dog, Boru, a 10 1/2 yr old Irish Setter
was just
diagnosed with Cushings disease. He and his best friend, Kayla, joined
our
family almost 4 yrs ago through the rscue league. He has had many of the
symptoms of Cushings since then but none of the vets mentioned Cushings.
In
May he had to have a sarcoma removed from his leg and I asked the surgeon
to
run some blood tests first because he had been drinking more water and panting
so much that he was keeping me up during the night. She found his thyroid
level was so low that it was almost immeasurable. After the surgery he
had
several more tests and finally an ACTH test which confirmed Cushings. He
has
been on Soloxine for the thyroid problem and has just started (6 days ago)
Anipryl. Boru also receives homeopathic and holistic supplements for his
glands and liver. After reading one of the letters in the forum, I told
my
vet that I wanted to switch to a daily heartworm med for him and she gave
me a
hard time, but has agreed. I want to do as much as I can to make him
comfortable and able to enjoy his life. He is a very active and happy guy
and
I don't want that to change. Any suggestions would be appreciated. It's
really good to know that there are other families who are going through
what
we are. This is really a great source of help and comfort. Thanks to Leslie
and to everyone who makes it available.
Maria, Dave, Kaitlin, Boru and Kayla
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:30:55 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Maria,
Which type of Cushings does he have. My dog, a 12 yr old Sheltie, was just
recently diagnosed as well and he is on Anipryl for it although so far he
doesn't have any other problems.
Joan
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:09:54 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
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Leslie,
We may not take the time as often as we should to tell you this, but
believe me...all your work in keeping this list going is greatly
appreciated, at least in this household. I am looking forward to all
the upcoming additions you have in mind for the forum, and I understand
about priorities - last Friday we brought home a new addition to our
family, a beautiful 9 week old standard poodle puppy named Q! Now much
of my free time revolves around him and transitioning him into the
family. Good luck with your new job and your new home and once again
thanks for all your hard work and dedication to the cushings-pets list.
-- Liza and Boomer (Sascha, Cochi and Q - da baby)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
> To: CBABTPC@aol.com <CBABTPC@aol.com>
> Cc: blinddogs@cybervision.com <blinddogs@cybervision.com>;
> cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
>
> >Anne, you seem to always be my cheerleader! The Cushing's page
is
> >undergoing a *slow*, but extensive revamping. Unfortunately, the
> >revamping is taking a backseat right now to two major things happening
> >in my life right now: we just bought our first home and so are
in the
> >process of closing to be followed by moving; and I'm about to leave
my
> >job of 10 years.
> >
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:09:33 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi Joan,
His condition is kind of fragile so we're using the Anipryl because it
isn't
necessary to know if it's pituitary or adrenal. If it doesn't work, I'll
probably have to decide if I want him to be tested further to see if it's
adrenal. He had a severe urinary tract infection before the surgery on
his
leg and after the ACTH test he developed an upper respiratory infection.
It
has taken him two months to recover from the surgery and the ACTH test.
I did
not want to do any more tests that might compromise his condition any more.
He is acting more like himself these days and I'm optimistic that we are
on
the right track.
Maria
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:13:26 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
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In a message dated 7/16/98 9:10:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gatorpoo@mediaone.net writes:
<< Good luck with your new job and your new home and once again
thanks for all your hard work and dedication to the cushings-pets list.
>>
Yes Liza, I second that. I can't tell you what it means to have someplace
to
go with people that understand and information thats so helpful. You are
an
angel.
Joan
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:17:50 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
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Maria,
Is he taking anything for the Cushings or just meds for the other things?
I am
very impressed with the anipryl as there has only been improvement with
no
side effects. Mine has the pititary which basically to find out was only
spending the day at the vet so they could draw blood at certain intervals
throughout an 8 hour period. It was a very easy test for dog, but I was
a
wreck. He's starting to be his old self again, playing and not panting.
Of
course if you find its the other, the meds are alot more stressful. It
might
be worth looking in to. You have my prayers. Please keep in touch.
Joan
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:02:52 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi Joan,
Thanks for your thoughts and your prayers. I'm hoping the Anipryl will
work
and he will have some relief from the panting. He's only been on it for
6
days so we have a little longer to see if it is working. We have central
A/C
in the house so that helps. The supplements seem to be helping a little
as
far as he is drinking a little less. Hopefully in a month the Anipryl will
do
the trick and he will have some peace and I'll get some sleep. Right now
he
sleeps til about 2 then wakes up and it takes a while for me to calm him
down
and then he wakes up again around 4. Last night he only woke up once at
3
which was great. I think he hears the paper delivery person at 2 and it
wakes
him up and he starts panting. Then at 4 or 4:30 the rooster down the street
has to wake up the world and Boru, too. He sleeps most of the day and then
the panting starts about 2 hours before supper time. He doesn't pant when
he
is sleeping.
Thanks again, Maria
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:29:47 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Beds
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Linda,
Thanks for the pep talk. I haven't tried the treats yet. The funny part
is
that she will get on it if I coax her, and even lie down, but after about
5
minutes she gets up and moves. She is sleeping with a shoulder on it right
now
though- so maybe a larger section of my big girl will find it's way onto
it
every night?! :)
Anne and Targa
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:26:36 EDT
From: LCady@aol.com
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Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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To Maria and Boru:
You're the first other Irish Setter I've seen with Cushing's and, while
I feel
good to have some company within my own breed, I'm sorry you're going through
this as well. Maggie is 12-1/2 and was diagnosed last October. We're on
Lysodren maintenance now and have some good days and some bad. She gets
500
mg. twice a week, and sometimes has no reaction, but sometimes has the runs.
I've gotten used to the fact that I am at her disposal for whatever. She
is a
big priority for me, and I very often sleep with her downstairs when her
panting is too much for everyone else in the house upstairs. The odd thing
is, though, I really don't mind. It makes for some sleepless nights sometimes
and we've had to make concessions to her arthritis as well, blocking off
stairways so she won't have an accident while I'm off to the grocery or
whatever, but after over 12 years with her, I will do virtually whatever
I can
to make her remaining time happy. Sorry to go on, sometimes I "feel
the
need". Good luck with your puppy. You've found a good spot here on
the
Cushing's list..
Lois and Maggie
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:34:59 -0700
From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler Beds question
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I asked this once before and didn't get (or didn't see) a response.
Does
anyone know if the beds are easily damaged by chewing and if the material
would be toxic if ingested? Loki is still chewing things when he thinks
we
aren't watching. I would very much like to get him the bed, but of course
do not wish to see him get sick! Thanks!
--
kathleen richards kilty@tstonramp.com
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~ -dire straits
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:05:11 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi Lois and Maggie,
So there is another Irish Setter with Cushings. I thought Boru was one
of the
rare ones. I have had several Irish Setters and looking back it's possible
a
couple of them had Cushings, but weren't diagnosed. I know someone whose
IS
has Cushings but doesn't have the symptoms so she is just using homeopathic
and holistic remedies to maintain her liver and her overall general health.
Does Maggie have adrenal or pituitary? We don't know which Boru has
but the
Anipryl is safe for either one. He's been on it for a week now but I won't
know if it works for at least a month.
Sleeping on the couch sounds familiar. I have spent many nights with
him in
the family room. If I keep the TV on, he thinks I'm awake and he sleeps.
He
actually has only woken up once the last two nights and last night he went
back to sleep when we moved up to the living room. If I don't stay with
him,
he goes in my daughter's room and wakes her up. He has given up on my
husband, nothing wakes him up. However the other night I must have been
exhausted and slept through the panting and he woke both of them up. I
agree
with you. Even though we have only had Boru for a few years of his life,
I
would do anything to make him comfortable. I have another IS, Kayla. She
doesn't seem to be jealous that Boru is getting all this attention. (she
gets
her share too) Maybe she understands that he needs more right now.
Thanks for writing. It's great too have so much support and a place
to ask
questions.
Maria and Boru
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:59:42 -0400
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
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Hi, Kathleen.
I just checked with the web site about the Canine Cooler. The information
there
says that it is a non-toxic material. It also says that it is difficult
to
puncture. My dog has never tried to chew the covering. So, I don't know
for
sure. But, the cover appears to be quite durable.
You could check out this page for a listing of Frequently Asked questions.
http://www.chillow.com/canine_cooler.htm
Jane and Colby
kathleen richards wrote:
> I asked this once before and didn't get (or didn't see) a response.
Does
> anyone know if the beds are easily damaged by chewing and if the material
> would be toxic if ingested? Loki is still chewing things when he thinks
we
> aren't watching. I would very much like to get him the bed, but of
course
> do not wish to see him get sick! Thanks!
> --
> kathleen richards kilty@tstonramp.com
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~ -dire
straits
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:02:58 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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In a message dated 98-07-17 07:06:46 EDT, you write:
<< We don't know which Boru has but the
Anipryl is safe for either one. >>
Maria,
Anipryl is only used to treat the pituitary gland Cushings, will not
work with
adrenalin gland.
That was one reason I suggested the blood test to see which one it was.
Anipryl is expensive and useless if Boru has the adrenalin cushings.
Joan
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:11:56 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Easing symptoms
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I have a theory that the increased panting is a metabolism related issue.
For
all of us, the body temperature rises slightly after eating, as the food
starts
to be digested. Then, as more blood is "rushed" to the gut, this
heat may to
transfer to a location that is harder for our little darlings to get rid
of.
Hence, the panting.
I'm not a vet. I can barely figure out how my own body works (when it does).
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"Don't worry, they couldn't hit an
elephant from that dist..."
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:25:29 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
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In a message dated 7/16/98 10:35:22 PM, you wrote:
>I asked this once before and didn't get (or didn't see) a response.
Does
>
>anyone know if the beds are easily damaged by chewing and if the material
>
>would be toxic if ingested? Loki is still chewing things when he thinks
we
>
>aren't watching. I would very much like to get him the bed, but of
course
>
>do not wish to see him get sick! Thanks!
>
>--
>
>kathleen richards
Kathleen,
On the packing cover that comes with the bed (where all the instructions
are
located) it states - do not let your pet chew on, or eat any of the bed-
and
specifically waives any responsibility for sickness resulting from misuse.
The 800 # is 1-888-244-5569 if you want to talk to anyone there to see
if they
have had any cases of this occurring or if it is just standard liability
stuff. They are very helpful and seem quite candid about answering questions.
Chewing would certainly affect the bed iyself, as the water would leak
through
the holes unless they could be patched in some way. The bed is warranted
against damage from toenails for 10 years- so it's pretty heavy vinyl.
When we got up this AM Targa was sleeping on it for the first time!!
Anne and Targa
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:38:17 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi Joan,
Thanks for the information. The vet told me that the Anipryl would not
work
if he has adrenal Cushings, but he said that most dogs have pituitary.
If the
Anipryl doesn't work in a month, I'll have to decide if I want to have him
tested further. He had such a hard time after the ACTH test that I didn't
want to put him through any more tests right now. He also explained that
there would be a lot more testing to find out the dose and regulate the
other
medication. I think he is in the final stages of Cushings and just want
to
make him comfortable. He has had most of the symptoms for the last 4 yrs
and
in the last year they have gotten worse. Right now the Soloxine seems to
be
keeping his Thyroid under control and I'm trying to get the panting and
excessive drinking under control. The Anipryl might do that. From what
I have
found out, the Anipryl has the least side effects.
Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:39:56 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi again Joan,
Is there any medication for Adrenal Cushings? Is it just the surgery
to
correct it?
Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:50:01 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Easing symptoms
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I asked my holistic vet why they pant and he said he thought it was due
to
something in the blood. Could be related to digestion and circulation.
Boru
pants whenever he is awake and doing anything. He is worse when he gets
excited like while his meals are being prepared. He actually relaxes after
he
eats and takes a nap. If he wakes up during the night, he starts panting
and
takes a while to settle back down. I've tried letting him out but that
doesn't make a difference.
Keeping him cool does make a difference.
Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:04:46 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren Compound
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>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:30:04 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
>Subject: Lysodren Compound
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Content-Description: cc:Mail note part
>
> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
> As of recent weeks I have been reading messages of concerns
> of people about the compounding of the medicines we treat our babies
> with. This alarmed me and Jackie, so I contacted Taylors Pharmacy
in
> Winter Park, Florida (where we obtain our Lysodren). They told
me
> they purchased the medicine from a distributor called Ameri-Source,
so
> I got there phone number and called them. They in turn told me
that
> the medicine (Lysodren) was purchased from Bristol-Myers-Squibb
in
> Princeton, NJ. So I got there number and called them. All of
this
> phone calling was to find out where the pill was manufactured.
>
> I spoke to a representative at Bristol-Myers-Squibb,
who
> informed me that they purchased the medicine from a manufacturing
> company. Their name is Anabolic Inc. in Irvine, CA. I was also
told
> that the name Lysodren is a Trademark and Copyrighted to only
> Bristol-Myers-Squibb; they also said that the name could be Mitotane,
> which is the generic trade name. Do not get that confused with
> Generic medicines. It is not the same thing. She said Mitotane
is
> still Lysodren, it is just the word Vets and Medical people use
> instead of the Tradename.
>
> What I found out after all of this was that Lysodren
is a
> medicine made in the U.S. and it is the original medicine, so it
is
> the one that was compounded correctly the first time. Also, if
the
> name Lysodren appears on the bottle that it must be the pill that
is
> inside or there is a copyright violation and the pharmacy would
lose
> their right to practice; so the risk are great, I believe that
if it
> says Lysodren (Mitotane) then that is what it is.
>
> If any of you have questions about where your Vet gets
his
> meds ask him where and call them and they will give you the
> distributor and then follow the above calling process and you can
find
> out where the pill comes from. I always told them I was a CONSUMER.
> Also, I gave them background info, such as I had a Cushings Pup
and
> was interested in finding out where the medicine came from. They
were
> always very helpful. Good hunting or should I say calling if you
> desire to know.
>
> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:21:48 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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Are the Canine Cooler Beds good for dogs with arthritis? It seems to
me
that they wouldn't be. Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about
that?
Just a note to let you know how C.B. is doing. She is off Lysodren and on
Anipryl now for 6 weeks with no results yet. Still constant panting and
her
water intake went up dramatically last week, so now she is taking 60mg a
day (70 lb Lab) . I sure hope she shows some inprovement. It's nice to read
about everyone's loved ones. It does help. Thanks. Linda & C.B.
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:01:39 -0400
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi, Maria.
My dog Colby has adrenal based Cushings. I had her tested at Tufts
Veterinary Medical Center outside of Boston. The specialist there did lots
of blood tests and finally an ultrasound to determine that it was adrenal
based. One gland had gotten very small and the other was engulfed by a
tumor. They did xrays to be sure that the tumor had not metastisized.
It
had not.
The specialist told me I could treat Colby in one of two ways. I could
have
surgery done to remove the tumor or I could treat her with Lysodren. The
surgery would have been very difficult, so I opted for Lysodren. After
21
days on the medication and after having Colby retested, it was determined
that the Lysodren had killed off the tumor. The specialist said that it
doesn't usually work that quickly. I have had her retested several times
since and her levels at this time are normal.
Jane
MFCROCKER1@aol.com wrote:
> Hi again Joan,
>
> Is there any medication for Adrenal Cushings? Is it just the surgery
to
> correct it?
>
> Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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I'll butt in and add that medical adrenalectomy is an option, too, for
both pituitary- and adrenal-based Cushing's. As witnessed by our group's
very own Terrible Ted, Lysodren can be used with great success to destroy
the adrenal gland. This option requires daily, lifelong, supplemental
hormones. I don't believe this is a good option for everyone, but it's
had proven success. Terrible Ted's dad, Dave can certainly speak to
this better than I.... Oh Dave......
-Leslie
On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 MFCROCKER1@aol.com wrote:
> Hi again Joan,
>
> Is there any medication for Adrenal Cushings? Is it just the surgery
to
> correct it?
>
> Maria
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:12:22 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Lysodren Compound
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BRAVO to Randy and Jackie for going the extra mile to ensure that Sunny
is
getting the best care she can. And thanks for checking up and make lots
of
people just a little more relaxed.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"Don't worry, they couldn't hit an
elephant from that dist..."
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:14:06 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler Beds
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Anne & Targa,
Today (7/16) your wrote:
>Targa got on it and laid down with no problem, but got up again and
moved to
>the carpet where she remained all night. I repositioned it last night,
with no
>success.
Since Monday, I have moved Clea's cooler bed to the kitchen, dining
room,
living room, and her bedroom (at least 3 locations in each room) in hopes
that
she will discover it (or at least fall onto it) with no success. My legs
feel
like rubber bands and I've been using Flexall 454 on my back and shoulders
all
week. Actually, I feel like I'm dying from this activity, so the very last
place I'm putting her cooler bed is right up close next to our bed. Maybe
she'll sense that I'm dying and she'll finally come and get on her bed to
be
close to me.
>It is essentially a vinyl sleeve with some sort of absorbant foam
rubber
>inside. You fill it with water via a small valve opening. Targa's bed
is in
>two pieces and took ten gallons of water, and about an hour to fill
up, one
>quart at a time, working out the air bubbles at various points. Truthfully
I
>can barely drag it across the floor, it is that heavy, and I don't see
how you
>could ever get the water back out.
After awhile, I thought it might be easier to get the air bubbles
out if I
transferred the cooler bed from the floor to the dining room table. I tried
the foot-to-knee-to-chest-to-tabletop motion four (4) times before I could
get
half of the cooler bed on the tabletop and then I had to pull and knee the
other half up until it all flipped over onto itself.
>At the very least, I figured I could donate it to the humane society,
if I can
>get my husband to help load it into the car. I'm still hoping that she'll
take
>to it.
I asked Tom if he could move the cooler bed off the table top and
onto the
floor in the bedroom. I think he now has a chest hernia (just kidding).
But,
a little spit flew out of his mouth when he picked it up and started laughting
because he couldn't believe how heavy it was.
Didn't someone on this list order *THREE* of these coolers? Holy
Smoke!
What hospital should we send flowers to?! Or maybe that person is already
dead
and we don't know about it.
Maria and Clea
P.S. Friday up-date: It's worth it all ten times over to see her so
comfortable. Woke up this morning to find her snoozing peacefully on her
cooler bed. And now she doesn't seem to want to leave it. Can't wait to
hear
how Targa likes hers once she takes to it.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:16:57 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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In a message dated 98-07-17 10:41:03 EDT, you write:
<< If the
Anipryl doesn't work in a month, I'll have to decide if I want to have
him
tested further. >>
Maria,
I didn't really see results with the anipryl until we started our 6 week
so a
month may not be sufficient time.
Joan
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:18:04 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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On Jul 17, 10:11am, Leslie Lawson wrote:
> Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
> I'll butt in and add that medical adrenalectomy is an option, too,
for
> both pituitary- and adrenal-based Cushing's. As witnessed by our group's
> very own Terrible Ted, Lysodren can be used with great success to destroy
> the adrenal gland. This option requires daily, lifelong, supplemental
> hormones. I don't believe this is a good option for everyone, but
it's
> had proven success. Terrible Ted's dad, Dave can certainly speak to
> this better than I.... Oh Dave......
Ivan went for 3 1/2 years on Lysodren. Since he responded so well, we
never
bothered to consider Anipryl (which was not available when he was first
diagnosed).
>
> -Leslie
>
> On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 MFCROCKER1@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hi again Joan,
> >
> > Is there any medication for Adrenal Cushings? Is it just the
surgery to
> > correct it?
> >
> > Maria
> >
>
>-- End of excerpt from Leslie Lawson
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"Don't worry, they couldn't hit an
elephant from that dist..."
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:20:01 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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In a message dated 98-07-17 10:44:32 EDT, you write:
<<
Is there any medication for Adrenal Cushings? Is it just the surgery to
correct it?
>>
Yes and some of the others may be able to explain it better since Pepper
has
the other one and I have no first hand experience with it only what I have
learned here. Its a much more complex medicine with alot of side effects
if I
have been reading correctly. The people using these meds have their work
cut
out for them. I don't envy them or their pets.
Joan
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:44:50 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
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Hi Linda and C.B.,
I can relate to the increased panting. Could be the heat we've been
having.
Boru has been on Anipryl for 7 days now so I haven't seen any changes yet
and
wasn't expecting to for a few weeks. He takes 90 mg.(which is tough to
do
since the pill isn't scored so sometimes he gets less and sometimes more)
and
he weighs 100#.
Maybe now that C.B.'s dosage is increased it will be more effective.
Which
Cushings does she have?
Hope she is feeling better soon. Maria, Boru and Kayla
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:57:39 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi Joan,
I'll probably try for 2 or 3 months with the Anipryl. If it works it
will be
worth it. After reading about the cooler beds, I hope I won't have to
get
one. Can you imagine the size of one for a 100 lb Irish Setter.
Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:04:48 -0700
From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
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Thank you everyone for the help! I think we'll be ordering one, maybe
two,
and test out the chewing situation, We can fill one and if he insistes
on
chewing on it we can let the other dog use it (she's sort of indoor/outdoor
- she hates being inside but she wants to always be around us so she makes
exceptions). If we get two we can keep Loki's in the box for later if he
seems to want to chew. He's only 6 months old so he should grow out of
it
(chewing).
It is hitting record temps here - supposed to be 110 here in the San
Bernardino area today. ugh. Our air conditioning needs a major overhaul.
*sigh* I own stock in fan and evaporative cooler companies! (kidding)
We
bought the dogs a plastic kiddie pool for the yard and they LOVE it! :)
Thanks again!
--
kathleen richards kilty@tstonramp.com
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~ -dire straits
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:07:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:
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On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 MFCROCKER1@aol.com wrote:
> He takes 90 mg.(which is tough to do
> since the pill isn't scored so sometimes he gets less and sometimes
more) and
> he weighs 100#.
Many pharmacies will compound your existing pills for you into smaller
dosages (crushed and evenly divided into capsules). We had Missy's
Lysodren compounded into thirds; 30 capsules cost us ~$8(US), but I'm sure
the cost varies.
-Leslie
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:30:26 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Puffin
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Puffin has had 3 good nights in a row! She still wakes up for water,
but
not as often and the unending panting has subsided. I don't know if it
the fan, less food in the p.m., the Anipryl, cooler weather or a
combination of all. Whatever, she's happier!
Hope everyone has a good weekend.
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 06:30:35 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Surgery for pituitary tumors
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When Sam was first diagnosed with pituitary tumors, I spoke with my vet
about the options. I found out the UC Davis Vet School doesn't do
surgery on pituitary tumors causing Cushing's as they feel medication is
effective and less risky. I don't know what rate of success the surgery
(?and follow-up radiation treatments) has.
In the summer newsletter from UC Davis I read an article on high-tech
medicine for pets being used/researched at the Vet School. One section
was on gene therapy for brain tumors. I asked if they did this for the
pituitary tumors associated with Cushing's; they replied they'd be
interested in trying that but it would take a while to get set up. It
sounded far too experimental for me to consider -- Sam's just about 12
and is doing well on Lysodren. I asked them for more information on the
particulars of the procedure, etc, but haven't heard back.
The procedure involved taking material from the tumor, inserting genetic
material into the tumor cells, and later reinserting the altered tumor
cells back into the tumor. I'm not sure how invasive this is (e.g.,
needle biopsy vs major surgery). If I get more info,
I'll let the list know.
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com
Sam, 12-yr-old Akita, diagnosed (pituitary) 3/98
on 750 mg Lysodren weekly
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:55:09 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-07-17 12:11:00 EDT, you write:
<< Many pharmacies will compound your existing pills for you into
smaller
dosages (crushed and evenly divided into capsules). We had Missy's
Lysodren compounded into thirds; 30 capsules cost us ~ >>
You mentioned the above in your letter. Thanks for the information. I'll
check with them today or tomorrow.
Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:39:43 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:
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On Jul 17, 12:55pm, MFCROCKER1@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Re:
> In a message dated 98-07-17 12:11:00 EDT, you write:
>
> << Many pharmacies will compound your existing pills for you
into smaller
> dosages (crushed and evenly divided into capsules). We had Missy's
> Lysodren compounded into thirds; 30 capsules cost us ~ >>
>
> You mentioned the above in your letter. Thanks for the information.
I'll
> check with them today or tomorrow.
>
> Maria
>-- End of excerpt from MFCROCKER1@aol.com
A co-worker's husband is a pharmacist. He says you'll need to find a
"compounding pharmacy", as many pharmacists nowadays are barely
able to count
pills (he being of the old school :-) No slam meant towards pharmacists,
but
the point about "compounding" is worth noting.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"Don't worry, they couldn't hit an
elephant from that dist..."
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:08:19 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Puffin
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In a message dated 98-07-17 12:27:36 EDT, you write:
<<
Puffin has had 3 good nights in a row! She still wakes up for water, but
not as often and the unending panting has subsided. I don't know if it
the fan, less food in the p.m., the Anipryl, cooler weather or a
combination of all. Whatever, she's happier!
>>
Thats great news Sandy. Glad something is improving and Puffin is having
some
better days.
Joan
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:19:00 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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In a message dated 98-07-17 12:00:17 EDT, you write:
<< Can you imagine the size of one for a 100 lb Irish Setter.
>>
Maria,
Thats one big big bed. Glad I have a small doggie!
Joan
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:41:01 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
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In a message dated 7/17/98 10:47:53 AM, you wrote:
>He takes 90 mg.(which is tough to do
>since the pill isn't scored so sometimes he gets less and sometimes
more) and
>he weighs 100#.
Did you know that Anipryl comes in different dosages? Targa's pills are
30 mg
each, so you could give 3, and not have to split any.
Anne and Targa
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:41:47 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
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Subject: Re: Puffin
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Yea for Puffin!!
Anne and Targa
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:22:09 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-07-17 13:43:44 EDT, you write:
<< He says you'll need to find a
"compounding pharmacy", as many pharmacists nowadays are barely
able to count
pills (he being of the old school :-) No slam meant towards pharmacists,
but
the point about "compounding" is worth noting. >>
Thanks for the information. I was thinking about that too. It seems
like the
old way of filling prescriptions has gone and all a pharmacist does is check
what the technician or assistant has done to fill the prescription. They
even
have computers to make out the label. My neighbor is a pharmacist and I
thought I would ask him. If not there is a pharmacy in the next town and
the
owner has been around for quite a while. Maybe he still knows how to do
it.
Thanks again, Maria and Boru
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:29:21 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
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Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi Joan,
After reading Maria and Clea's letter about moving the bed all over the
house
and after I stopped laughing until it hurt, I started to think what it would
be like if I wanted to get one for Boru. It would definitely never be moved.
I'd probably end up sleeping on it.
Maria and Boru
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:48 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-07-17 14:45:30 EDT, you write:
<<
Did you know that Anipryl comes in different dosages? Targa's pills are
30 mg
each, so you could give 3, and not have to split any. >>
Hi Anne,
I looked into that too, but doing it that way made it more expensive.
For
some reason the smaller pills are more expensive. It would cost me
approximately $200 for 30/30mg and 30/15mg. Where I will be paying approx.
$150 for 30 days. If I can get a prescription from my vet, I can get
them
for even less through someone on this list.
Hopefully, I'll be able to find someone who will be able to make the
tablets
into capsules then I won't lose as much. Actually, I was wondering if some
would be lost in the crushing and filling the capsules. Maybe I'll just
stick
to my uneven doses. Sometimes they split perfectly. I am using a pill
splitter so at least they don't break.
Thanks again, Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:48:51 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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In a message dated 98-07-17 15:33:15 EDT, you write:
<< It would definitely never be moved.
I'd probably end up sleeping on it. >>
Maria,
You and me both. I can't imagine lugging this thing all over but ya do what
ya
gotta do for these babies. I'd have to hire a muscle person for this one
cause I'm much to little. I wonder if they ever considered American's
Funniest Videos?
Joan
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:15:38 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Puffin
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Hi Sandy and Puffin,
That's great that Puffin slept for three nights in a row. You both must
feel
wonderful. Congratulations!
Maria and Boru
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:30:27 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: lugging the beds
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The picture you guys create -- lugging the cooler beds all over the
place -- is just too funny. We don't have one (yet) so I just "lug"
Puffin up and down the stairs :)
See you Monday!
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:34:46 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lugging the beds
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In a message dated 98-07-17 16:28:14 EDT, you write:
<< We don't have one (yet) so I just "lug"
Puffin up and down the stairs :) >>
Susan
Personally, I think I'd rather lug my dog than the bed. Course it works
for me
cause Pepper is only 30 lbs. LOL
Joan
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:42:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: My we're a chatty bunch today...
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Must be Friday. ;-)
Happy weekend everyone.
-Leslie
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:45:49 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Puffin
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Sandy and Puffin, wonderful news, hope you also have a good weekend.
Jackie
and Sunny
At 11:30 AM 7/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Puffin has had 3 good nights in a row! She still wakes up for water,
but
>not as often and the unending panting has subsided. I don't know if
it
>the fan, less food in the p.m., the Anipryl, cooler weather or a
>combination of all. Whatever, she's happier!
>
>Hope everyone has a good weekend.
>
>Sandy & Puffin
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:50:09 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
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Subject: Re: My we're a chatty bunch today...
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Happy Weekend to you too, Leslie
Joan
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:41:59 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
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Some of the holistic vets and acupuncturists explain excesses and deficiencies
of major organs by saying that the "chi" and "wei chi"
are out of balance.
For example, the blood is stagnant and might cause a build up of heat in
the
organs associated with that meridian. Maybe Jeri and others more familiar
with the Chinese modalities can explain this better.
Laura
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:20:31 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Canine Cooler
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Anne...
The first time Schonus came near the bed he only laid the side of his
face on a corner. The first time I got him all the way on it...he saw
an air bubble and went the other way! After about a week I finally got
him back on it and when he laid his bare belly on it (still not much
hair regrowth!) he went to sleep so fast! Before I got that bed, he use
to bother me while I was on the computer...use to nudge my arms off the
keyboard....now I've got all the time I want!! He's now laying down on
the bed with no treats!!
Sounds like I should be giving the pep talk to Targa!! *LOL*
Linda
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:22:35 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: "Cushing's e-mail" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Canine Bed Question
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Kathleen....
I do know that the beds are suppose to not puncture from their nails
but
not sure about chewing. If you don't get a response here....I have
their e-mail address or phone number if you would like it?
Linda
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:29:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: "Cushing's e-mail" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Canine Cooler Bed
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Tom, Maria, Clea and family...
Yep, that was me that got 3 of the beds! During the first week I was
dragging one of them around everyplace that Schonus would lay!! I've
got kind of a big guy and when he stretches out on the beds, I finally
ended up putting all three together!
It's a great bicep work out!!
Linda
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:37:03 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: "Cushing's e-mail" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Canine Cooler Bed
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Anne.....
I laughed so hard when I read about Targa finally sleeping on the bed.
Here's what to expect next.....when it's time to eat....Schonus just
gives me "the eyes" like "bring it to me" and literally
does not get off
the bed!! It's hysterical!!
Linda
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:37:43 EDT
From: LCady@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Maria and Boru --
Maggie has pituitary Cushing's and, as I mentioned, is on 500 mg of Lysodren
two times per week. Because her digestive system is pretty delicate, we
tried
her first on Anipryl for about six months, but there were no changes in
her
blood work, so we decided to try the Lysodren. She's been on Lysodren for
about two months, and initially there was a drop in her ACTH. I'm going
to
have her tested when my current supply is out, in about two weeks and we'll
see where we stand then. Clinically, I'm just not sure. She still pants
considerably, but I think that's also a sign of pain and she's pretty
arthritic in her back legs. She was on Rimadyl but, when I saw all the
bad
things that people were saying about how it affects the liver, I got scared.
I did get her liver enzymes tested and she was fine with that. The pain
involved in her arthritis really seemed to bother her and, frankly, I made
a
call on the Rimadyl which I hope will be in her best interests. Frankly,
she's 12-1/2 now and has lived the longest, although not by much yet, of
my
other Irish Setters which only lived to 11. While I can't bear the thought
of
not having her gray old face nuzzling up my arm at any time of the night,
I
want to make her remaining time (however long) as pain-free as possible.
To
that end, I've begun her again on the Rimadyl and hope she's one of the
dogs
who does not react badly to it. She was okay before, and since I've restarted
it, has really improved in her movement. She'll never be a puppy again,
but I
see traces of one from time to time and it makes me very happy. Another
thing
she's become a little odd on is her food. She gets canned and dry mixed
together and has always liked lots of different flavors of the same canned.
Now, she only likes one flavor and my son and I call it "Maggie's mush".
It
has no meat-like texture which appeals to us visually, but maybe the mushy
aspect feels better at this point. Of course, there is only one chain of
grocery stores which carries that flavor and the closest one is about seven
miles away! I live in Atlanta where there groceries all over the place,
but
my Maggie must be kept happy! Good luck with Boru and let me know how y'all
are doing. We Setter people need to stick together!
Lois and Maggie
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:42:52 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Canine Cooler Bed
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In a message dated 7/17/98 6:40:08 PM, you wrote:
>I laughed so hard when I read about Targa finally sleeping on the
bed.
>Here's what to expect next.....when it's time to eat....Schonus just
>gives me "the eyes" like "bring it to me" and literally
does not get off
>the bed!! It's hysterical!!
I'll look forward to it!!
Anne and Targa ( Hey-this thing IS cool!!!)
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:13:12 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Easing symptoms
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In a message dated 98-07-17 17:44:28 EDT, you write:
<< Some of the holistic vets and acupuncturists explain excesses
and
deficiencies
of major organs by saying that the "chi" and "wei chi"
are out of balance.
For example, the blood is stagnant and might cause a build up of heat in
the
organs associated with that meridian. Maybe Jeri and others more familiar
with the Chinese modalities can explain this bet >>
Now I understand why Kayla's acupuncturist/holistic vet said that Boru's
panting is a blood thing.
Thanks, Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:30:06 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi Lois,
Sounds like typical IS with the sensitive digestive system. Maggie has
lived
a long life. The longest any of mine have lived is 13. I hope Boru lives
that long. A few weeks ago I wasn't sure he would make it through the night.
I think Anipryl will work but it will take time. I know that the homeopathic
remedies will make a difference. He is already acting better and I know
it
isn't the Anipryl because it is too soon for it to work.
Don't give up on Maggie. She is still enjoying her life. What's 7 miles
to
get something special for someone you love. Isn't Lisodren for adrenal
Cushings? I'm confused about what medication treats what. Please check,
if
I'm right Maggie is on the wrong medication and that isn't helping her.
Love and Prayers, Maria, Boru and Kayla
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:34:41 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
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Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi Joan,
Sounds good to me. A muscle man would be the only way I could move a
bed for
Boru.
Maria
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:44:52 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
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Glimpact@aol.com wrote:
> Some of the holistic vets and acupuncturists explain excesses and deficiencies
> of major organs by saying that the "chi" and "wei chi"
are out of balance.
> For example, the blood is stagnant and might cause a build up of heat
in the
> organs associated with that meridian. Maybe Jeri and others more familiar
> with the Chinese modalities can explain this better.
I've been unable to keep up with all the mail on the list lately, so
I'm
not sure if this was part of a thread...so I'll respond in a more
general way, (related to Cushings, though), since I missed any other
references to this....
Here is something taken from the 'net--those interested might want to
take a look at http://www.acupuncture.com
According to Michael Tierra L.ac, O.M.D.,
Cushing's syndrome is a condition which can be described
as `deficient kidney yang.'
According to Michael Tierra:
The fundamental principle of health and healing in TCM is the concept of
balance. In
TCM, balance is expressed in broad strokes of hot-cold, dry-wet,
strong-weak,
excess-deficient, chronic-acute, etc.
As to the kidney, for instance, the TCM KIDNEY INVOLVES ALL
PHYSIOLOGICAL
FUNCTIONS THAT INCLUDE THE KIDNEY-URINARY SYSTEM PLUS THE ENDOCRINE
SYSTEMS AND ESPECIALLY THE ADRENAL GLANDS.
TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) Kidney Yin and Kidney Yang involves
the regulation of electrolyte balance of sodium and potassium, necessary
for the circulation of bioelectrical energy throughout the body.
Further,
the TCM concept of kidney yin very prominently involves the
secretion of glucocorticoid hormone, cortisol, from the adrenal cortex.
Kidney yang in addition to involving adrenaline
secretions of the adrenal medula, also involve other endocrine functions
including the
pituitary and thyroid glands. What TCM
offers is a more holistic view of the dynamic interplay of complex
physiological
phenomena. This is especially useful for clinical
practice. What it does not offer are specific physiological processes
which are the well
earned domain of Western scientific
medicine. Given the difference between the two in point of view, it
seems that learning to
view health and disease from both
perspectives will ultimately offer a broader, more comprehensive
approach to health care
in the future.
Jeri
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:33:11 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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Hi Maria. C.B. has pituitary cushings. She also has alot of other things
wrong with her and the vet said it would be hard to get her Cushings under
good control with all the other meds she is on. I'll let you know how it
goes. Good luck to you. Linda & C.B.
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:44:23 EDT
From: LCady@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Maria --
I get real confused sometimes on adrenal/pituitary cushings -- Maggie
does not
have a tumor, so that's the type of cushings she's got. If I gave the
impression I am anywhere NEAR giving up on her, that was a major mistake!
I
can't think of anything I won't do for her -- she deserves special treatment
(all pets do).
Lois
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:04:50 +1000 (EST)
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi All,
To be a little silly (weeeell - with all the hype it needs it) perhaps Milk
Thistle will replace Viagra for some of the chaps who need to get back a
little zing into their lives.
Janet
Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
janetb@ozemail.com.au
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:08:07 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Cushings Pet
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Hi Lois,
Sorry, I think what I said sounded wrong. What I meant was that it's
hard
seeing them showing signs of aging and having Cushings makes it even tougher.
I know what you mean about doing everything you can and not giving up. I
feel
the same way.
Maria
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:32:12 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
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I believe that all Cushings is caused by a tumor, either on the adrenal
gland or the pituitary gland. Lysodren can be used to treat either
kind, but Anipryl is only effective on pituitary Cushings. The two
medications work in very differnet ways. Lysodren works by selectively
killing part of the adrenal gland so that it does not produce as much
cortisone. Anipryl works by increasing dopamine levels which in turn
can decrease ACTH secretions from the pituitary gland. Decreased ACTH
means decreased cortisone because the ACTH produced by the pituitary
gland is what tells the adrenal gland how much cortisone to produce.
So, if the Cushings is caused by an adrenal gland tumor, then Anipryl
will have no effect on cortisone output. That is why it is important to
know the cause of the Cushings: adrenal tumor or pituitary tumor.
-- Liza and Boomer
P.S. If this has resulted in further confusion for anyone, let me know
and I can point you to the articles in which I found the information.
LCady@aol.com wrote:
>
> Maria --
>
> I get real confused sometimes on adrenal/pituitary cushings -- Maggie
does not
> have a tumor, so that's the type of cushings she's got. If I gave
the
> impression I am anywhere NEAR giving up on her, that was a major mistake!
I
> can't think of anything I won't do for her -- she deserves special
treatment
> (all pets do).
>
> Lois
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:43:43 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
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In a message dated 98-07-18 20:32:47 EDT, you write:
<< . Lysodren can be used to treat either
kind, but Anipryl is only effective on pituitary Cushings. >>
Hi Liza and Boomer,
That's interesting. I was under the impression that Anipryl was for
pituitary
and Lysodren for adrenal Cushings. Someone even told me that if Lysodren
was
used for a dog with pituitary Cushings it could make them sick. I think
the
person who told me called the manufacturer of Anipryl and that's what she
was
told. I know that my vet did say he wouldn't use Lysodren unless we knew
which Cushings Boru had but the Anipryl was safe to use even if it wasn't
pituitary Cushings. If it doesn't work, we might have him tested to see
if
it is adrenal Cushings and then treat it differently. After his ACTH test
he
developed an upper respiratory infection and it took him 2 weeks to start
to
feel better, that's when we decided to move slowly as far as testing. If
he
had such a hard time with a 4 hour test, who knows how he would be for an
8
hour test.
Maria and Boru
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:48:35 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
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Lisa,
You explained is much better than I could. I know the difference but find
it
very difficult to explain so anyone can understand me.
Thanks
Joan
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:20:43 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
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Well, if Lysodren can make dogs with pituitary Cushings sick, then
someone forgot to tell Boomer! He has pituitary Cushings, but my vet
opted to treat with Lysodren because Boomer's case was pretty advanced.
He did not feel that Anipryl would be as effective in this case. Except
for one epsiode during the loading phase, Boomer seems to feel fine!
And most of the symptoms have gone away and he is starting to grow hair
again after 10 weeks of treatment!
It's interesting all the different things you hear. But remember,
until a year or two ago (not sure exactly when), Anipryl was unheard of
as a treatment for Cushings. And I'm sure the manufacturers of Anipryl
would love for it to become "THE" medication of choice, but I
don't see
that happening because Anipryl will NOT work if your dog has adrenal
Cushings, whereas Lysodren will work in either case.
You also hear about how bad the side effects of Lysodren are. True,
there can be some pretty severe side effects if not closely monitored,
but that is where the owner must play a significant role in the
treatment by observing their dog's behavior and learning to recognize
the warning signs of when too much medication is given. And even then,
a little bit of Prednisone can be given to the dog to get them through
the crisis.
I have been fortunate with Boomer in that since beginning the
maintenance phase we have had no problems, but I don't think we have
reached the proper dosage yet either. But we are taking it slow and
increasing the dosage little by little until we get there.
Hopefully Anipryl will work for you. If not, do not be afraid to try
Lysodren. I was apprehensive at first, but have reached a level of
"comfortable awareness", if that makes sense.
Also, the next time you have an ACTH Stim test done, they can also do
an ACTH level test to differentiate between the types of Cushings. Or,
as we had to do in Boomer's case, an ultrasound can be done to look at
the adrenal glands. If both of them are enlarged, then it is pituitary
Cushings. If one is enlarged and the other is very small (or atrophied)
then it is adrenal Cushings. But do what you are comfortable with and
what you and your vet feel is best for your furbaby. After all, the two
of you know your dog better than anyone else and you have to use your
best judgement.
-- Liza and Boomer(I have peach fuzz on my butt! Now Mom is calling me
Fuzz Butt!)
MFCROCKER1@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-18 20:32:47 EDT, you write:
>
> << . Lysodren can be used to treat either
> kind, but Anipryl is only effective on pituitary Cushings. >>
>
> Hi Liza and Boomer,
>
> That's interesting. I was under the impression that Anipryl was for
pituitary
> and Lysodren for adrenal Cushings. Someone even told me that if Lysodren
was
> used for a dog with pituitary Cushings it could make them sick. I
think the
> person who told me called the manufacturer of Anipryl and that's what
she was
> told. I know that my vet did say he wouldn't use Lysodren unless we
knew
> which Cushings Boru had but the Anipryl was safe to use even if it
wasn't
> pituitary Cushings. If it doesn't work, we might have him tested
to see if
> it is adrenal Cushings and then treat it differently. After his ACTH
test he
> developed an upper respiratory infection and it took him 2 weeks to
start to
> feel better, that's when we decided to move slowly as far as testing.
If he
> had such a hard time with a 4 hour test, who knows how he would be
for an 8
> hour test.
>
> Maria and Boru
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:52:44 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
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In NZ there is only one treatment available for Cushings disease and
that is
Lysodren. The extensive tests to determine whether the tumour is Adrenal
or
Pituitary are not done as there is no point - Lysodren is used for both.
Certainly in our Kelly's case, we did not have some of the horrific side
effects
that we have read about - though admittedly at the same time he began the
loading dose (2nd March) he was also attacked by a Staffie/PitBull and spent
8
of the next 14 days in the vet's care so we are not really sure how bad
they
were! But since mid April he has been on 250mg. 3 times a week, also 100mg
Eltroxin daily for his hyperthroidism and now White Thistle for his liver
condition. And he is just wonderful. Occasionally we get a bit of weakness
in his back legs but nothing to really worry us.
Ann, John & Kelly Cooper (+ feline support crew Oscar and Monty)
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:03:57 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
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Hi Liza and Boomer,
Thanks for the information. I figured the company that makes Anipryl
might
say that Lysodren could be a problem so I just took it as information to
check
into. It sounds like Lysodren actually shrinks the tumors whether they
are in
the pituitary or the adrenal glands. I was thinking that if the Anipryl
doesn't work, I would ask the vet to do the untrasound. From what everyone
has said, that is the most conclusive way to determine which glands are
involved. It also sounds like the Anipryl just makes the glands work properly
but does not control the growth of the tumor. I guess having Boru comfortable
is all I can ask for right now.
Thanks again, Maria and Boru
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:41:50 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Natural flea control
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Catalog for herbal collars, powders, shampoos, coat sprays and house
and
garden products - Natural Animal - 1-800-274-7387.
Dr. Goodpet Flea Relief - I bought mine in a human health food store
-
"homeopathic medicine for dogs and cats - effectively discourages fleas.
Aids
in healing and helps relieve itching, scratching and biting caused by fleas,
ticks, mites and lice. No side effects". 1-800-222-9932 for a catalog
or
phone number of a distributor near your location.
Nematodes - microscopic worms that eat outdoor fleas - Farnam in AZ
1-800-267-5211, Better Pest Management in CA 1-888-589-6531. If you live
in
Silicon Valley, the Sunnyvale Nursery sells them.
Laura
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:09:31 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: "Cushing's e-mail" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Canine Cooler Beds
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Linda & CB.....
I also have the orthopedic beds for Schonus as well because he does have
hip dysplagia and sometimes it's so bad we have to help him up. When I
notice that his hips are bothering him or it's cooled down weather wise
(HA! - no chance!)I put a sheet or blanket on the bed. I stood
deliberately watching him get up after sleeping on the bed for quite a
few hours and he was able to get up on his own and walk perfectly! They
also sell heaters for the beds.
Linda
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:14:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: "Cushing's e-mail" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Cooler Bed
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Maria....
Pre Cushing's Schonus weighed 102 pounds. He's now down to around 95
pounds and he fits nicely on two of the beds. He's a Lab/Ret mix.
Trust me...when he lays down on the bed...he stretches himself way out
and lays on his side.
Linda
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:39:53 -0700
From: Kim Osborn <jkosborn@napanet.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: new to list
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Hi,
My name is Kim Osborn. I live in Benicia, Ca with my Aussies and
Shelties, cats and rabbits. Last Thursday my oldest sheltie, Tristan, was
diagnosed with Cushing's. Tristan is 12 years old. It was just a month
ago that I lost his litterbrother, Jesse, to acute kidney failure and now
my vet tells me that Tris could go at anytime. A couple of weeks ago Tris
started having respiratory problems. My vet took x-rays of his lungs
because he suspected lung problems(he has had bronchitis often). But his
lungs looked better than ever. However my vet was concerned with the looks
of his heart and sent the x-rays to an expert. It was not what my vet
suspected. The expert asked if he had been tested for Cushing's. Well
he
hadn't because he does not have (what I think of as) the symptoms of a
Cushing's dog. His coat is thick and beautiful and his skin is fine. He
is
overweight but not potbellied. The worst of Tristan's symptoms is that
he
threw a blood clot which is what caused the respiratory problems and some
heart enlargement and his vet is very concerned that he will throw another
and it could kill him instantly next time. So he wants to get the disease
under control right away. This week I am to monitor and measure his
drinking and eating. Next Saturday he starts on Lysodren. I am so glad
I
found this list and the Cushing's web page. I don't know much about
Cushing's yet but plan to learn as much as possible.
Kim Osborn
Benicia, Ca
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:09:20 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
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Hi Kim
Welcome and believe me, we all know how you feel as we all have the same
problems here. I, too, have a sheltie and he will be 12 in August. He was
diagnosed only a couple of months ago and has the pituitary cushings. Like
yours, he really had no specific symptoms at the time I took him except
he had
started to drink alot for several days and I was concerned. He does have
a
rounded belly but we never suspected cushings or anything else. He has
an
enlarged heart which doesn't help. He is currently on Anipryl and seems
to be
better. Alot of the things I should have attributed to cushings I just
assumed was old age creeping in. Lazyiness, overweight, etc. I should have
been more aware. He is more like a puppy again and I know I can't prolong
his
life but I do what the best quality of life for him. He has a long long
black
coat that is absolutely goregous so no he doesn't fit the symptoms but he
is
definately a cushings dog. Please join in and we will all help you get
through this.
Joan
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:22:26 EDT
From: MFCROCKER1@aol.com
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Hi Linda,
That sounds great that Schonus is so comfortable on his cooler bed.
Did he
get used to it right away? Do the beds come in one size and you bought
two of
them for him? Right now Boru seems to okay with the A/C running all day.
Just for future reference how large an area does Schonus' cooler bed take?
Thanks, Maria
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:50:09 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
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In a message dated 7/19/1998 2:21:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gatorpoo@mediaone.net writes:
<< Well, if Lysodren can make dogs with pituitary Cushings sick,
then
someone forgot to tell Boomer! >>
Jessie's another one that has done fabulously on Lysodren. The only
"side effects" were a perkier dog that obviously felt better than
she had
in a long time.
She goes next week for blood tests that I expect to confirm what I
can tell by her behavior -- that she's doing well, and we are medicating
correctly.
Jackie
and Jessie -- 12-year-old standard poodle, diagnosed Dec. '97
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:26:22 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: CUSHINGS-PETS digest 41 - Milk Thistle in Particular
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Fair go, Jan,
Don't come the raw prawn - I thought crocodile
Dundee invented Viagra. Problem with Milk Thistle is, there's more bloody
thistle than there is milk, and what's a joker going to put in his tea,
eh?!
From a Kiwi, Mate.
-----Original Message-----
From: JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 5:05 PM
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>Hi All,
>To be a little silly (weeeell - with all the hype it needs it) perhaps
Milk
>Thistle will replace Viagra for some of the chaps who need to get back
a
>little zing into their lives.
>
>Janet
>Janet Bullard - Belfield (Sydney) NSW Australia
>janetb@ozemail.com.au
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:14:42 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Natural dog food
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I just bought California Natural dog food for my seven year old cocker
Honey.
They have a "Natural lamb and rice food for sensitive dogs", a
"Puppy food for
sensitive puppies", and a "Reduced calorie for less active, overweight
and
older dogs".
Apparently, many pet allergies are due to sensitivities to things such
as beef
and beef by-products, gluten, corn and corn oil, fish and fish oils, brewer's
yeast, pork, milk, yeast, wheat and eggs. Many dog foods in the supermarkets
contain these. Also, many of the supermarket foods are preserved with BHA,
BHT or ethoxyquin, supposed cancer-inducing materials.
California Natural uses lamb meat, rice, B vitamins, minerals and sunflower
oil. "Sunflower oil is a very high quality polyunsaturated oil that
provides
extremely high levels of an essential fatty acid called linoleic acid.
It is
the abundance of linoleic acid that helps promote healthy skin and a shiny
coat".
They also offer a canned food that includes flax seed oil.
Their phone number is 800-532-7261 and their web site is: www.naturapet.com
Laura